Why wasn’t Avocado a bigger success?

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  • teddysgirl
    teddysgirl Posts: 97
    JimNastics wrote:
    I don't know if any other European PJ fans feel like this, but for me the Avocado period signalled Pearl Jam's return to to our lives after a 6 year hiatus... it was like a long lost best friend returning from the wilderness. I was a massive fan in the 90's, but drifted elsewhere in the early 00's. Riot Act was decent but still the band felt distant to me. Of course I started getting excited with as news of a new album and possible tours started, and the trigger for me was when the London Astoria gig was announced, embarrassingly I remember getting a bit emotional when I managed to get a pair of tickets. From then on it was just incredible, 2006 was one of the greatest years of my life, and Pearl Jam provided the soundtrack. The euphoria pretty much lasted up until the Wembley 07 gig.

    For Americans I guess it was just another Pearl Jam album and tour. For us Europeans, it meant more than you can possibly imagine.

    I shared some of those feelings too...though possibly even more embarrassingly i got all emotional when i saw them on Jools Holland! I didn't manage to see them live then but i'm really hoping to this year...already got my tickets so...
  • Plankton
    Plankton Posts: 692
    se7v7en wrote:
    my friend bought avacodo bc it was featured half price at tower records or something and after listening a few times went out and bought their entire catalogue

    Got to respect that.


    As to the rest of the topic though, you only have to take a scan of most of this board's threads to see mixed opinions on Binaural, Riot Act and Pearl Jam. Ten-Yield are generally praised by everyone.

    The truth is, the change in opinion happens for many different personal reasons. How long can a band sustain a trend like that?

    Or maybe a better question is how long can you sustain it? It get's to the point where current turns to nostalgia. Now that's not to say that the new albums are necessarily as good but suffer because fans don't 'remember' them, but it's certainly hard for a fan to put them in with all that Pearl Jam related love and feeling that's built up over almost ten years.

    As for new fans, or looking at their music from a removed perspective, well, they're not going to be massive because they are not new. I don't mean that in an offensive way, I'm not saying they've lost their creativity, but because they are not of the times they won't see mainstream success. They're always going to be a new version of the old band. Again, I don't mean that offensively, just that they don't have that 'sound' of the current generation of popular music.

    There are exceptional examples you could make (Green Day, U2) but I think that's how it goes for the most part.

    It's just different now.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    ledvedderman wrote:
    NuclearTreeFrog wrote:
    I think Marker in the Sand was the obvious choice for a first single.

    I agree with this. The chorus is amazingly catchy.

    I couldn't disagree more. Sure it's chorus is kinda catchy, but those verses are so awkward and clunky radio wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole. People would be changing the channel so fast the dials would spin. Army Reserve and Severed Han are both better singles for the chief reason that they have a nice groove going that you can bob your head or slap the steering wheel in time with... and that's what counts in radio. Strange time signatures will never be on rock radio, period.
  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,631
    Comatose would have freaked everyone out. They should have went with that.
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  • PearlJamPatriot
    PearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    soulsinging wrote:
    PearlJamPatriot wrote:
    LM132938 wrote:
    It is actually quite funny to see how different people's reaction to Avocado is.

    Me personally I liked the Album. Was it their best? No, it wasn't. But neither were Binaural or Riot Act but again everyone has a different opinion of which album is better than the other.
    I believe that recording with Brendon O'Brien for the 1st time in years is a great sign.
    I'm sure in a couple of years after this new record is released, we will all be on this site arguing if it was a great album or not.
    Oh, there is no doubt about that!

    I hope not. There is no argument about Ten-Yield. Everyone digs those albums. It's only the last 3 that have engendered such divided opinions. I'd love it if they could come up with an album that can stand alongside those first five.
    Trust me. I hope not too.
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  • Snoopy Died For Our Sins
    Snoopy Died For Our Sins Posts: 2,608
    pc_loadletter wrote:
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    it didnt do well because you basicaly answered your own question.

    kids like my chemical romance,rihana, and garbage....not pearl jam. in order nowadays for a band to top the charts it has to be popular to the teenager crowd, so MTV can bullshit it some more.

    not really. the foo fighters make great music and their sales are always over a million in the usa. pearl jam just dug themselves into such a hole in the mid 90s that its going to take them a long time to get out of it.... thats if their willing.

    but avocado was a moderate success. over 600,000 in the usa sold and over 1.5 million worldwide.

    Sorry, but the Foo Fighters' music is lowest common denominator music...not cut from the same cloth by any means....
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  • Snoopy Died For Our Sins
    Snoopy Died For Our Sins Posts: 2,608
    Vedd Hedd wrote:
    Comatose would have freaked everyone out. They should have went with that.

    +1
    "No way to save someone who won't take the rope,and just lets go..."

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