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nailz100nailz100 Posts: 1,176
edited January 2005 in Musicians and Gearheads
MIG or anyone else. Keep your eyes open for a new/ used 2 X 12 cabinet for me to buy on E-bay, if you wouldn't mind. or even a 1 X 12 cab if it kicks some major a**!. Has to be rated at either 8 or 16 ohms. Thanks guys
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  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    A Theile-design Mesa cab would work nicely as a 1x12".
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • nailz100nailz100 Posts: 1,176
    Cool, let me know if you see any 1 X 12's or 2 X 12's on E-bay..
    Only with our eyes closed can we truly see
  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    There are a shit-ton.

    That is a technical term, for those who were wondering.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43374&item=3777791935&rd=1

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43374&item=3778163981&rd=1

    There are a lot of 1/2-back and 3/4-back 1x12" cabs, too... didn't see any Theile cabs, but there were a bunch last week. Keep watching. Might be harder to find something in Canada...

    I still put a good word in for the Peavey 1x12" cabs with the closed-back and the Sheffield speaker.
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • MissYouAllDayMissYouAllDay Posts: 939
    Does the ohms that a speaker is set too affect sound quality?
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  • nailz100nailz100 Posts: 1,176
    No, but the Head I am getting only has 8 ohm and 16 ohm jacks for a single cabinet.
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  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    MissYouAllDay wrote:
    Does the ohms that a speaker is set too affect sound quality?

    No, it affects the electrical efficiency of the system. If you match the resistance (measured in ohms) of the amp AND cabinet, you have ideal efficiency. If the cab has more resistance than the amp (higher ohms) then the amp will have to work harder, but will be okay (unless you are really cranking it up). If the speaker cab is lower resistance than the amp, then it's like putting water in a bucket with a buncha holes... the amp can't keep up with what the cabinet is drawing, and *poof!* black smoke... RIP, Mr. Amp.

    Some folks out there will tell you there is a minimal tonal difference between the same speakers of different ohmages... but it's hardly worth thinking about. Negligable. I've heard that some Celestions are made differently, like the 8-ohm versions are made in Britain, but the 16-ohm versions are made in Asia, but I'm not really clear on that... those might make a difference in tone, though.
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  • nailz100nailz100 Posts: 1,176
    an 8 ohm, 2 X 12 cabinet would be ideal for me....I'm trying to stay away from Marshalls and am looking into my other options.
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  • exhaustedexhausted Posts: 6,638
    nailz100 wrote:
    an 8 ohm, 2 X 12 cabinet would be ideal for me....I'm trying to stay away from Marshalls and am looking into my other options.

    it might even be worth looking at traynors new stuff. their amps are tanks so i'd imagine the cabinets are pretty good too. speaker upgrades can always be made.

    it might be more cost-effective.
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
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  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    You'll have to look fast and decide...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10171&item=3776808717&rd=1
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    See also:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10171&item=3776970997&rd=1

    Remember, you fucking asked for this...
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    I know you don't like 'em, but this cab is my favorite design for a 2x12"...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38075&item=3777484406&rd=1
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • nailz100nailz100 Posts: 1,176
    Believe me... I KNOW I did. But I want to be as selective with the cab as a was with the head and my guitar. As long as you guys don't mind sending me these...I don't mind looking. I might take me a month to find exactly what I'm looking for, but so be it.
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  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    Feeling overloaded yet?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10171&item=3777597504&rd=1
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    Find a couple speakers, and this is a great cab to put 'em in:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10171&item=3778288282&rd=1
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • nailz100nailz100 Posts: 1,176
    Here, I'll make it even easier on you guys....the removeable back panel definately something I am interested in. I haven't decided on which kind of speaker yet though....black shadow, vintage 30, greenback, eminence...no Idea. It would be cool to have the option of an open or a closed back though.
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  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    Basson is making a name for themselves... I'm not an Eminence fan, but...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43374&item=3778199692&rd=1
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    nailz100 wrote:
    Here, I'll make it even easier on you guys....the removeable back panel definately something I am interested in. I haven't decided on which kind of speaker yet though....black shadow, vintage 30, greenback, eminence...no Idea. It would be cool to have the option of an open or a closed back though.


    you want closed for your sound. more focused, tighter sound. Go with a closed back if you only have one option.
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  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    And, because he won't ship to Canada, I'll post it to piss you off:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10171&item=3778115307&rd=1
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    Out of all of those, I like the Groove Tubes best, followed by the Orange and the Marshall. The GT cab has the removable panel on the back... if you wanted, you could always cut the back of any cab and have it be removable, but you'd probably have to get extra tolex and re-do one of the two pieces. I'm 110% sure you want a closed back cab, but the option is nice to have.
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • nailz100nailz100 Posts: 1,176
    check this out

    http://www.bobsavage.net

    go to the link and scroll down the amplifier demo's until you can see the sample of the music clips with the Shiva head and five different speaker types....the sound difference between cabs is unbelievably noticable. I gotta say from these that I like the greenback sound the best....you?
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    nailz100 wrote:
    check this out

    http://www.bobsavage.net

    go to the link and scroll down the amplifier demo's until you can see the sample of the music clips with the Shiva head and five different speaker types....the sound difference between cabs is unbelievably noticable. I gotta say from these that I like the greenback sound the best....you?


    probably the first speaker I fell in love with.
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  • nailz100nailz100 Posts: 1,176
    MIG, you think the black shadow sounds better than the greenback though? Paco, which speaker do you like the best? Which do you think would be best suited for the sound I want?...I am leaning towards the greenbacks right now...having only heard a few.
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  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    nailz100 wrote:
    the sound difference between cabs is unbelievably noticable. I gotta say from these that I like the greenback sound the best....you?


    Greenbacks are a very low-wattage speaker, and tend to distort easily (called "break-up" in speaker terms). A lot of people really like it when the speaker starts flubbing a little, gives a fuzzy, round edge to the distortion. They're built like a tank, so you don't really have to worry about damaging them, but they won't last as long as a higher-wattage speaker if you're pushing it all the time. Still, they've got at least 8-10 years worth of playing the ever-loving crap out of 'em.

    I personally prefer to get power-amp overdrive, so I need a good, clean, high-wattage speaker to give me the clearest version of what the power tubes are putting out. Other people prefer preamp overdrive/distortion, and who knows what kind of speakers are right for them.

    It all comes down to preference... the next step up in wattage from a Greenback is a Vintage 30, which still exhibits some break-up, but will be cleaner than a Greenback. If you really like a Greenback, then Mesa probably isn't your flavor... they have really high-wattage speakers (70-100 watts apiece) that are really clean and clear.

    Weber has a lot of great speakers, and their site is fun to surf through (if you wanna learn about speakers)...

    http://www.webervst.com
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • exhaustedexhausted Posts: 6,638
    i want the flubbing if i go with a pro jr.
  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Posts: 6,395
    exhausted wrote:
    i want the flubbing if i go with a pro jr.


    Ta da!

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  • nailz100nailz100 Posts: 1,176
    Those Greenbacks are probably going to distort a bit on the clean tones as well eh? I don't know if thats something I want, but I kinda like the distorted sound.
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  • All Those YesterdaysAll Those Yesterdays Posts: 2,723
    mccreadyisgod wrote:
    There are a shit-ton.

    That is a technical term, for those who were wondering.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43374&item=3777791935&rd=1

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43374&item=3778163981&rd=1

    There are a lot of 1/2-back and 3/4-back 1x12" cabs, too... didn't see any Theile cabs, but there were a bunch last week. Keep watching. Might be harder to find something in Canada...

    I still put a good word in for the Peavey 1x12" cabs with the closed-back and the Sheffield speaker.

    Carvin 2-12 extension cabinet??? I've been playign thru a bel-air for about 5 years now. I've had a board problem when a tube shorted out, but the cabinet is nice.
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  • exhaustedexhausted Posts: 6,638
    https://weberspeakerscom.secure.powweb.com/weber/10a100.htm

    ??
  • nailz100nailz100 Posts: 1,176
    How bout that empty cab with (1) greenback in it and (1) vintage 30?...could be cool sounding. or is it too hard to run different speakers in the same cab?
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