Climate Change Drop off

Halifax2TheMax

shadowcast said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

If you’re from the biblical school of thought, there is no climate crisis because man is a product of god and god made the natural environment. As such, man is natural and part of the natural environment, all made by god. Man’s impact on the environment is preordained and god given and endorsed. Going against it is going against God’s will and will result in you going to hell. So, don’t worry about it because god wants this for us.

I am not God fearing...You need to fear Ice ages (they really suck because you can't grow anything)  and the Poles shifting (Its over for everyone) . Earth is gonna earth....

So, you’re a climate change denier? Don’t believe CO2 raises temperatures and man’s increased production of same doesn’t impact the climate?

Halifax2TheMax

shadowcast said:

Poncier said:

We're listening to the dude who draws Dilbert about climate change?
That should tell you all you need to know.

Most of you live in such a bubble. You hear no outside voice on any matter. You think you're always right and are very snotty about it. You sit in your ivory towers and want to make life miserable for everyone becasue you're miserable. Climate Change is/was a money grab and you all got had..Remember all the horror stories good ole Al Gore told that didn't come true? Remember this one? They tried in in 1978 and it didn't work. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kGB5MMIAVA

Maybe you can explain the polar ice cap and worldwide glacial retreat and provide the reason for it and the corresponding sea level rise. While you’re at it, explain the causes of the extreme ocean temperature and current flow fluctuations and their impacts. Just earth gonna earth?

josevolution

So there is no climate change concern it has all been a hoax? Who duped me 😝

Lerxst1992

shadowcast said:

PJ_Soul said:

shadowcast said:

PJ_Soul said:

Who says concern about climate change has vanished?? Not in any world I'm living in, especially with the wildfire danger and destruction increasing constantly, and obvious climate change that is starting decimate local/regional ecosystems. And let's ask Indians how they feel about it, and millions and millions of them are suddenly being displaced by horrific flooding every year, while others there and across the middle east suffer from heatwaves that are making their cities literally uninhabitable. I don't think their "hysteria" has disappeared either. 

Middle East? They live in a Desert for Christ sake. Was there no flooding and no changes in weather throughout  earths history? I think a lot of you have been duped. 

Is that supposed to be funny or what? I assume you have heard of heat? It is getting so hot in many populated places in the middle east that they're becoming uninhabitable. And I'm not about to debate the science of human-caused climate change vs natural climate fluctuation through history with you. That you are bringing up historical climate changes as some kind of proof that humans have had no impact on the current climate crisis tells me that debating it with you is a complete waste of our time. 

Humans have very little to do with climate change if any. You're giving yourself too mush credit. You need to worry about the poles shifting. 

This is dedicated to our pal Tim, who “loves” ai generated responses.


They don’t cover science in your school system? There is a specific type of carbon heating the atmosphere that is directly tied to human use of fossil fuels.

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” Scientists can identify the "fingerprint" of fossil fuels in the atmosphere by analyzing the isotopes of carbon. Carbon has three main isotopes: Carbon-12 (^{12}C), Carbon-13 (^{13}C), and Carbon-14 (^{14}C). 

1. The Role of Carbon-14 (^{14}C) ⚛️

Fossil fuels—like coal, oil, and natural gas—are formed from ancient plant and animal matter over millions of years. This process takes so long that any Carbon-14, which is a radioactive isotope with a half-life of about 5,730 years, has completely decayed away. Therefore, when fossil fuels are burned, they release carbon that is entirely devoid of ^{14}C.

 * Evidence: As human activities have increased, the amount of ^{14}C in the atmosphere has decreased relative to the amount of total carbon. This is because the massive influx of fossil-fuel-derived carbon, which contains no ^{14}C, is diluting the natural atmospheric ^{14}C concentration.

2. The Role of Carbon-13 (^{13}C) 🌿

Plants prefer to absorb the lighter isotope, Carbon-12 (^{12}C), during photosynthesis. Since fossil fuels are made from ancient plants, the carbon they contain is "isotopically light," meaning it has a lower ratio of ^{13}C to ^{12}C compared to the carbon found in the atmosphere or the ocean.

 * Evidence: Atmospheric measurements show that the ratio of ^{13}C to ^{12}C has been steadily decreasing since the Industrial Revolution. This is a direct indicator that the added carbon in the atmosphere is coming from a source that is isotopically light, which is consistent with the chemical signature of fossil fuels and not with natural sources like volcanic activity. This phenomenon is known as the Suess Effect.

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” Yes, there's overwhelming scientific evidence that humans are causing climate change. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which represents the global scientific consensus, states that it is "unequivocal that human influence has warmed the atmosphere, ocean, and land." This conclusion is based on multiple lines of evidence, including:

1. The Greenhouse Effect and Rising CO₂ Levels 🌡️

The fundamental mechanism is the greenhouse effect. Certain gases in the atmosphere, known as greenhouse gases (GHGs), trap heat radiating from Earth's surface, preventing it from escaping into space. This process is natural and essential for life, but human activities have drastically increased the concentration of these gases, intensifying the effect and leading to global warming. 

 * Fossil Fuel Combustion: The burning of coal, oil, and gas for energy is the primary source of human-caused CO₂ emissions.

 * Deforestation: Forests act as carbon sinks, absorbing CO₂ from the atmosphere. Widespread deforestation for agriculture and development releases this stored carbon back into the air.

 * Measurement Data: Scientific measurements, particularly from ice cores, show a direct correlation between rising atmospheric CO₂ concentrations and the start of the Industrial Revolution in the 1700s. Current CO₂ levels are higher than at any point in at least the last 800,000 years.

2. Fingerprints of Human Influence 🕵️‍♀️

Scientists can differentiate between natural climate variability and human-caused changes by looking for specific "fingerprints" in the climate system.

 * Warming Pattern: The observed warming pattern is consistent with the effects of increased GHGs. The troposphere (the lowest layer of the atmosphere) is warming, while the stratosphere (the layer above it) is cooling. This is the opposite of what would be expected from natural causes like solar activity, which would warm both layers.

 * Isotopic Signatures: The CO₂ released from burning fossil fuels has a unique isotopic signature that distinguishes it from natural sources. Scientists have detected an increasing amount of this "fossil fuel carbon" in the atmosphere, providing a chemical link to human activities.

3. Climate Models and Attribution Studies 💻

Advanced climate models are used to simulate what Earth's climate would look like with and without human influence.

 * With and Without Human Factors: These models show that natural factors alone, such as volcanic activity and solar variations, cannot explain the rapid warming observed since the mid-20th century. However, when human factors—like GHG emissions—are included, the models accurately replicate the observed warming trend.

 * Extreme Event Attribution: A growing field of science, known as attribution science, uses these models to determine whether and to what extent human-caused climate change made specific extreme weather events, like heatwaves or heavy rainfall, more likely or more intense.

Halifax2TheMax

No worries, no impact. Earth is gonna earth.

Google’s huge new Essex datacentre to emit 570,000 tonnes of CO2 a year

Exclusive: Planning documents show impact of Thurrock ‘hyperscale’ unit as UK attempts to ramp up AI capacity

A new Google datacentre in Essex is expected to emit more than half a million tonnes of carbon dioxide a year, equivalent to about 500 short-haul flights a week, planning documents show.

Spread across 52 hectares (128 acres), the Thurrock “hyperscale datacentre” will be part of a wave of mammoth computer and AI power houses if it secures planning consent.

The plans were submitted by a subsidiary of Google’s parent company, Alphabet, and the carbon impact emerged before a concerted push by Donald Trump’s White House and Downing Street to ramp up AI capacity in Britain. Multibillion-dollar investment deals with some of Silicon Valley’s biggest tech companies are expected to be announced during the US president’s state visit to the UK, which starts on Tuesday.

Keir Starmer’s government has forecast a 13-fold rise in the amount of computer processing power AI will use by 2035 and is scrambling to supply the datacentres to meet that demand in the hope the technology will boost Britain’s insipid economic productivity. Deals involving Nvidia, the world’s largest AI chip maker, and OpenAI, the company behind the ChatGPT AI assistant, are anticipated.

But campaigners have said a wave of massive new computer warehouses will crank up Britain’s greenhouse gas emissions and put pressure on finite power and water resources.

If allowed, the Thurrock complex will include up to four datacentres on “grey belt” land part-occupied by a former speedway and stock car track. It “will lead to a net increase in GHG [greenhouse gas] emissions of 568,727 tonnes CO₂е [carbon dioxide equivalent] per year during the operational phase”, planning documents examined by the Guardian show.

That amounts to about 500 flights from Heathrow to Málaga every week, according to the UN’s International Civil Aviation Organization’s carbon calculator. Google’s planning application stresses this remains a “minor adverse and not significant impact when compared to the UK carbon budgets”, but campaigners disagree.

“Google’s planned facility in Essex will produce carbon emissions several times higher than those of an international airport,” said a spokesperson for Foxglove, a campaign group for fairer technology. “But this is just one of many ‘hyperscale’ datacentres that US big tech wants to impose on the UK – in pursuit of their own profits and regardless of the cost to our environment.

“Starmer’s government needs to stop bowing to the Trump-big tech agenda and start standing up for the interests of the UK public – otherwise we will all be paying for the tech giants’ datacentres, whether in terms of soaring energy bills, dwindling water supplies or a heating planet.”

Datacentres now consume about 2.5% of the UK’s electricity, and demand on the grid is expected to increase fourfold by 2030, according to the House of Commons library.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/sep/15/google-datacentre-kent-co2-thurrock-uk-ai

HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992

Halifax2TheMax said:

No worries, no impact. Earth is gonna earth.

Google’s huge new Essex datacentre to emit 570,000 tonnes of CO2 a year

Exclusive: Planning documents show impact of Thurrock ‘hyperscale’ unit as UK attempts to ramp up AI capacity

A new Google datacentre in Essex is expected to emit more than half a million tonnes of carbon dioxide a year, equivalent to about 500 short-haul flights a week, planning documents show.

Spread across 52 hectares (128 acres), the Thurrock “hyperscale datacentre” will be part of a wave of mammoth computer and AI power houses if it secures planning consent.

The plans were submitted by a subsidiary of Google’s parent company, Alphabet, and the carbon impact emerged before a concerted push by Donald Trump’s White House and Downing Street to ramp up AI capacity in Britain. Multibillion-dollar investment deals with some of Silicon Valley’s biggest tech companies are expected to be announced during the US president’s state visit to the UK, which starts on Tuesday.

Keir Starmer’s government has forecast a 13-fold rise in the amount of computer processing power AI will use by 2035 and is scrambling to supply the datacentres to meet that demand in the hope the technology will boost Britain’s insipid economic productivity. Deals involving Nvidia, the world’s largest AI chip maker, and OpenAI, the company behind the ChatGPT AI assistant, are anticipated.

But campaigners have said a wave of massive new computer warehouses will crank up Britain’s greenhouse gas emissions and put pressure on finite power and water resources.

If allowed, the Thurrock complex will include up to four datacentres on “grey belt” land part-occupied by a former speedway and stock car track. It “will lead to a net increase in GHG [greenhouse gas] emissions of 568,727 tonnes CO₂е [carbon dioxide equivalent] per year during the operational phase”, planning documents examined by the Guardian show.

That amounts to about 500 flights from Heathrow to Málaga every week, according to the UN’s International Civil Aviation Organization’s carbon calculator. Google’s planning application stresses this remains a “minor adverse and not significant impact when compared to the UK carbon budgets”, but campaigners disagree.

“Google’s planned facility in Essex will produce carbon emissions several times higher than those of an international airport,” said a spokesperson for Foxglove, a campaign group for fairer technology. “But this is just one of many ‘hyperscale’ datacentres that US big tech wants to impose on the UK – in pursuit of their own profits and regardless of the cost to our environment.

“Starmer’s government needs to stop bowing to the Trump-big tech agenda and start standing up for the interests of the UK public – otherwise we will all be paying for the tech giants’ datacentres, whether in terms of soaring energy bills, dwindling water supplies or a heating planet.”

Datacentres now consume about 2.5% of the UK’s electricity, and demand on the grid is expected to increase fourfold by 2030, according to the House of Commons library.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/sep/15/google-datacentre-kent-co2-thurrock-uk-ai

Gotta keep the portfolio buzzing google ?

I wonder where these AMT comments are stored..a data center?

when a band only tours  limited locations, what’s that doing for emissions? Must be lower because the 100 person crew isn’t hopping on a plane every day?

Poncier

josevolution said:

So there is no climate change concern it has all been a hoax? Who duped me 😝

Probably Catbert.

Poncier

shadowcast said:

Poncier said:

We're listening to the dude who draws Dilbert about climate change?
That should tell you all you need to know.

Most of you live in such a bubble. You hear no outside voice on any matter. You think you're always right and are very snotty about it. You sit in your ivory towers and want to make life miserable for everyone becasue you're miserable. Climate Change is/was a money grab and you all got had..Remember all the horror stories good ole Al Gore told that didn't come true? Remember this one? They tried in in 1978 and it didn't work. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kGB5MMIAVA

Well, when you put it that way. I'm now convinced climate change is a hoaxbert.
I'm also going to check out what Charles M Schulz thought of nuclear fission and what Jim Davis has to say about rising sea levels.

njhaley1

Poncier said:

shadowcast said:

Poncier said:

We're listening to the dude who draws Dilbert about climate change?
That should tell you all you need to know.

Most of you live in such a bubble. You hear no outside voice on any matter. You think you're always right and are very snotty about it. You sit in your ivory towers and want to make life miserable for everyone becasue you're miserable. Climate Change is/was a money grab and you all got had..Remember all the horror stories good ole Al Gore told that didn't come true? Remember this one? They tried in in 1978 and it didn't work. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kGB5MMIAVA

Well, when you put it that way. I'm now convinced climate change is a hoaxbert.
I'm also going to check out what Charles M Schulz thought of nuclear fission and what Jim Davis has to say about rising sea levels.

Don't forget about how that one guy with a bit part in Home Alone 2 feels about the economy!

Tim Simmons

shadowcast said:

Saw this today and would like to get your thoughts as this community is committed to battle climate change. I have had my doubts about the climate crisis for sometime but would like to see what you all think.

Scott Adams explores possible reasons why the climate change hysteria has suddenly vanished.
 •It was funded by billionaires for profit, but funding dried up
• AI industry's energy needs overshadow climate concerns
• Greta Thunberg's shift to other causes undermines her climate focus
• Europe's financial woes reveal climate as a "luxury belief"
• All data is fake Which do you think is most likely?

Re reading this a day later and it’s still batshit bonkers. 

Tim Simmons

The “if there’s climate change how come it still snows in the winter” energy is off the charts. 

Halifax2TheMax

Tim Simmons said:

The “if there’s climate change how come it still snows in the winter” energy is off the charts. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer.

And that you really need to be concerned about the next ice age. The poles shifting is more likely without the weight of the polar ice caps, which satellite imagery shows are shrinking. But earth is going to earth and like gun violence, nothing can be done.

Sorry Charlie.