psst...06/16/2025

M0nst3rMJ

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

Killer_B said:

First world problems, I know, but so frustrating. Sold out at show and gone here in under a minute. Like others have said countless times, there are better ways to do this.

This is an understatement. But it seems like nobody that can change this cares to change this. So here we are.

You can't fine tune supply/demand with such precision. There are a bunch of posters just sitting in the store. It is what it is. 

The posters sitting in the store are there because they aren't desirable. The few cool ones are for the Europe shows that probably few of us attended. Any poster that was halfway decent has sold out.

So what do you propose they do?

Obviously increase the production of the posters that look like they will sell. With all due respect to the artists its been pretty easy to tell which ones are going to be in demand and which ones aren't. It doesn't take an art expert to figure that out. But either way standing in lines of 5+ hours is not the way. 

TahoeJeff

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

Killer_B said:

First world problems, I know, but so frustrating. Sold out at show and gone here in under a minute. Like others have said countless times, there are better ways to do this.

This is an understatement. But it seems like nobody that can change this cares to change this. So here we are.

You can't fine tune supply/demand with such precision. There are a bunch of posters just sitting in the store. It is what it is. 

The posters sitting in the store are there because they aren't desirable. The few cool ones are for the Europe shows that probably few of us attended. Any poster that was halfway decent has sold out.

This is really subjective. For example, I really liked the Nashville N1 poster and picked it up at the show. It's available still in the shop. I also really like the Raleigh N1 that is available, but I am only really interested in posters from the shows I've attended. As has been said above, it's hard to gauge supply and demand with something as subjective as poster artwork.

Merkin Baller

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

Killer_B said:

First world problems, I know, but so frustrating. Sold out at show and gone here in under a minute. Like others have said countless times, there are better ways to do this.

This is an understatement. But it seems like nobody that can change this cares to change this. So here we are.

You can't fine tune supply/demand with such precision. There are a bunch of posters just sitting in the store. It is what it is. 

The posters sitting in the store are there because they aren't desirable. The few cool ones are for the Europe shows that probably few of us attended. Any poster that was halfway decent has sold out.

So what do you propose they do?

Obviously increase the production of the posters that look like they will sell. With all due respect to the artists its been pretty easy to tell which ones are going to be in demand and which ones aren't. It doesn't take an art expert to figure that out. But either way standing in lines of 5+ hours is not the way. 

I can't envision Pearl Jam telling an artist they're working with that they're going to print fewer of their posters as compared to others'. 

pjhead

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

Killer_B said:

First world problems, I know, but so frustrating. Sold out at show and gone here in under a minute. Like others have said countless times, there are better ways to do this.

This is an understatement. But it seems like nobody that can change this cares to change this. So here we are.

You can't fine tune supply/demand with such precision. There are a bunch of posters just sitting in the store. It is what it is. 

The posters sitting in the store are there because they aren't desirable. The few cool ones are for the Europe shows that probably few of us attended. Any poster that was halfway decent has sold out.

So what do you propose they do?

Obviously increase the production of the posters that look like they will sell. With all due respect to the artists its been pretty easy to tell which ones are going to be in demand and which ones aren't. It doesn't take an art expert to figure that out. But either way standing in lines of 5+ hours is not the way. 

Production is likely driven by the show capacity rather than the appearance of the poster. I don't think the 10c has any desire to accommodate those that didn't attend the show but want the poster.  They are nice enough to hold back any. Not all bands do that.  I think there are some really cool posters left in the shop. 

JeBurkhardt

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

Killer_B said:

First world problems, I know, but so frustrating. Sold out at show and gone here in under a minute. Like others have said countless times, there are better ways to do this.

This is an understatement. But it seems like nobody that can change this cares to change this. So here we are.

You can't fine tune supply/demand with such precision. There are a bunch of posters just sitting in the store. It is what it is. 

The posters sitting in the store are there because they aren't desirable. The few cool ones are for the Europe shows that probably few of us attended. Any poster that was halfway decent has sold out.

So what do you propose they do?

Obviously increase the production of the posters that look like they will sell. With all due respect to the artists its been pretty easy to tell which ones are going to be in demand and which ones aren't. It doesn't take an art expert to figure that out. But either way standing in lines of 5+ hours is not the way. 

Sell their allotment of posters in the shop. If they see that there is a great demand for a particular poster, like today, create a presale for a second run to cover the orders. Most people don't care if their show edition is exclusive, we just want a poster from the show we attended. If someone is interested in exclusivity, let them chase the AP.

Hopper

A ten club perk should be a presale of posters to the shows you “win” and purchase tickets. Add a box at checkout. “Would you like to purchase an event poster?” 

For all of the love the band shows to the faithful at the shows, 10c leadership has never taken the same approach en masse. Santos and the crew are great, especially on an individual basis, I’m just speaking to the policies of the club.

Florida Night 1 was the worst drop ever. No notice, the morning after the show. What attendees were expecting the poster drop the next day!? Terrible.

M0nst3rMJ

Merkin Baller said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

Killer_B said:

First world problems, I know, but so frustrating. Sold out at show and gone here in under a minute. Like others have said countless times, there are better ways to do this.

This is an understatement. But it seems like nobody that can change this cares to change this. So here we are.

You can't fine tune supply/demand with such precision. There are a bunch of posters just sitting in the store. It is what it is. 

The posters sitting in the store are there because they aren't desirable. The few cool ones are for the Europe shows that probably few of us attended. Any poster that was halfway decent has sold out.

So what do you propose they do?

Obviously increase the production of the posters that look like they will sell. With all due respect to the artists its been pretty easy to tell which ones are going to be in demand and which ones aren't. It doesn't take an art expert to figure that out. But either way standing in lines of 5+ hours is not the way. 

I can't envision Pearl Jam telling an artist they're working with that they're going to print fewer of their posters as compared to others'. 

No but maybe print another 1000 or so that do appear to be standouts or sell quickly. Like right now they could pump out another 500 of these and they would sell out and also crash the flipper market as well. 

TahoeJeff

Hopper said:

A ten club perk should be a presale of posters to the shows you “win” and purchase tickets. Add a box at checkout. “Would you like to purchase an event poster?” 

I like this idea. I'm heading down to LA this weekend to see Superdrag, and when I bought tickets, they made a merch bundle available as an add on. I just have to pick it up when I get to the show. Quite convenient.

Merkin Baller

M0nst3rMJ said:

Merkin Baller said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

Killer_B said:

First world problems, I know, but so frustrating. Sold out at show and gone here in under a minute. Like others have said countless times, there are better ways to do this.

This is an understatement. But it seems like nobody that can change this cares to change this. So here we are.

You can't fine tune supply/demand with such precision. There are a bunch of posters just sitting in the store. It is what it is. 

The posters sitting in the store are there because they aren't desirable. The few cool ones are for the Europe shows that probably few of us attended. Any poster that was halfway decent has sold out.

So what do you propose they do?

Obviously increase the production of the posters that look like they will sell. With all due respect to the artists its been pretty easy to tell which ones are going to be in demand and which ones aren't. It doesn't take an art expert to figure that out. But either way standing in lines of 5+ hours is not the way. 

I can't envision Pearl Jam telling an artist they're working with that they're going to print fewer of their posters as compared to others'. 

No but maybe print another 1000 or so that do appear to be standouts or sell quickly. Like right now they could pump out another 500 of these and they would sell out and also crash the flipper market as well. 

I understand there are things the band can do to accommodate more fans, I just don't think they care enough about the merch situation to make any changes. 

Sure, it would get more posters into people's hands, they would upset the flipper market and yes, they would make more $, but if none of that was enough motivation to change things up in years past, why would they bother now?

I think it is what it is at this point. 

runstaples

Damn, there aren't even that many on ebay right now, but the cheapest I see is like $385

DN53738

I do see one on e-bay:

[ebay link removed by Admin]

Pearl Jam PITTSBURGH POSTER NIGHT 1 Brad Klausen 5/16/25 PPG Arena Pre Order

Does this go against ten club policy.  I mean they even state they will ship it when they receive it so it must be from this sale. 

kasedoug

Hopper said:

A ten club perk should be a presale of posters to the shows you “win” and purchase tickets. Add a box at checkout. “Would you like to purchase an event poster?” 

Believe it or not, they have already done a poster pre-sale back in 2009. You could pre-order 1 poster for each show you had Ten Club tickets sight unseen and it was shipped to you after the tour. They never brought it back after that so they must have their reasons.

I believe I saw a post somewhere in the Tour Merch thread that someone spoke to a warehouse staffer and that people complained and they had a flood of money back requests because people didn't like the posters they received.

TahoeJeff

kasedoug said:

I believe I saw a post somewhere in the Tour Merch thread that someone spoke to a warehouse staffer and that people complained and they had a flood of money back requests because people didn't like the posters they received.

I could definitely see that happening. I think it should be understood that is part of the risk for buying something without seeing it first, and you're just going to have to live with it if you don't like it. You simply can't please everyone. Besides, clearly there is a secondary market, and if you don't like the poster, there is probably someone out there who missed out that would buy it

drfox

M0nst3rMJ said:

Merkin Baller said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

Killer_B said:

First world problems, I know, but so frustrating. Sold out at show and gone here in under a minute. Like others have said countless times, there are better ways to do this.

This is an understatement. But it seems like nobody that can change this cares to change this. So here we are.

You can't fine tune supply/demand with such precision. There are a bunch of posters just sitting in the store. It is what it is. 

The posters sitting in the store are there because they aren't desirable. The few cool ones are for the Europe shows that probably few of us attended. Any poster that was halfway decent has sold out.

So what do you propose they do?

Obviously increase the production of the posters that look like they will sell. With all due respect to the artists its been pretty easy to tell which ones are going to be in demand and which ones aren't. It doesn't take an art expert to figure that out. But either way standing in lines of 5+ hours is not the way. 

I can't envision Pearl Jam telling an artist they're working with that they're going to print fewer of their posters as compared to others'. 

No but maybe print another 1000 or so that do appear to be standouts or sell quickly. Like right now they could pump out another 500 of these and they would sell out and also crash the flipper market as well. 

I think it will be a bit of a hassle to print more. I guess all the printing is done in one bulk order for all the shows in the tour leg (the order containing all the SEs, 10c allocation and APs). Probably not very cost effective to send in a second order.
There’s always going to be some posters more popular than others. This one is such a fantastic poster that hundreds of people want it who haven’t been to the show. Whereas other posters like the Atlanta 1 or Nashville 1, only the people at the show are likely to pick up. It’s a really tricky balance for 10c to manage and as others have said it can be tricky to know what will be popular as art is subjective. I think Brad Klausen said a year or two ago that he thought his 2022 life trilogy would be really in demand, which it wasn’t, but was then surprised how popular his Napa poster was. No one can be 100% certain on what will be most in demand

Vitalogensia

TahoeJeff said:

Hopper said:

A ten club perk should be a presale of posters to the shows you “win” and purchase tickets. Add a box at checkout. “Would you like to purchase an event poster?” 

I like this idea. I'm heading down to LA this weekend to see Superdrag, and when I bought tickets, they made a merch bundle available as an add on. I just have to pick it up when I get to the show. Quite convenient.

Rad you’re seeing Superdrag, hope that show is good! 

pjl44

M0nst3rMJ said:

Merkin Baller said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

pjl44 said:

M0nst3rMJ said:

Killer_B said:

First world problems, I know, but so frustrating. Sold out at show and gone here in under a minute. Like others have said countless times, there are better ways to do this.

This is an understatement. But it seems like nobody that can change this cares to change this. So here we are.

You can't fine tune supply/demand with such precision. There are a bunch of posters just sitting in the store. It is what it is. 

The posters sitting in the store are there because they aren't desirable. The few cool ones are for the Europe shows that probably few of us attended. Any poster that was halfway decent has sold out.

So what do you propose they do?

Obviously increase the production of the posters that look like they will sell. With all due respect to the artists its been pretty easy to tell which ones are going to be in demand and which ones aren't. It doesn't take an art expert to figure that out. But either way standing in lines of 5+ hours is not the way. 

I can't envision Pearl Jam telling an artist they're working with that they're going to print fewer of their posters as compared to others'. 

No but maybe print another 1000 or so that do appear to be standouts or sell quickly. Like right now they could pump out another 500 of these and they would sell out and also crash the flipper market as well. 

Potential concerns I would have with this strategy:

- Would desirable artists be hesitant to work with us if we're printing multiple editions to high volumes?

- Does this impact our relationship with artists (individually or collectively) if their compensation is tied to selling a finite number of APs and we are selling until every last dollar has been grabbed?

- Would this complete elimination of scarcity impact our future market for poster sales?

- Is it logistically feasible to sell, receive, and ship additional print runs?

Who knows maybe they'll try something like this but it does not seem like an obvious solution to me.

Merkin Baller

TahoeJeff said:

kasedoug said:

I believe I saw a post somewhere in the Tour Merch thread that someone spoke to a warehouse staffer and that people complained and they had a flood of money back requests because people didn't like the posters they received.

I could definitely see that happening. I think it should be understood that is part of the risk for buying something without seeing it first, and you're just going to have to live with it if you don't like it. You simply can't please everyone. Besides, clearly there is a secondary market, and if you don't like the poster, there is probably someone out there who missed out that would buy it

If the secondary market was all that strong, there wouldn't be dozens of unsold posters sitting in the shop right now. 

pjl44

TahoeJeff said:

kasedoug said:

I believe I saw a post somewhere in the Tour Merch thread that someone spoke to a warehouse staffer and that people complained and they had a flood of money back requests because people didn't like the posters they received.

I could definitely see that happening. I think it should be understood that is part of the risk for buying something without seeing it first, and you're just going to have to live with it if you don't like it. You simply can't please everyone. Besides, clearly there is a secondary market, and if you don't like the poster, there is probably someone out there who missed out that would buy it

It should be understood but was definitely not understood at the time unfortunately. 

You see peoples' unhinged reactions on here when they don't like a poster that they don't ever have to buy. Now imagine they already paid $40. There is no doubt in my mind that it would be as much of a mess as it was in 09 if not worse.

Get_Right

The same logic applies to posters as it does to merch. They establish the number of units, and that is it. The goal is to have nothing left. Nor are they concerned about flippers, they make their money and go home. And I believe the artists are limited in the number of APs they can sell. They are not concerned with meeting excess demand for posters or merch. They sell out and are happy with that result.

They tried poster presales with tickets a couple of times, and it's true, for whatever reason, it did not work. It is probably correct that they received too many complaints about ugly posters.

pjl44

This was how it went down in 2009: