A ten club perk should be a presale of posters to the shows you “win” and purchase tickets. Add a box at checkout. “Would you like to purchase an event poster?”
Believe it or not, they have already done a poster pre-sale back in 2009. You could pre-order 1 poster for each show you had Ten Club tickets sight unseen and it was shipped to you after the tour. They never brought it back after that so they must have their reasons.
I believe I saw a post somewhere in the Tour Merch thread that someone spoke to a warehouse staffer and that people complained and they had a flood of money back requests because people didn't like the posters they received.
I believe I saw a post somewhere in the Tour Merch thread that someone spoke to a warehouse staffer and that people complained and they had a flood of money back requests because people didn't like the posters they received.
I could definitely see that happening. I think it should be understood that is part of the risk for buying something without seeing it first, and you're just going to have to live with it if you don't like it. You simply can't please everyone. Besides, clearly there is a secondary market, and if you don't like the poster, there is probably someone out there who missed out that would buy it
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First world problems, I know, but so frustrating. Sold out at show and gone here in under a minute. Like others have said countless times, there are better ways to do this.
This is an understatement. But it seems like nobody that can change this cares to change this. So here we are.
You can't fine tune supply/demand with such precision. There are a bunch of posters just sitting in the store. It is what it is.
The posters sitting in the store are there because they aren't desirable. The few cool ones are for the Europe shows that probably few of us attended. Any poster that was halfway decent has sold out.
So what do you propose they do?
Obviously increase the production of the posters that look like they will sell. With all due respect to the artists its been pretty easy to tell which ones are going to be in demand and which ones aren't. It doesn't take an art expert to figure that out. But either way standing in lines of 5+ hours is not the way.
I can't envision Pearl Jam telling an artist they're working with that they're going to print fewer of their posters as compared to others'.
No but maybe print another 1000 or so that do appear to be standouts or sell quickly. Like right now they could pump out another 500 of these and they would sell out and also crash the flipper market as well.
I think it will be a bit of a hassle to print more. I guess all the printing is done in one bulk order for all the shows in the tour leg (the order containing all the SEs, 10c allocation and APs). Probably not very cost effective to send in a second order. There’s always going to be some posters more popular than others. This one is such a fantastic poster that hundreds of people want it who haven’t been to the show. Whereas other posters like the Atlanta 1 or Nashville 1, only the people at the show are likely to pick up. It’s a really tricky balance for 10c to manage and as others have said it can be tricky to know what will be popular as art is subjective. I think Brad Klausen said a year or two ago that he thought his 2022 life trilogy would be really in demand, which it wasn’t, but was then surprised how popular his Napa poster was. No one can be 100% certain on what will be most in demand
A ten club perk should be a presale of posters to the shows you “win” and purchase tickets. Add a box at checkout. “Would you like to purchase an event poster?”
I like this idea. I'm heading down to LA this weekend to see Superdrag, and when I bought tickets, they made a merch bundle available as an add on. I just have to pick it up when I get to the show. Quite convenient.
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First world problems, I know, but so frustrating. Sold out at show and gone here in under a minute. Like others have said countless times, there are better ways to do this.
This is an understatement. But it seems like nobody that can change this cares to change this. So here we are.
You can't fine tune supply/demand with such precision. There are a bunch of posters just sitting in the store. It is what it is.
The posters sitting in the store are there because they aren't desirable. The few cool ones are for the Europe shows that probably few of us attended. Any poster that was halfway decent has sold out.
So what do you propose they do?
Obviously increase the production of the posters that look like they will sell. With all due respect to the artists its been pretty easy to tell which ones are going to be in demand and which ones aren't. It doesn't take an art expert to figure that out. But either way standing in lines of 5+ hours is not the way.
I can't envision Pearl Jam telling an artist they're working with that they're going to print fewer of their posters as compared to others'.
No but maybe print another 1000 or so that do appear to be standouts or sell quickly. Like right now they could pump out another 500 of these and they would sell out and also crash the flipper market as well.
Potential concerns I would have with this strategy:
- Would desirable artists be hesitant to work with us if we're printing multiple editions to high volumes?
- Does this impact our relationship with artists (individually or collectively) if their compensation is tied to selling a finite number of APs and we are selling until every last dollar has been grabbed?
- Would this complete elimination of scarcity impact our future market for poster sales?
- Is it logistically feasible to sell, receive, and ship additional print runs?
Who knows maybe they'll try something like this but it does not seem like an obvious solution to me.
I believe I saw a post somewhere in the Tour Merch thread that someone spoke to a warehouse staffer and that people complained and they had a flood of money back requests because people didn't like the posters they received.
I could definitely see that happening. I think it should be understood that is part of the risk for buying something without seeing it first, and you're just going to have to live with it if you don't like it. You simply can't please everyone. Besides, clearly there is a secondary market, and if you don't like the poster, there is probably someone out there who missed out that would buy it
If the secondary market was all that strong, there wouldn't be dozens of unsold posters sitting in the shop right now.
I believe I saw a post somewhere in the Tour Merch thread that someone spoke to a warehouse staffer and that people complained and they had a flood of money back requests because people didn't like the posters they received.
I could definitely see that happening. I think it should be understood that is part of the risk for buying something without seeing it first, and you're just going to have to live with it if you don't like it. You simply can't please everyone. Besides, clearly there is a secondary market, and if you don't like the poster, there is probably someone out there who missed out that would buy it
It should be understood but was definitely not understood at the time unfortunately.
You see peoples' unhinged reactions on here when they don't like a poster that they don't ever have to buy. Now imagine they already paid $40. There is no doubt in my mind that it would be as much of a mess as it was in 09 if not worse.
The same logic applies to posters as it does to merch. They establish the number of units, and that is it. The goal is to have nothing left. Nor are they concerned about flippers, they make their money and go home. And I believe the artists are limited in the number of APs they can sell. They are not concerned with meeting excess demand for posters or merch. They sell out and are happy with that result.
They tried poster presales with tickets a couple of times, and it's true, for whatever reason, it did not work. It is probably correct that they received too many complaints about ugly posters.
Yep missed it Going to have to buy a cheap replica for $20 . Kinda not cool but it is was it is
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I was on this board at 845 this morning. I refreshed this page 1,537 times. At 908 I decided to get a cup of coffee. At 911 I came back to this board, and the poster was FUCKING SOLD OUT!
TOO FUNNY
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I was on this board at 845 this morning. I refreshed this page 1,537 times. At 908 I decided to get a cup of coffee. At 911 I came back to this board, and the poster was FUCKING SOLD OUT!
TOO FUNNY
I've had that happen to me. Or it ends up being the one time you get up to use the bathroom.
I was on this board at 845 this morning. I refreshed this page 1,537 times. At 908 I decided to get a cup of coffee. At 911 I came back to this board, and the poster was FUCKING SOLD OUT!
TOO FUNNY
I've had that happen to me. Or it ends up being the one time you get up to use the bathroom.
I sat down with my coffee, turned to the "porch" said to myself "You have got to be kidding", and then saw it was sold out.
I was not at the show, but as far as the tour, this poster is the best of the bunch. IMO
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Art is subjective, I get it. This is such a copycat of the Emek 2013 print thematically, I don't see the allure, but maybe I'm alone here. Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery, yada, yada, yada.....lacks originality imo, Think folks are trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice and hope this one appreciates to the 2013 levels $-wise.
Art is subjective, I get it. This is such a copycat of the Emek 2013 print thematically, I don't see the allure, but maybe I'm alone here. Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery, yada, yada, yada.....lacks originality imo, Think folks are trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice and hope this one appreciates to the 2013 levels $-wise.
To me it's less a copycat lacking originality and more a companion piece tapping into what the city is known for, but to your first point, art is subjective, so we're both right!
Art is subjective, I get it. This is such a copycat of the Emek 2013 print thematically, I don't see the allure, but maybe I'm alone here. Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery, yada, yada, yada.....lacks originality imo, Think folks are trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice and hope this one appreciates to the 2013 levels $-wise.
To me it's less a copycat lacking originality and more a companion piece tapping into what the city is known for, but to your first point, art is subjective, so we're both right!
I wish they would finally start recognizing Indiana for the same steel industry themed posters (if they play here again). Northwest Indiana produces more steel than Pittsburgh/Pennsylvania.
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Art is subjective, I get it. This is such a copycat of the Emek 2013 print thematically, I don't see the allure, but maybe I'm alone here. Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery, yada, yada, yada.....lacks originality imo, Think folks are trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice and hope this one appreciates to the 2013 levels $-wise.
I think you might be referring to Munk One Pittsburgh 2013, not Emek.
I was on this board at 845 this morning. I refreshed this page 1,537 times. At 908 I decided to get a cup of coffee. At 911 I came back to this board, and the poster was FUCKING SOLD OUT!
TOO FUNNY
I've had that happen to me. Or it ends up being the one time you get up to use the bathroom.
Guess what I was doing when I took a break from refreshing......
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Pearl Jam PITTSBURGH POSTER NIGHT 1 Brad Klausen 5/16/25 PPG Arena Pre Order
Does this go against ten club policy. I mean they even state they will ship it when they receive it so it must be from this sale.
I believe I saw a post somewhere in the Tour Merch thread that someone spoke to a warehouse staffer and that people complained and they had a flood of money back requests because people didn't like the posters they received.
There’s always going to be some posters more popular than others. This one is such a fantastic poster that hundreds of people want it who haven’t been to the show. Whereas other posters like the Atlanta 1 or Nashville 1, only the people at the show are likely to pick up. It’s a really tricky balance for 10c to manage and as others have said it can be tricky to know what will be popular as art is subjective. I think Brad Klausen said a year or two ago that he thought his 2022 life trilogy would be really in demand, which it wasn’t, but was then surprised how popular his Napa poster was. No one can be 100% certain on what will be most in demand
- Would desirable artists be hesitant to work with us if we're printing multiple editions to high volumes?
- Does this impact our relationship with artists (individually or collectively) if their compensation is tied to selling a finite number of APs and we are selling until every last dollar has been grabbed?
- Would this complete elimination of scarcity impact our future market for poster sales?
- Is it logistically feasible to sell, receive, and ship additional print runs?
Who knows maybe they'll try something like this but it does not seem like an obvious solution to me.
You see peoples' unhinged reactions on here when they don't like a poster that they don't ever have to buy. Now imagine they already paid $40. There is no doubt in my mind that it would be as much of a mess as it was in 09 if not worse.
They tried poster presales with tickets a couple of times, and it's true, for whatever reason, it did not work. It is probably correct that they received too many complaints about ugly posters.
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Going to have to buy a cheap replica for $20 .
Kinda not cool but it is was it is
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PJ Noblesviile IN 8/18/2000
PJ Cincinnatti OH 8/20/2000
PJ Columbus OH 8/21/2000
PJ Columbus OH 6/24/2003
PJ Hamilton Ontario 9/13/2005
PJ Phiadelphia PA 10/3/2005
PJ Cleveland OH 5/20/2006
PJ Columbia SC 6/16/2008.....
e.V Chicago IL 8/21/2008
e.V Philly PA 6/11/2009
e.V Bailtimore MD 6/14/2009...
PJ Chicago IL 8/23/2009
.PJ...Philly PA 10/27/2009 PJ.Philadephia PA 10/28/2009.
PJ Columbus OH 5/6/2010
PJ Cleveland OH 5/9/2010.
BRAD Columbus OH 10/5/2010
e.V St.Louis MO 7/1/2011
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AIC Cincinnati OH 5/17/2014
AIC Cleveland OH 5/19/2014
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AIC Cincinnati OH 8/06/2015
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I refreshed this page 1,537 times.
At 908 I decided to get a cup of coffee.
At 911 I came back to this board, and the poster was FUCKING SOLD OUT!
TOO FUNNY
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I was not at the show, but as far as the tour, this poster is the best of the bunch. IMO
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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Just don't love your poster.
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Still a great poster.
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