Neil Young stops with platinum tickets. Will Pearl Jam follow?

Spiritual_Chaos

I know Eddie has defended the practise. But minds can change. 

mcgruff10

One can hope.

bootlegger10

Still have to battle the scalpers.

Tim Simmons

This just means more money to the secondary market brokers, right? 

pjl44

Tim Simmons said:

This just means more money to the secondary market brokers, right? 

If the demand is there. I can't speak for every city but he hasn't been a tough ticket in New England over the years.

pjl44

And I don't mean that with a negative connotation. He's done a good job of meeting demand with decisions on venue size, number of shows, etc.

Tim Simmons

I'm just generally speaking. Not NY or PJ specifically. 

pjl44

Tim Simmons said:

I'm just generally speaking. Not NY or PJ specifically. 

Oh 100%. Hell it's right in his message. Buy aggressively lol!

pjl44

But I do agree with the subtext. If that incremental revenue is out there let it flow to the people in charge of putting on and performing the show.

EH14457

Tim Simmons said:

This just means more money to the secondary market brokers, right? 

Yes and no. You have to figure that real fans will get some of the tickets that would otherwise be held as Platinum. Even if the success rate is really low and fans only get 10% of the tickets vs. scalpers getting 90%... I guess Neil is saying that if a few fans get better seats at lower cost and scalpers get to keep the proceeds for whatever they resell, he'd prefer that over just pocketing more money himself for a block of higher-priced tickets.

iOnlyownMymind

My hunch is PJ does Platinum so they can play the minimum number of shows to make whatever $ they need/desire to make it worth it. The demand is still there.  If it drops, maybe they'll do something different. We know they don't like to tour and with the cost of touring, most bands need to play quite a few shows before breaking even.  My guess is this is the bands approach to not having to play those extra shows to break even. That plus the merch sales helps them play a desired small number of shows that makes enough to cover costs, pay the crew, staff, and themselves. 

on2legs

Unlikely.   

pjhawks

iOnlyownMymind said:

My hunch is PJ does Platinum so they can play the minimum number of shows to make whatever $ they need/desire to make it worth it. The demand is still there.  If it drops, maybe they'll do something different. We know they don't like to tour and with the cost of touring, most bands need to play quite a few shows before breaking even.  My guess is this is the bands approach to not having to play those extra shows to break even. That plus the merch sales helps them play a desired small number of shows that makes enough to cover costs, pay the crew, staff, and themselves. 

I think they do platinum to give Ticketmaster more revenue for Ticketmaster agreeing to a much higher number of fan club tickets for PJ. 

BloodMeridian80

pjhawks said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

My hunch is PJ does Platinum so they can play the minimum number of shows to make whatever $ they need/desire to make it worth it. The demand is still there.  If it drops, maybe they'll do something different. We know they don't like to tour and with the cost of touring, most bands need to play quite a few shows before breaking even.  My guess is this is the bands approach to not having to play those extra shows to break even. That plus the merch sales helps them play a desired small number of shows that makes enough to cover costs, pay the crew, staff, and themselves. 

I think they do platinum to give Ticketmaster more revenue for Ticketmaster agreeing to a much higher number of fan club tickets for PJ. 

I agree that they go with platinum as a bargaining chip to get more fan club seats. Unfortunately, the F2F system is F'd this time around. The bigger concern is fixing F2F for the next tour not the question of platinum.

tschav

Well, if we're talking semantics there are no "Platinum Tickets" today because for some reason the band brands them as "PJ Premium"

That being said, I'm still unsure what the difference has been apart from the sting of hearing/reading "Platinum" on their Ticketmaster listings.

dmbolp

RatherStarved

I can see it now - Neil Young introduces “Chrome” tickets to replace Platinum.





I’m here all week, try the veal.  

JD87070

Tim Simmons said:

This just means more money to the secondary market brokers, right? 

Neil also does Fan2Fan (aka not allowing Transfer of tickets, can only sell for face value on TM), so secondary market is only available in states that don’t allow resale restrictions (NY, IL and a handful of others). Yes there are ways around it, but it definitely cuts down on the amount of brokers because it is more of a process so many don’t bother.
That said, his standard ticket price for a relatively close seat is $261+ fees.

Spiritual_Chaos

pjhawks said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

My hunch is PJ does Platinum so they can play the minimum number of shows to make whatever $ they need/desire to make it worth it. The demand is still there.  If it drops, maybe they'll do something different. We know they don't like to tour and with the cost of touring, most bands need to play quite a few shows before breaking even.  My guess is this is the bands approach to not having to play those extra shows to break even. That plus the merch sales helps them play a desired small number of shows that makes enough to cover costs, pay the crew, staff, and themselves. 

I think they do platinum to give Ticketmaster more revenue for Ticketmaster agreeing to a much higher number of fan club tickets for PJ. 

I doubt it has to do with love for the tenclub. 

I think it has do with touring being more expensive, them having been unlucky with costly cancellations lately and mainly not touring enough to make money through quantity. 

BloodMeridian80

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pjhawks said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

My hunch is PJ does Platinum so they can play the minimum number of shows to make whatever $ they need/desire to make it worth it. The demand is still there.  If it drops, maybe they'll do something different. We know they don't like to tour and with the cost of touring, most bands need to play quite a few shows before breaking even.  My guess is this is the bands approach to not having to play those extra shows to break even. That plus the merch sales helps them play a desired small number of shows that makes enough to cover costs, pay the crew, staff, and themselves. 

I think they do platinum to give Ticketmaster more revenue for Ticketmaster agreeing to a much higher number of fan club tickets for PJ. 

I doubt it has to do with love for the tenclub. 

I think it has do with touring being more expensive, they having been unlucky with costly cancellations lately and mainly not touring enough to make money on quantity. 

No one said ‘love of the Tenclub’. It’s pointing out there are negotiations for the tour… accept platinum/premium, they get more fanclub tickets. Don’t do premium, less fanclub or more expensive fanclub tickets. 

Yes, it’s all about money in the end. If PJ premium goes away, I’d expect less fanclub seats and/or creating a tiered fanclub ticket purchase with GA/1st tier being more than $180 dollars.

Keep premium for all I care, just fix the F2F so it stays between fans or fanclub members.

BloodMeridian80

JD87070 said:

Tim Simmons said:

This just means more money to the secondary market brokers, right? 

Neil also does Fan2Fan (aka not allowing Transfer of tickets, can only sell for face value on TM), so secondary market is only available in states that don’t allow resale restrictions (NY, IL and a handful of others). Yes there are ways around it, but it definitely cuts down on the amount of brokers because it is more of a process so many don’t bother.
That said, his standard ticket price for a relatively close seat is $261+ fees.

If Neil’s F2F is the same TM F2F PJ is using for current tour, it is not doing a good job of keeping tickets out of brokers. 

KJ228171

BloodMeridian80 said:

pjhawks said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

My hunch is PJ does Platinum so they can play the minimum number of shows to make whatever $ they need/desire to make it worth it. The demand is still there.  If it drops, maybe they'll do something different. We know they don't like to tour and with the cost of touring, most bands need to play quite a few shows before breaking even.  My guess is this is the bands approach to not having to play those extra shows to break even. That plus the merch sales helps them play a desired small number of shows that makes enough to cover costs, pay the crew, staff, and themselves. 

I think they do platinum to give Ticketmaster more revenue for Ticketmaster agreeing to a much higher number of fan club tickets for PJ. 

I agree that they go with platinum as a bargaining chip to get more fan club seats. Unfortunately, the F2F system is F'd this time around. The bigger concern is fixing F2F for the next tour not the question of platinum.

This. I just want Fan Club tickets for Fan club members even if I miss out. Whether it's 100 tickets or 5000 tickets they shouldn't leave the club.

tschav said:

Well, if we're talking semantics there are no "Platinum Tickets" today because for some reason the band brands them as "PJ Premium"

That being said, I'm still unsure what the difference has been apart from the sting of hearing/reading "Platinum" on their Ticketmaster listings.

A rose by another name.

I'm glad Neil is doing this but he's in the twilight of his career. I would hope PJ still has another 10-15 years in them. The math many be different.

on2legs

BloodMeridian80 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pjhawks said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

My hunch is PJ does Platinum so they can play the minimum number of shows to make whatever $ they need/desire to make it worth it. The demand is still there.  If it drops, maybe they'll do something different. We know they don't like to tour and with the cost of touring, most bands need to play quite a few shows before breaking even.  My guess is this is the bands approach to not having to play those extra shows to break even. That plus the merch sales helps them play a desired small number of shows that makes enough to cover costs, pay the crew, staff, and themselves. 

I think they do platinum to give Ticketmaster more revenue for Ticketmaster agreeing to a much higher number of fan club tickets for PJ. 

I doubt it has to do with love for the tenclub. 

I think it has do with touring being more expensive, they having been unlucky with costly cancellations lately and mainly not touring enough to make money on quantity. 

No one said ‘love of the Tenclub’. It’s pointing out there are negotiations for the tour… accept platinum/premium, they get more fanclub tickets. Don’t do premium, less fanclub or more expensive fanclub tickets. 

Yes, it’s all about money in the end. If PJ premium goes away, I’d expect less fanclub seats and/or creating a tiered fanclub ticket purchase with GA/1st tier being more than $180 dollars.

Keep premium for all I care, just fix the F2F so it stays between fans or fanclub members.

This 👆🏻

tino_11

Thing is, if scalpers get tickets, they are by nature spread out all over the arena. Too many of the best seats in the house are being kept back for platinum tickets. Would love to see PJ push against this more than anything else. 

pjhawks

BloodMeridian80 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pjhawks said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

My hunch is PJ does Platinum so they can play the minimum number of shows to make whatever $ they need/desire to make it worth it. The demand is still there.  If it drops, maybe they'll do something different. We know they don't like to tour and with the cost of touring, most bands need to play quite a few shows before breaking even.  My guess is this is the bands approach to not having to play those extra shows to break even. That plus the merch sales helps them play a desired small number of shows that makes enough to cover costs, pay the crew, staff, and themselves. 

I think they do platinum to give Ticketmaster more revenue for Ticketmaster agreeing to a much higher number of fan club tickets for PJ. 

I doubt it has to do with love for the tenclub. 

I think it has do with touring being more expensive, they having been unlucky with costly cancellations lately and mainly not touring enough to make money on quantity. 

No one said ‘love of the Tenclub’. It’s pointing out there are negotiations for the tour… accept platinum/premium, they get more fanclub tickets. Don’t do premium, less fanclub or more expensive fanclub tickets. 

Yes, it’s all about money in the end. If PJ premium goes away, I’d expect less fanclub seats and/or creating a tiered fanclub ticket purchase with GA/1st tier being more than $180 dollars.

Keep premium for all I care, just fix the F2F so it stays between fans or fanclub members.

This.  Do people think PJ is getting the number of fan club tickets they get without some concessions to Ticketmaster?  Ticketmaster is requiring something back.  My guess is PJ leaves money on the table. 

pjl44

KJ228171 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

pjhawks said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

My hunch is PJ does Platinum so they can play the minimum number of shows to make whatever $ they need/desire to make it worth it. The demand is still there.  If it drops, maybe they'll do something different. We know they don't like to tour and with the cost of touring, most bands need to play quite a few shows before breaking even.  My guess is this is the bands approach to not having to play those extra shows to break even. That plus the merch sales helps them play a desired small number of shows that makes enough to cover costs, pay the crew, staff, and themselves. 

I think they do platinum to give Ticketmaster more revenue for Ticketmaster agreeing to a much higher number of fan club tickets for PJ. 

I agree that they go with platinum as a bargaining chip to get more fan club seats. Unfortunately, the F2F system is F'd this time around. The bigger concern is fixing F2F for the next tour not the question of platinum.

This. I just want Fan Club tickets for Fan club members even if I miss out. Whether it's 100 tickets or 5000 tickets they shouldn't leave the club.

The downside to this is if you're trying to get rid of extras and no one in this limited pool of potential buyers is interested. I think it's very tricky to engineer the precise outcomes we think we want.

KJ228171

pjl44 said:

KJ228171 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

pjhawks said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

My hunch is PJ does Platinum so they can play the minimum number of shows to make whatever $ they need/desire to make it worth it. The demand is still there.  If it drops, maybe they'll do something different. We know they don't like to tour and with the cost of touring, most bands need to play quite a few shows before breaking even.  My guess is this is the bands approach to not having to play those extra shows to break even. That plus the merch sales helps them play a desired small number of shows that makes enough to cover costs, pay the crew, staff, and themselves. 

I think they do platinum to give Ticketmaster more revenue for Ticketmaster agreeing to a much higher number of fan club tickets for PJ. 

I agree that they go with platinum as a bargaining chip to get more fan club seats. Unfortunately, the F2F system is F'd this time around. The bigger concern is fixing F2F for the next tour not the question of platinum.

This. I just want Fan Club tickets for Fan club members even if I miss out. Whether it's 100 tickets or 5000 tickets they shouldn't leave the club.

The downside to this is if you're trying to get rid of extras and no one in this limited pool of potential buyers is interested. I think it's very tricky to engineer the precise outcomes we think we want.

Maybe trying to get rid of them at the last minute might have problems but ahead of time it shouldn’t be. 

PJ isn’t ditching the premium pricing. Whoever is doing the pricing for Young must of screwed up and over estimated demand. I think that’s why he’s going out against it. I checked earlier today. PIT tickets to the closest show is $227. The platinum seats are $750-950. Standard seats behind platinum are $315.00 Most venues still have hundred of seats plus the lawns.

2-feign-reluctance

See a show while you can, any way you can. YOLO is back. 

Get_Right

Sounds good on paper. If he thinks Robert Smith was right, then reduce your prices. Neil's prices have always been high. As long as ticket prices and supply are controlled by Ticketmaster, the consumer loses. And I think Pearl Jam has given in to this process. Just make 10C tix non-transferable and end this F2F nonsense.

retro

He currently still has the "Top Seat 1" for € 491.50 in the front rows.

demetrios

Get_Right said:

Just make 10C tix non-transferable and end this F2F nonsense.

+1. And end GA & bring back reserved (10club lottery) seating up front.