#47 President Donald Trump

Go Beavers

Trump hadn’t heard of it when the press was asking him about it.  

Halifax2TheMax

SNAFU.

Halifax2TheMax

Go Beavers said:

Trump hadn’t heard of it when the press was asking him about it.  

But The Atlantic is a failing magazine so there’s that.

Gern Blansten

I can't wait for the moron press Sec to explain this away

Gern Blansten

This is great....Vance took a swipe at trump in the texts. 

GlowGirl

shecky said:

shadowcast said:

How's everyone doing on this fantastic Monday morning? The country is headed in the right direction! Spring is in the air with summer around the corner.  

Doin' fine, thank you! Yes, it is wonderful to see our country finally back on track again. After all of our hard work getting here, it's nice to just sit back, relax and enjoy it. And, don't rush time too much - Spring only arrived four days ago! Savor the beauty that is here today!

Can you explain how we are back on track. Back on track to what? All I see is one derailment after another. But I am really interested in how you are seeing anything different.

SVRDhand13

shadowcast said:

How's everyone doing on this fantastic Monday morning? The country is headed in the right direction! Spring is in the air with summer around the corner.  

shecky said:

shadowcast said:

How's everyone doing on this fantastic Monday morning? The country is headed in the right direction! Spring is in the air with summer around the corner.  

Doin' fine, thank you! Yes, it is wonderful to see our country finally back on track again. After all of our hard work getting here, it's nice to just sit back, relax and enjoy it. And, don't rush time too much - Spring only arrived four days ago! Savor the beauty that is here today!

To be able to better understand current Trump supporters, I'd love to hear the top 5 things you're most proud of from the Trump presidency so far.  

brianlux

Get_Right said:

I do not think Dems are terrible at messaging. Clinton and Obama campaigns delivered powerful messaging. Kamala's campaign was awful. They blew it. I do not think it helped the Dems that Biden presented as a senile old man protecting a scandalous son. 

At this point, it's WAY time we move past Harris and Biden.  People like Robert Reich, Heather Cox Richardson, Bernie, AOC, and other intelligent, forward thinking people recognize that  BOTH parties need to be revamped.  The only people who still look at how these parties have worked in the past as viable are the dead weight in congress and people who generally are resistant to change.

This whole current shit-show could actually be an opportunity for REAL change in America.  And, frankly, what it comes down to at this point is either making that real change to true Democracy that works for the average people, or oligarchy and tyranny under the thumb of billionaires.  The choice is so fucking simple it's not even funny.  History has proven over and over that living under tyranny is hell.

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

Oh boy....can't blame Biden for this fuck up

What a bunch of fucking dumbasses. But hey....trump!

Well, he did promise to be the most transparent president. 

Lerxst1992

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

how can the left simultaneously be terrible at messaging and also be a cult. I'm confused. 

It's all bullshit from a contrarian who believes they're the smartest person in the room.

Really? It’s very courageous to attack, without a direct quote. As far as the BS, when it comes from the left, you are Unable to…

question US tax dollars spent on medical research, from those who enjoy socialized healthcare and those benefits for nearly free

question visas of those supporting an enemy of the United States getting revoked, when the US has a known history of actions like this

question the recent rallies of Sanders and AOC, who have had ZERO success in recent years with the national electorate with their policies such as “Medicare for All”

HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992 said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

how can the left simultaneously be terrible at messaging and also be a cult. I'm confused. 

It's all bullshit from a contrarian who believes they're the smartest person in the room.

Really? It’s very courageous to attack, without a direct quote. As far as the BS, when it comes from the left, you are Unable to…

question US tax dollars spent on medical research, from those who enjoy socialized healthcare and those benefits for nearly free

question visas of those supporting an enemy of the United States getting revoked, when the US has a known history of actions like this

question the recent rallies of Sanders and AOC, who have had ZERO success in recent years with the national electorate with their policies such as “Medicare for All”

why do you keep whining about this "without a direct quote" shit? it's pretty obvious who he's talking about. and you mentioned, without mentioning names, Pj Soul several times yesterday, no quotes. Should she be whining about that? 

Lerxst1992

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

how can the left simultaneously be terrible at messaging and also be a cult. I'm confused. 

It's all bullshit from a contrarian who believes they're the smartest person in the room.

Really? It’s very courageous to attack, without a direct quote. As far as the BS, when it comes from the left, you are Unable to…

question US tax dollars spent on medical research, from those who enjoy socialized healthcare and those benefits for nearly free

question visas of those supporting an enemy of the United States getting revoked, when the US has a known history of actions like this

question the recent rallies of Sanders and AOC, who have had ZERO success in recent years with the national electorate with their policies such as “Medicare for All”

why do you keep whining about this "without a direct quote" shit? it's pretty obvious who he's talking about. and you mentioned, without mentioning names, Pj Soul several times yesterday, no quotes. Should she be whining about that? 

I was taking a page from that playbook. My “complaining” has a very detailed reason…

she engaged my comment unsolicited , not the other way around, with two personal attacks in one sentence. There was nothing false in my original comment.

 Which is fine by me, if the forum was fairly moderated. Let us bomb away at each other. 

But all the conservatives seem to be banned. You continually attack how I post while barely engaging the content. Endlessly attack me for using Wikipedia? Be realistic. Im Not writing a term paper here. Only interested in balanced discussion when the majority of comments here are far left. And when many media articles copied here provide an unbalanced perspective 

Personal attacks seem to be ok, when the origin is from a certain perspective. This forum cannot take a moderate democrat. Unable to question research funding without getting personally attacked? Unable to point out or discuss possible ties to Hamas without getting attacked? And on and on.

HughFreakingDillon

all the conservatives seem to be banned? no, many magas are. cuz they broke the rules. there are still a few around. many conservatives have been, and continue to post here, regularly. 

endlessly attacked? I think I mentioned your wikipedia hypocrisy once (use any source you want, my point was that you attack others and their chosen sources, then used wikipedia. get it now?), and responded to it from others once or twice. the victimhood is strong. 

I engage content where warranted. But when every rebuttal is met with hysterical "STOP YOUR HATE"  or "THIS IS WHY DEMS LOST" posts, it can be difficult to weed through the nonsense to find actual content worth responding to. 

mickeyrat

government money has been foatering innovation across a broad swath of industries.

the big issue with the ozempic is rhis same government refuses to rein in pharma in regards to price gouging for most medicines

these companies operate without complaint in all those other coubtries and I’d wager make a handsome profit still.  so why then must the US pay through the nose for the same shit that WE paid to develop in the first place.

https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/taxpayers-paid-6-2-billion-to-develop-weight-loss-drugs-pharma-charges-consumers-a-premium-driving-up-healthcare-costs-for-everyone/

https://www.novonordisk.com/

Lerxst1992

HughFreakingDillon said:

all the conservatives seem to be banned? no, many magas are. cuz they broke the rules. there are still a few around. many conservatives have been, and continue to post here, regularly. 

endlessly attacked? I think I mentioned your wikipedia hypocrisy once (use any source you want, my point was that you attack others and their chosen sources, then used wikipedia. get it now?), and responded to it from others once or twice. the victimhood is strong. 

I engage content where warranted. But when every rebuttal is met with hysterical "STOP YOUR HATE"  or "THIS IS WHY DEMS LOST" posts, it can be difficult to weed through the nonsense to find actual content worth responding to. 

I guess wiki is ok for GNR facts but not here lol?

Yes conservatives get banned after getting goaded by the left. Saying I don’t understand university medical research when my comment was about the huge cost to American taxpayers, is a commenter changing the substance of my comment to launch an attack. And then take an additional step…oops…to mock me.  As I’ve said is fine by me if the moderation was balanced. 

And you defended her comment by changing the meaning of my comment …again…and used the teary face to mock me. FWIW, criticizing my comment by bringing up infant  mortality rates is changing the topic, as other significant factors contribute to that claim. Which I raised but there were zero replies from anyone on that point.

At AMT it’s not about the substance of the comment, it’s about moving the comment into a safe space and then making the straw man argument against it.

Gern Blansten

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

all the conservatives seem to be banned? no, many magas are. cuz they broke the rules. there are still a few around. many conservatives have been, and continue to post here, regularly. 

endlessly attacked? I think I mentioned your wikipedia hypocrisy once (use any source you want, my point was that you attack others and their chosen sources, then used wikipedia. get it now?), and responded to it from others once or twice. the victimhood is strong. 

I engage content where warranted. But when every rebuttal is met with hysterical "STOP YOUR HATE"  or "THIS IS WHY DEMS LOST" posts, it can be difficult to weed through the nonsense to find actual content worth responding to. 

I guess wiki is ok for GNR facts but not here lol?

Yes conservatives get banned after getting goaded by the left. Saying I don’t understand university medical research when my comment was about the huge cost to American taxpayers, is a commenter changing the substance of my comment to launch an attack. And then take an additional step…oops…to mock me.  As I’ve said is fine by me if the moderation was balanced. 

And you defended her comment by changing the meaning of my comment …again…and used the teary face to mock me. FWIW, criticizing my comment by bringing up infant  mortality rates is changing the topic, as other significant factors contribute to that claim. Which I raised but there were zero replies from anyone on that point.

At AMT it’s not about the substance of the comment, it’s about moving the comment into a safe space and then making the straw man argument against it.

oh please...are conservatives such snowflakes they can't take being "goaded"

The right wing posters here seem to dive in, goad, troll, then leave. It's the same pattern for most of them. No substance, just off the cuff cheerleading for dear leader.

Halifax2TheMax

How many victim cards are in that deck?

Go Beavers

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

all the conservatives seem to be banned? no, many magas are. cuz they broke the rules. there are still a few around. many conservatives have been, and continue to post here, regularly. 

endlessly attacked? I think I mentioned your wikipedia hypocrisy once (use any source you want, my point was that you attack others and their chosen sources, then used wikipedia. get it now?), and responded to it from others once or twice. the victimhood is strong. 

I engage content where warranted. But when every rebuttal is met with hysterical "STOP YOUR HATE"  or "THIS IS WHY DEMS LOST" posts, it can be difficult to weed through the nonsense to find actual content worth responding to. 

I guess wiki is ok for GNR facts but not here lol?

Yes conservatives get banned after getting goaded by the left. Saying I don’t understand university medical research when my comment was about the huge cost to American taxpayers, is a commenter changing the substance of my comment to launch an attack. And then take an additional step…oops…to mock me.  As I’ve said is fine by me if the moderation was balanced. 

And you defended her comment by changing the meaning of my comment …again…and used the teary face to mock me. FWIW, criticizing my comment by bringing up infant  mortality rates is changing the topic, as other significant factors contribute to that claim. Which I raised but there were zero replies from anyone on that point.

At AMT it’s not about the substance of the comment, it’s about moving the comment into a safe space and then making the straw man argument against it.

I’m trying to track your comments on funding research. It’s bad that the government provide research grants to colleges, much of which is studying health, diseases, and effective interventions in those areas, but it’s good that we’re paying an exorbitant amount for healthcare because of the outcomes from the research and development that money provides? 

Gern Blansten

The Senate hearing today was interesting...Gabbard is a fucking moron. And I can't believe Hegseth's response was to attack the reporter that REMOVED HIMSELF from the chat group.

I can't say I didn't expect this. What a fucked up administration.

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

The Senate hearing today was interesting...Gabbard is a fucking moron. And I can't believe Hegseth's response was to attack the reporter that REMOVED HIMSELF from the chat group.

I can't say I didn't expect this. What a fucked up administration.

I haven't watch that. But I was a little surprised how few comments there were on this thread about it. There's been pages and pages of comments about much smaller issues.
If it turns out the reporter is right, and it seems that way so far, there should definitely be resignations. Whoever added him to the group, and whoever texted the information (Hegseth I believe?) should be gone at minimum. And why are we texting war plans in a group chat, with or without reporters?