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Ed is the antidote to toxic masculinity the world needs right now

Shaindli1Shaindli1 MA Posts: 351
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We are absolutely drowning in toxic masculinity and machismo. It's on our screens 24/7 and comes at us in all forms (ultra patriarchy, homophobia, rampant transphobia etc).

This is why I appreciate what Ed (and the rest of the band) stands for. He always despised machismo. He encourages men to remain in touch with their emotions, as nebulous and as conflicting as they often are. He has shed tears in public numerous times, opened up about his own struggles with grief. He advocates kindness, solidarity and acceptance. 

This needs to be said. I hope he realizes the positive impact he has.
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  • PJINFLAPJINFLA Posts: 774
    Tim is that you
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  • Shaindli1Shaindli1 MA Posts: 351
    PJINFLA said:
    Tim is that you
    Who's Tim?
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    Flag on the field. We've got an 80% AMT post on The Porch.


  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    It shouldn’t be political, but unfortunately it is. 
  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,175
    sounds good
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • elvistheking44elvistheking44 Posts: 4,436
    7/12/2003. We all make mistakes.
  • Shaindli1Shaindli1 MA Posts: 351
    elvistheking44 said:
    7/12/2003. We all make mistakes.
    Hershey.
    That body shaming BS was shameful. 

  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 6,023
    Ed's grown, as have most of us. From Willie Nelson to Harry Styles, it's good to have guys who aren't afraid to be emotional on that stage.
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

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    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • Shaindli1Shaindli1 MA Posts: 351
    Go Animal said:
    Ed's grown, as have most of us. From Willie Nelson to Harry Styles, it's good to have guys who aren't afraid to be emotional on that stage.
    Wish there was a like button here.
  • vedpunkvedpunk Posts: 919
    pjl44 said:
    Flag on the field. We've got an 80% AMT post on The Porch.


    Careful, pjl44 is the Forum”s top watchdog and self-assigned policeman.
  • PJINFLAPJINFLA Posts: 774
    Or maybe it's Doug.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    vedpunk said:
    pjl44 said:
    Flag on the field. We've got an 80% AMT post on The Porch.


    Careful, pjl44 is the Forum”s top watchdog and self-assigned policeman.
    Making up concert information for attention 


  • THEBIBLEISTENTHEBIBLEISTEN Posts: 1,924
    Shaindli1 said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    7/12/2003. We all make mistakes.
    Hershey.
    That body shaming BS was shameful. 

    It was hilarious and Ed was right. 
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,139
    When you become a father to daughters you see clearly 
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  • THEBIBLEISTENTHEBIBLEISTEN Posts: 1,924
    Plus I don’t think he was body shaming anyone. A women was flashing him and he told her to stop pretty directly. Something about mosquito bites.
  • HaijayHaijay Posts: 401
    Shaindli1 said:
    We are absolutely drowning in toxic masculinity and machismo. It's on our screens 24/7 and comes at us in all forms (ultra patriarchy, homophobia, rampant transphobia etc).

    This is why I appreciate what Ed (and the rest of the band) stands for. He always despised machismo. He encourages men to remain in touch with their emotions, as nebulous and as conflicting as they often are. He has shed tears in public numerous times, opened up about his own struggles with grief. He advocates kindness, solidarity and acceptance. 

    This needs to be said. I hope he realizes the positive impact he has.
    I think we’re drowning in toxic FEMININITY,  if anything
  • Douglas12373Douglas12373 Posts: 347
    Haijay said:
    Shaindli1 said:
    We are absolutely drowning in toxic masculinity and machismo. It's on our screens 24/7 and comes at us in all forms (ultra patriarchy, homophobia, rampant transphobia etc).

    This is why I appreciate what Ed (and the rest of the band) stands for. He always despised machismo. He encourages men to remain in touch with their emotions, as nebulous and as conflicting as they often are. He has shed tears in public numerous times, opened up about his own struggles with grief. He advocates kindness, solidarity and acceptance. 

    This needs to be said. I hope he realizes the positive impact he has.
    I think we’re drowning in toxic FEMININITY,  if anything

    Not if you live in America you are not. Or based on my knowledge of humans, anywhere else
  • Shaindli1Shaindli1 MA Posts: 351
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    Plus I don’t think he was body shaming anyone. A women was flashing him and he told her to stop pretty directly. Something about mosquito bites.
    He shamed and humiliated the woman when he could just ignore her.
  • Shaindli1Shaindli1 MA Posts: 351
    lastexitlondon said:
    When you become a father to daughters you see clearly 
    No doubt becoming a father and getting older made him wiser and also happier.
  • Douglas12373Douglas12373 Posts: 347
    Tho it would be nice if people aspired to have more empathy than just about things that directly affect them personally
  • THEBIBLEISTENTHEBIBLEISTEN Posts: 1,924
    Shaindli1 said:
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    Plus I don’t think he was body shaming anyone. A women was flashing him and he told her to stop pretty directly. Something about mosquito bites.
    He shamed and humiliated the woman when he could just ignore her.
    It was 21 years ago and she could have kept her shirt down to. I think not their both best moments. It was funny though. 
  • HaijayHaijay Posts: 401
    Douglas12373 said:
    Haijay said:
    Shaindli1 said:
    We are absolutely drowning in toxic masculinity and machismo. It's on our screens 24/7 and comes at us in all forms (ultra patriarchy, homophobia, rampant transphobia etc).

    This is why I appreciate what Ed (and the rest of the band) stands for. He always despised machismo. He encourages men to remain in touch with their emotions, as nebulous and as conflicting as they often are. He has shed tears in public numerous times, opened up about his own struggles with grief. He advocates kindness, solidarity and acceptance. 

    This needs to be said. I hope he realizes the positive impact he has.
    I think we’re drowning in toxic FEMININITY,  if anything

    Not if you live in America you are not. Or based on my knowledge of humans, anywhere else
    Ok, whatever🙄🙄🙄
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,615
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    Shaindli1 said:
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    Plus I don’t think he was body shaming anyone. A women was flashing him and he told her to stop pretty directly. Something about mosquito bites.
    He shamed and humiliated the woman when he could just ignore her.
    It was 21 years ago and she could have kept her shirt down to. I think not they’re both best moments. It was funny though. 
    Totally agree.  Was really cringy.  Definitely the worst non festival show I ve ever seen.  
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  • MikeDigsMikeDigs Santa Monica, CA Posts: 1,663
    I saw that type of stuff when I saw Papa Roach in Dallas.  The camera crew went and zoomed and posted her on the big screen.  Everyone cheered, she was all smiles.  I guess there's a crowd for it :i_dunno:  Pearl Jam is def not the crowd.
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  • marumarukomarumaruko Posts: 264
    I love how much the band speaks out against toxic masculinity and fights for women's rights.

    But I think in order to move past the toxic masculinity, we need to finally convince males that it's ok to seek help and talk openly about feelings and be vulnerable. This will lower male suicide numbers (the good guys) and reduce violence and oppression against women, as well. Perhaps that is a better approach
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,139
    Men who are nurtured by a mother, 
    Men who have a dad in their life.
    Men who have daughters.
    All great for respecting women.
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  • rb173565rb173565 Posts: 113
    I'm not sure if this is the most hypocritical thread I've read in a while. A few comments in the OP laments body shaming calling it shameful but at the same time bemoaning toxic masculinity. 
    Quick question, what EXACTLY do you define as toxic masculinity? Are all males toxic? Labelling us all as toxic IS absolutely shameful. Maybe, instead of tarring us all with a particular brush you could aim your barbs at those who deserve it. 
    For example, those men in Afghanistan, who, immediately after the U.S. made a deal with terrorists stopped women being educated and began their regimen of female oppression. Maybe the Iranian men too who murder women for not covering their hair to name but two.
    There are plenty of what I would call  'embarrassments' to men. It's just a shame that there are equivalent women. 
    Maybe, just maybe we can all do better.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    rb173565 said:
    I'm not sure if this is the most hypocritical thread I've read in a while. A few comments in the OP laments body shaming calling it shameful but at the same time bemoaning toxic masculinity. 
    Quick question, what EXACTLY do you define as toxic masculinity? Are all males toxic? Labelling us all as toxic IS absolutely shameful. Maybe, instead of tarring us all with a particular brush you could aim your barbs at those who deserve it. 
    For example, those men in Afghanistan, who, immediately after the U.S. made a deal with terrorists stopped women being educated and began their regimen of female oppression. Maybe the Iranian men too who murder women for not covering their hair to name but two.
    There are plenty of what I would call  'embarrassments' to men. It's just a shame that there are equivalent women. 
    Maybe, just maybe we can all do better.
    Toxic masculinity is not being content with the 1:00 games and needing to watch the 4:00 games
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    Don't even get me started on the Thursday night game and ultra patriarchy 
  • rb173565rb173565 Posts: 113
    As someone who doesn't watch sport that comment's a bit lost on me though why watching something you enjoy is toxic is beyond me. Gay, maybe? 
    I mean, sweaty athletic men in shorts running around a field who indulge in a homoerotic orgy of celebration when they score a goal/point/basket isn't toxic but is definitely a bit gay . 😁
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