The best way to fight the bots and scalpers is to provide a very specific time as to when you are going to list your tickets. For example, posts like this.. "I am going to list two seats in section XXX for Pittsburgh night 1 at exactly 5:30pm est". Doing this lets fans that are here be ready to grab them. Even better, select a fan here and give them that info privately in a PM.
And you don't think those people are lurking here....?
sure but it increases the odds. I got GA for U2 at Sphere multiple times because fans followed this strategy. Sure I missed a few times, but I got them a few times as well. It helps
Apples and oranges. Certain dates had high demand, but GA tickets for some of those shows didn't sell instantly and even sold below face value on secondary sites.
It works a hell of a lot better than "I just posted tickets for sale, here is a link". Knowing they are going up BEFORE they get listed is a big advantage. Then you can F5 at the proper time
Good seats are getting sniped by bots even when there's a heads up BEFORE they are listed. F5 doesn't work anymore. It used to. With the link, you can theoretically purchase before the bot has a chance.
Yes SHZA is right, and late nights are not working either, BOTS seem to be always on. So until Pearl Jam plays Fresno again, we need share links.. spread the word..
Why Fresno?
Didnt sellout, GA would sit on fan to fan for hours... and then it would sell and another would pop up... large portions of the upper deck empty.. .... So fan to fan was super easy to get what ever you wanted... and No BOTS and No Secondary markup, no premium
I'm still trying to figure out what a PJ Premium ticket even is. What's "premium" about it other than listing it for 5x face value for a random seat? I also wonder if the band even cares anymore how they bend over the fan club.
I know it doesn't look this way now, but most tickets overall are not premium. Only 10% are premium while the rest are capped at 185. At least the band cares enough to do this.
For Paul McCartney there is no cap. It's always dynamic pricing. When I saw him two and a half year ago the cheapest were 250 wayyyyy up in the rafters.
I'm old enough to remember when PJ at least acted like they cared about their fan base. I wish they would do 1 tour where they catered to the 10c who have been faithful for decades. Allocate the entire arena for 10c first and if there is still 5k seats remaining, THEN open it up to the general public. They would still get the same revenue, correct? I don't get why they only provide such a small number of seats for 10c. It’s not like they are a new band. These dudes are 60. They aren't exactly attracting a new fan base at this point. Just helping scalpers.
You think TM would just go along with that?
Why would it matter? People could still resell the tickets same as now. Just because 10c would get more seats doesn't change anything regarding ticketbastard
I like your idea, but not sure you are accepting/understanding the current dynamics of putting on a show at major arenas today.
The best way to fight the bots and scalpers is to provide a very specific time as to when you are going to list your tickets. For example, posts like this.. "I am going to list two seats in section XXX for Pittsburgh night 1 at exactly 5:30pm est". Doing this lets fans that are here be ready to grab them. Even better, select a fan here and give them that info privately in a PM.
And you don't think those people are lurking here....?
sure but it increases the odds. I got GA for U2 at Sphere multiple times because fans followed this strategy. Sure I missed a few times, but I got them a few times as well. It helps
Apples and oranges. Certain dates had high demand, but GA tickets for some of those shows didn't sell instantly and even sold below face value on secondary sites.
It works a hell of a lot better than "I just posted tickets for sale, here is a link". Knowing they are going up BEFORE they get listed is a big advantage. Then you can F5 at the proper time
Good seats are getting sniped by bots even when there's a heads up BEFORE they are listed. F5 doesn't work anymore. It used to. With the link, you can theoretically purchase before the bot has a chance.
Yes SHZA is right, and late nights are not working either, BOTS seem to be always on. So until Pearl Jam plays Fresno again, we need share links.. spread the word..
Why Fresno?
Didnt sellout, GA would sit on fan to fan for hours... and then it would sell and another would pop up... large portions of the upper deck empty.. .... So fan to fan was super easy to get what ever you wanted... and No BOTS and No Secondary markup, no premium
Other than not selling out it sounds like dream! Is that the infamous show when Eddie had stomach problems and Matt had covid so they brought Dave K?
I'm still trying to figure out what a PJ Premium ticket even is. What's "premium" about it other than listing it for 5x face value for a random seat? I also wonder if the band even cares anymore how they bend over the fan club.
I know it doesn't look this way now, but most tickets overall are not premium. Only 10% are premium while the rest are capped at 185. At least the band cares enough to do this.
For Paul McCartney there is no cap. It's always dynamic pricing. When I saw him two and a half year ago the cheapest were 250 wayyyyy up in the rafters.
I'm old enough to remember when PJ at least acted like they cared about their fan base. I wish they would do 1 tour where they catered to the 10c who have been faithful for decades. Allocate the entire arena for 10c first and if there is still 5k seats remaining, THEN open it up to the general public. They would still get the same revenue, correct? I don't get why they only provide such a small number of seats for 10c. It’s not like they are a new band. These dudes are 60. They aren't exactly attracting a new fan base at this point. Just helping scalpers.
You think TM would just go along with that?
Why would it matter? People could still resell the tickets same as now. Just because 10c would get more seats doesn't change anything regarding ticketbastard
I like your idea, but not sure you are accepting/understanding the current dynamics of putting on a show at major arenas today.
I might be missing something, but I would think the band, TM and the venue all get the same revenue. The band would be playing to a crowd full of 10c members and not 10k random people who could give AF less. It would likely increase the number of 10c memberships significantly, which is just free money for the band. Actually reduces scalping which is currently out of control. I really don't see a negative for any party in this.
I'm still trying to figure out what a PJ Premium ticket even is. What's "premium" about it other than listing it for 5x face value for a random seat? I also wonder if the band even cares anymore how they bend over the fan club.
I know it doesn't look this way now, but most tickets overall are not premium. Only 10% are premium while the rest are capped at 185. At least the band cares enough to do this.
For Paul McCartney there is no cap. It's always dynamic pricing. When I saw him two and a half year ago the cheapest were 250 wayyyyy up in the rafters.
I'm old enough to remember when PJ at least acted like they cared about their fan base. I wish they would do 1 tour where they catered to the 10c who have been faithful for decades. Allocate the entire arena for 10c first and if there is still 5k seats remaining, THEN open it up to the general public. They would still get the same revenue, correct? I don't get why they only provide such a small number of seats for 10c. It’s not like they are a new band. These dudes are 60. They aren't exactly attracting a new fan base at this point. Just helping scalpers.
You think TM would just go along with that?
Why would it matter? People could still resell the tickets same as now. Just because 10c would get more seats doesn't change anything regarding ticketbastard
I like your idea, but not sure you are accepting/understanding the current dynamics of putting on a show at major arenas today.
I might be missing something, but I would think the band, TM and the venue all get the same revenue. The band would be playing to a crowd full of 10c members and not 10k random people who could give AF less. It would likely increase the number of 10c memberships significantly, which is just free money for the band. Actually reduces scalping which is currently out of control. I really don't see a negative for any party in this.
I'm not sure how the revenue would be the same if they cut out premium unless they raised the price of all other seats.
The best way to fight the bots and scalpers is to provide a very specific time as to when you are going to list your tickets. For example, posts like this.. "I am going to list two seats in section XXX for Pittsburgh night 1 at exactly 5:30pm est". Doing this lets fans that are here be ready to grab them. Even better, select a fan here and give them that info privately in a PM.
And you don't think those people are lurking here....?
sure but it increases the odds. I got GA for U2 at Sphere multiple times because fans followed this strategy. Sure I missed a few times, but I got them a few times as well. It helps
Apples and oranges. Certain dates had high demand, but GA tickets for some of those shows didn't sell instantly and even sold below face value on secondary sites.
It works a hell of a lot better than "I just posted tickets for sale, here is a link". Knowing they are going up BEFORE they get listed is a big advantage. Then you can F5 at the proper time
Good seats are getting sniped by bots even when there's a heads up BEFORE they are listed. F5 doesn't work anymore. It used to. With the link, you can theoretically purchase before the bot has a chance.
Yes SHZA is right, and late nights are not working either, BOTS seem to be always on. So until Pearl Jam plays Fresno again, we need share links.. spread the word..
Why Fresno?
Didnt sellout, GA would sit on fan to fan for hours... and then it would sell and another would pop up... large portions of the upper deck empty.. .... So fan to fan was super easy to get what ever you wanted... and No BOTS and No Secondary markup, no premium
Other than not selling out it sounds like dream! Is that the infamous show when Eddie had stomach problems and Matt had covid so they brought Dave K?
Yes was all that.... and so what it didnt sell out. Was a great show, Dave Krusen on Drums... But I'll tell you, Ed came out and didnt look good, def was struggling .. and when after given to fly he said he had stomach issues, my heart sank. I was at the SF show in 95 where Ed had a similar issue ( Red Mosquito) and only did 7 songs..
The best way to fight the bots and scalpers is to provide a very specific time as to when you are going to list your tickets. For example, posts like this.. "I am going to list two seats in section XXX for Pittsburgh night 1 at exactly 5:30pm est". Doing this lets fans that are here be ready to grab them. Even better, select a fan here and give them that info privately in a PM.
And you don't think those people are lurking here....?
sure but it increases the odds. I got GA for U2 at Sphere multiple times because fans followed this strategy. Sure I missed a few times, but I got them a few times as well. It helps
Apples and oranges. Certain dates had high demand, but GA tickets for some of those shows didn't sell instantly and even sold below face value on secondary sites.
It works a hell of a lot better than "I just posted tickets for sale, here is a link". Knowing they are going up BEFORE they get listed is a big advantage. Then you can F5 at the proper time
Good seats are getting sniped by bots even when there's a heads up BEFORE they are listed. F5 doesn't work anymore. It used to. With the link, you can theoretically purchase before the bot has a chance.
Yes SHZA is right, and late nights are not working either, BOTS seem to be always on. So until Pearl Jam plays Fresno again, we need share links.. spread the word..
Why Fresno?
Didnt sellout, GA would sit on fan to fan for hours... and then it would sell and another would pop up... large portions of the upper deck empty.. .... So fan to fan was super easy to get what ever you wanted... and No BOTS and No Secondary markup, no premium
Other than not selling out it sounds like dream! Is that the infamous show when Eddie had stomach problems and Matt had covid so they brought Dave K?
Yes was all that.... and so what it didnt sell out. Was a great show, Dave Krusen on Drums... But I'll tell you, Ed came out and didnt look good, def was struggling .. and when after given to fly he said he had stomach issues, my heart sank. I was at the SF show in 95 where Ed had a similar issue ( Red Mosquito) and only did 7 songs..
Poor Ed. I also suffer from stomach issues and when it's like that I call in sick at work.
I'm still trying to figure out what a PJ Premium ticket even is. What's "premium" about it other than listing it for 5x face value for a random seat? I also wonder if the band even cares anymore how they bend over the fan club.
I know it doesn't look this way now, but most tickets overall are not premium. Only 10% are premium while the rest are capped at 185. At least the band cares enough to do this.
For Paul McCartney there is no cap. It's always dynamic pricing. When I saw him two and a half year ago the cheapest were 250 wayyyyy up in the rafters.
I'm old enough to remember when PJ at least acted like they cared about their fan base. I wish they would do 1 tour where they catered to the 10c who have been faithful for decades. Allocate the entire arena for 10c first and if there is still 5k seats remaining, THEN open it up to the general public. They would still get the same revenue, correct? I don't get why they only provide such a small number of seats for 10c. It’s not like they are a new band. These dudes are 60. They aren't exactly attracting a new fan base at this point. Just helping scalpers.
You think TM would just go along with that?
Why would it matter? People could still resell the tickets same as now. Just because 10c would get more seats doesn't change anything regarding ticketbastard
I like your idea, but not sure you are accepting/understanding the current dynamics of putting on a show at major arenas today.
I might be missing something, but I would think the band, TM and the venue all get the same revenue. The band would be playing to a crowd full of 10c members and not 10k random people who could give AF less. It would likely increase the number of 10c memberships significantly, which is just free money for the band. Actually reduces scalping which is currently out of control. I really don't see a negative for any party in this.
I'm not sure how the revenue would be the same if they cut out premium unless they raised the price of all other seats.
The whole point of touring is not to just play to 10k 10C fans - its to expand their overall fan base.. and also bring in more unique fans per show.. Merch sales and all the add ons would be less, also GP would be less interested, people dont want to be clubs., Last the 10c people complain a lot as it is, can you imagine. If PJ would force TM to the 10% premium and ensure BOTS and scalped tickets would be voided, and make a lottery system that worked for everyone, that would clean up much of the issues.
The best way to fight the bots and scalpers is to provide a very specific time as to when you are going to list your tickets. For example, posts like this.. "I am going to list two seats in section XXX for Pittsburgh night 1 at exactly 5:30pm est". Doing this lets fans that are here be ready to grab them. Even better, select a fan here and give them that info privately in a PM.
And you don't think those people are lurking here....?
sure but it increases the odds. I got GA for U2 at Sphere multiple times because fans followed this strategy. Sure I missed a few times, but I got them a few times as well. It helps
Apples and oranges. Certain dates had high demand, but GA tickets for some of those shows didn't sell instantly and even sold below face value on secondary sites.
It works a hell of a lot better than "I just posted tickets for sale, here is a link". Knowing they are going up BEFORE they get listed is a big advantage. Then you can F5 at the proper time
Good seats are getting sniped by bots even when there's a heads up BEFORE they are listed. F5 doesn't work anymore. It used to. With the link, you can theoretically purchase before the bot has a chance.
Yes SHZA is right, and late nights are not working either, BOTS seem to be always on. So until Pearl Jam plays Fresno again, we need share links.. spread the word..
Why Fresno?
Didnt sellout, GA would sit on fan to fan for hours... and then it would sell and another would pop up... large portions of the upper deck empty.. .... So fan to fan was super easy to get what ever you wanted... and No BOTS and No Secondary markup, no premium
Other than not selling out it sounds like dream! Is that the infamous show when Eddie had stomach problems and Matt had covid so they brought Dave K?
Yes was all that.... and so what it didnt sell out. Was a great show, Dave Krusen on Drums... But I'll tell you, Ed came out and didnt look good, def was struggling .. and when after given to fly he said he had stomach issues, my heart sank. I was at the SF show in 95 where Ed had a similar issue ( Red Mosquito) and only did 7 songs..
I was there too. Heard it all from the med tent myself where I was otherwise “indisposed” and be lectured by a nurse to not do drugs 😂 I felt so bad for Ed, and for Neil too because people started booing him. It was really shitty.
The best way to fight the bots and scalpers is to provide a very specific time as to when you are going to list your tickets. For example, posts like this.. "I am going to list two seats in section XXX for Pittsburgh night 1 at exactly 5:30pm est". Doing this lets fans that are here be ready to grab them. Even better, select a fan here and give them that info privately in a PM.
And you don't think those people are lurking here....?
sure but it increases the odds. I got GA for U2 at Sphere multiple times because fans followed this strategy. Sure I missed a few times, but I got them a few times as well. It helps
Apples and oranges. Certain dates had high demand, but GA tickets for some of those shows didn't sell instantly and even sold below face value on secondary sites.
It works a hell of a lot better than "I just posted tickets for sale, here is a link". Knowing they are going up BEFORE they get listed is a big advantage. Then you can F5 at the proper time
Good seats are getting sniped by bots even when there's a heads up BEFORE they are listed. F5 doesn't work anymore. It used to. With the link, you can theoretically purchase before the bot has a chance.
Yes SHZA is right, and late nights are not working either, BOTS seem to be always on. So until Pearl Jam plays Fresno again, we need share links.. spread the word..
Why Fresno?
Didnt sellout, GA would sit on fan to fan for hours... and then it would sell and another would pop up... large portions of the upper deck empty.. .... So fan to fan was super easy to get what ever you wanted... and No BOTS and No Secondary markup, no premium
Missoula was like that too. GAs readily available and sitting on day of show. Some of the west coast dates were relatively easy too. Chicago and the east coast shows seemed basically impossible. Remains to be seen how these shows will play out.
The best way to fight the bots and scalpers is to provide a very specific time as to when you are going to list your tickets. For example, posts like this.. "I am going to list two seats in section XXX for Pittsburgh night 1 at exactly 5:30pm est". Doing this lets fans that are here be ready to grab them. Even better, select a fan here and give them that info privately in a PM.
And you don't think those people are lurking here....?
sure but it increases the odds. I got GA for U2 at Sphere multiple times because fans followed this strategy. Sure I missed a few times, but I got them a few times as well. It helps
Apples and oranges. Certain dates had high demand, but GA tickets for some of those shows didn't sell instantly and even sold below face value on secondary sites.
It works a hell of a lot better than "I just posted tickets for sale, here is a link". Knowing they are going up BEFORE they get listed is a big advantage. Then you can F5 at the proper time
Good seats are getting sniped by bots even when there's a heads up BEFORE they are listed. F5 doesn't work anymore. It used to. With the link, you can theoretically purchase before the bot has a chance.
Yes SHZA is right, and late nights are not working either, BOTS seem to be always on. So until Pearl Jam plays Fresno again, we need share links.. spread the word..
Why Fresno?
Didnt sellout, GA would sit on fan to fan for hours... and then it would sell and another would pop up... large portions of the upper deck empty.. .... So fan to fan was super easy to get what ever you wanted... and No BOTS and No Secondary markup, no premium
Missoula was like that too. GAs readily available and sitting on day of show. Some of the west coast dates were relatively easy too. Chicago and the east coast shows seemed basically impossible. Remains to be seen how these shows will play out.
The Friday Pitts, Sunday shows will be hardest. of course Florida.. I think Nash, and Raleigh will end up being moderate, I can see one of the Raleigh (2) being like the Vancouver shows..
The best way to fight the bots and scalpers is to provide a very specific time as to when you are going to list your tickets. For example, posts like this.. "I am going to list two seats in section XXX for Pittsburgh night 1 at exactly 5:30pm est". Doing this lets fans that are here be ready to grab them. Even better, select a fan here and give them that info privately in a PM.
And you don't think those people are lurking here....?
sure but it increases the odds. I got GA for U2 at Sphere multiple times because fans followed this strategy. Sure I missed a few times, but I got them a few times as well. It helps
Apples and oranges. Certain dates had high demand, but GA tickets for some of those shows didn't sell instantly and even sold below face value on secondary sites.
It works a hell of a lot better than "I just posted tickets for sale, here is a link". Knowing they are going up BEFORE they get listed is a big advantage. Then you can F5 at the proper time
Good seats are getting sniped by bots even when there's a heads up BEFORE they are listed. F5 doesn't work anymore. It used to. With the link, you can theoretically purchase before the bot has a chance.
Yes SHZA is right, and late nights are not working either, BOTS seem to be always on. So until Pearl Jam plays Fresno again, we need share links.. spread the word..
Why Fresno?
Didnt sellout, GA would sit on fan to fan for hours... and then it would sell and another would pop up... large portions of the upper deck empty.. .... So fan to fan was super easy to get what ever you wanted... and No BOTS and No Secondary markup, no premium
Other than not selling out it sounds like dream! Is that the infamous show when Eddie had stomach problems and Matt had covid so they brought Dave K?
Yes was all that.... and so what it didnt sell out. Was a great show, Dave Krusen on Drums... But I'll tell you, Ed came out and didnt look good, def was struggling .. and when after given to fly he said he had stomach issues, my heart sank. I was at the SF show in 95 where Ed had a similar issue ( Red Mosquito) and only did 7 songs..
I was there too. Heard it all from the med tent myself where I was otherwise “indisposed” and be lectured by a nurse to not do drugs 😂 I felt so bad for Ed, and for Neil too because people started booing him. It was really shitty.
Yeah NO DRUGS! LOL. Well people were booing because there was no updated message that Ed was done. When he left he said he would go chill and be back later. Also when they did RIFW a second time you know its going to get ugly.. The SJ make up show is in my top 5 all time shows ( all bands)
The best way to fight the bots and scalpers is to provide a very specific time as to when you are going to list your tickets. For example, posts like this.. "I am going to list two seats in section XXX for Pittsburgh night 1 at exactly 5:30pm est". Doing this lets fans that are here be ready to grab them. Even better, select a fan here and give them that info privately in a PM.
And you don't think those people are lurking here....?
sure but it increases the odds. I got GA for U2 at Sphere multiple times because fans followed this strategy. Sure I missed a few times, but I got them a few times as well. It helps
Apples and oranges. Certain dates had high demand, but GA tickets for some of those shows didn't sell instantly and even sold below face value on secondary sites.
It works a hell of a lot better than "I just posted tickets for sale, here is a link". Knowing they are going up BEFORE they get listed is a big advantage. Then you can F5 at the proper time
Good seats are getting sniped by bots even when there's a heads up BEFORE they are listed. F5 doesn't work anymore. It used to. With the link, you can theoretically purchase before the bot has a chance.
Yes SHZA is right, and late nights are not working either, BOTS seem to be always on. So until Pearl Jam plays Fresno again, we need share links.. spread the word..
Why Fresno?
Didnt sellout, GA would sit on fan to fan for hours... and then it would sell and another would pop up... large portions of the upper deck empty.. .... So fan to fan was super easy to get what ever you wanted... and No BOTS and No Secondary markup, no premium
Other than not selling out it sounds like dream! Is that the infamous show when Eddie had stomach problems and Matt had covid so they brought Dave K?
Yes was all that.... and so what it didnt sell out. Was a great show, Dave Krusen on Drums... But I'll tell you, Ed came out and didnt look good, def was struggling .. and when after given to fly he said he had stomach issues, my heart sank. I was at the SF show in 95 where Ed had a similar issue ( Red Mosquito) and only did 7 songs..
I was there too. Heard it all from the med tent myself where I was otherwise “indisposed” and be lectured by a nurse to not do drugs 😂 I felt so bad for Ed, and for Neil too because people started booing him. It was really shitty.
Yeah NO DRUGS! LOL. Well people were booing because there was no updated message that Ed was done. When he left he said he would go chill and be back later. Also when they did RIFW a second time you know its going to get ugly.. The SJ make up show is in my top 5 all time shows ( all bands)
Didn’t they play RIFW like 6 times??? I know TM oversold the show by some crazy amount of people too so it was an absolute shitshow.
The best way to fight the bots and scalpers is to provide a very specific time as to when you are going to list your tickets. For example, posts like this.. "I am going to list two seats in section XXX for Pittsburgh night 1 at exactly 5:30pm est". Doing this lets fans that are here be ready to grab them. Even better, select a fan here and give them that info privately in a PM.
And you don't think those people are lurking here....?
sure but it increases the odds. I got GA for U2 at Sphere multiple times because fans followed this strategy. Sure I missed a few times, but I got them a few times as well. It helps
Apples and oranges. Certain dates had high demand, but GA tickets for some of those shows didn't sell instantly and even sold below face value on secondary sites.
It works a hell of a lot better than "I just posted tickets for sale, here is a link". Knowing they are going up BEFORE they get listed is a big advantage. Then you can F5 at the proper time
Good seats are getting sniped by bots even when there's a heads up BEFORE they are listed. F5 doesn't work anymore. It used to. With the link, you can theoretically purchase before the bot has a chance.
Yes SHZA is right, and late nights are not working either, BOTS seem to be always on. So until Pearl Jam plays Fresno again, we need share links.. spread the word..
Why Fresno?
Didnt sellout, GA would sit on fan to fan for hours... and then it would sell and another would pop up... large portions of the upper deck empty.. .... So fan to fan was super easy to get what ever you wanted... and No BOTS and No Secondary markup, no premium
Other than not selling out it sounds like dream! Is that the infamous show when Eddie had stomach problems and Matt had covid so they brought Dave K?
Yes was all that.... and so what it didnt sell out. Was a great show, Dave Krusen on Drums... But I'll tell you, Ed came out and didnt look good, def was struggling .. and when after given to fly he said he had stomach issues, my heart sank. I was at the SF show in 95 where Ed had a similar issue ( Red Mosquito) and only did 7 songs..
I was there too. Heard it all from the med tent myself where I was otherwise “indisposed” and be lectured by a nurse to not do drugs 😂 I felt so bad for Ed, and for Neil too because people started booing him. It was really shitty.
Yeah NO DRUGS! LOL. Well people were booing because there was no updated message that Ed was done. When he left he said he would go chill and be back later. Also when they did RIFW a second time you know its going to get ugly.. The SJ make up show is in my top 5 all time shows ( all bands)
Didn’t they play RIFW like 6 times??? I know TM oversold the show by some crazy amount of people too so it was an absolute shitshow.
Must have been the drugs.... it was just twice... It was crowed though...
The best way to fight the bots and scalpers is to provide a very specific time as to when you are going to list your tickets. For example, posts like this.. "I am going to list two seats in section XXX for Pittsburgh night 1 at exactly 5:30pm est". Doing this lets fans that are here be ready to grab them. Even better, select a fan here and give them that info privately in a PM.
And you don't think those people are lurking here....?
sure but it increases the odds. I got GA for U2 at Sphere multiple times because fans followed this strategy. Sure I missed a few times, but I got them a few times as well. It helps
Apples and oranges. Certain dates had high demand, but GA tickets for some of those shows didn't sell instantly and even sold below face value on secondary sites.
It works a hell of a lot better than "I just posted tickets for sale, here is a link". Knowing they are going up BEFORE they get listed is a big advantage. Then you can F5 at the proper time
Good seats are getting sniped by bots even when there's a heads up BEFORE they are listed. F5 doesn't work anymore. It used to. With the link, you can theoretically purchase before the bot has a chance.
Yes SHZA is right, and late nights are not working either, BOTS seem to be always on. So until Pearl Jam plays Fresno again, we need share links.. spread the word..
Why Fresno?
Didnt sellout, GA would sit on fan to fan for hours... and then it would sell and another would pop up... large portions of the upper deck empty.. .... So fan to fan was super easy to get what ever you wanted... and No BOTS and No Secondary markup, no premium
Other than not selling out it sounds like dream! Is that the infamous show when Eddie had stomach problems and Matt had covid so they brought Dave K?
Yes was all that.... and so what it didnt sell out. Was a great show, Dave Krusen on Drums... But I'll tell you, Ed came out and didnt look good, def was struggling .. and when after given to fly he said he had stomach issues, my heart sank. I was at the SF show in 95 where Ed had a similar issue ( Red Mosquito) and only did 7 songs..
I was there too. Heard it all from the med tent myself where I was otherwise “indisposed” and be lectured by a nurse to not do drugs 😂 I felt so bad for Ed, and for Neil too because people started booing him. It was really shitty.
Yeah NO DRUGS! LOL. Well people were booing because there was no updated message that Ed was done. When he left he said he would go chill and be back later. Also when they did RIFW a second time you know its going to get ugly.. The SJ make up show is in my top 5 all time shows ( all bands)
Didn’t they play RIFW like 6 times??? I know TM oversold the show by some crazy amount of people too so it was an absolute shitshow.
Must have been the drugs.... it was just twice... It was crowed though...
I'm still trying to figure out what a PJ Premium ticket even is. What's "premium" about it other than listing it for 5x face value for a random seat? I also wonder if the band even cares anymore how they bend over the fan club.
I know it doesn't look this way now, but most tickets overall are not premium. Only 10% are premium while the rest are capped at 185. At least the band cares enough to do this.
For Paul McCartney there is no cap. It's always dynamic pricing. When I saw him two and a half year ago the cheapest were 250 wayyyyy up in the rafters.
I'm old enough to remember when PJ at least acted like they cared about their fan base. I wish they would do 1 tour where they catered to the 10c who have been faithful for decades. Allocate the entire arena for 10c first and if there is still 5k seats remaining, THEN open it up to the general public. They would still get the same revenue, correct? I don't get why they only provide such a small number of seats for 10c. It’s not like they are a new band. These dudes are 60. They aren't exactly attracting a new fan base at this point. Just helping scalpers.
You think TM would just go along with that?
Why would it matter? People could still resell the tickets same as now. Just because 10c would get more seats doesn't change anything regarding ticketbastard
I like your idea, but not sure you are accepting/understanding the current dynamics of putting on a show at major arenas today.
I might be missing something, but I would think the band, TM and the venue all get the same revenue. The band would be playing to a crowd full of 10c members and not 10k random people who could give AF less. It would likely increase the number of 10c memberships significantly, which is just free money for the band. Actually reduces scalping which is currently out of control. I really don't see a negative for any party in this.
I'm not sure how the revenue would be the same if they cut out premium unless they raised the price of all other seats.
The whole point of touring is not to just play to 10k 10C fans - its to expand their overall fan base.. and also bring in more unique fans per show.. Merch sales and all the add ons would be less, also GP would be less interested, people dont want to be clubs., Last the 10c people complain a lot as it is, can you imagine. If PJ would force TM to the 10% premium and ensure BOTS and scalped tickets would be voided, and make a lottery system that worked for everyone, that would clean up much of the issues.
The point of touring is to generate revenue. The band sells the entire tour to the promoter, in this case LiveNation in the States, for a guaranteed sum. A predictable amount in merch sales for a typical arena show and the band is more than satisfied to work for 3 weeks at a time @ 10 shows per run on their terms with a day off for rest between events.
It’s not a question of filtering the type of fans that attend. A sell out is a sell out but never guaranteed depending on the market. The lottery will never be perfect regardless because supply will never outpace demand. Burner accounts make it easy to purchase first and dump later on F2F so short of restrictions on winning X shows per tour run the crush will never be contained.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
There's also something to be said for creating your own touring supply & demand.
The first leg of the RHCP tour when they brought John F. back sold very well, with about half of all shows selling out for stadiums & ballparks.
Legs 2 & 3? Not so much.
Leg 1 had them at Camping World Stadium (Citrus Bowl) in Orlando to a 97% (+/- 2%) turnout.
They came back to Tampa over a year later, and had to settle for the MidFlorida (formerly Ford) Amphitheater. That was about the same +/-, but capacity was 20k vs. 60k.
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
I have also been placed in bot Jail, first time ever. Haven’t been able to search for tickets since yesterday at lunch time. And I spent maybe 20-30 minutes on the app the entire day.
Just another fun twist to F2F this year.
Any idea on how to clear this?
2010: Cleveland 2012: Atlanta 2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II 2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver 2015: New York City 2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II 2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2 2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver 2023: St. Paul II 2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
I have also been placed in bot Jail, first time ever. Haven’t been able to search for tickets since yesterday at lunch time. And I spent maybe 20-30 minutes on the app the entire day.
Just another fun twist to F2F this year.
Any idea on how to clear this?
Time or a different device on a different network. It’s usually tied to the network IP so even if you are on a different device at home it still looks like the request is coming from the same place. I have hit this road block this time but in the past I’m only been tag for less than a hour. Also don’t load multiple pages at the same time. You can have multiple tabs open but let one load and then the other and then the other. You let them all load at the last time and you are going to get a sold out or tagged as a bot.
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you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
1995: 7/11 (Chicago) 2009: 8/23, 8/24 (Chicago) 2010: 5/9 (Cleveland) 2013 7/19 (Chicago) 2016: 4/9 (Miami), 5/1 (NYC), 8/20 & 8/22 (Chicago)
2018: 8/18 (Chicago) & 8/20 (Chicago) 2022: 9/11 (NYC), 9/18 (STL) 2023: 9/5 (Chicago), 9/7 (Chicago) 2024: 8/29 (Chicago), 8/31 (Chicago)
Is that the infamous show when Eddie had stomach problems and Matt had covid so they brought Dave K?
I felt so bad for Ed, and for Neil too because people started booing him. It was really shitty.
You might be able to get out of it by switching to WiFi from cellular or vice versa and using a mobile browser. Anything with a new IP address.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
The first leg of the RHCP tour when they brought John F. back sold very well, with about half of all shows selling out for stadiums & ballparks.
Legs 2 & 3? Not so much.
Leg 1 had them at Camping World Stadium (Citrus Bowl) in Orlando to a 97% (+/- 2%) turnout.
They came back to Tampa over a year later, and had to settle for the MidFlorida (formerly Ford) Amphitheater. That was about the same +/-, but capacity was 20k vs. 60k.
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
signed,
a real person.
2018: Fenway 1
2021: Sea.Hear.Now
2022: San Diego, MSG, Camden
2023: Ft. Worth 1, Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1, Austin 2
2024: Las Vegas 1, Las Vegas 2, Wrigley 1, Wrigley 2, MSG 1, MSG 2, Philly 2, Fenway 1, Fenway 2
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore