Just got my appeal decision from TM and it was denied. I can no longer use that account except for the tickets that are currenrly contained in it. WEAK!
Just got my appeal decision from TM and it was denied. I can no longer use that account except for the tickets that are currenrly contained in it. WEAK!
WOW, I guess they dont want us refreshing at all..
Just got my appeal decision from TM and it was denied. I can no longer use that account except for the tickets that are currenrly contained in it. WEAK!
does that also mean you cant sell the ticket that are in your account?
Just got my appeal decision from TM and it was denied. I can no longer use that account except for the tickets that are currenrly contained in it. WEAK!
does that also mean you cant sell the ticket that are in your account?
Just got my appeal decision from TM and it was denied. I can no longer use that account except for the tickets that are currenrly contained in it. WEAK!
I really hope this gets fixed. This is ridiculous.
Soldier Field 7-11-95, Alpine Valley 6-26-98, United Center 6-29-98, Riverport Amphitheater (St. Louis)7-2-98, MGM Grand Arena 10-22-00, Sprint Center (Kansas City)5-3-10, Adams Event Center (Missoula)9-30-12, Wrigley Field 7-19-13, Jobing.com Arena (Phoenix)11-19-13, Moda Center (Portland)11-29-13, Spokane Arena 11-30-13, Pepsi Center (Denver)10-22-14, Gila River Arena (Phoenix)5-9-22, Moody Center (Austin)9-18-23, Moody Center 9-19-23, Rogers Arena (Vancouver)5-4-24, Rogers Arena 5-6-24, MGM Grand 5-16-24, MGM Grand 5-18-24, Wrigley Field 8-29-24, Wrigley Field 8-31-24
Just got my appeal decision from TM and it was denied. I can no longer use that account except for the tickets that are currenrly contained in it. WEAK!
Welcome to the club.
I combed through this thread. There are at least 10 of us since Friday. There just be an untold of additional 10C members and non members too.
Just got my appeal decision from TM and it was denied. I can no longer use that account except for the tickets that are currenrly contained in it. WEAK!
Welcome to the club.
I combed through this thread. There are at least 10 of us since Friday. There just be an untold of additional 10C members and non members too.
Add me to the list of banned fans. I’m 0% sure 10C will be all over this.
Pittsburgh 1998 • Pittsburgh 2006 • 2012 Isle Of Wight Festival • 2012 Made In America Festival • Baltimore 2013 • Seattle 2013 St. Paul 2014 • Mexico City 2015 • Philadelphia II 2016 • Ottawa 2016 • Amsterdam I & II 2018 • Wrigley Field II 2018 • Phoenix 2022 Apollo Theater 2022 • Chicago I 2023 • Baltimore 2024
Just got my appeal decision from TM and it was denied. I can no longer use that account except for the tickets that are currenrly contained in it. WEAK!
Welcome to the club.
I combed through this thread. There are at least 10 of us since Friday. There just be an untold of additional 10C members and non members too.
Add me to the list of banned fans. I’m 0% sure 10C will be all over this.
Currently paused for the last few days. Looking like a ban as I have never been locked out for this long. This is ridiculous and should be embarrassing for the largest ticket seller in the world.
F2F no longer works for fans. Based on the band's stated desire to keep tickets in the hands of fans and not resellers, it no longer works for them either. Time for a reset.
Just got my appeal decision from TM and it was denied. I can no longer use that account except for the tickets that are currenrly contained in it. WEAK!
Welcome to the club.
I combed through this thread. There are at least 10 of us since Friday. There just be an untold of additional 10C members and non members too.
Add me to the list of banned fans. I’m 0% sure 10C will be all over this.
Currently paused for the last few days. Looking like a ban as I have never been locked out for this long. This is ridiculous and should be embarrassing for the largest ticket seller in the world.
F2F no longer works for fans. Based on the band's stated desire to keep tickets in the hands of fans and not resellers, it no longer works for them either. Time for a reset.
My payment methods have been cleared and now state application error. I tried to sell a ticket and got an error message to contact TM support which I have. This just keeps getting worse.
Just got my appeal decision from TM and it was denied. I can no longer use that account except for the tickets that are currenrly contained in it. WEAK!
Welcome to the club.
I combed through this thread. There are at least 10 of us since Friday. There just be an untold of additional 10C members and non members too.
Add me to the list of banned fans. I’m 0% sure 10C will be all over this.
Currently paused for the last few days. Looking like a ban as I have never been locked out for this long. This is ridiculous and should be embarrassing for the largest ticket seller in the world.
F2F no longer works for fans. Based on the band's stated desire to keep tickets in the hands of fans and not resellers, it no longer works for them either. Time for a reset.
My payment methods have been cleared and now state application error. I tried to sell a ticket and got an error message to contact TM support which I have. This just keeps getting worse.
Not being able to sell tickets in F2F? That's even more messed up and completely contrary to how the band and ticketmaster stated the process would work in advance of ticket sales.
Just got my appeal decision from TM and it was denied. I can no longer use that account except for the tickets that are currenrly contained in it. WEAK!
Welcome to the club.
I combed through this thread. There are at least 10 of us since Friday. There just be an untold of additional 10C members and non members too.
Add me to the list of banned fans. I’m 0% sure 10C will be all over this.
Currently paused for the last few days. Looking like a ban as I have never been locked out for this long. This is ridiculous and should be embarrassing for the largest ticket seller in the world.
F2F no longer works for fans. Based on the band's stated desire to keep tickets in the hands of fans and not resellers, it no longer works for them either. Time for a reset.
My payment methods have been cleared and now state application error. I tried to sell a ticket and got an error message to contact TM support which I have. This just keeps getting worse.
Not being able to sell tickets in F2F? That's even more messed up and completely contrary to how the band and ticketmaster stated the process would work in advance of ticket sales.
Also check your payments for tickets you may have sold before the ban. I looked and since they remove the payment methods from the account said my payment for my sold Raleigh tickets were on hold until I add a card for the payout. But of course it wouldn’t let me add a card. So I had to call TM and manually get the process moving. I was told that they now put the payment in process. It just gets better and better.
Given the bans we've seen in this thread, there are only a few possible explanations for how so many F2F tickets are still getting bought faster than fans on this forum can buy them and ending up on StubHub for marked up prices:
1. Enterprising broker networks out there have carefully scheduled jobs to run against Ticketmaster's web layer (bots or humans) using multiple networks, devices, and accounts in a manner that allows them to blanket high-value shows without any single network, device, or domain violating the published Terms of Use in a clearly identifiable manner.
This is extremely unlikely. The buyer path is high effort and high maintenance. And there's no clear framework for Ticketmaster to enforce any sort of model that's beneficial to them.
2. Enterprising broker networks out there have scheduled jobs to run against Ticketmaster's web layer (bots or humans) using multiple networks, devices, and accounts in a manner that allows them to blanket high-value shows. They violate TM's Terms of Use but it doesn't matter because they pay for that privilege or have other agreements with TM that allow them to be whitelisted.
This is somewhat likely and probably happened frequently in the past, but any entity that wanted to go this route today would probably be better off doing something more efficient.
3. Official Ticketmaster partners are using the Ticketing API to procure tickets without even hitting the web layer.
This is by far the most likely explanation, with API customers having a simple repeatable path to ticket procurement and Ticketmaster generating revenue off partnership agreements, API calls, and potentially kickbacks on any tickets resold at markup which were procured via this route.
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What's not possible is that for nearly every F2F ticket listing at original face value, a human user previously not known to resell is coincidentally checking Ticketmaster's website as precisely the moment it gets listed (without violating TM's Terms), buys it, and then decides for the first time to resell on a 3rd party marketplace.
F2F, while it may have started off well-intentioned, is now simply a charade intended to convince fans that they're getting a fair shake. If demand is soft enough and TM-enabled brokers don't see a good enough ROI, they may let fans get a few wins after they've kept prices inflated for months by artificially constraining supply. But it's all just a ruse.
Where this gets interesting for 10c and other artists/organizations going the F2F route is "Do they know?" Are they advertising a fan-friendly price-capping mechanic for their shows with the full knowledge that Ticketmaster is actually rigging F2F to be "won" exclusively by favored partners? When those favored partners win, do the artists actually get a cut of the final sale anyway? Or did Ticketmaster effectively find a way to maintain the dynamic pricing model for F2F shows through pay-to-play without even giving the artists a cut of the "true" sale price?
To be 100% clear, I don't believe 10c would condone this at all. I don't think they have any evidence that TM is actually rigging the F2F game. And I certainly don't think they're getting a cut of resale prices. I take them at their word that PJ Premium is intended to offset the revenue they sacrifice by keeping prices lower for most of the best seats in the house. But if you were them, wouldn't you be pissed if you found out TM is still effectively marking up more of your tickets? And just cutting you out of the loop?
And isn't the potential for backlash enough for more artists to start asking questions?
Some of the biggest tours in the world are claiming to protect fans by using F2F: Pearl Jam Billie Eilish Oasis
If there was enough transparency about what's actually going on, would those artists and their management companies abide even a whiff of perception that they are complicit in the racket, and that they're claiming to be fan friendly while actually conspiring to rig the game against those same fans?
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Back on the topic of bans, it's nearly unfathomable that even a single Ticketmaster employee believes their latest policies are benefitting fans or cutting down on actual resellers. Considering the permanent bans, the appeal questionnaire, the denied appeals, the instructions to still just "create a new account", etc... this likely comes down to one of 2 causes:
1. Metrics - Ticketmaster can say they're doing something about bots, scalpers, etc... by highlighting the number of accounts they've shut down using new enforcement policies. Especially with the Taylor Swift lawsuit and all the recent noise about bots on TM, this is a sloppy bit of misdirection but it might check some boxes for them, especially with more lawsuits and congressional hearings on the horizon.
2. Revenue - Real humans with an admittedly concerning level of dedication to getting good tickets are the actual target of the enforcement. Think of this in a broader sense than just F2F. Any ticket being procured by someone who isn't part of the racket represents loss of additional downstream revenue. If you can weed out the real users who frequently employ tactics that work, you get to keep more of the best tickets, and you get incremental increase in revenue. I imagine the actual revenue to be recaptured here is minuscule in the grand scheme of things, but corporate greed knows no bounds!
Aside from those, it could just be bad luck. There could literally be one guy in the right role at Ticketmaster who is convinced that these tactics are actually effective, or someone in legal who convinced higher ups that this is critical defense for legal action. Or this may not actually be "company policy" at all, and there are just so many moving parts that some siloed group made a decision about policy enforcement, and a more reasonable higher up doesn't even know.
Not sure we'll ever know, but not sure it matters either.
This whole thing is just maddening on so many fronts.
Given the bans we've seen in this thread, there are only a few possible explanations for how so many F2F tickets are still getting bought faster than fans on this forum can buy them and ending up on StubHub for marked up prices:
1. Enterprising broker networks out there have carefully scheduled jobs to run against Ticketmaster's web layer (bots or humans) using multiple networks, devices, and accounts in a manner that allows them to blanket high-value shows without any single network, device, or domain violating the published Terms of Use in a clearly identifiable manner.
This is extremely unlikely. The buyer path is high effort and high maintenance. And there's no clear framework for Ticketmaster to enforce any sort of model that's beneficial to them.
2. Enterprising broker networks out there have scheduled jobs to run against Ticketmaster's web layer (bots or humans) using multiple networks, devices, and accounts in a manner that allows them to blanket high-value shows. They violate TM's Terms of Use but it doesn't matter because they pay for that privilege or have other agreements with TM that allow them to be whitelisted.
This is somewhat likely and probably happened frequently in the past, but any entity that wanted to go this route today would probably be better off doing something more efficient.
3. Official Ticketmaster partners are using the Ticketing API to procure tickets without even hitting the web layer.
This is by far the most likely explanation, with API customers having a simple repeatable path to ticket procurement and Ticketmaster generating revenue off partnership agreements, API calls, and potentially kickbacks on any tickets resold at markup which were procured via this route.
---
What's not possible is that for nearly every F2F ticket listing at original face value, a human user previously not known to resell is coincidentally checking Ticketmaster's website as precisely the moment it gets listed (without violating TM's Terms), buys it, and then decides for the first time to resell on a 3rd party marketplace.
F2F, while it may have started off well-intentioned, is now simply a charade intended to convince fans that they're getting a fair shake. If demand is soft enough and TM-enabled brokers don't see a good enough ROI, they may let fans get a few wins after they've kept prices inflated for months by artificially constraining supply. But it's all just a ruse.
Where this gets interesting for 10c and other artists/organizations going the F2F route is "Do they know?" Are they advertising a fan-friendly price-capping mechanic for their shows with the full knowledge that Ticketmaster is actually rigging F2F to be "won" exclusively by favored partners? When those favored partners win, do the artists actually get a cut of the final sale anyway? Or did Ticketmaster effectively find a way to maintain the dynamic pricing model for F2F shows through pay-to-play without even giving the artists a cut of the "true" sale price?
To be 100% clear, I don't believe 10c would condone this at all. I don't think they have any evidence that TM is actually rigging the F2F game. And I certainly don't think they're getting a cut of resale prices. I take them at their word that PJ Premium is intended to offset the revenue they sacrifice by keeping prices lower for most of the best seats in the house. But if you were them, wouldn't you be pissed if you found out TM is still effectively marking up more of your tickets? And just cutting you out of the loop?
And isn't the potential for backlash enough for more artists to start asking questions?
Some of the biggest tours in the world are claiming to protect fans by using F2F: Pearl Jam Billie Eilish Oasis
If there was enough transparency about what's actually going on, would those artists and their management companies abide even a whiff of perception that they are complicit in the racket, and that they're claiming to be fan friendly while actually conspiring to rig the game against those same fans?
---
Back on the topic of bans, it's nearly unfathomable that even a single Ticketmaster employee believes their latest policies are benefitting fans or cutting down on actual resellers. Considering the permanent bans, the appeal questionnaire, the denied appeals, the instructions to still just "create a new account", etc... this likely comes down to one of 2 causes:
1. Metrics - Ticketmaster can say they're doing something about bots, scalpers, etc... by highlighting the number of accounts they've shut down using new enforcement policies. Especially with the Taylor Swift lawsuit and all the recent noise about bots on TM, this is a sloppy bit of misdirection but it might check some boxes for them, especially with more lawsuits and congressional hearings on the horizon.
2. Revenue - Real humans with an admittedly concerning level of dedication to getting good tickets are the actual target of the enforcement. Think of this in a broader sense than just F2F. Any ticket being procured by someone who isn't part of the racket represents loss of additional downstream revenue. If you can weed out the real users who frequently employ tactics that work, you get to keep more of the best tickets, and you get incremental increase in revenue. I imagine the actual revenue to be recaptured here is minuscule in the grand scheme of things, but corporate greed knows no bounds!
Aside from those, it could just be bad luck. There could literally be one guy in the right role at Ticketmaster who is convinced that these tactics are actually effective, or someone in legal who convinced higher ups that this is critical defense for legal action. Or this may not actually be "company policy" at all, and there are just so many moving parts that some siloed group made a decision about policy enforcement, and a more reasonable higher up doesn't even know.
Not sure we'll ever know, but not sure it matters either.
This whole thing is just maddening on so many fronts.
Scenario 3 is pretty explosive! Wouldn't surprise me at all. Seems like something the press or govt agencies should investigate
Wanted to share this recent TM experience with DMB tickets. I had bought tix but then found a better pair. I saw other verified fan tickets for sale (they were all premium resales) but I just assumed it was similar to PJs F2F so I bought the upgrades figuring I’d be able to just list the other pair.
When I tried to go list the other tickets it then told me ticket resale has not been turned on for this event. But you could literally see the other resale tickets. I started up a chat and this was the response I was given:
Which is either total bull shit or they were turning the option to sell on and off ONLY for premium tickets. It’s just another example of the corruption and I wish we as fans had some type of option to fight back.
It occurred to me today. Im sure everyone else has noticed that besides the lack of scoring any tickets the lack of drops is also evident. I believe this is due to the third party skimmers getting access to the tickets even before they reach the web API. When we post a ticket for sale we get an email that our ticket sale is live... It's about 2 -4 minutes later that the ticket appears on the website first in the list then 30-60 seconds later the map. I have seen some that would be appear on the list but no red dot ever appears on the map ( this sell that fast before the map can update with the tickets showing there) . What is the same could be true for the list. The way the web scans in intervals to pick new data to populate the sales fields, if sale happens so quickly that the data is not picked up because the tickets are no longer flagged as available for sale, and we never see it... I have been on drops, where someone says they putting X tickets up and I would refresh refresh refresh and someone would report they lost em or whatever, and my browser never saw them. I figured it was just me and my page was not refreshing or I Fed up..
Im about to the point where I say F this whole tour and sit it out. Im already canceling Raleigh, and just doing Nashville ( have good tickets) .. This is not an F 10c I didn't get what wanted and I'm canceling my membership garbage. This whole thing is putting a stain on feelings about the band and the music I love. I do not want to feel hate, anxiety and depression over a band that I love to NOT feel those feelings. It's 1am on Christmas morning and I cant sleep thinking about how this is Fucking me and my friends over.
Funny I just watched a YouTube of my first "full" PJ concert .. 1995 July 9th Milwaukee, WI.. (SF 7 song red mosquito was first show) .. and Eddie went on a rant about TM and Scalpers taking his fans money... Eddie, we need 1995 Eddie back.. In 1995 the issue was over 20 dollars in fees added to each ticket.. how great would that be if that were the case here..
Carroll, Guido & Groffman LLP is the law firm that represents Pearl Jam. Elliot Groffman, a partner at the firm, also represents the Dave Matthews Band
I will send connection requests for all listed people at CG&G LLP on Thursday. I will continue to send in-mails until someone replies.
www.ccgglaw.com.
Carroll Guido Groffman Cohen Bar & Karalian, LLP is a law firm that focuses on music and new media law. They represent clients in the music industry, including established and up-and-coming artists. The firm is known for its commitment to gender equality, with an equal number of male and female attorneys.
The firm's head office is located at 1790 Broadway, 20th Floor, New York, New York, NY 10019. Their phone number is +1 212 759 2300 and their fax number is +1 212 759 9556.
Carroll, Guido & Groffman LLP is the law firm that represents Pearl Jam. Elliot Groffman, a partner at the firm, also represents the Dave Matthews Band
I will send connection requests for all listed people at CG&G LLP on Thursday. I will continue to send in-mails until someone replies.
www.ccgglaw.com.
Carroll Guido Groffman Cohen Bar & Karalian, LLP is a law firm that focuses on music and new media law. They represent clients in the music industry, including established and up-and-coming artists. The firm is known for its commitment to gender equality, with an equal number of male and female attorneys.
The firm's head office is located at 1790 Broadway, 20th Floor, New York, New York, NY 10019. Their phone number is +1 212 759 2300 and their fax number is +1 212 759 9556.
I have send a connection request.. we need to all send one so she becomes aware.
who has media connections?
Lets Go!
Appreciate you doing this, but I imagine they will just flip it back and say it’s a Ticketmaster thing and they can’t help
10C basically runs their own merch (even most of that is outsourced to TSURT) and outsources any and all other operations at this point. Hell, it was even too difficult for them to manage two different membership tiers, so they cut that as well.
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I combed through this thread. There are at least 10 of us since Friday. There just be an untold of additional 10C members and non members too.
St. Paul 2014 • Mexico City 2015 • Philadelphia II 2016 • Ottawa 2016 • Amsterdam I & II 2018 • Wrigley Field II 2018 • Phoenix 2022
Apollo Theater 2022 • Chicago I 2023 • Baltimore 2024
F2F no longer works for fans. Based on the band's stated desire to keep tickets in the hands of fans and not resellers, it no longer works for them either. Time for a reset.
And here's a Wired article on the latest TSwift RICO lawsuit against Ticketmaster: https://www.wired.com/story/taylor-swift-fans-sue-ticketmaster-lawsuit-rico/
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Given the bans we've seen in this thread, there are only a few possible explanations for how so many F2F tickets are still getting bought faster than fans on this forum can buy them and ending up on StubHub for marked up prices:
1. Enterprising broker networks out there have carefully scheduled jobs to run against Ticketmaster's web layer (bots or humans) using multiple networks, devices, and accounts in a manner that allows them to blanket high-value shows without any single network, device, or domain violating the published Terms of Use in a clearly identifiable manner.
This is extremely unlikely. The buyer path is high effort and high maintenance. And there's no clear framework for Ticketmaster to enforce any sort of model that's beneficial to them.
2. Enterprising broker networks out there have scheduled jobs to run against Ticketmaster's web layer (bots or humans) using multiple networks, devices, and accounts in a manner that allows them to blanket high-value shows. They violate TM's Terms of Use but it doesn't matter because they pay for that privilege or have other agreements with TM that allow them to be whitelisted.
This is somewhat likely and probably happened frequently in the past, but any entity that wanted to go this route today would probably be better off doing something more efficient.
3. Official Ticketmaster partners are using the Ticketing API to procure tickets without even hitting the web layer.
This is by far the most likely explanation, with API customers having a simple repeatable path to ticket procurement and Ticketmaster generating revenue off partnership agreements, API calls, and potentially kickbacks on any tickets resold at markup which were procured via this route.
---
What's not possible is that for nearly every F2F ticket listing at original face value, a human user previously not known to resell is coincidentally checking Ticketmaster's website as precisely the moment it gets listed (without violating TM's Terms), buys it, and then decides for the first time to resell on a 3rd party marketplace.
F2F, while it may have started off well-intentioned, is now simply a charade intended to convince fans that they're getting a fair shake. If demand is soft enough and TM-enabled brokers don't see a good enough ROI, they may let fans get a few wins after they've kept prices inflated for months by artificially constraining supply. But it's all just a ruse.
Where this gets interesting for 10c and other artists/organizations going the F2F route is "Do they know?" Are they advertising a fan-friendly price-capping mechanic for their shows with the full knowledge that Ticketmaster is actually rigging F2F to be "won" exclusively by favored partners? When those favored partners win, do the artists actually get a cut of the final sale anyway? Or did Ticketmaster effectively find a way to maintain the dynamic pricing model for F2F shows through pay-to-play without even giving the artists a cut of the "true" sale price?
To be 100% clear, I don't believe 10c would condone this at all. I don't think they have any evidence that TM is actually rigging the F2F game. And I certainly don't think they're getting a cut of resale prices. I take them at their word that PJ Premium is intended to offset the revenue they sacrifice by keeping prices lower for most of the best seats in the house. But if you were them, wouldn't you be pissed if you found out TM is still effectively marking up more of your tickets? And just cutting you out of the loop?
And isn't the potential for backlash enough for more artists to start asking questions?
Some of the biggest tours in the world are claiming to protect fans by using F2F:
Pearl Jam
Billie Eilish
Oasis
If there was enough transparency about what's actually going on, would those artists and their management companies abide even a whiff of perception that they are complicit in the racket, and that they're claiming to be fan friendly while actually conspiring to rig the game against those same fans?
---
Back on the topic of bans, it's nearly unfathomable that even a single Ticketmaster employee believes their latest policies are benefitting fans or cutting down on actual resellers. Considering the permanent bans, the appeal questionnaire, the denied appeals, the instructions to still just "create a new account", etc... this likely comes down to one of 2 causes:
1. Metrics - Ticketmaster can say they're doing something about bots, scalpers, etc... by highlighting the number of accounts they've shut down using new enforcement policies. Especially with the Taylor Swift lawsuit and all the recent noise about bots on TM, this is a sloppy bit of misdirection but it might check some boxes for them, especially with more lawsuits and congressional hearings on the horizon.
2. Revenue - Real humans with an admittedly concerning level of dedication to getting good tickets are the actual target of the enforcement. Think of this in a broader sense than just F2F. Any ticket being procured by someone who isn't part of the racket represents loss of additional downstream revenue. If you can weed out the real users who frequently employ tactics that work, you get to keep more of the best tickets, and you get incremental increase in revenue. I imagine the actual revenue to be recaptured here is minuscule in the grand scheme of things, but corporate greed knows no bounds!
Aside from those, it could just be bad luck. There could literally be one guy in the right role at Ticketmaster who is convinced that these tactics are actually effective, or someone in legal who convinced higher ups that this is critical defense for legal action. Or this may not actually be "company policy" at all, and there are just so many moving parts that some siloed group made a decision about policy enforcement, and a more reasonable higher up doesn't even know.
Not sure we'll ever know, but not sure it matters either.
This whole thing is just maddening on so many fronts.
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Which is either total bull shit or they were turning the option to sell on and off ONLY for premium tickets. It’s just another example of the corruption and I wish we as fans had some type of option to fight back.
Im about to the point where I say F this whole tour and sit it out. Im already canceling Raleigh, and just doing Nashville ( have good tickets) .. This is not an F 10c I didn't get what wanted and I'm canceling my membership garbage. This whole thing is putting a stain on feelings about the band and the music I love. I do not want to feel hate, anxiety and depression over a band that I love to NOT feel those feelings. It's 1am on Christmas morning and I cant sleep thinking about how this is Fucking me and my friends over.
Funny I just watched a YouTube of my first "full" PJ concert .. 1995 July 9th Milwaukee, WI.. (SF 7 song red mosquito was first show) .. and Eddie went on a rant about TM and Scalpers taking his fans money... Eddie, we need 1995 Eddie back.. In 1995 the issue was over 20 dollars in fees added to each ticket.. how great would that be if that were the case here..
https://www.linkedin.com/company/carroll-guido-&-groffman-llp/about/
I will send connection requests for all listed people at CG&G LLP on Thursday. I will continue to send in-mails until someone replies.
Anyone know Sarah Seller -
Publicity and Marketing Manager for Pearl Jam and Monkeywrench Records
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-seiler-31766b62/
I have send a connection request.. we need to all send one so she becomes aware.
who has media connections?
Lets Go!
10C basically runs their own merch (even most of that is outsourced to TSURT) and outsources any and all other operations at this point. Hell, it was even too difficult for them to manage two different membership tiers, so they cut that as well.
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore