The conspiracy theorists are out after this draw! This is how it’s been the last few draws. It’s obviously not fair, but whatever is messed up with the algorithm, Pearl Jam doesn’t seem to give a shit. I actually think this draw was more “fair” than the last one. This draw I’ve seen people go 1-4, 2-5. Last draw it was, you got every show you put in for or NOTHING at all. At least this time some people got at least 1 or two shows. Sucks that so many people got nothing still. Shouldn’t work that way.
The stoppages and restarts during the Raleigh draw were odd. It did seem to me that the type of results we saw changed from almost universal GA N1/RES N2 early on to multiple GAs for both nights after the restart. Just what I saw.
I'm starting to think that a "true" lottery is not being used for the draws. It doesn't seem that they are randomly drawing members continuously until the allotment is complete. From the comments posted and the results, my impression is they are just taking the list of entrants in order of submission and picking a starting # and filling sequentially from there, with a new starting # draw for each show. Seems like the best results were from people who registered later in the signup window vs people who signed up immediately.
Raleigh in 2016 had 99% odds. Everyone that put in for RES for that show won it. Now there are two shows when they couldn't even fill the 10C ticket allotment in 2016. They couldn't even fill GA for that show with first priority. The demand was so low.
You are now telling me with 10C getting more tickets than ever (nosebleeds) I can go 0/4 with Raleigh? I don't believe its' possible. I believe my and my wife's account were not even considered for the draw. Missing the hard to get Pitts and Hollywood sure I get that but missing Raleigh on top of that does not make any sense. I have other friends that had the exact same thing happen.
Raleigh in 2016 was one of 20+ shows up the East Coast, with a different lottery system. I don't think you can compare those results to this tour.
"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
I'm starting to think that a "true" lottery is not being used for the draws. It doesn't seem that they are randomly drawing members continuously until the allotment is complete. From the comments posted and the results, my impression is they are just taking the list of entrants in order of submission and picking a starting # and filling sequentially from there, with a new starting # draw for each show. Seems like the best results were from people who registered later in the signup window vs people who signed up immediately.
I signed up within 15 minutes and got GA for Pitt. Similar results last lottery as well. I can't help but sign up instantly.
Wrigley 7/19/2013 Philadelphia 10/22/2013 Baltimore 10/27/2013 Hampton 4/18/2016 Ft. Worth 9/13/2023 Ft. Worth 9/15/2023 Wrigley 8/31/2024 Baltimore 9/12/2024 Fenway 9/15/2024
Raleigh in 2016 had 99% odds. Everyone that put in for RES for that show won it. Now there are two shows when they couldn't even fill the 10C ticket allotment in 2016. They couldn't even fill GA for that show with first priority. The demand was so low.
You are now telling me with 10C getting more tickets than ever (nosebleeds) I can go 0/4 with Raleigh? I don't believe its' possible. I believe my and my wife's account were not even considered for the draw. Missing the hard to get Pitts and Hollywood sure I get that but missing Raleigh on top of that does not make any sense. I have other friends that had the exact same thing happen.
Raleigh in 2016 was one of 20+ shows up the East Coast, with a different lottery system. I don't think you can compare those results to this tour.
True but they also added a show making it even better odds on hitting something. The demand had not gone up enough that we went from a guarantee pick to not being able to hit with 4 tries. And then miss out on all other shows too. I don’t believe it’s possible personally.
Wondering if the lottery is at least partially tied to your address? Tried to get Philly tix last year via the lottery and got shut out(used to live in the Philly area so planned to fly back for the show). I live in FL now.
How many people put in for Raleigh? How many won? It would not be that difficult to give us that info. Also give me a heads up if something was flagged on my account or my wife's that prevented us from getting tickets.
Tell us how the lotto works. Do they in fact do it show by show with GA being filled first like they did in the past and then RES or are they really picking a request number and giving everyone everything they want and the people that are on the backside of that number will end up with nothing.
They took priority away from us they took odds away from us they took GA only away from us and now we need to just put our faith its a fair system. Those things I just mentioned helped us prove the lotto was fairly done. Now we have nothing. Pretty frustrating to be honest.
They messed up priority bad in 2023. We were able to catch it as fans on this board and 10C made the change and redid the lotto which was a great thing to do. It was still messed up but at least they tried. Now we just take whatever they give us and people just say its a lotto what do you expect. I expect to win at least one RES for Raleigh out of 4 tries. There is no way the demand for that show is so great I would miss out on it that many times based of previous demand for these shows. I just dont believe it.
If I am wrong and the demand was there enough to have me miss all 4 shows then they have broken the lotto allowing people put in for shows that have no desire to even go to gambling on GA and just having fan to fan to throw the tickets back to. I dont expect a response from 10C on this but it does not take a rocket scientist to see this is a broken system for some fans.
Do you have 4 accounts? Or did you go 0/2?
And, I think there is overwhelming evidence that the draw is member-by-member and not show-by-show. The wording of the pre-sale announcement indicates it, and the results bear it out. Yes, people are simply putting in for all shows and selling what they don't want. Yes, their number might get drawn before your numbers.
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"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
Reserved used to be easier to get because back than there were alot of GA or bust people only. Allowing F2F while has its benefits allows people to be more risky with going to shows. I know I put in for 6 and was going to decide where/if I was going depending on what I got. It’s the system now, I would have rather set my priorities for the things I really wanted.
How many people put in for Raleigh? How many won? It would not be that difficult to give us that info. Also give me a heads up if something was flagged on my account or my wife's that prevented us from getting tickets.
Tell us how the lotto works. Do they in fact do it show by show with GA being filled first like they did in the past and then RES or are they really picking a request number and giving everyone everything they want and the people that are on the backside of that number will end up with nothing.
They took priority away from us they took odds away from us they took GA only away from us and now we need to just put our faith its a fair system. Those things I just mentioned helped us prove the lotto was fairly done. Now we have nothing. Pretty frustrating to be honest.
They messed up priority bad in 2023. We were able to catch it as fans on this board and 10C made the change and redid the lotto which was a great thing to do. It was still messed up but at least they tried. Now we just take whatever they give us and people just say its a lotto what do you expect. I expect to win at least one RES for Raleigh out of 4 tries. There is no way the demand for that show is so great I would miss out on it that many times based of previous demand for these shows. I just dont believe it.
If I am wrong and the demand was there enough to have me miss all 4 shows then they have broken the lotto allowing people put in for shows that have no desire to even go to gambling on GA and just having fan to fan to throw the tickets back to. I dont expect a response from 10C on this but it does not take a rocket scientist to see this is a broken system for some fans.
Do you have 4 accounts? I think you went 0/2.
And, I think there is overwhelming evidence that the draw is member-by-member and not show-by-show. The wording of the pre-sale announcement indicates it, and the results bear it out. Yes, people are simply putting in for all shows and selling what they don't want. Yes, their number might get drawn before your numbers.
Some people won only one with Raleigh So yes, I went 0-4 With two accounts
I'm starting to think that a "true" lottery is not being used for the draws. It doesn't seem that they are randomly drawing members continuously until the allotment is complete. From the comments posted and the results, my impression is they are just taking the list of entrants in order of submission and picking a starting # and filling sequentially from there, with a new starting # draw for each show. Seems like the best results were from people who registered later in the signup window vs people who signed up immediately.
To me it is extremely unlikely that they are drawing show by show (or even ticket groupings i.e. GA/Res within a show) like they did in the past.
There have been way too many people that have won GA for multiple (sometimes 3-4) shows for that to be the case. Given the historical odds we have been given for GA that is just outside the bounds of statistical possibility. With the caveat that we do NOT truly have the data to know this.
My best guess is that each entry is randomly assigned a #, then they pick a show/ticket type and start from the beginning of the list of #s and give out tickets to entries that requested that ticket type until they are out of tickets. That would explain why we are seeing a lot more "feast" and "famine" then we used to. The timing bit is interesting, but likely anecdotal / random.
Wondering if the lottery is at least partially tied to your address? Tried to get Philly tix last year via the lottery and got shut out(used to live in the Philly area so planned to fly back for the show). I live in FL now.
I got shut out for the United Center and live a 10min walk away so I doubt it
10C # is 733xxx. I've got tickets for every show that I've put in for, although I haven't got chosen for GA tickets yet, either. Reserved for N2 St. Paul and N2 Ft. Worth in 2023. Reserved for N1 Vegas and both Wrigley shows in 2024. Reserved for both Nashville's and both Pittsburgh's in 2025.
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I feel like the Artist Presale is just a way of Ticketmaster seeing how many people sign up to a given show, so they can gauge how big the demand is so they can sell the tickets at the highest prices based on demand…
How many people put in for Raleigh? How many won? It would not be that difficult to give us that info. Also give me a heads up if something was flagged on my account or my wife's that prevented us from getting tickets.
Tell us how the lotto works. Do they in fact do it show by show with GA being filled first like they did in the past and then RES or are they really picking a request number and giving everyone everything they want and the people that are on the backside of that number will end up with nothing.
They took priority away from us they took odds away from us they took GA only away from us and now we need to just put our faith its a fair system. Those things I just mentioned helped us prove the lotto was fairly done. Now we have nothing. Pretty frustrating to be honest.
They messed up priority bad in 2023. We were able to catch it as fans on this board and 10C made the change and redid the lotto which was a great thing to do. It was still messed up but at least they tried. Now we just take whatever they give us and people just say its a lotto what do you expect. I expect to win at least one RES for Raleigh out of 4 tries. There is no way the demand for that show is so great I would miss out on it that many times based of previous demand for these shows. I just dont believe it.
If I am wrong and the demand was there enough to have me miss all 4 shows then they have broken the lotto allowing people put in for shows that have no desire to even go to gambling on GA and just having fan to fan to throw the tickets back to. I dont expect a response from 10C on this but it does not take a rocket scientist to see this is a broken system for some fans.
Do you have 4 accounts? I think you went 0/2.
And, I think there is overwhelming evidence that the draw is member-by-member and not show-by-show. The wording of the pre-sale announcement indicates it, and the results bear it out. Yes, people are simply putting in for all shows and selling what they don't want. Yes, their number might get drawn before your numbers.
Some people won only one with Raleigh So yes, I went 0-4 With two accounts
They put in for two tickets and only won a single?
Either way, 0/2 or 0/4 (while many hit 100%) would be highly unlikely with a show-by-show draw, which means it's probably not a show-by-show draw.
"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
I feel like the Artist Presale is just a way of Ticketmaster seeing how many people sign up to a given show, so they can gauge how big the demand is so they can sell the tickets at the highest prices based on demand…
I'm sure the number of folks registering factors into their PJ Premium pricing algorithm.
I'm starting to think that a "true" lottery is not being used for the draws. It doesn't seem that they are randomly drawing members continuously until the allotment is complete. From the comments posted and the results, my impression is they are just taking the list of entrants in order of submission and picking a starting # and filling sequentially from there, with a new starting # draw for each show. Seems like the best results were from people who registered later in the signup window vs people who signed up immediately.
I registered for Nashville N1 & N2 on the very last day of eligibility, and I got both. I'm not so sure that order of submission had anything to do with it.
Maybe some folks don't see a lot of shows outside of PJ, but if you've been buying tickets post pandemic, it is very clear that demand has increased exponentially. A lot of folks got the FOMO bug post pandemic, and shows by popular acts, ESPECIALLY legacy acts, across the industry have seen significantly increased demand.
Another factor is that Gen Xers, the overwhelming majority of PJ fans, now are by and large empty nesters with more disposable income than they did 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc. If you're in any of the PJ facebook groups, 3 out of every 4 posts is from someone who has been a fan for 30 years but couldn't ever see the band before because of kids/jobs/money/time/etc. They are all in the market now, with the pandemic kick in the ass that this might all go away again, and maybe for more than just 18 months.
Do you see how many people are paying $500+ to see AC/DC in 2024? A band that hasn't been popular in, I dunno, at least 30 years. Oasis barely filled theaters the last time they were in the US, now they are filling football stadiums.
The market has drastically changed, and as pointed out above several times, PJ plays a tiny fraction of the shows they used to play. Increased demand, decreased supply. I know its human nature to think you've been screwed if a fellow human has what you do not, but its just numbers.
My 10C number is 763XXX. This was the first lottery I've entered, went 2/4. Florida N2 GA and Nashville N1 RES. I submitted my request the evening of the first night open for entries.
Not an expert here, but it does seem that demand is likely higher, given that there are only 10 shows and possibly fewer seats reserved for 10C than in the past.
2014: St. Louis 10/3 2024: Wrigley 8/31, Fenway 9/17
Maybe some folks don't see a lot of shows outside of PJ, but if you've been buying tickets post pandemic, it is very clear that demand has increased exponentially. A lot of folks got the FOMO bug post pandemic, and shows by popular acts, ESPECIALLY legacy acts, across the industry have seen significantly increased demand.
Another factor is that Gen Xers, the overwhelming majority of PJ fans, now are by and large empty nesters with more disposable income than they did 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc. If you're in any of the PJ facebook groups, 3 out of every 4 posts is from someone who has been a fan for 30 years but couldn't ever see the band before because of kids/jobs/money/time/etc. They are all in the market now, with the pandemic kick in the ass that this might all go away again, and maybe for more than just 18 months.
Do you see how many people are paying $500+ to see AC/DC in 2024? A band that hasn't been popular in, I dunno, at least 30 years. Oasis barely filled theaters the last time they were in the US, now they are filling football stadiums.
The market has drastically changed, and as pointed out above several times, PJ plays a tiny fraction of the shows they used to play. Increased demand, decreased supply. I know its human nature to think you've been screwed if a fellow human has what you do not, but its just numbers.
These are all very valid points. Not to mention they just put out a fantastic new album, and there may be a group of folks who have renewed interest.
IMO there should be priority in place and limited to two tickets per household for a show, not per account, and a max of few shows that could be won. Maybe they are way fewer 10c tickets this go around? That plus people putting in for shows they won't attend, plus multiple accounts, etc. No wonder 10c likes this system. Sells loads of memberships, shows sell out, and they don't have to do much with Ticketmaster handling the draw. Personally, none of these places looked remotely interesting to travel to, but I wish I could attend with an easy flight or driving option.
Maybe some folks don't see a lot of shows outside of PJ, but if you've been buying tickets post pandemic, it is very clear that demand has increased exponentially. A lot of folks got the FOMO bug post pandemic, and shows by popular acts, ESPECIALLY legacy acts, across the industry have seen significantly increased demand.
Another factor is that Gen Xers, the overwhelming majority of PJ fans, now are by and large empty nesters with more disposable income than they did 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc. If you're in any of the PJ facebook groups, 3 out of every 4 posts is from someone who has been a fan for 30 years but couldn't ever see the band before because of kids/jobs/money/time/etc. They are all in the market now, with the pandemic kick in the ass that this might all go away again, and maybe for more than just 18 months.
Do you see how many people are paying $500+ to see AC/DC in 2024? A band that hasn't been popular in, I dunno, at least 30 years. Oasis barely filled theaters the last time they were in the US, now they are filling football stadiums.
The market has drastically changed, and as pointed out above several times, PJ plays a tiny fraction of the shows they used to play. Increased demand, decreased supply. I know its human nature to think you've been screwed if a fellow human has what you do not, but its just numbers.
System of a Down and Oasis are selling out stadiums. What a world.
I don't think they should put hard limits on the number of shows you can be pulled for or anything like that. They gotta sell tickets first and foremost. The prioritization really was the sweet spot.
I'm starting to think that a "true" lottery is not being used for the draws. It doesn't seem that they are randomly drawing members continuously until the allotment is complete. From the comments posted and the results, my impression is they are just taking the list of entrants in order of submission and picking a starting # and filling sequentially from there, with a new starting # draw for each show. Seems like the best results were from people who registered later in the signup window vs people who signed up immediately.
I registered for Nashville N1 & N2 on the very last day of eligibility, and I got both. I'm not so sure that order of submission had anything to do with it.
And I signed up the minute the lottery opened, and got both. I don't think the order of submission had anything to do with anything.
There's so little transparency in this club in regard to almost every aspect, so I don't foresee them EVER disclosing how the lottery truly works - all we can do is assume GA is drawn first, followed by reserve, on a show by show basis. And that it's all completely random, even if some results seem to pull that into question. We don't know how many 10c members there even are. We don't know how many of those people entered the lottery. We don't know the average amount of shows a member signed up for. We don't know how many tickets per show were allocated. Even just simply announcing how many members signed up for each show vs how many tickets were available would be a great olive branch in terms of some miniscule amount of transparency and reasoning.
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There's so little transparency in this club in regard to almost every aspect, so I don't foresee them EVER disclosing how the lottery truly works - all we can do is assume GA is drawn first, followed by reserve, on a show by show basis. And that it's all completely random, even if some results seem to pull that into question. We don't know how many 10c members there even are. We don't know how many of those people entered the lottery. We don't know the average amount of shows a member signed up for. We don't know how many tickets per show were allocated. Even just simply announcing how many members signed up for each show vs how many tickets were available would be a great olive branch in terms of some miniscule amount of transparency and reasoning.
I swear that I read it was random. I choose to believe them since nothing else seems to make sense.
Maybe some folks don't see a lot of shows outside of PJ, but if you've been buying tickets post pandemic, it is very clear that demand has increased exponentially. A lot of folks got the FOMO bug post pandemic, and shows by popular acts, ESPECIALLY legacy acts, across the industry have seen significantly increased demand.
Another factor is that Gen Xers, the overwhelming majority of PJ fans, now are by and large empty nesters with more disposable income than they did 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc. If you're in any of the PJ facebook groups, 3 out of every 4 posts is from someone who has been a fan for 30 years but couldn't ever see the band before because of kids/jobs/money/time/etc. They are all in the market now, with the pandemic kick in the ass that this might all go away again, and maybe for more than just 18 months.
Do you see how many people are paying $500+ to see AC/DC in 2024? A band that hasn't been popular in, I dunno, at least 30 years. Oasis barely filled theaters the last time they were in the US, now they are filling football stadiums.
The market has drastically changed, and as pointed out above several times, PJ plays a tiny fraction of the shows they used to play. Increased demand, decreased supply. I know its human nature to think you've been screwed if a fellow human has what you do not, but its just numbers.
System of a Down and Oasis are selling out stadiums. What a world.
SOAD just added second nights at each stadium show as well. Crazy. Still, both can be true. People may be underestimating demand, but that doesn't mean the lottery wasn't also screwed up.
These results do speak to true randomness. Aside from the Raleigh make-up thing and maybe they shut down double accounts.
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I actually think this draw was more “fair” than the last one. This draw I’ve seen people go 1-4, 2-5. Last draw it was, you got every show you put in for or NOTHING at all. At least this time some people got at least 1 or two shows. Sucks that so many people got nothing still. Shouldn’t work that way.
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Hampton 4/18/2016
Ft. Worth 9/13/2023
Ft. Worth 9/15/2023
Wrigley 8/31/2024
Baltimore 9/12/2024
Fenway 9/15/2024
Wondering if the lottery is at least partially tied to your address? Tried to get Philly tix last year via the lottery and got shut out(used to live in the Philly area so planned to fly back for the show). I live in FL now.
And, I think there is overwhelming evidence that the draw is member-by-member and not show-by-show. The wording of the pre-sale announcement indicates it, and the results bear it out. Yes, people are simply putting in for all shows and selling what they don't want. Yes, their number might get drawn before your numbers.
Hartford 10.02.96 | Mansfield 2 09.16.98 | Mansfield 1 08.29.00 | Mansfield 1 07.02.03 | Mansfield 3 07.11.03 | Boston 2 05.25.06 | Tampa 04.11.16 | Fenway 1 08.05.16 | Fenway 2 08.07.16 | Fenway 1 09.02.18 | Fenway 2 09.04.18 | Baltimore 03.28.20 | Hamilton 09.06.22 | Toronto 09.08.22 | Nashville 09.16.22 | St Louis 09.18.22 | Baltimore 09.12.24 | Fenway 1 09.15.24 | Fenway 2 09.17.24
"He made the deal with the devil, we get to play with him.
He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
It’s the system now, I would have rather set my priorities for the things I really wanted.
There have been way too many people that have won GA for multiple (sometimes 3-4) shows for that to be the case. Given the historical odds we have been given for GA that is just outside the bounds of statistical possibility. With the caveat that we do NOT truly have the data to know this.
My best guess is that each entry is randomly assigned a #, then they pick a show/ticket type and start from the beginning of the list of #s and give out tickets to entries that requested that ticket type until they are out of tickets. That would explain why we are seeing a lot more "feast" and "famine" then we used to. The timing bit is interesting, but likely anecdotal / random.
Reserved for N2 St. Paul and N2 Ft. Worth in 2023.
Reserved for N1 Vegas and both Wrigley shows in 2024.
Reserved for both Nashville's and both Pittsburgh's in 2025.
Oklahoma City, OK (2022)
St. Paul, MN N2 (2023)
Ft. Worth, TX N2 (2023)
Las Vegas, NV N1 (2024)
Chicago, IL N1 and N2 (2024)
Either way, 0/2 or 0/4 (while many hit 100%) would be highly unlikely with a show-by-show draw, which means it's probably not a show-by-show draw.
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He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
Not an expert here, but it does seem that demand is likely higher, given that there are only 10 shows and possibly fewer seats reserved for 10C than in the past.
2024: Wrigley 8/31, Fenway 9/17
We don't know how many 10c members there even are. We don't know how many of those people entered the lottery. We don't know the average amount of shows a member signed up for. We don't know how many tickets per show were allocated. Even just simply announcing how many members signed up for each show vs how many tickets were available would be a great olive branch in terms of some miniscule amount of transparency and reasoning.
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