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ceska

I thought there would be more love for Patriot. When I began collecting bootlegs in the late 1990s one of the first shows I got was Bridge School 1992 which has that song. So I've always considered it one of their quintessential covers.

on2legs

If Ed played Patriot and then the band came out and they played Pearl Jam songs it would have been fine.  Patriot is a good cover and probably very relevant to today.  The probable was the Just Breathe into the GH duet and then followed up by another cover.  The show flows better when Ed keeps it to one solo song. 

nicknyr15

on2legs said:

If Ed played Patriot and then the band came out and they played Pearl Jam songs it would have been fine.  Patriot is a good cover and probably very relevant to today.  The probable was the Just Breathe into the GH duet and then followed up by another cover.  The show flows better when Ed keeps it to one solo song. 

It’ll go down as one of the worst decisions he ever made for a setlist imo. 

mcgruff10

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

If Ed played Patriot and then the band came out and they played Pearl Jam songs it would have been fine.  Patriot is a good cover and probably very relevant to today.  The probable was the Just Breathe into the GH duet and then followed up by another cover.  The show flows better when Ed keeps it to one solo song. 

It’ll go down as one of the worst decisions he ever made for a setlist imo. 

Totally agree. I can see why the band argued about it.  

THEBIBLEISTEN

Lerxst1992 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Lerxst1992 said:

kosteva2 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

nicknyr15 said:

yosi said:

Been thinking about it, but honestly, I’m thrilled with the two MSG shows. 52 songs, only seven repeats (4 from the new album they are touring!) Band sounded great. Not sure what else there is to say. 

I agree. It’s just after that main set the thought of “what could’ve been” inevitably crept into my mind. And I legit was losing patience during the encore. I hate covers so it was a nightmare for me. But I would totally get if other people loved it. 

The grass is always greener. Sometimes they do add that one song or two and it feels a bit contrived or out of place. I kind of felt that way about Leash. At this point it is what it is. Starting on stools, slow encores etc. I loved that Patriot. I was hoping to hear Rats. Oh well. There is not one song on that list I did not enjoy.

It may be just a coincidence but Patriot (given all the other political tunes) had the feel of a personal response to the heckling Ed got about his political talk. I agree with Patriots message 100%, but just don’t love the tune. I don’t think Bruce covers it, and it’s weird that PJ plays it. Doesn’t feel at all like a PJ tune or that I am even at a PJ show when he sings it. To play a song because that artist is in the crowd, ok I get it, but it’s not a good policy for setlist construction. If it must be there, one of the other political tunes had to go and be replaced by a PJ banger at that point.

Now had they instead banged out Why Go at that slot, the place would have exploded, EXPLODED!, and all the talk of a lackluster encore here would not exist. Why Go has to be a top five crowd enthusiasm song, yet it did not make the MSG stage, while five covers N2 did. Strange decisions.

i appreciate Ed’s politics and how he stands up to the bizarre elements of American politics since 2015, but it’s a double edged sword. When he gets too into it, and uses either the D or R word (which he did) the Pearl Jam Live Show Magic loses its luster in that moment. Definitely took N2  down a peg. Still, great to see them twice in our hometown after so many years. Very Grateful.

 

Took me back to the Ralph Nader rally. It was not a coincidence IMHO. Ed will always say something about the state of our country, for better or worse. I like when he chooses something different instead of playing another song from Ten. I enjoyed the show, but the sound was so bad where I was. I am surprised more people are not talking about that instead of the song choices.

I agree, to my ears when Dolan decided to put in the bridges, they destroyed the elite acoustics of the garden. 100% the sound is nowhere near as good there post renovation. No way.

If Ed cut one cover song, sure, but the political heaviness he created was unfortunate. Given the events in GA, and the overall insanity in the states since 2015,and a big event the first Tuesday in November , I understand why he wanted to sing Patriot. It was just too much given the construct of the post break setlist.

I agree that ten is played too much, but why go would have brought an epic feel to the show. If I had my choice, I would take anything from Yield over any cover, any day, any time. Chalk it up to another thing I don’t get about the band or the faithful. Which is cool.

What political heaviness? Eddie was talking about voting for freedom and for human rights, nothing wrong with what he said. Pj has been political and sharing their thoughts for 33 plus years, not sure how anyone is shocked or even upset by it. It wasn’t too much, not at all. 

Agree.
Making a comment about gun laws before Glorified G on the day of (yet another) school shooting on point too

I agree with the comments on  gun laws and women’s rights but he went too far because he specifically mentioned the “Republican” word in a derogatory manner which takes away from the magic of a PJ show …just a bit… and will get and did get boos….because that will divide. 

A basic rule of showmanship is do not knowingly insult your audience.

He knows that. If that meant adding Patriot or a couple other political songs, then it’s too bad for those of us that want to get Why Go or Faithfull or one or many of the other great Pearl Jam tunes we didn’t get at MSG. Still two wonderful shows.

And respectfully Jo, I believe you have a much better chance influencing your daughter’s politics than Ed. If he did, great, but he should have left it short of putting down Rs and influencing the setlist. Patriot should not stand up against any PJ classic at a PJ show, and if they were simply respecting their guest, then a different cover should have been pulled. And it seemed the band was also not too happy with the encore. It’s unfortunate democracy seems to not exist on that stage They were definitely arguing about something. 

Haha. So they weren’t respecting their audience because they played a song they have played for 30 years with the original artist in the building? Cmon man. I think the R word here is ridiculous. 

Man BE, you certainly love to mix it up here. I'm not falling for that. If you re going to disrespect my comments,  at least be accurate. 

The discussion was about the leader of the band likely using his veto power in a visible disagreement with his band, to sidetrack a show that was heading towards epic status for his personal need to trash talk Republicans, and play a series of needless political tunes and covers to likely serve a personal political need. (There is no other need to play patriot, as its inferior to about 100 PJ tunes for PJ fans).

Given the construct of Philly1, seems this is what occurred MSG2. 

Dude, ur argument is silly.  Trump is going to lose regardless of what Eddie sang at their concert. I hope they play patriot at every remaining show pj does. It’s a great song and I love the part where he sings I only know one partyyyyy and it is freeeeeeeeedooooom.  No need to carry this on any more, ur views are not worth anymore replies from me. Just talk about the show. Did you like the poster? What did you think of the T shirt quality? 

on2legs

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

If Ed played Patriot and then the band came out and they played Pearl Jam songs it would have been fine.  Patriot is a good cover and probably very relevant to today.  The probable was the Just Breathe into the GH duet and then followed up by another cover.  The show flows better when Ed keeps it to one solo song. 

It’ll go down as one of the worst decisions he ever made for a setlist imo. 

Yup. And I think Ed knows it. I feel like the Philly setlist was his way of making up for it. 

nicknyr15

on2legs said:

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

If Ed played Patriot and then the band came out and they played Pearl Jam songs it would have been fine.  Patriot is a good cover and probably very relevant to today.  The probable was the Just Breathe into the GH duet and then followed up by another cover.  The show flows better when Ed keeps it to one solo song. 

It’ll go down as one of the worst decisions he ever made for a setlist imo. 

Yup. And I think Ed knows it. I feel like the Philly setlist was his way of making up for it. 

He better make up for it AGAIN tomorrow night hahah 

cutz

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

If Ed played Patriot and then the band came out and they played Pearl Jam songs it would have been fine.  Patriot is a good cover and probably very relevant to today.  The probable was the Just Breathe into the GH duet and then followed up by another cover.  The show flows better when Ed keeps it to one solo song. 

It’ll go down as one of the worst decisions he ever made for a setlist imo. 

I do agree with you but I'd also throw out Arms Aloft in there. 

Get_Right

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Lerxst1992 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Lerxst1992 said:

kosteva2 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

nicknyr15 said:

yosi said:

Been thinking about it, but honestly, I’m thrilled with the two MSG shows. 52 songs, only seven repeats (4 from the new album they are touring!) Band sounded great. Not sure what else there is to say. 

I agree. It’s just after that main set the thought of “what could’ve been” inevitably crept into my mind. And I legit was losing patience during the encore. I hate covers so it was a nightmare for me. But I would totally get if other people loved it. 

The grass is always greener. Sometimes they do add that one song or two and it feels a bit contrived or out of place. I kind of felt that way about Leash. At this point it is what it is. Starting on stools, slow encores etc. I loved that Patriot. I was hoping to hear Rats. Oh well. There is not one song on that list I did not enjoy.

It may be just a coincidence but Patriot (given all the other political tunes) had the feel of a personal response to the heckling Ed got about his political talk. I agree with Patriots message 100%, but just don’t love the tune. I don’t think Bruce covers it, and it’s weird that PJ plays it. Doesn’t feel at all like a PJ tune or that I am even at a PJ show when he sings it. To play a song because that artist is in the crowd, ok I get it, but it’s not a good policy for setlist construction. If it must be there, one of the other political tunes had to go and be replaced by a PJ banger at that point.

Now had they instead banged out Why Go at that slot, the place would have exploded, EXPLODED!, and all the talk of a lackluster encore here would not exist. Why Go has to be a top five crowd enthusiasm song, yet it did not make the MSG stage, while five covers N2 did. Strange decisions.

i appreciate Ed’s politics and how he stands up to the bizarre elements of American politics since 2015, but it’s a double edged sword. When he gets too into it, and uses either the D or R word (which he did) the Pearl Jam Live Show Magic loses its luster in that moment. Definitely took N2  down a peg. Still, great to see them twice in our hometown after so many years. Very Grateful.

 

Took me back to the Ralph Nader rally. It was not a coincidence IMHO. Ed will always say something about the state of our country, for better or worse. I like when he chooses something different instead of playing another song from Ten. I enjoyed the show, but the sound was so bad where I was. I am surprised more people are not talking about that instead of the song choices.

I agree, to my ears when Dolan decided to put in the bridges, they destroyed the elite acoustics of the garden. 100% the sound is nowhere near as good there post renovation. No way.

If Ed cut one cover song, sure, but the political heaviness he created was unfortunate. Given the events in GA, and the overall insanity in the states since 2015,and a big event the first Tuesday in November , I understand why he wanted to sing Patriot. It was just too much given the construct of the post break setlist.

I agree that ten is played too much, but why go would have brought an epic feel to the show. If I had my choice, I would take anything from Yield over any cover, any day, any time. Chalk it up to another thing I don’t get about the band or the faithful. Which is cool.

What political heaviness? Eddie was talking about voting for freedom and for human rights, nothing wrong with what he said. Pj has been political and sharing their thoughts for 33 plus years, not sure how anyone is shocked or even upset by it. It wasn’t too much, not at all. 

Agree.
Making a comment about gun laws before Glorified G on the day of (yet another) school shooting on point too

I agree with the comments on  gun laws and women’s rights but he went too far because he specifically mentioned the “Republican” word in a derogatory manner which takes away from the magic of a PJ show …just a bit… and will get and did get boos….because that will divide. 

A basic rule of showmanship is do not knowingly insult your audience.

He knows that. If that meant adding Patriot or a couple other political songs, then it’s too bad for those of us that want to get Why Go or Faithfull or one or many of the other great Pearl Jam tunes we didn’t get at MSG. Still two wonderful shows.

And respectfully Jo, I believe you have a much better chance influencing your daughter’s politics than Ed. If he did, great, but he should have left it short of putting down Rs and influencing the setlist. Patriot should not stand up against any PJ classic at a PJ show, and if they were simply respecting their guest, then a different cover should have been pulled. And it seemed the band was also not too happy with the encore. It’s unfortunate democracy seems to not exist on that stage They were definitely arguing about something. 

Haha. So they weren’t respecting their audience because they played a song they have played for 30 years with the original artist in the building? Cmon man. I think the R word here is ridiculous. 

Man BE, you certainly love to mix it up here. I'm not falling for that. If you re going to disrespect my comments,  at least be accurate. 

The discussion was about the leader of the band likely using his veto power in a visible disagreement with his band, to sidetrack a show that was heading towards epic status for his personal need to trash talk Republicans, and play a series of needless political tunes and covers to likely serve a personal political need. (There is no other need to play patriot, as its inferior to about 100 PJ tunes for PJ fans).

Given the construct of Philly1, seems this is what occurred MSG2. 

Dude, ur argument is silly.  Trump is going to lose regardless of what Eddie sang at their concert. I hope they play patriot at every remaining show pj does. It’s a great song and I love the part where he sings I only know one partyyyyy and it is freeeeeeeeedooooom.  No need to carry this on any more, ur views are not worth anymore replies from me. Just talk about the show. Did you like the poster? What did you think of the T shirt quality? 

I would not be so sure about that. Ed has been doing this for a long time. Voting, guns, violence, women's rights, etc. it always comes up one way or another. To go see Pearl Jam and not expect some kind of commentary from Ed, well then you may just be unfamiliar with how they do their shows.

nicknyr15

cutz said:

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

If Ed played Patriot and then the band came out and they played Pearl Jam songs it would have been fine.  Patriot is a good cover and probably very relevant to today.  The probable was the Just Breathe into the GH duet and then followed up by another cover.  The show flows better when Ed keeps it to one solo song. 

It’ll go down as one of the worst decisions he ever made for a setlist imo. 

I do agree with you but I'd also throw out Arms Aloft in there. 

Agreed 

on2legs

Speaking of covers… Does anyone remember when they broke out Taking It To The Streets at MSG in 2016??

HailHailVitalogy

on2legs said:

Speaking of covers… Does anyone remember when they broke out Taking It To The Streets at MSG in 2016??

Then into whipping was 🔥 

tdawe

On the one hand I feel like I’m done talking/thinking about this. On the other hand, I was lying awake this morning at 5:30 am, a full four days later, and still turning different options over in my mind. 

The one I landed on this morning was ditching the Ed solo Patriot, adding a Go/Animal/SOLAT/whatever after the Glen song, then replacing Sonic Reducer with Fast Patriot if playing that song for Little Steven was so important to Ed. Fast Patriot at Wrigley in 2016 ruled. 

ceska

on2legs said:

Speaking of covers… Does anyone remember when they broke out Taking It To The Streets at MSG in 2016??

Yes! The guy sitting next to me and I were saying, before Night 1, how underrated and not-often-spoken of the MSG 2016 shows are.

nicknyr15

ceska said:

on2legs said:

Speaking of covers… Does anyone remember when they broke out Taking It To The Streets at MSG in 2016??

Yes! The guy sitting next to me and I were saying, before Night 1, how underrated and not-often-spoken of the MSG 2016 shows are.

Most of 2016 was unreal. That’s the “problem”. Hard for individual shows to stand out during a tour like that. 

kosteva2

nicknyr15 said:

ceska said:

on2legs said:

Speaking of covers… Does anyone remember when they broke out Taking It To The Streets at MSG in 2016??

Yes! The guy sitting next to me and I were saying, before Night 1, how underrated and not-often-spoken of the MSG 2016 shows are.

Most of 2016 was unreal. That’s the “problem”. Hard for individual shows to stand out during a tour like that. 

Agree.  Those 2016 MSG shows came right after the Philly Ten show so anything was going to be a relative letdown after that

OceansJenny

cutz said:

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

If Ed played Patriot and then the band came out and they played Pearl Jam songs it would have been fine.  Patriot is a good cover and probably very relevant to today.  The probable was the Just Breathe into the GH duet and then followed up by another cover.  The show flows better when Ed keeps it to one solo song. 

It’ll go down as one of the worst decisions he ever made for a setlist imo. 

I do agree with you but I'd also throw out Arms Aloft in there. 

😂 this will always be the #1 setlist sin

Lerxst1992

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Lerxst1992 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Lerxst1992 said:

kosteva2 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

nicknyr15 said:

yosi said:

Been thinking about it, but honestly, I’m thrilled with the two MSG shows. 52 songs, only seven repeats (4 from the new album they are touring!) Band sounded great. Not sure what else there is to say. 

I agree. It’s just after that main set the thought of “what could’ve been” inevitably crept into my mind. And I legit was losing patience during the encore. I hate covers so it was a nightmare for me. But I would totally get if other people loved it. 

The grass is always greener. Sometimes they do add that one song or two and it feels a bit contrived or out of place. I kind of felt that way about Leash. At this point it is what it is. Starting on stools, slow encores etc. I loved that Patriot. I was hoping to hear Rats. Oh well. There is not one song on that list I did not enjoy.

It may be just a coincidence but Patriot (given all the other political tunes) had the feel of a personal response to the heckling Ed got about his political talk. I agree with Patriots message 100%, but just don’t love the tune. I don’t think Bruce covers it, and it’s weird that PJ plays it. Doesn’t feel at all like a PJ tune or that I am even at a PJ show when he sings it. To play a song because that artist is in the crowd, ok I get it, but it’s not a good policy for setlist construction. If it must be there, one of the other political tunes had to go and be replaced by a PJ banger at that point.

Now had they instead banged out Why Go at that slot, the place would have exploded, EXPLODED!, and all the talk of a lackluster encore here would not exist. Why Go has to be a top five crowd enthusiasm song, yet it did not make the MSG stage, while five covers N2 did. Strange decisions.

i appreciate Ed’s politics and how he stands up to the bizarre elements of American politics since 2015, but it’s a double edged sword. When he gets too into it, and uses either the D or R word (which he did) the Pearl Jam Live Show Magic loses its luster in that moment. Definitely took N2  down a peg. Still, great to see them twice in our hometown after so many years. Very Grateful.

 

Took me back to the Ralph Nader rally. It was not a coincidence IMHO. Ed will always say something about the state of our country, for better or worse. I like when he chooses something different instead of playing another song from Ten. I enjoyed the show, but the sound was so bad where I was. I am surprised more people are not talking about that instead of the song choices.

I agree, to my ears when Dolan decided to put in the bridges, they destroyed the elite acoustics of the garden. 100% the sound is nowhere near as good there post renovation. No way.

If Ed cut one cover song, sure, but the political heaviness he created was unfortunate. Given the events in GA, and the overall insanity in the states since 2015,and a big event the first Tuesday in November , I understand why he wanted to sing Patriot. It was just too much given the construct of the post break setlist.

I agree that ten is played too much, but why go would have brought an epic feel to the show. If I had my choice, I would take anything from Yield over any cover, any day, any time. Chalk it up to another thing I don’t get about the band or the faithful. Which is cool.

What political heaviness? Eddie was talking about voting for freedom and for human rights, nothing wrong with what he said. Pj has been political and sharing their thoughts for 33 plus years, not sure how anyone is shocked or even upset by it. It wasn’t too much, not at all. 

Agree.
Making a comment about gun laws before Glorified G on the day of (yet another) school shooting on point too

I agree with the comments on  gun laws and women’s rights but he went too far because he specifically mentioned the “Republican” word in a derogatory manner which takes away from the magic of a PJ show …just a bit… and will get and did get boos….because that will divide. 

A basic rule of showmanship is do not knowingly insult your audience.

He knows that. If that meant adding Patriot or a couple other political songs, then it’s too bad for those of us that want to get Why Go or Faithfull or one or many of the other great Pearl Jam tunes we didn’t get at MSG. Still two wonderful shows.

And respectfully Jo, I believe you have a much better chance influencing your daughter’s politics than Ed. If he did, great, but he should have left it short of putting down Rs and influencing the setlist. Patriot should not stand up against any PJ classic at a PJ show, and if they were simply respecting their guest, then a different cover should have been pulled. And it seemed the band was also not too happy with the encore. It’s unfortunate democracy seems to not exist on that stage They were definitely arguing about something. 

Haha. So they weren’t respecting their audience because they played a song they have played for 30 years with the original artist in the building? Cmon man. I think the R word here is ridiculous. 

Man BE, you certainly love to mix it up here. I'm not falling for that. If you re going to disrespect my comments,  at least be accurate. 

The discussion was about the leader of the band likely using his veto power in a visible disagreement with his band, to sidetrack a show that was heading towards epic status for his personal need to trash talk Republicans, and play a series of needless political tunes and covers to likely serve a personal political need. (There is no other need to play patriot, as its inferior to about 100 PJ tunes for PJ fans).

Given the construct of Philly1, seems this is what occurred MSG2. 

Dude, ur argument is silly.  Trump is going to lose regardless of what Eddie sang at their concert. I hope they play patriot at every remaining show pj does. It’s a great song and I love the part where he sings I only know one partyyyyy and it is freeeeeeeeedooooom.  No need to carry this on any more, ur views are not worth anymore replies from me. Just talk about the show. Did you like the poster? What did you think of the T shirt quality? 

Wish I was as confident as you about Mr Red Hat losing

I'm not really into concert merch too much. I go for the tunes. Thats maybe why I am harping on the awkward encore setlist

Still, those are all enjoyable songs and overall we got 2 great NY shows, just the decision to go solo and chill and political and so many covers in the encore had a significant impact on the energy of the show.
 

Lerxst1992

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

nicknyr15 said:

on2legs said:

If Ed played Patriot and then the band came out and they played Pearl Jam songs it would have been fine.  Patriot is a good cover and probably very relevant to today.  The probable was the Just Breathe into the GH duet and then followed up by another cover.  The show flows better when Ed keeps it to one solo song. 

It’ll go down as one of the worst decisions he ever made for a setlist imo. 

Yup. And I think Ed knows it. I feel like the Philly setlist was his way of making up for it. 

He better make up for it AGAIN tomorrow night hahah 

Making up for it is kinda silly, unless he is expecting the same 16k in the house from city to city. Well, reading the f2f topic, maybe that's true!

Can't make up for it for those of us who chose to stay local this tour. His setlist opportunity was lost on a personal decision he made, likely influenced by an isolated crowd reaction. 

This is a good example of PJ not exactly having the best setlist process, since it seems to be more authoritarian and less democratic

MKSNYC

ceska said:

on2legs said:

Speaking of covers… Does anyone remember when they broke out Taking It To The Streets at MSG in 2016??

Yes! The guy sitting next to me and I were saying, before Night 1, how underrated and not-often-spoken of the MSG 2016 shows are.

I loved both 2016 MSG shows.  Mike side for 1 and Stone side for 2.  Combined they are up there as one of my top concert experiences.

Re MSG2 this year - I like Patriot and with Little Steven in the house makes perfect sense.  Performances were great but I do think the “mellow” may have gone on a bit long and impacted the ride that the audience was on.