Harris vs Trump vs RFK Jr - VOTE NOW AND DISCUSS

Philly NJ

Donald Trump

When border agents on horseback were falsely accused of whipping Haitian migrants in Texas in September 2021, Vice President Kamala Harris jumped on the bandwagon and slammed Border Patrol personnel — claiming the photos from the incident reminded her of America’s history of slavery.

“Human beings should not be treated that way,” Harris told the “View” just days after the controversy became national news. “It also invoked images of some of the worst moments of our history, where that kind of behavior has been used against the Indigenous people of our country, it has been used against African Americans during times of slavery.”

The claims that border agents whipped the migrants, who were black, were later debunked by both the photographer who took the pictures that kicked off the controversy and, later, an official Customs and Border Protection investigation.

However, Harris — who was tasked with stopping the historically high flow of migrants across the US border — never backtracked or apologized for her previous statements.

Gern Blansten

Donald Trump

teskeinc said:

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Wait a minute.  Let's unpack this:

1. Trump isn't responsible for the economy tanking due to Covid.  Fine, agreed.
2. If that's the case, then Biden isn't responsible for inflation post-COVID because it hit every major nation and the US's rate was lower than all G8 nations.  
3. You want to say the Inflation reduction act caused inflation?  Well that might be the case except the Act occurred AFTER inflation had already started. 
4. You want to blame the stimulus from Biden for inflation?  Then fine, do that.  But let's not forget PPP and Trumps two stimulus checks were a greater impact to inflation then. 

Here's what Trump is responsible for:  Signing the tax cuts that have accelerated the debt yet he NEVER broke 3% GDP annualized growth. Let's see what Trump said when he signed them in Dec 2017 “The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” 

So Trump said it would be 4,5,6% yet never touched 3% under him.  Why hasn't he apologized for that lie?  Don't worry, I know you won't reply to this.  

It’s always someone else’s fault. Never Democrats fault. You want me to respond why Trump didn’t apologize to you? No President has cared about the debt since Clinton. They all increased it.

trump gave me $50,000 in free money PPP...not taxable...why would I vote against him? Because he isn't qualified. He's a sick narcissist piece of shit.

(money that I didn't need I should add...money that I would not have missed if I didn't get it or had to pay it back)

mrussel1

Kamala Harris

teskeinc said:

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Wait a minute.  Let's unpack this:

1. Trump isn't responsible for the economy tanking due to Covid.  Fine, agreed.
2. If that's the case, then Biden isn't responsible for inflation post-COVID because it hit every major nation and the US's rate was lower than all G8 nations.  
3. You want to say the Inflation reduction act caused inflation?  Well that might be the case except the Act occurred AFTER inflation had already started. 
4. You want to blame the stimulus from Biden for inflation?  Then fine, do that.  But let's not forget PPP and Trumps two stimulus checks were a greater impact to inflation then. 

Here's what Trump is responsible for:  Signing the tax cuts that have accelerated the debt yet he NEVER broke 3% GDP annualized growth. Let's see what Trump said when he signed them in Dec 2017 “The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” 

So Trump said it would be 4,5,6% yet never touched 3% under him.  Why hasn't he apologized for that lie?  Don't worry, I know you won't reply to this.  

It’s always someone else’s fault. Never Democrats fault. You want me to respond why Trump didn’t apologize to you? No President has cared about the debt since Clinton. They all increased it.

No, no.. you don't get to blame Biden for inflation but not blame Trump for the economic tank of 2020.  Once again, inflation was already firmly rooted before the Inflation reduction act.  So that didn't cause it.  The only other non-macro factor you could blame is stimulus, but if you do that, then Trump is accountable for his two stimulus checks and worse...PPP.  

For the record, I don't blame Trump for 2020 and I don't blame Biden for worldwide inflation.  So don't give me that shit about "always someone else's fault" when you're trying to have it both ways.  

Gern Blansten

Donald Trump

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Wait a minute.  Let's unpack this:

1. Trump isn't responsible for the economy tanking due to Covid.  Fine, agreed.
2. If that's the case, then Biden isn't responsible for inflation post-COVID because it hit every major nation and the US's rate was lower than all G8 nations.  
3. You want to say the Inflation reduction act caused inflation?  Well that might be the case except the Act occurred AFTER inflation had already started. 
4. You want to blame the stimulus from Biden for inflation?  Then fine, do that.  But let's not forget PPP and Trumps two stimulus checks were a greater impact to inflation then. 

Here's what Trump is responsible for:  Signing the tax cuts that have accelerated the debt yet he NEVER broke 3% GDP annualized growth. Let's see what Trump said when he signed them in Dec 2017 “The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” 

So Trump said it would be 4,5,6% yet never touched 3% under him.  Why hasn't he apologized for that lie?  Don't worry, I know you won't reply to this.  

It’s always someone else’s fault. Never Democrats fault. You want me to respond why Trump didn’t apologize to you? No President has cared about the debt since Clinton. They all increased it.

No, no.. you don't get to blame Biden for inflation but not blame Trump for the economic tank of 2020.  Once again, inflation was already firmly rooted before the Inflation reduction act.  So that didn't cause it.  The only other non-macro factor you could blame is stimulus, but if you do that, then Trump is accountable for his two stimulus checks and worse...PPP.  

For the record, I don't blame Trump for 2020 and I don't blame Biden for worldwide inflation.  So don't give me that shit about "always someone else's fault" when you're trying to have it both ways.  

same...his response was stupid and cost him the election but he certainly didn't cause covid

My problem with the PPP money was that it should have been repaid if certain parameters weren't met.

Tim Simmons

Kamala Harris

Philly NJ said:

However, Harris — who was tasked with stopping the historically high flow of migrants across the US border — never backtracked or apologized for her previous statements.

She wasn’t though.

Harris was never the “border czar,” or put in charge of border security or halting illegal border crossings, as former President Donald Trump, Republicans and even the occasional media outlet have claimed. Instead, she was tasked in March 2021 with tackling the “root causes” of migration from the Northern Triangle and pushing its leaders — along with Mexico’s — to enforce immigration laws, administration officials said.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/kamala-harris-chose-a-long-term-approach-when-tasked-to-tackle-rise-in-border-crossings


you want to ding her for taking the long view, fine. If making the wrong statement based on available information at the time and holding that against her forever, fine.  But the problem with a lot of the taking point attacks is that nuance gets lost in the sound bite. 

teskeinc

The Juggler said:

teskeinc said:

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Wait a minute.  Let's unpack this:

1. Trump isn't responsible for the economy tanking due to Covid.  Fine, agreed.
2. If that's the case, then Biden isn't responsible for inflation post-COVID because it hit every major nation and the US's rate was lower than all G8 nations.  
3. You want to say the Inflation reduction act caused inflation?  Well that might be the case except the Act occurred AFTER inflation had already started. 
4. You want to blame the stimulus from Biden for inflation?  Then fine, do that.  But let's not forget PPP and Trumps two stimulus checks were a greater impact to inflation then. 

Here's what Trump is responsible for:  Signing the tax cuts that have accelerated the debt yet he NEVER broke 3% GDP annualized growth. Let's see what Trump said when he signed them in Dec 2017 “The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” 

So Trump said it would be 4,5,6% yet never touched 3% under him.  Why hasn't he apologized for that lie?  Don't worry, I know you won't reply to this.  

It’s always someone else’s fault. Never Democrats fault. You want me to respond why Trump didn’t apologize to you? No President has cared about the debt since Clinton. They all increased it.

Can you make an attempt to respond to each of Russ's 4 points?

1. Not responsible for Covid. Look at who was funding the Wuhan lab. 
2. Maybe as the world’s biggest economy our policy failure affected the rest of the world. Lack of production of goods, artificially pumping too much money into the economy were key factors.
3. Inflation was happening, the Inflation Reduction Act was literally supposed to reduce or slow inflation. It didn’t. It made it worse.
4. Even with stimulus checks, PPP, the economy was still crushed. Would it been better to just have a Great Depression? Biden/Harris went way too far with the Rescue Plan/Inflation Reduction Act. Too much waste in those bills. It was swamp city. It didn’t reduce anything just higher costs to everyone.

mrussel1

Kamala Harris

teskeinc said:

The Juggler said:

teskeinc said:

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Wait a minute.  Let's unpack this:

1. Trump isn't responsible for the economy tanking due to Covid.  Fine, agreed.
2. If that's the case, then Biden isn't responsible for inflation post-COVID because it hit every major nation and the US's rate was lower than all G8 nations.  
3. You want to say the Inflation reduction act caused inflation?  Well that might be the case except the Act occurred AFTER inflation had already started. 
4. You want to blame the stimulus from Biden for inflation?  Then fine, do that.  But let's not forget PPP and Trumps two stimulus checks were a greater impact to inflation then. 

Here's what Trump is responsible for:  Signing the tax cuts that have accelerated the debt yet he NEVER broke 3% GDP annualized growth. Let's see what Trump said when he signed them in Dec 2017 “The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” 

So Trump said it would be 4,5,6% yet never touched 3% under him.  Why hasn't he apologized for that lie?  Don't worry, I know you won't reply to this.  

It’s always someone else’s fault. Never Democrats fault. You want me to respond why Trump didn’t apologize to you? No President has cared about the debt since Clinton. They all increased it.

Can you make an attempt to respond to each of Russ's 4 points?

1. Not responsible for Covid. Look at who was funding the Wuhan lab. 
2. Maybe as the world’s biggest economy our policy failure affected the rest of the world. Lack of production of goods, artificially pumping too much money into the economy were key factors.
3. Inflation was happening, the Inflation Reduction Act was literally supposed to reduce or slow inflation. It didn’t. It made it worse.
4. Even with stimulus checks, PPP, the economy was still crushed. Would it been better to just have a Great Depression? Biden/Harris went way too far with the Rescue Plan/Inflation Reduction Act. Too much waste in those bills. It was swamp city. It didn’t reduce anything just higher costs to everyone.

You think a great depression would have been better than two years of an inflationary economy,, with record high employment?

Seriously,  every time you write something about the economy, I wonder if you've thought about this at all.

mickeyrat

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Wait a minute.  Let's unpack this:

1. Trump isn't responsible for the economy tanking due to Covid.  Fine, agreed.
2. If that's the case, then Biden isn't responsible for inflation post-COVID because it hit every major nation and the US's rate was lower than all G8 nations.  
3. You want to say the Inflation reduction act caused inflation?  Well that might be the case except the Act occurred AFTER inflation had already started. 
4. You want to blame the stimulus from Biden for inflation?  Then fine, do that.  But let's not forget PPP and Trumps two stimulus checks were a greater impact to inflation then. 

Here's what Trump is responsible for:  Signing the tax cuts that have accelerated the debt yet he NEVER broke 3% GDP annualized growth. Let's see what Trump said when he signed them in Dec 2017 “The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” 

So Trump said it would be 4,5,6% yet never touched 3% under him.  Why hasn't he apologized for that lie?  Don't worry, I know you won't reply to this.  

It’s always someone else’s fault. Never Democrats fault. You want me to respond why Trump didn’t apologize to you? No President has cared about the debt since Clinton. They all increased it.

No, no.. you don't get to blame Biden for inflation but not blame Trump for the economic tank of 2020.  Once again, inflation was already firmly rooted before the Inflation reduction act.  So that didn't cause it.  The only other non-macro factor you could blame is stimulus, but if you do that, then Trump is accountable for his two stimulus checks and worse...PPP.  

For the record, I don't blame Trump for 2020 and I don't blame Biden for worldwide inflation.  So don't give me that shit about "always someone else's fault" when you're trying to have it both ways.  

same...his response was stupid and cost him the election but he certainly didn't cause covid

My problem with the PPP money was that it should have been repaid if certain parameters weren't met.

like members of congress and the senate should have been exempt from taking it in the first place and certainly required to pay it back.

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

The Juggler said:

teskeinc said:

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Wait a minute.  Let's unpack this:

1. Trump isn't responsible for the economy tanking due to Covid.  Fine, agreed.
2. If that's the case, then Biden isn't responsible for inflation post-COVID because it hit every major nation and the US's rate was lower than all G8 nations.  
3. You want to say the Inflation reduction act caused inflation?  Well that might be the case except the Act occurred AFTER inflation had already started. 
4. You want to blame the stimulus from Biden for inflation?  Then fine, do that.  But let's not forget PPP and Trumps two stimulus checks were a greater impact to inflation then. 

Here's what Trump is responsible for:  Signing the tax cuts that have accelerated the debt yet he NEVER broke 3% GDP annualized growth. Let's see what Trump said when he signed them in Dec 2017 “The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” 

So Trump said it would be 4,5,6% yet never touched 3% under him.  Why hasn't he apologized for that lie?  Don't worry, I know you won't reply to this.  

It’s always someone else’s fault. Never Democrats fault. You want me to respond why Trump didn’t apologize to you? No President has cared about the debt since Clinton. They all increased it.

Can you make an attempt to respond to each of Russ's 4 points?

1. Not responsible for Covid. Look at who was funding the Wuhan lab. 
2. Maybe as the world’s biggest economy our policy failure affected the rest of the world. Lack of production of goods, artificially pumping too much money into the economy were key factors.
3. Inflation was happening, the Inflation Reduction Act was literally supposed to reduce or slow inflation. It didn’t. It made it worse.
4. Even with stimulus checks, PPP, the economy was still crushed. Would it been better to just have a Great Depression? Biden/Harris went way too far with the Rescue Plan/Inflation Reduction Act. Too much waste in those bills. It was swamp city. It didn’t reduce anything just higher costs to everyone.

You think a great depression would have been better than two years of an inflationary economy,, with record high employment?

Seriously,  every time you write something about the economy, I wonder if you've thought about this at all.

But they know the effects of $.99 gallon orange juice signs on shoppers who lack self-control.

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

The Juggler said:

teskeinc said:

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Wait a minute.  Let's unpack this:

1. Trump isn't responsible for the economy tanking due to Covid.  Fine, agreed.
2. If that's the case, then Biden isn't responsible for inflation post-COVID because it hit every major nation and the US's rate was lower than all G8 nations.  
3. You want to say the Inflation reduction act caused inflation?  Well that might be the case except the Act occurred AFTER inflation had already started. 
4. You want to blame the stimulus from Biden for inflation?  Then fine, do that.  But let's not forget PPP and Trumps two stimulus checks were a greater impact to inflation then. 

Here's what Trump is responsible for:  Signing the tax cuts that have accelerated the debt yet he NEVER broke 3% GDP annualized growth. Let's see what Trump said when he signed them in Dec 2017 “The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” 

So Trump said it would be 4,5,6% yet never touched 3% under him.  Why hasn't he apologized for that lie?  Don't worry, I know you won't reply to this.  

It’s always someone else’s fault. Never Democrats fault. You want me to respond why Trump didn’t apologize to you? No President has cared about the debt since Clinton. They all increased it.

Can you make an attempt to respond to each of Russ's 4 points?

1. Not responsible for Covid. Look at who was funding the Wuhan lab. 
2. Maybe as the world’s biggest economy our policy failure affected the rest of the world. Lack of production of goods, artificially pumping too much money into the economy were key factors.
3. Inflation was happening, the Inflation Reduction Act was literally supposed to reduce or slow inflation. It didn’t. It made it worse.
4. Even with stimulus checks, PPP, the economy was still crushed. Would it been better to just have a Great Depression? Biden/Harris went way too far with the Rescue Plan/Inflation Reduction Act. Too much waste in those bills. It was swamp city. It didn’t reduce anything just higher costs to everyone.

You think a great depression would have been better than two years of an inflationary economy,, with record high employment?

Seriously,  every time you write something about the economy, I wonder if you've thought about this at all.

as I recall from history class a massive influx of public money and entry into the world war brought us out of it.

Lerxst1992

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

Every administration, party and politician has mistakes. I don’t support Trump or Republicans. I’m for term limits and age limits. I hate career politicians. I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. I don’t need an emotional connection. 

The problem here is no one can accept any mistakes that Biden/Harris made. Obviously Harris isn’t qualified to be President, (2019 showed what everyone thought of her as a candidate). I’ve never seen anyone post anything about her achievements in the last 3.5 years that would make it any different. 3-4 months ago Dem Elites were floating ideas to replace her on Biden’s ticket.  But because she’s running against the evil Trump people are portraying her as the second coming of Christ. 

This is where you lose credibility. To say that Harris "isn't qualified to be President" doesn't make sense. You don't want any whataboutisms but trump clearly isn't qualified based on his attempt to overturn the election and the fact that none of his prior administration supports him.

You are seriously going to vote for a dipshit whose VP, SecDef, SecState, Chief of Staff, etc, do not support him.  They have told you that he isn't qualified. That gives you zero credibility.

Here we go again. The perfect opportunity to explain why Kamala is qualified, but you can’t. Immediately pivot to the Orange Man Bad theory once again. You just proved everything I’ve been saying. It’s OK, I realize you don’t know any better. 

Shades of Ronny Reagan. Cool!

I tried to provide a reasonable explanation of how inflation started with conditions set during the pandemic. But you didn’t bite. I get it, too many libs here. Not only did tr,mp not do anything about the supply chain problems brewing the last year of his presidency (I know, nearly a hundred ships sitting idle in the ocean waiting to port in Cali was no clue, neither was empty shelves at the stores) Tr,mp had no idea what to do, bc he was too busy whining the election was rigged.

Lerxst1992

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

Every administration, party and politician has mistakes. I don’t support Trump or Republicans. I’m for term limits and age limits. I hate career politicians. I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. I don’t need an emotional connection. 

The problem here is no one can accept any mistakes that Biden/Harris made. Obviously Harris isn’t qualified to be President, (2019 showed what everyone thought of her as a candidate). I’ve never seen anyone post anything about her achievements in the last 3.5 years that would make it any different. 3-4 months ago Dem Elites were floating ideas to replace her on Biden’s ticket.  But because she’s running against the evil Trump people are portraying her as the second coming of Christ. 

This is where you lose credibility. To say that Harris "isn't qualified to be President" doesn't make sense. You don't want any whataboutisms but trump clearly isn't qualified based on his attempt to overturn the election and the fact that none of his prior administration supports him.

You are seriously going to vote for a dipshit whose VP, SecDef, SecState, Chief of Staff, etc, do not support him.  They have told you that he isn't qualified. That gives you zero credibility.

Here we go again. The perfect opportunity to explain why Kamala is qualified, but you can’t. Immediately pivot to the Orange Man Bad theory once again. You just proved everything I’ve been saying. It’s OK, I realize you don’t know any better. 

DA...Senator...VP for four years...qualified. I really have to spell that out for you? Did you buy your JD Vance jizz cup yet?

Maybe let @teskeinc know Harris started serving the public with local law enforcement 30+ years ago. she then served statewide office since 2011 and then US senator and then VPOTUS. Maybe teskeinc knows the POTUS main responsibility is to enforce the law, something Harris has been doing decades longer than tr,mp 

But a lying businessman and tv actor is of course more qualified. Unreal the nonsense talking points from conservatives.

Gern Blansten

Donald Trump

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

Every administration, party and politician has mistakes. I don’t support Trump or Republicans. I’m for term limits and age limits. I hate career politicians. I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. I don’t need an emotional connection. 

The problem here is no one can accept any mistakes that Biden/Harris made. Obviously Harris isn’t qualified to be President, (2019 showed what everyone thought of her as a candidate). I’ve never seen anyone post anything about her achievements in the last 3.5 years that would make it any different. 3-4 months ago Dem Elites were floating ideas to replace her on Biden’s ticket.  But because she’s running against the evil Trump people are portraying her as the second coming of Christ. 

This is where you lose credibility. To say that Harris "isn't qualified to be President" doesn't make sense. You don't want any whataboutisms but trump clearly isn't qualified based on his attempt to overturn the election and the fact that none of his prior administration supports him.

You are seriously going to vote for a dipshit whose VP, SecDef, SecState, Chief of Staff, etc, do not support him.  They have told you that he isn't qualified. That gives you zero credibility.

Here we go again. The perfect opportunity to explain why Kamala is qualified, but you can’t. Immediately pivot to the Orange Man Bad theory once again. You just proved everything I’ve been saying. It’s OK, I realize you don’t know any better. 

DA...Senator...VP for four years...qualified. I really have to spell that out for you? Did you buy your JD Vance jizz cup yet?

Maybe let @teskeinc know Harris started serving the public with local law enforcement 30+ years ago. she then served statewide office since 2011 and then US senator and then VPOTUS. Maybe teskeinc knows the POTUS main responsibility is to enforce the law, something Harris has been doing decades longer than tr,mp 

But a lying businessman and tv actor is of course more qualified. Unreal the nonsense talking points from conservatives.

it's maddening but at least they are consistent

Philly NJ

Donald Trump

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

"Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" was famously used by Ronald Reagan in the 1980 presidential debate and remains relevant in elections today.

Recent polls indicate that many Americans do not feel better under President Joe Biden's administration. According to a February AP-NORC poll, only 24% of Americans feel better off since Biden took office, while 41% feel worse off and 34% feel the same. These figures highlight the mixed sentiments about economic progress during Biden's presidency.

teskeinc

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

Every administration, party and politician has mistakes. I don’t support Trump or Republicans. I’m for term limits and age limits. I hate career politicians. I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. I don’t need an emotional connection. 

The problem here is no one can accept any mistakes that Biden/Harris made. Obviously Harris isn’t qualified to be President, (2019 showed what everyone thought of her as a candidate). I’ve never seen anyone post anything about her achievements in the last 3.5 years that would make it any different. 3-4 months ago Dem Elites were floating ideas to replace her on Biden’s ticket.  But because she’s running against the evil Trump people are portraying her as the second coming of Christ. 

This is where you lose credibility. To say that Harris "isn't qualified to be President" doesn't make sense. You don't want any whataboutisms but trump clearly isn't qualified based on his attempt to overturn the election and the fact that none of his prior administration supports him.

You are seriously going to vote for a dipshit whose VP, SecDef, SecState, Chief of Staff, etc, do not support him.  They have told you that he isn't qualified. That gives you zero credibility.

Here we go again. The perfect opportunity to explain why Kamala is qualified, but you can’t. Immediately pivot to the Orange Man Bad theory once again. You just proved everything I’ve been saying. It’s OK, I realize you don’t know any better. 

DA...Senator...VP for four years...qualified. I really have to spell that out for you? Did you buy your JD Vance jizz cup yet?

Maybe let @teskeinc know Harris started serving the public with local law enforcement 30+ years ago. she then served statewide office since 2011 and then US senator and then VPOTUS. Maybe teskeinc knows the POTUS main responsibility is to enforce the law, something Harris has been doing decades longer than tr,mp 

But a lying businessman and tv actor is of course more qualified. Unreal the nonsense talking points from conservatives.

it's maddening but at least they are consistent

Trump wasn’t qualified in 2016. Voters thought he was. Kamala wasn’t qualified in 2020, voters decided that. Kamala isn’t qualified now, voters also decided that. Clooney and Pelosi disagreed. Here we are now.

Gern Blansten

Donald Trump

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

Every administration, party and politician has mistakes. I don’t support Trump or Republicans. I’m for term limits and age limits. I hate career politicians. I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. I don’t need an emotional connection. 

The problem here is no one can accept any mistakes that Biden/Harris made. Obviously Harris isn’t qualified to be President, (2019 showed what everyone thought of her as a candidate). I’ve never seen anyone post anything about her achievements in the last 3.5 years that would make it any different. 3-4 months ago Dem Elites were floating ideas to replace her on Biden’s ticket.  But because she’s running against the evil Trump people are portraying her as the second coming of Christ. 

This is where you lose credibility. To say that Harris "isn't qualified to be President" doesn't make sense. You don't want any whataboutisms but trump clearly isn't qualified based on his attempt to overturn the election and the fact that none of his prior administration supports him.

You are seriously going to vote for a dipshit whose VP, SecDef, SecState, Chief of Staff, etc, do not support him.  They have told you that he isn't qualified. That gives you zero credibility.

Here we go again. The perfect opportunity to explain why Kamala is qualified, but you can’t. Immediately pivot to the Orange Man Bad theory once again. You just proved everything I’ve been saying. It’s OK, I realize you don’t know any better. 

DA...Senator...VP for four years...qualified. I really have to spell that out for you? Did you buy your JD Vance jizz cup yet?

Maybe let @teskeinc know Harris started serving the public with local law enforcement 30+ years ago. she then served statewide office since 2011 and then US senator and then VPOTUS. Maybe teskeinc knows the POTUS main responsibility is to enforce the law, something Harris has been doing decades longer than tr,mp 

But a lying businessman and tv actor is of course more qualified. Unreal the nonsense talking points from conservatives.

it's maddening but at least they are consistent

Trump wasn’t qualified in 2016. Voters thought he was. Kamala wasn’t qualified in 2020, voters decided that. Kamala isn’t qualified now, voters also decided that. Clooney and Pelosi disagreed. Here we are now.

and...voters will decide in November...get ready to be disappointed

Go Beavers

Philly NJ said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

"Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" was famously used by Ronald Reagan in the 1980 presidential debate and remains relevant in elections today.

Recent polls indicate that many Americans do not feel better under President Joe Biden's administration. According to a February AP-NORC poll, only 24% of Americans feel better off since Biden took office, while 41% feel worse off and 34% feel the same. These figures highlight the mixed sentiments about economic progress during Biden's presidency.

Anyone who thinks 2020 was better is out of touch. 

The Juggler

Kamala Harris

My man is complaining about inflation, while at the same time saying he would have preferred a depression.

maga!

mrussel1

Kamala Harris

Philly NJ said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

"Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" was famously used by Ronald Reagan in the 1980 presidential debate and remains relevant in elections today.

Recent polls indicate that many Americans do not feel better under President Joe Biden's administration. According to a February AP-NORC poll, only 24% of Americans feel better off since Biden took office, while 41% feel worse off and 34% feel the same. These figures highlight the mixed sentiments about economic progress during Biden's presidency.

Sure,  so any normal candidate would win in a landslide. Difference here is that America has had 8-10 years of Trump the politician and they don't like him.  That's why he will get killed in the popular vote. If the GOP ran anyone other than DJT, this would be over. 

mrussel1

Kamala Harris

The Juggler said:

My man is complaining about inflation, while at the same time saying he would have preferred a depression.

maga!

I know... crazy