Harris vs Trump vs RFK Jr - VOTE NOW AND DISCUSS

Go Beavers

Philly NJ said:

Attention all intellectually honest people: I have noticed that if you present facts of incompetence, wrong-doing, bad policy, etc, of Harris/Biden, expect their supporters to deflect, deny or minimize.  Also, if you present facts from the 3.5 years Harris/Biden have held the White House, expect their supporters to say that is “old” news unless it is favorable to Harris/Biden. But they will go back to the beginning of time with their comments. Hilarious.

Denial is a defense mechanism that can describe when someone refuses to accept objective facts or experiences, especially when it's difficult to integrate them into their current thinking. It's an unconscious process that can protect people from anxiety or discomfort. Denial can be as simple as not believing someone is being truthful, or as complex as avoiding acknowledging weaknesses or desires. 

In psychology, denialism is when someone chooses to deny reality to avoid believing in an uncomfortable truth. It can be an irrational action that prevents someone from validating a historical event or reality that can be empirically verified. 

A lot of what you’re posting you think are facts aren’t actually facts. 

Gern Blansten

Donald Trump

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/19/politics/conservative-republican-endorses-harris-calls-trump-a-threat-to-democracy

I realize this won't have any effect on the magacult but still interesting to us non cult members.

Go Beavers

teskeinc said:

benjs said:

teskeinc said:

BF25394 said:

teskeinc said:

Philly NJ said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Philly NJ said:

pjhawks said:

honestly don't get any person with an iq over 50 that would still vote for Trump.  I would think even maybe smart hardcore republicans would just sit this one out to get rid of this guy from their party.  

IQ does not equal common sense. I see a whole lot of people on this site that have been programed by the far left. Propaganda is a powerful tool.  We are all susceptible to it. 

Here is a big propaganda operation that pretty much the entire far left fell for and still believe: Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation. Joe said it, Harris said, 51 former "intelligence" officers said it.  If you still believe it, you have a big propaganda susceptibility problem.

Same for Repubs and magas with the immigration crisis. So, do tell, in what year will you be replaced?

Hunter’s laptop existed. Yes, we know that. The contents of which was what was in question. Turns out to have been a nothing burder but you fell for the propaganda that it proved Brandon’s corruption. I can’t wait for the October surprise. “10% to the big guy” proves this.

Say what? Do you know what was on the laptop? Why did Harris/Biden deny it? You are a case in point, the propaganda and lies worked on you and many on this site.

Facebook and social media worked with a political party to censor this. But the party saving Democracy was OK with the censorship because Orange Man Bad!

Sigh. The words "Orange Man Bad" have never escaped my lips (or fingertips). And the only times I've ever heard them are from Trump supporters purporting to characterize the views of those who don't support Trump. I don't know what's in the minds of those who express themselves this way, but it seems to me that they don't really have a response to many of the criticisms of Trump, so they reduce them to a caricature and ignore the specifics, which are indefensible.

"He tried to steal the last election ("find me 11,780 votes") and still has not conceded it is not "Orange Man Bad." "He attempted to extort a foreign leader to obtain dirt on his political opponent" is not "Orange Man Bad." "He wants to abandon the alliances that have maintained stability and order in much of the world for over 75 years" is not "Orange Man Bad." "He wants to pardon a bunch of traitors who stormed the Capitol" is not "Orange Man Bad." "He completely mishandled a public-health emergency" is not "Orange Man Bad." "He lies, all the time, about everything" is not "Orange Man Bad." "He is a person of the lowest character" is not "Orange Man Bad," though I'll admit that it is "Man Bad," and call me crazy for thinking that we should avoid giving power to bad people. And we're not talking about a person with flaws. We all have flaws. This is a singularly mendacious and self-centered individual. If you cannot see that, you are blind. Or, if you do see that and don't care, you are reckless.

“Orange Man Bad” 

When you say. “Wow! Harris proposed a price control on grocery policy that even liberal publications are saying is right out of the communist playbook.” “I don’t think that’s going to be good for the country.”

Instead of replies disagreeing with a counter argument you get from the usual posters (Jose, Halisak, Gimmesomelies, Germs etc.) “Trump is a rapist, convicted felon, went bankrupt had 3 wives etc etc. etc.” It’s when someone is so far left they are unable to debate an issue so they just pivot to how bad Trump is. That’s what “Orange Man Bad” is. Akin to Whataboutism.

These are people who only vote on emotion. They need the President to be their friend. That’s what the Harris campaign appeals to. Voters who don’t care about policy, are voting for Good Vibes and if Kamala wants to take them down the communist path they will find away to justify its a great idea because their hate of the Orange Man is stronger than what policy may be right for the country.

Character matters to Democrats, not to modern Republicans - who are now the party of Trump, full stop. Character dictates whether someone will exploit the population or serve them. When one of two parties shows itself to have no standards or concern in this regard so long as they get (insert single issue here), their criticism of the other side should and will be ignored. If Democrats are fixated with the guy who denigrated modern US politics, it’s the fault of the party who saw that and asked for more. 

Sure they do. Full of character! Bob Menendez left a gold bar from Egypt for you at will call. 

I don’t know how people in good conscience can post that character matters about politicians. They all suck and anyone who supports and even worse donates to a politician or party is a sucker.

Here is one that should hit home to most of us. As AG Kamala Harris put over 1500 people in jail for marijuana charges, some with very small amounts. When asked if she ever smoked pot, she laughed about it. 

When 90% of your staff quit on you as VP because you’re condescending, a bully and downright mean, would that also represent your character?

When you can’t or won’t take questions from reporters or sit down for an interview when running for the highest job in the country, doesn’t that represent your character? Shouldn’t the public get to hear from her? Not speech writers and handlers?

Please respond how “Orange Man Bad” tho. Unreal.

Your 1500 number isn’t accurate. It was less than 100. Orange man bad though? 

mrussel1

Kamala Harris

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

Every administration, party and politician has mistakes. I don’t support Trump or Republicans. I’m for term limits and age limits. I hate career politicians. I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. I don’t need an emotional connection. 

The problem here is no one can accept any mistakes that Biden/Harris made. Obviously Harris isn’t qualified to be President, (2019 showed what everyone thought of her as a candidate). I’ve never seen anyone post anything about her achievements in the last 3.5 years that would make it any different. 3-4 months ago Dem Elites were floating ideas to replace her on Biden’s ticket.  But because she’s running against the evil Trump people are portraying her as the second coming of Christ. 

This is where you lose credibility. To say that Harris "isn't qualified to be President" doesn't make sense. You don't want any whataboutisms but trump clearly isn't qualified based on his attempt to overturn the election and the fact that none of his prior administration supports him.

You are seriously going to vote for a dipshit whose VP, SecDef, SecState, Chief of Staff, etc, do not support him.  They have told you that he isn't qualified. That gives you zero credibility.

Here we go again. The perfect opportunity to explain why Kamala is qualified, but you can’t. Immediately pivot to the Orange Man Bad theory once again. You just proved everything I’ve been saying. It’s OK, I realize you don’t know any better. 

I gave you reasons.  You ignore them. Weak. 

mickeyrat

Tim Simmons said:

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

benjs said:

teskeinc said:

BF25394 said:

teskeinc said:

Philly NJ said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Philly NJ said:

pjhawks said:

honestly don't get any person with an iq over 50 that would still vote for Trump.  I would think even maybe smart hardcore republicans would just sit this one out to get rid of this guy from their party.  

IQ does not equal common sense. I see a whole lot of people on this site that have been programed by the far left. Propaganda is a powerful tool.  We are all susceptible to it. 

Here is a big propaganda operation that pretty much the entire far left fell for and still believe: Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation. Joe said it, Harris said, 51 former "intelligence" officers said it.  If you still believe it, you have a big propaganda susceptibility problem.

Same for Repubs and magas with the immigration crisis. So, do tell, in what year will you be replaced?

Hunter’s laptop existed. Yes, we know that. The contents of which was what was in question. Turns out to have been a nothing burder but you fell for the propaganda that it proved Brandon’s corruption. I can’t wait for the October surprise. “10% to the big guy” proves this.

Say what? Do you know what was on the laptop? Why did Harris/Biden deny it? You are a case in point, the propaganda and lies worked on you and many on this site.

Facebook and social media worked with a political party to censor this. But the party saving Democracy was OK with the censorship because Orange Man Bad!

Sigh. The words "Orange Man Bad" have never escaped my lips (or fingertips). And the only times I've ever heard them are from Trump supporters purporting to characterize the views of those who don't support Trump. I don't know what's in the minds of those who express themselves this way, but it seems to me that they don't really have a response to many of the criticisms of Trump, so they reduce them to a caricature and ignore the specifics, which are indefensible.

"He tried to steal the last election ("find me 11,780 votes") and still has not conceded it is not "Orange Man Bad." "He attempted to extort a foreign leader to obtain dirt on his political opponent" is not "Orange Man Bad." "He wants to abandon the alliances that have maintained stability and order in much of the world for over 75 years" is not "Orange Man Bad." "He wants to pardon a bunch of traitors who stormed the Capitol" is not "Orange Man Bad." "He completely mishandled a public-health emergency" is not "Orange Man Bad." "He lies, all the time, about everything" is not "Orange Man Bad." "He is a person of the lowest character" is not "Orange Man Bad," though I'll admit that it is "Man Bad," and call me crazy for thinking that we should avoid giving power to bad people. And we're not talking about a person with flaws. We all have flaws. This is a singularly mendacious and self-centered individual. If you cannot see that, you are blind. Or, if you do see that and don't care, you are reckless.

“Orange Man Bad” 

When you say. “Wow! Harris proposed a price control on grocery policy that even liberal publications are saying is right out of the communist playbook.” “I don’t think that’s going to be good for the country.”

Instead of replies disagreeing with a counter argument you get from the usual posters (Jose, Halisak, Gimmesomelies, Germs etc.) “Trump is a rapist, convicted felon, went bankrupt had 3 wives etc etc. etc.” It’s when someone is so far left they are unable to debate an issue so they just pivot to how bad Trump is. That’s what “Orange Man Bad” is. Akin to Whataboutism.

These are people who only vote on emotion. They need the President to be their friend. That’s what the Harris campaign appeals to. Voters who don’t care about policy, are voting for Good Vibes and if Kamala wants to take them down the communist path they will find away to justify its a great idea because their hate of the Orange Man is stronger than what policy may be right for the country.

Character matters to Democrats, not to modern Republicans - who are now the party of Trump, full stop. Character dictates whether someone will exploit the population or serve them. When one of two parties shows itself to have no standards or concern in this regard so long as they get (insert single issue here), their criticism of the other side should and will be ignored. If Democrats are fixated with the guy who denigrated modern US politics, it’s the fault of the party who saw that and asked for more. 

Sure they do. Full of character! Bob Menendez left a gold bar from Egypt for you at will call. 

I don’t know how people in good conscience can post that character matters about politicians. They all suck and anyone who supports and even worse donates to a politician or party is a sucker.

Here is one that should hit home to most of us. As AG Kamala Harris put over 1500 people in jail for marijuana charges, some with very small amounts. When asked if she ever smoked pot, she laughed about it. 

When 90% of your staff quit on you as VP because you’re condescending, a bully and downright mean, would that also represent your character?

When you can’t or won’t take questions from reporters or sit down for an interview when running for the highest job in the country, doesn’t that represent your character? Shouldn’t the public get to hear from her? Not speech writers and handlers?

Please respond how “Orange Man Bad” tho. Unreal.

Hey, notice that Democrats didn't cry "DEEP STATE", 'CROOKED DOJ" when Menendez was indicted.  Notice he was indicted by a D administration?  Notice that not one Democrat here, or basically anywhere supports him?  

Regarding marijuana, are you now against DA's that follow the laws of their state and prosecute people who break them?  

She is both far left, allowing lawlessness to run wild, and a cop. Multitudes! 

something for everyone.

mickeyrat

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

Every administration, party and politician has mistakes. I don’t support Trump or Republicans. I’m for term limits and age limits. I hate career politicians. I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. I don’t need an emotional connection. 

The problem here is no one can accept any mistakes that Biden/Harris made. Obviously Harris isn’t qualified to be President, (2019 showed what everyone thought of her as a candidate). I’ve never seen anyone post anything about her achievements in the last 3.5 years that would make it any different. 3-4 months ago Dem Elites were floating ideas to replace her on Biden’s ticket.  But because she’s running against the evil Trump people are portraying her as the second coming of Christ. 

This is where you lose credibility. To say that Harris "isn't qualified to be President" doesn't make sense. You don't want any whataboutisms but trump clearly isn't qualified based on his attempt to overturn the election and the fact that none of his prior administration supports him.

You are seriously going to vote for a dipshit whose VP, SecDef, SecState, Chief of Staff, etc, do not support him.  They have told you that he isn't qualified. That gives you zero credibility.

Here we go again. The perfect opportunity to explain why Kamala is qualified, but you can’t. Immediately pivot to the Orange Man Bad theory once again. You just proved everything I’ve been saying. It’s OK, I realize you don’t know any better. 

and you have ducked virtually every fucking question as to policy etc on why you will vote for the felon.

teskeinc

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Obama/Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Halifax2TheMax

Philly NJ said:

Attention all intellectually honest people: I have noticed that if you present facts of incompetence, wrong-doing, bad policy, etc, of Harris/Biden, expect their supporters to deflect, deny or minimize.  Also, if you present facts from the 3.5 years Harris/Biden have held the White House, expect their supporters to say that is “old” news unless it is favorable to Harris/Biden. But they will go back to the beginning of time with their comments. Hilarious.

Denial is a defense mechanism that can describe when someone refuses to accept objective facts or experiences, especially when it's difficult to integrate them into their current thinking. It's an unconscious process that can protect people from anxiety or discomfort. Denial can be as simple as not believing someone is being truthful, or as complex as avoiding acknowledging weaknesses or desires. 

In psychology, denialism is when someone chooses to deny reality to avoid believing in an uncomfortable truth. It can be an irrational action that prevents someone from validating a historical event or reality that can be empirically verified. 

If you were “intellectually honest”, you’d answer two very easy and basic questions:

1. Did POOTWH legitimately lose the 2020 election or did the “deep state” steal it from him?

2. In what year do you figure that you’ll be replaced?

mrussel1

Kamala Harris

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Wait a minute.  Let's unpack this:

1. Trump isn't responsible for the economy tanking due to Covid.  Fine, agreed.
2. If that's the case, then Biden isn't responsible for inflation post-COVID because it hit every major nation and the US's rate was lower than all G8 nations.  
3. You want to say the Inflation reduction act caused inflation?  Well that might be the case except the Act occurred AFTER inflation had already started. 
4. You want to blame the stimulus from Biden for inflation?  Then fine, do that.  But let's not forget PPP and Trumps two stimulus checks were a greater impact to inflation then. 

Here's what Trump is responsible for:  Signing the tax cuts that have accelerated the debt yet he NEVER broke 3% GDP annualized growth. Let's see what Trump said when he signed them in Dec 2017 “The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” 

So Trump said it would be 4,5,6% yet never touched 3% under him.  Why hasn't he apologized for that lie?  Don't worry, I know you won't reply to this.  

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Wait a minute.  Let's unpack this:

1. Trump isn't responsible for the economy tanking due to Covid.  Fine, agreed.
2. If that's the case, then Biden isn't responsible for inflation post-COVID because it hit every major nation and the US's rate was lower than all G8 nations.  
3. You want to say the Inflation reduction act caused inflation?  Well that might be the case except the Act occurred AFTER inflation had already started. 
4. You want to blame the stimulus from Biden for inflation?  Then fine, do that.  But let's not forget PPP and Trumps two stimulus checks were a greater impact to inflation then. 

Here's what Trump is responsible for:  Signing the tax cuts that have accelerated the debt yet he NEVER broke 3% GDP annualized growth. Let's see what Trump said when he signed them in Dec 2017 “The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” 

So Trump said it would be 4,5,6% yet never touched 3% under him.  Why hasn't he apologized for that lie?  Don't worry, I know you won't reply to this.  

And let’s not forget the fact that we were told that the tax cuts would pay for themselves despite requiring 4% GDP growth quarter over quarter, year over year for 10 fucking years. Talk about “intellectual dishonesty.”

Go Beavers

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Obama/Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

There was more than one reason Trump won, but being tired of BS was far down the list. 

The Juggler

Kamala Harris

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Wait a minute.  Let's unpack this:

1. Trump isn't responsible for the economy tanking due to Covid.  Fine, agreed.
2. If that's the case, then Biden isn't responsible for inflation post-COVID because it hit every major nation and the US's rate was lower than all G8 nations.  
3. You want to say the Inflation reduction act caused inflation?  Well that might be the case except the Act occurred AFTER inflation had already started. 
4. You want to blame the stimulus from Biden for inflation?  Then fine, do that.  But let's not forget PPP and Trumps two stimulus checks were a greater impact to inflation then. 

Here's what Trump is responsible for:  Signing the tax cuts that have accelerated the debt yet he NEVER broke 3% GDP annualized growth. Let's see what Trump said when he signed them in Dec 2017 “The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” 

So Trump said it would be 4,5,6% yet never touched 3% under him.  Why hasn't he apologized for that lie?  Don't worry, I know you won't reply to this.  

And let’s not forget the fact that we were told that the tax cuts would pay for themselves despite requiring 4% GDP growth quarter over quarter, year over year for 10 fucking years. Talk about “intellectual dishonesty.”

Facts literally do not matter with these.. people. 

They're like bots on twitter. 

Tim Simmons

Kamala Harris

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Obama/Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Thats fair. IMO, I don't think inflation is disqualifying. Its natural and is being dealt with in the best way possible to maintain economic growth. The recovery package contributed, certainly, but it was necessary at the time. I don't think we'll know the full impact (or lack there of) of the Inflation Reduction Act for several years, right now, it seems fine. But inflation is a confluence of factors driven out of the covid recession. This was gonna happen even if Trump got a second term because every other economy in the world post covid is dealing with it. America is one of the few economies thriving despite it.

But then that moves into the real discussion thats been brought up several time in the past month. If you think Trump can deal with it better, top economists have said his economic plan will lead to making it worse (large tax cuts for corps/wealthy, medium tax cuts for middle america and large tariffs on china, which will be passed off to the American consumer, off setting those middle America tax cuts and making things more expensive). I just don't see how thats a viable economic plan to reduce inflation vs staying the course now which is working, albeit slowly. 

Tim Simmons

Kamala Harris

Halifax2TheMax said:

Philly NJ said:

Attention all intellectually honest people: I have noticed that if you present facts of incompetence, wrong-doing, bad policy, etc, of Harris/Biden, expect their supporters to deflect, deny or minimize.  Also, if you present facts from the 3.5 years Harris/Biden have held the White House, expect their supporters to say that is “old” news unless it is favorable to Harris/Biden. But they will go back to the beginning of time with their comments. Hilarious.

Denial is a defense mechanism that can describe when someone refuses to accept objective facts or experiences, especially when it's difficult to integrate them into their current thinking. It's an unconscious process that can protect people from anxiety or discomfort. Denial can be as simple as not believing someone is being truthful, or as complex as avoiding acknowledging weaknesses or desires. 

In psychology, denialism is when someone chooses to deny reality to avoid believing in an uncomfortable truth. It can be an irrational action that prevents someone from validating a historical event or reality that can be empirically verified. 

POOTWH

Sorry, what does this mean?

teskeinc

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Wait a minute.  Let's unpack this:

1. Trump isn't responsible for the economy tanking due to Covid.  Fine, agreed.
2. If that's the case, then Biden isn't responsible for inflation post-COVID because it hit every major nation and the US's rate was lower than all G8 nations.  
3. You want to say the Inflation reduction act caused inflation?  Well that might be the case except the Act occurred AFTER inflation had already started. 
4. You want to blame the stimulus from Biden for inflation?  Then fine, do that.  But let's not forget PPP and Trumps two stimulus checks were a greater impact to inflation then. 

Here's what Trump is responsible for:  Signing the tax cuts that have accelerated the debt yet he NEVER broke 3% GDP annualized growth. Let's see what Trump said when he signed them in Dec 2017 “The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” 

So Trump said it would be 4,5,6% yet never touched 3% under him.  Why hasn't he apologized for that lie?  Don't worry, I know you won't reply to this.  

It’s always someone else’s fault. Never Democrats fault. You want me to respond why Trump didn’t apologize to you? No President has cared about the debt since Clinton. They all increased it.

The Juggler

Kamala Harris

teskeinc said:

mrussel1 said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

 I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. 

Also, this is fine. But understand, Trump had no political accomplishments before running for president (other than political shit posting) and people deemed him worthy of the biggest role in the world. You may disagree with or that Harris'  had accomplishments as DA, Senator or VP, but at the very least you have to see that people are willing to take that risk (like people took with Trump in 2016) because people DON"T think things were better with Trump.

Totally agree. But you had to understand their reason. People were tired of the same BS from the same shithead politicians. That coupled with a terrible candidate in Hilary Clinton lead to a win. Trump took over a great economy from Biden and did well until Covid. If you want to blame Covid on Trump go ahead. He made mistakes handling it but I don’t know if any leader in the world handled it perfect. We know now frauds like Fauci were lying and just literally making things up. In Trumps defense he did get the vaccines started and funded and got money to the citizens averting an even bigger economic crises. Biden did fine navigating the rest of Covid when he took over. Obviously he made mistakes on his huge trillion dollar recovery package and Inflation Reduction Act. 

End of the day. You have to own your term. Biden/Harris lead us to 20% inflation. That’s the number one decider this year. There’s no spin from PJ Forum members at the average American families homes. They know where they were economically during Trump vs now with Biden/Harris. No matter how many Value Meals McDonalds adds to the menu.

Wait a minute.  Let's unpack this:

1. Trump isn't responsible for the economy tanking due to Covid.  Fine, agreed.
2. If that's the case, then Biden isn't responsible for inflation post-COVID because it hit every major nation and the US's rate was lower than all G8 nations.  
3. You want to say the Inflation reduction act caused inflation?  Well that might be the case except the Act occurred AFTER inflation had already started. 
4. You want to blame the stimulus from Biden for inflation?  Then fine, do that.  But let's not forget PPP and Trumps two stimulus checks were a greater impact to inflation then. 

Here's what Trump is responsible for:  Signing the tax cuts that have accelerated the debt yet he NEVER broke 3% GDP annualized growth. Let's see what Trump said when he signed them in Dec 2017 “The economy now is at 3%. Nobody thought it would be anywhere close. I think it could go to 4, 5, and maybe even 6%, ultimately.” 

So Trump said it would be 4,5,6% yet never touched 3% under him.  Why hasn't he apologized for that lie?  Don't worry, I know you won't reply to this.  

It’s always someone else’s fault. Never Democrats fault. You want me to respond why Trump didn’t apologize to you? No President has cared about the debt since Clinton. They all increased it.

Can you make an attempt to respond to each of Russ's 4 points?

Halifax2TheMax

Tim Simmons said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Philly NJ said:

Attention all intellectually honest people: I have noticed that if you present facts of incompetence, wrong-doing, bad policy, etc, of Harris/Biden, expect their supporters to deflect, deny or minimize.  Also, if you present facts from the 3.5 years Harris/Biden have held the White House, expect their supporters to say that is “old” news unless it is favorable to Harris/Biden. But they will go back to the beginning of time with their comments. Hilarious.

Denial is a defense mechanism that can describe when someone refuses to accept objective facts or experiences, especially when it's difficult to integrate them into their current thinking. It's an unconscious process that can protect people from anxiety or discomfort. Denial can be as simple as not believing someone is being truthful, or as complex as avoiding acknowledging weaknesses or desires. 

In psychology, denialism is when someone chooses to deny reality to avoid believing in an uncomfortable truth. It can be an irrational action that prevents someone from validating a historical event or reality that can be empirically verified. 

POOTWH

Sorry, what does this mean?

Previous Occupant Of The White House. I refuse to type that POS’s name.

teskeinc

Halifax2TheMax said:

Philly NJ said:

Attention all intellectually honest people: I have noticed that if you present facts of incompetence, wrong-doing, bad policy, etc, of Harris/Biden, expect their supporters to deflect, deny or minimize.  Also, if you present facts from the 3.5 years Harris/Biden have held the White House, expect their supporters to say that is “old” news unless it is favorable to Harris/Biden. But they will go back to the beginning of time with their comments. Hilarious.

Denial is a defense mechanism that can describe when someone refuses to accept objective facts or experiences, especially when it's difficult to integrate them into their current thinking. It's an unconscious process that can protect people from anxiety or discomfort. Denial can be as simple as not believing someone is being truthful, or as complex as avoiding acknowledging weaknesses or desires. 

In psychology, denialism is when someone chooses to deny reality to avoid believing in an uncomfortable truth. It can be an irrational action that prevents someone from validating a historical event or reality that can be empirically verified. 

If you were “intellectually honest”, you’d answer two very easy and basic questions:

1. Did POOTWH legitimately lose the 2020 election or did the “deep state” steal it from him?

2. In what year do you figure that you’ll be replaced?

What is POOTWH anyway?
Yes, Biden won. I’ve never disputed it.
I have no fucking clue what you are even asking.

Tim Simmons

Kamala Harris

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tim Simmons said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Philly NJ said:

Attention all intellectually honest people: I have noticed that if you present facts of incompetence, wrong-doing, bad policy, etc, of Harris/Biden, expect their supporters to deflect, deny or minimize.  Also, if you present facts from the 3.5 years Harris/Biden have held the White House, expect their supporters to say that is “old” news unless it is favorable to Harris/Biden. But they will go back to the beginning of time with their comments. Hilarious.

Denial is a defense mechanism that can describe when someone refuses to accept objective facts or experiences, especially when it's difficult to integrate them into their current thinking. It's an unconscious process that can protect people from anxiety or discomfort. Denial can be as simple as not believing someone is being truthful, or as complex as avoiding acknowledging weaknesses or desires. 

In psychology, denialism is when someone chooses to deny reality to avoid believing in an uncomfortable truth. It can be an irrational action that prevents someone from validating a historical event or reality that can be empirically verified. 

POOTWH

Sorry, what does this mean?

Previous Occupant Of The White House. I refuse to type that POS’s name.

gotcha

Gern Blansten

Donald Trump

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think you'll find that most Biden and/or Harris supporters know that there has been bad policy positions, missteps, and bad takes. I certainly hope Trump supporters feel that way about their candidate too.

also, just because people don't see the world your way, its fucking denialism. thats a lazy take.

Every administration, party and politician has mistakes. I don’t support Trump or Republicans. I’m for term limits and age limits. I hate career politicians. I’m voting simply because I think the country was run better under Trump. I don’t need an emotional connection. 

The problem here is no one can accept any mistakes that Biden/Harris made. Obviously Harris isn’t qualified to be President, (2019 showed what everyone thought of her as a candidate). I’ve never seen anyone post anything about her achievements in the last 3.5 years that would make it any different. 3-4 months ago Dem Elites were floating ideas to replace her on Biden’s ticket.  But because she’s running against the evil Trump people are portraying her as the second coming of Christ. 

This is where you lose credibility. To say that Harris "isn't qualified to be President" doesn't make sense. You don't want any whataboutisms but trump clearly isn't qualified based on his attempt to overturn the election and the fact that none of his prior administration supports him.

You are seriously going to vote for a dipshit whose VP, SecDef, SecState, Chief of Staff, etc, do not support him.  They have told you that he isn't qualified. That gives you zero credibility.

Here we go again. The perfect opportunity to explain why Kamala is qualified, but you can’t. Immediately pivot to the Orange Man Bad theory once again. You just proved everything I’ve been saying. It’s OK, I realize you don’t know any better. 

DA...Senator...VP for four years...qualified. I really have to spell that out for you? Did you buy your JD Vance jizz cup yet?