Keeping Men out of Women's Sports

Tim Simmons

DarthMaeglin said:

Tim Simmons said:

I also don’t stand for it when my aunt claims that trans people need to be banned from women’s change rooms because they’re really just perverts putting on a dress so they can ogle women. Or do I let that broad (and demonstrably false) generalization stand as well?

No. What you are doing there is fine. You are standing up for marginalized people. Conservatives as a brand are not marginalized. 

 I mean, planting a flag for #NotAllConservatives is a choice. 

Tim Simmons

Completely ignoring the fact that I was clearly talking bout America after posting a tweet by an American about the president of US. So IDK how a Canadian conservative would be “HEY he’s talking about me I guess”. 

DarthMaeglin

Tim Simmons said:

Completely ignoring the fact that I was clearly talking bout America after posting a tweet by an American about the president of US. So IDK how a Canadian conservative would be “HEY he’s talking about me I guess”. 

It gets a bit difficult to follow when the quote feature isn’t used and posts can easily be misread. Doesn’t absolve me of any responsibility though, you’re correct.

Tim Simmons

That’s fair. This hadn’t been topped in a minute when I posted so it wasn’t really in response to anything but the thread topic. 

Halifax2TheMax

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tim Simmons said:

No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in. 

But there in lies the problem and issue. “Normal” conservatives, if they exist, need to shout down, drown out, reject and kick out those views and voices the US, Canada, EU and Asian countries fought two world wars to defeat. Dems seem to be the only ones responsible for stopping it and it ain’t going to happen. Ignore it here, let it fester, and Canada will be like the US in 5-10 years with what you’re seeing now in the US. And if those “normal” conservatives are not rejecting what they’re seeing, then I suppose they’re on board, for whatever reason, just not vocal about it, again for whatever the reason. Just like the Nazi party from 1923 -1939.

Canada has already rejected trumpism, twice (that douchebag from Shark Tank and then PP and his Canada First bullshit). I am confident now it won't happen. 

I’m breaking my own word to point out that you claimed you don’t say Canadian Conservatives are MAGA, then claim we rejected trumpism by voting in successive Liberal governments. You’re giving me whiplash.

Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.

Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?

You’re mistaken with this analogy. This didn’t come out of the blue in a vacuum. This was a direct response taken in response to a unilateral action by your largest ally and trading partner in violation of the trade agreement they demanded, negotiated and accepted the last time they were in office. Under false pretences, I might add (unsecured border, flooding the US with fentanyl). In other words, responding to a bully, a dick and an idiot.

We get it, conservatives don’t like it when there is forceful opposition to their world view. They just want us libs to roll over and submit.

Would you like Canada to be the 51st state?

DarthMaeglin

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tim Simmons said:

No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in. 

But there in lies the problem and issue. “Normal” conservatives, if they exist, need to shout down, drown out, reject and kick out those views and voices the US, Canada, EU and Asian countries fought two world wars to defeat. Dems seem to be the only ones responsible for stopping it and it ain’t going to happen. Ignore it here, let it fester, and Canada will be like the US in 5-10 years with what you’re seeing now in the US. And if those “normal” conservatives are not rejecting what they’re seeing, then I suppose they’re on board, for whatever reason, just not vocal about it, again for whatever the reason. Just like the Nazi party from 1923 -1939.

Canada has already rejected trumpism, twice (that douchebag from Shark Tank and then PP and his Canada First bullshit). I am confident now it won't happen. 

I’m breaking my own word to point out that you claimed you don’t say Canadian Conservatives are MAGA, then claim we rejected trumpism by voting in successive Liberal governments. You’re giving me whiplash.

Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.

Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?

You’re mistaken with this analogy. This didn’t come out of the blue in a vacuum. This was a direct response taken in response to a unilateral action by your largest ally and trading partner in violation of the trade agreement they demanded, negotiated and accepted the last time they were in office. Under false pretences, I might add (unsecured border, flooding the US with fentanyl). In other words, responding to a bully, a dick and an idiot.

We get it, conservatives don’t like it when there is forceful opposition to their world view. They just want us libs to roll over and submit.

Would you like Canada to be the 51st state?

Wrong thread I think.

And I have believed for decades that Canada will wake up one day and be part of the USA. It’s inevitable, you want and need our resources too much. But we’ll never be a State because of how it would affect your electoral outcomes.

Halifax2TheMax

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tim Simmons said:

No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in. 

But there in lies the problem and issue. “Normal” conservatives, if they exist, need to shout down, drown out, reject and kick out those views and voices the US, Canada, EU and Asian countries fought two world wars to defeat. Dems seem to be the only ones responsible for stopping it and it ain’t going to happen. Ignore it here, let it fester, and Canada will be like the US in 5-10 years with what you’re seeing now in the US. And if those “normal” conservatives are not rejecting what they’re seeing, then I suppose they’re on board, for whatever reason, just not vocal about it, again for whatever the reason. Just like the Nazi party from 1923 -1939.

Canada has already rejected trumpism, twice (that douchebag from Shark Tank and then PP and his Canada First bullshit). I am confident now it won't happen. 

I’m breaking my own word to point out that you claimed you don’t say Canadian Conservatives are MAGA, then claim we rejected trumpism by voting in successive Liberal governments. You’re giving me whiplash.

Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.

Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?

You’re mistaken with this analogy. This didn’t come out of the blue in a vacuum. This was a direct response taken in response to a unilateral action by your largest ally and trading partner in violation of the trade agreement they demanded, negotiated and accepted the last time they were in office. Under false pretences, I might add (unsecured border, flooding the US with fentanyl). In other words, responding to a bully, a dick and an idiot.

We get it, conservatives don’t like it when there is forceful opposition to their world view. They just want us libs to roll over and submit.

Would you like Canada to be the 51st state?

Wrong thread I think.

And I have believed for decades that Canada will wake up one day and be part of the USA. It’s inevitable, you want and need our resources too much. But we’ll never be a State because of how it would affect your electoral outcomes.

When or which decade do you see that happening, if you’ve been thinking it would happen for decades? Sounds like the gun nutters in the US claiming Dems are going to take their guns away. They’ve been saying it since Carter.

Halifax2TheMax

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tim Simmons said:

No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in. 

But there in lies the problem and issue. “Normal” conservatives, if they exist, need to shout down, drown out, reject and kick out those views and voices the US, Canada, EU and Asian countries fought two world wars to defeat. Dems seem to be the only ones responsible for stopping it and it ain’t going to happen. Ignore it here, let it fester, and Canada will be like the US in 5-10 years with what you’re seeing now in the US. And if those “normal” conservatives are not rejecting what they’re seeing, then I suppose they’re on board, for whatever reason, just not vocal about it, again for whatever the reason. Just like the Nazi party from 1923 -1939.

Canada has already rejected trumpism, twice (that douchebag from Shark Tank and then PP and his Canada First bullshit). I am confident now it won't happen. 

I’m breaking my own word to point out that you claimed you don’t say Canadian Conservatives are MAGA, then claim we rejected trumpism by voting in successive Liberal governments. You’re giving me whiplash.

Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.

Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?

You’re mistaken with this analogy. This didn’t come out of the blue in a vacuum. This was a direct response taken in response to a unilateral action by your largest ally and trading partner in violation of the trade agreement they demanded, negotiated and accepted the last time they were in office. Under false pretences, I might add (unsecured border, flooding the US with fentanyl). In other words, responding to a bully, a dick and an idiot.

We get it, conservatives don’t like it when there is forceful opposition to their world view. They just want us libs to roll over and submit.

Would you like Canada to be the 51st state?

Wrong thread I think.

And I have believed for decades that Canada will wake up one day and be part of the USA. It’s inevitable, you want and need our resources too much. But we’ll never be a State because of how it would affect your electoral outcomes.

When or which decade do you see that happening, if you’ve been thinking it would happen for decades? Sounds like the gun nutters in the US claiming Dems are going to take their guns away. They’ve been saying it since Carter.

DarthMaeglin

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tim Simmons said:

No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in. 

But there in lies the problem and issue. “Normal” conservatives, if they exist, need to shout down, drown out, reject and kick out those views and voices the US, Canada, EU and Asian countries fought two world wars to defeat. Dems seem to be the only ones responsible for stopping it and it ain’t going to happen. Ignore it here, let it fester, and Canada will be like the US in 5-10 years with what you’re seeing now in the US. And if those “normal” conservatives are not rejecting what they’re seeing, then I suppose they’re on board, for whatever reason, just not vocal about it, again for whatever the reason. Just like the Nazi party from 1923 -1939.

Canada has already rejected trumpism, twice (that douchebag from Shark Tank and then PP and his Canada First bullshit). I am confident now it won't happen. 

I’m breaking my own word to point out that you claimed you don’t say Canadian Conservatives are MAGA, then claim we rejected trumpism by voting in successive Liberal governments. You’re giving me whiplash.

Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.

Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?

You’re mistaken with this analogy. This didn’t come out of the blue in a vacuum. This was a direct response taken in response to a unilateral action by your largest ally and trading partner in violation of the trade agreement they demanded, negotiated and accepted the last time they were in office. Under false pretences, I might add (unsecured border, flooding the US with fentanyl). In other words, responding to a bully, a dick and an idiot.

We get it, conservatives don’t like it when there is forceful opposition to their world view. They just want us libs to roll over and submit.

Would you like Canada to be the 51st state?

Wrong thread I think.

And I have believed for decades that Canada will wake up one day and be part of the USA. It’s inevitable, you want and need our resources too much. But we’ll never be a State because of how it would affect your electoral outcomes.

When or which decade do you see that happening, if you’ve been thinking it would happen for decades? Sounds like the gun nutters in the US claiming Dems are going to take their guns away. They’ve been saying it since Carter.

I don’t really expect it to happen in my own lifetime, however never say never.

Since you asked for them, what are your thoughts about my own views on the thread topic?

Halifax2TheMax

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tim Simmons said:

No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in. 

But there in lies the problem and issue. “Normal” conservatives, if they exist, need to shout down, drown out, reject and kick out those views and voices the US, Canada, EU and Asian countries fought two world wars to defeat. Dems seem to be the only ones responsible for stopping it and it ain’t going to happen. Ignore it here, let it fester, and Canada will be like the US in 5-10 years with what you’re seeing now in the US. And if those “normal” conservatives are not rejecting what they’re seeing, then I suppose they’re on board, for whatever reason, just not vocal about it, again for whatever the reason. Just like the Nazi party from 1923 -1939.

Canada has already rejected trumpism, twice (that douchebag from Shark Tank and then PP and his Canada First bullshit). I am confident now it won't happen. 

I’m breaking my own word to point out that you claimed you don’t say Canadian Conservatives are MAGA, then claim we rejected trumpism by voting in successive Liberal governments. You’re giving me whiplash.

Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.

Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?

You’re mistaken with this analogy. This didn’t come out of the blue in a vacuum. This was a direct response taken in response to a unilateral action by your largest ally and trading partner in violation of the trade agreement they demanded, negotiated and accepted the last time they were in office. Under false pretences, I might add (unsecured border, flooding the US with fentanyl). In other words, responding to a bully, a dick and an idiot.

We get it, conservatives don’t like it when there is forceful opposition to their world view. They just want us libs to roll over and submit.

Would you like Canada to be the 51st state?

Wrong thread I think.

And I have believed for decades that Canada will wake up one day and be part of the USA. It’s inevitable, you want and need our resources too much. But we’ll never be a State because of how it would affect your electoral outcomes.

When or which decade do you see that happening, if you’ve been thinking it would happen for decades? Sounds like the gun nutters in the US claiming Dems are going to take their guns away. They’ve been saying it since Carter.

I don’t really expect it to happen in my own lifetime, however never say never.

Since you asked for them, what are your thoughts about my own views on the thread topic?

Let me scroll back and review. It’s often that posts get buried and I forget which thread they’re in to reply to.

DarthMaeglin

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tim Simmons said:

No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in. 

But there in lies the problem and issue. “Normal” conservatives, if they exist, need to shout down, drown out, reject and kick out those views and voices the US, Canada, EU and Asian countries fought two world wars to defeat. Dems seem to be the only ones responsible for stopping it and it ain’t going to happen. Ignore it here, let it fester, and Canada will be like the US in 5-10 years with what you’re seeing now in the US. And if those “normal” conservatives are not rejecting what they’re seeing, then I suppose they’re on board, for whatever reason, just not vocal about it, again for whatever the reason. Just like the Nazi party from 1923 -1939.

Canada has already rejected trumpism, twice (that douchebag from Shark Tank and then PP and his Canada First bullshit). I am confident now it won't happen. 

I’m breaking my own word to point out that you claimed you don’t say Canadian Conservatives are MAGA, then claim we rejected trumpism by voting in successive Liberal governments. You’re giving me whiplash.

Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.

Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?

You’re mistaken with this analogy. This didn’t come out of the blue in a vacuum. This was a direct response taken in response to a unilateral action by your largest ally and trading partner in violation of the trade agreement they demanded, negotiated and accepted the last time they were in office. Under false pretences, I might add (unsecured border, flooding the US with fentanyl). In other words, responding to a bully, a dick and an idiot.

We get it, conservatives don’t like it when there is forceful opposition to their world view. They just want us libs to roll over and submit.

Would you like Canada to be the 51st state?

Wrong thread I think.

And I have believed for decades that Canada will wake up one day and be part of the USA. It’s inevitable, you want and need our resources too much. But we’ll never be a State because of how it would affect your electoral outcomes.

When or which decade do you see that happening, if you’ve been thinking it would happen for decades? Sounds like the gun nutters in the US claiming Dems are going to take their guns away. They’ve been saying it since Carter.

I don’t really expect it to happen in my own lifetime, however never say never.

Since you asked for them, what are your thoughts about my own views on the thread topic?

Let me scroll back and review. It’s often that posts get buried and I forget which thread they’re in to reply to.

Fair enough, lol.

Halifax2TheMax

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Tim Simmons said:

It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people. 



*which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished 

It’s always fun popping in here to see what I’m supposed to believe as a Conservative and contrast it with my actual beliefs.

There’s a difference between Canadian conservative ideology and views and US conservative ideology and views, in case you haven’t noticed.

The post to which I replied didn’t make any distinction, making Conservatives and bigots walk hand-in-hand.

Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.

However, the response was to my post of COOTWH’s actions, the climate of fear that US conservatives have fostered against the trans community in the US and a family from Maine deciding to leave the US. Context matters. They’re capable of defending their post so I’ll stop here.

So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.

20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.

Put simply I personally have no issues with trans people outside of the matter of sports. However even some family members are more in line with Tim’s blanket statement. So it’s a spectrum.

Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.

I believe this is the post you’re requesting I respond to.

while “you personally”, as a conservative have no issue with the trans community, what is the policy position of PP’s Conservative Party? Are they as open as you?

”Dont allow for ‘freedom of thought and belief’.” How is that manifested? Seems like a blanket statement and there’d have to be more than a one off to make it true, yes? From what I see and know, I don’t see liberals being silenced and if they are, they align/identify/switch to NDP or go Green. But what do I know? Whereas with conservatives, there may not be that space within the Conservative Party, more monolithic? and if you want an alternative, it’s fringe or Quebecois?

If my assumptions are correct, where in that context do you fall? And where do the conservative parties stand on trans rights?

DarthMaeglin

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Tim Simmons said:

It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people. 



*which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished 

It’s always fun popping in here to see what I’m supposed to believe as a Conservative and contrast it with my actual beliefs.

There’s a difference between Canadian conservative ideology and views and US conservative ideology and views, in case you haven’t noticed.

The post to which I replied didn’t make any distinction, making Conservatives and bigots walk hand-in-hand.

Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.

However, the response was to my post of COOTWH’s actions, the climate of fear that US conservatives have fostered against the trans community in the US and a family from Maine deciding to leave the US. Context matters. They’re capable of defending their post so I’ll stop here.

So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.

20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.

Put simply I personally have no issues with trans people outside of the matter of sports. However even some family members are more in line with Tim’s blanket statement. So it’s a spectrum.

Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.

I believe this is the post you’re requesting I respond to.

while “you personally”, as a conservative have no issue with the trans community, what is the policy position of PP’s Conservative Party? Are they as open as you?

”Dont allow for ‘freedom of thought and belief’.” How is that manifested? Seems like a blanket statement and there’d have to be more than a one off to make it true, yes? From what I see and know, I don’t see liberals being silenced and if they are, they align/identify/switch to NDP or go Green. But what do I know? Whereas with conservatives, there may not be that space within the Conservative Party, more monolithic? and if you want an alternative, it’s fringe or Quebecois?

If my assumptions are correct, where in that context do you fall? And where do the conservative parties stand on trans rights?

As far as I know the Conservative Party of Canada supports people transitioning as adults but being more cautious when it comes to minors, a stance I agree with, but I pay attention to the facts others consider inconvenient, like the reported cases of people regretting transitioning (which implies they never should have been approved in the first place).

In short, I agree with the CPC’s stance on the issue, one that I consider balanced with an eye to safeguarding our youth. Kind of like the line “Some words when spoken/Can’t be taken back” some actions have lasting, even permanent effects that aren’t desirable.

As for how the other parties tolerate dissent from within their own ranks, I gave a clear, documented case from our Liberal Party.

Halifax2TheMax

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Tim Simmons said:

It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people. 



*which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished 

It’s always fun popping in here to see what I’m supposed to believe as a Conservative and contrast it with my actual beliefs.

There’s a difference between Canadian conservative ideology and views and US conservative ideology and views, in case you haven’t noticed.

The post to which I replied didn’t make any distinction, making Conservatives and bigots walk hand-in-hand.

Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.

However, the response was to my post of COOTWH’s actions, the climate of fear that US conservatives have fostered against the trans community in the US and a family from Maine deciding to leave the US. Context matters. They’re capable of defending their post so I’ll stop here.

So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.

20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.

Put simply I personally have no issues with trans people outside of the matter of sports. However even some family members are more in line with Tim’s blanket statement. So it’s a spectrum.

Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.

I believe this is the post you’re requesting I respond to.

while “you personally”, as a conservative have no issue with the trans community, what is the policy position of PP’s Conservative Party? Are they as open as you?

”Dont allow for ‘freedom of thought and belief’.” How is that manifested? Seems like a blanket statement and there’d have to be more than a one off to make it true, yes? From what I see and know, I don’t see liberals being silenced and if they are, they align/identify/switch to NDP or go Green. But what do I know? Whereas with conservatives, there may not be that space within the Conservative Party, more monolithic? and if you want an alternative, it’s fringe or Quebecois?

If my assumptions are correct, where in that context do you fall? And where do the conservative parties stand on trans rights?

As far as I know the Conservative Party of Canada supports people transitioning as adults but being more cautious when it comes to minors, a stance I agree with, but I pay attention to the facts others consider inconvenient, like the reported cases of people regretting transitioning (which implies they never should have been approved in the first place).

In short, I agree with the CPC’s stance on the issue, one that I consider balanced with an eye to safeguarding our youth. Kind of like the line “Some words when spoken/Can’t be taken back” some actions have lasting, even permanent effects that aren’t desirable.

As for how the other parties tolerate dissent from within their own ranks, I gave a clear, documented case from our Liberal Party.

Sounds like COOTWH’s repub party and its hypocrisy. Conservatives crow about individual rights and freedoms except the ones they don’t like. As for regrets, less than 1% of youth in Canada who transition have regrets. So deny 99% of youth because you have to “protect” less than 1%. Fuzzy math. Also, agree that government should be between the child, their parents or guardian and their health care provider. It’s not like kids can walk into a doctor’s office and demand and receive transition care.

Same for a woman’s right to choose. An individual right to choose but because conservatives disagree, screw your individual rights and freedoms. How do you square those?

Canada’s conservatives seem very aligned with COOTWHism and the current US repub party on those two issues at least.

DarthMaeglin

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Tim Simmons said:

It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people. 



*which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished 

It’s always fun popping in here to see what I’m supposed to believe as a Conservative and contrast it with my actual beliefs.

There’s a difference between Canadian conservative ideology and views and US conservative ideology and views, in case you haven’t noticed.

The post to which I replied didn’t make any distinction, making Conservatives and bigots walk hand-in-hand.

Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.

However, the response was to my post of COOTWH’s actions, the climate of fear that US conservatives have fostered against the trans community in the US and a family from Maine deciding to leave the US. Context matters. They’re capable of defending their post so I’ll stop here.

So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.

20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.

Put simply I personally have no issues with trans people outside of the matter of sports. However even some family members are more in line with Tim’s blanket statement. So it’s a spectrum.

Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.

I believe this is the post you’re requesting I respond to.

while “you personally”, as a conservative have no issue with the trans community, what is the policy position of PP’s Conservative Party? Are they as open as you?

”Dont allow for ‘freedom of thought and belief’.” How is that manifested? Seems like a blanket statement and there’d have to be more than a one off to make it true, yes? From what I see and know, I don’t see liberals being silenced and if they are, they align/identify/switch to NDP or go Green. But what do I know? Whereas with conservatives, there may not be that space within the Conservative Party, more monolithic? and if you want an alternative, it’s fringe or Quebecois?

If my assumptions are correct, where in that context do you fall? And where do the conservative parties stand on trans rights?

As far as I know the Conservative Party of Canada supports people transitioning as adults but being more cautious when it comes to minors, a stance I agree with, but I pay attention to the facts others consider inconvenient, like the reported cases of people regretting transitioning (which implies they never should have been approved in the first place).

In short, I agree with the CPC’s stance on the issue, one that I consider balanced with an eye to safeguarding our youth. Kind of like the line “Some words when spoken/Can’t be taken back” some actions have lasting, even permanent effects that aren’t desirable.

As for how the other parties tolerate dissent from within their own ranks, I gave a clear, documented case from our Liberal Party.

Sounds like COOTWH’s repub party and its hypocrisy. Conservatives crow about individual rights and freedoms except the ones they don’t like. As for regrets, less than 1% of youth in Canada who transition have regrets. So deny 99% of youth because you have to “protect” less than 1%. Fuzzy math. Also, agree that government should be between the child, their parents or guardian and their health care provider. It’s not like kids can walk into a doctor’s office and demand and receive transition care.

Same for a woman’s right to choose. An individual right to choose but because conservatives disagree, screw your individual rights and freedoms. How do you square those?

Canada’s conservatives seem very aligned with COOTWHism and the current US repub party on those two issues at least.

So what was your take on my personal views? Could it maybe be that you and I aren’t that far apart on this issue?

Halifax2TheMax

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Tim Simmons said:

It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people. 



*which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished 

It’s always fun popping in here to see what I’m supposed to believe as a Conservative and contrast it with my actual beliefs.

There’s a difference between Canadian conservative ideology and views and US conservative ideology and views, in case you haven’t noticed.

The post to which I replied didn’t make any distinction, making Conservatives and bigots walk hand-in-hand.

Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.

However, the response was to my post of COOTWH’s actions, the climate of fear that US conservatives have fostered against the trans community in the US and a family from Maine deciding to leave the US. Context matters. They’re capable of defending their post so I’ll stop here.

So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.

20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.

Put simply I personally have no issues with trans people outside of the matter of sports. However even some family members are more in line with Tim’s blanket statement. So it’s a spectrum.

Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.

I believe this is the post you’re requesting I respond to.

while “you personally”, as a conservative have no issue with the trans community, what is the policy position of PP’s Conservative Party? Are they as open as you?

”Dont allow for ‘freedom of thought and belief’.” How is that manifested? Seems like a blanket statement and there’d have to be more than a one off to make it true, yes? From what I see and know, I don’t see liberals being silenced and if they are, they align/identify/switch to NDP or go Green. But what do I know? Whereas with conservatives, there may not be that space within the Conservative Party, more monolithic? and if you want an alternative, it’s fringe or Quebecois?

If my assumptions are correct, where in that context do you fall? And where do the conservative parties stand on trans rights?

As far as I know the Conservative Party of Canada supports people transitioning as adults but being more cautious when it comes to minors, a stance I agree with, but I pay attention to the facts others consider inconvenient, like the reported cases of people regretting transitioning (which implies they never should have been approved in the first place).

In short, I agree with the CPC’s stance on the issue, one that I consider balanced with an eye to safeguarding our youth. Kind of like the line “Some words when spoken/Can’t be taken back” some actions have lasting, even permanent effects that aren’t desirable.

As for how the other parties tolerate dissent from within their own ranks, I gave a clear, documented case from our Liberal Party.

Sounds like COOTWH’s repub party and its hypocrisy. Conservatives crow about individual rights and freedoms except the ones they don’t like. As for regrets, less than 1% of youth in Canada who transition have regrets. So deny 99% of youth because you have to “protect” less than 1%. Fuzzy math. Also, agree that government should be between the child, their parents or guardian and their health care provider. It’s not like kids can walk into a doctor’s office and demand and receive transition care.

Same for a woman’s right to choose. An individual right to choose but because conservatives disagree, screw your individual rights and freedoms. How do you square those?

Canada’s conservatives seem very aligned with COOTWHism and the current US repub party on those two issues at least.

So what was your take on my personal views? Could it maybe be that you and I aren’t that far apart on this issue?

You said you were aligned with CPC’s position, which I disagree with. We’re very far apart on this issue.

DarthMaeglin

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Tim Simmons said:

It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people. 



*which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished 

It’s always fun popping in here to see what I’m supposed to believe as a Conservative and contrast it with my actual beliefs.

There’s a difference between Canadian conservative ideology and views and US conservative ideology and views, in case you haven’t noticed.

The post to which I replied didn’t make any distinction, making Conservatives and bigots walk hand-in-hand.

Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.

However, the response was to my post of COOTWH’s actions, the climate of fear that US conservatives have fostered against the trans community in the US and a family from Maine deciding to leave the US. Context matters. They’re capable of defending their post so I’ll stop here.

So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.

20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.

Put simply I personally have no issues with trans people outside of the matter of sports. However even some family members are more in line with Tim’s blanket statement. So it’s a spectrum.

Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.

I believe this is the post you’re requesting I respond to.

while “you personally”, as a conservative have no issue with the trans community, what is the policy position of PP’s Conservative Party? Are they as open as you?

”Dont allow for ‘freedom of thought and belief’.” How is that manifested? Seems like a blanket statement and there’d have to be more than a one off to make it true, yes? From what I see and know, I don’t see liberals being silenced and if they are, they align/identify/switch to NDP or go Green. But what do I know? Whereas with conservatives, there may not be that space within the Conservative Party, more monolithic? and if you want an alternative, it’s fringe or Quebecois?

If my assumptions are correct, where in that context do you fall? And where do the conservative parties stand on trans rights?

As far as I know the Conservative Party of Canada supports people transitioning as adults but being more cautious when it comes to minors, a stance I agree with, but I pay attention to the facts others consider inconvenient, like the reported cases of people regretting transitioning (which implies they never should have been approved in the first place).

In short, I agree with the CPC’s stance on the issue, one that I consider balanced with an eye to safeguarding our youth. Kind of like the line “Some words when spoken/Can’t be taken back” some actions have lasting, even permanent effects that aren’t desirable.

As for how the other parties tolerate dissent from within their own ranks, I gave a clear, documented case from our Liberal Party.

Sounds like COOTWH’s repub party and its hypocrisy. Conservatives crow about individual rights and freedoms except the ones they don’t like. As for regrets, less than 1% of youth in Canada who transition have regrets. So deny 99% of youth because you have to “protect” less than 1%. Fuzzy math. Also, agree that government should be between the child, their parents or guardian and their health care provider. It’s not like kids can walk into a doctor’s office and demand and receive transition care.

Same for a woman’s right to choose. An individual right to choose but because conservatives disagree, screw your individual rights and freedoms. How do you square those?

Canada’s conservatives seem very aligned with COOTWHism and the current US repub party on those two issues at least.

So what was your take on my personal views? Could it maybe be that you and I aren’t that far apart on this issue?

You said you were aligned with CPC’s position, which I disagree with. We’re very far apart on this issue.

I give up, AMT should be renamed “Never The Twain Shall Meet”, since it’s a no quarter given affair.

Reread my personal views separately from a political party’s stance, not an answer you extracted by moving the goalposts.

Or perhaps I should ask your views? Is it carte blanche? What about the thread topic of trans people in women’s sports?

Halifax2TheMax

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Tim Simmons said:

It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people. 



*which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished 

It’s always fun popping in here to see what I’m supposed to believe as a Conservative and contrast it with my actual beliefs.

There’s a difference between Canadian conservative ideology and views and US conservative ideology and views, in case you haven’t noticed.

The post to which I replied didn’t make any distinction, making Conservatives and bigots walk hand-in-hand.

Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.

However, the response was to my post of COOTWH’s actions, the climate of fear that US conservatives have fostered against the trans community in the US and a family from Maine deciding to leave the US. Context matters. They’re capable of defending their post so I’ll stop here.

So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.

20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.

Put simply I personally have no issues with trans people outside of the matter of sports. However even some family members are more in line with Tim’s blanket statement. So it’s a spectrum.

Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.

I believe this is the post you’re requesting I respond to.

while “you personally”, as a conservative have no issue with the trans community, what is the policy position of PP’s Conservative Party? Are they as open as you?

”Dont allow for ‘freedom of thought and belief’.” How is that manifested? Seems like a blanket statement and there’d have to be more than a one off to make it true, yes? From what I see and know, I don’t see liberals being silenced and if they are, they align/identify/switch to NDP or go Green. But what do I know? Whereas with conservatives, there may not be that space within the Conservative Party, more monolithic? and if you want an alternative, it’s fringe or Quebecois?

If my assumptions are correct, where in that context do you fall? And where do the conservative parties stand on trans rights?

As far as I know the Conservative Party of Canada supports people transitioning as adults but being more cautious when it comes to minors, a stance I agree with, but I pay attention to the facts others consider inconvenient, like the reported cases of people regretting transitioning (which implies they never should have been approved in the first place).

In short, I agree with the CPC’s stance on the issue, one that I consider balanced with an eye to safeguarding our youth. Kind of like the line “Some words when spoken/Can’t be taken back” some actions have lasting, even permanent effects that aren’t desirable.

As for how the other parties tolerate dissent from within their own ranks, I gave a clear, documented case from our Liberal Party.

Sounds like COOTWH’s repub party and its hypocrisy. Conservatives crow about individual rights and freedoms except the ones they don’t like. As for regrets, less than 1% of youth in Canada who transition have regrets. So deny 99% of youth because you have to “protect” less than 1%. Fuzzy math. Also, agree that government should be between the child, their parents or guardian and their health care provider. It’s not like kids can walk into a doctor’s office and demand and receive transition care.

Same for a woman’s right to choose. An individual right to choose but because conservatives disagree, screw your individual rights and freedoms. How do you square those?

Canada’s conservatives seem very aligned with COOTWHism and the current US repub party on those two issues at least.

So what was your take on my personal views? Could it maybe be that you and I aren’t that far apart on this issue?

You said you were aligned with CPC’s position, which I disagree with. We’re very far apart on this issue.

I give up, AMT should be renamed “Never The Twain Shall Meet”, since it’s a no quarter given affair.

Reread my personal views separately from a political party’s stance, not an answer you extracted by moving the goalposts.

Or perhaps I should ask your views? Is it carte blanche? What about the thread topic of trans people in women’s sports?

Why get pissy? You said you identified with the CPC’s position and took seriously the concerns of less than 1%. CPC’s position is to deny all youth trans care. I disagreed with you. If I’m misunderstanding your position, help me understand it. I didn’t move the goal posts. I either understood or misunderstood your position based on your post. Again, you said you identified with the CPC’s position. If you don’t, explain where you stand. No need for a hissy.

Regarding the thread topic, I’m undecided as I tend to think it’s such a small percentage and is used as a wedge to drive the narrative that any trans care shouldn’t be allowed, much like the abortion issue. But I can understand the concern.

If I remember correctly, there was a US male high school student in the 1980s who sued to play on the girls field hockey team because they didn’t offer a male field hockey team. He won and played. And society still exists.

DarthMaeglin

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Tim Simmons said:

It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people. 



*which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished 

It’s always fun popping in here to see what I’m supposed to believe as a Conservative and contrast it with my actual beliefs.

There’s a difference between Canadian conservative ideology and views and US conservative ideology and views, in case you haven’t noticed.

The post to which I replied didn’t make any distinction, making Conservatives and bigots walk hand-in-hand.

Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.

However, the response was to my post of COOTWH’s actions, the climate of fear that US conservatives have fostered against the trans community in the US and a family from Maine deciding to leave the US. Context matters. They’re capable of defending their post so I’ll stop here.

So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.

20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.

Put simply I personally have no issues with trans people outside of the matter of sports. However even some family members are more in line with Tim’s blanket statement. So it’s a spectrum.

Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.

I believe this is the post you’re requesting I respond to.

while “you personally”, as a conservative have no issue with the trans community, what is the policy position of PP’s Conservative Party? Are they as open as you?

”Dont allow for ‘freedom of thought and belief’.” How is that manifested? Seems like a blanket statement and there’d have to be more than a one off to make it true, yes? From what I see and know, I don’t see liberals being silenced and if they are, they align/identify/switch to NDP or go Green. But what do I know? Whereas with conservatives, there may not be that space within the Conservative Party, more monolithic? and if you want an alternative, it’s fringe or Quebecois?

If my assumptions are correct, where in that context do you fall? And where do the conservative parties stand on trans rights?

As far as I know the Conservative Party of Canada supports people transitioning as adults but being more cautious when it comes to minors, a stance I agree with, but I pay attention to the facts others consider inconvenient, like the reported cases of people regretting transitioning (which implies they never should have been approved in the first place).

In short, I agree with the CPC’s stance on the issue, one that I consider balanced with an eye to safeguarding our youth. Kind of like the line “Some words when spoken/Can’t be taken back” some actions have lasting, even permanent effects that aren’t desirable.

As for how the other parties tolerate dissent from within their own ranks, I gave a clear, documented case from our Liberal Party.

Sounds like COOTWH’s repub party and its hypocrisy. Conservatives crow about individual rights and freedoms except the ones they don’t like. As for regrets, less than 1% of youth in Canada who transition have regrets. So deny 99% of youth because you have to “protect” less than 1%. Fuzzy math. Also, agree that government should be between the child, their parents or guardian and their health care provider. It’s not like kids can walk into a doctor’s office and demand and receive transition care.

Same for a woman’s right to choose. An individual right to choose but because conservatives disagree, screw your individual rights and freedoms. How do you square those?

Canada’s conservatives seem very aligned with COOTWHism and the current US repub party on those two issues at least.

So what was your take on my personal views? Could it maybe be that you and I aren’t that far apart on this issue?

You said you were aligned with CPC’s position, which I disagree with. We’re very far apart on this issue.

I give up, AMT should be renamed “Never The Twain Shall Meet”, since it’s a no quarter given affair.

Reread my personal views separately from a political party’s stance, not an answer you extracted by moving the goalposts.

Or perhaps I should ask your views? Is it carte blanche? What about the thread topic of trans people in women’s sports?

Why get pissy? You said you identified with the CPC’s position and took seriously the concerns of less than 1%. CPC’s position is to deny all youth trans care. I disagreed with you. If I’m misunderstanding your position, help me understand it. I didn’t move the goal posts. I either understood or misunderstood your position based on your post. Again, you said you identified with the CPC’s position. If you don’t, explain where you stand. No need for a hissy.

Regarding the thread topic, I’m undecided as I tend to think it’s such a small percentage and is used as a wedge to drive the narrative that any trans care shouldn’t be allowed, much like the abortion issue. But I can understand the concern.

If I remember correctly, there was a US male high school student in the 1980s who sued to play on the girls field hockey team because they didn’t offer a male field hockey team. He won and played. And society still exists.

You’ve chosen to focus on one tiny aspect and ignore several other statements by me that maybe give some context to the matter, fine, that’s your method, including pigeonholing people.

So if I get pissy because overall you’re misrepresenting me and my views, then I suspect you accomplished your goal.

I wouldn’t deny youth treatment, I don’t know where you got that idea. I’m incredibly hesitant about irreversible changes to youths whose brains haven’t completely developed. Forgive my caution.

As I said, outside of sports I’ll hold pretty much every door open for trans people and I even admire them for embracing their authenticity.

Too much nuance I guess.

DarthMaeglin

“More cautious about treatment” doesn’t mean “denying treatment”. It shouldn’t be this difficult.