Keeping Men out of Women's Sports
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DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Tim Simmons said:It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people.
*which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished
Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.
So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.
20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.
Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.
while “you personally”, as a conservative have no issue with the trans community, what is the policy position of PP’s Conservative Party? Are they as open as you?
”Dont allow for ‘freedom of thought and belief’.” How is that manifested? Seems like a blanket statement and there’d have to be more than a one off to make it true, yes? From what I see and know, I don’t see liberals being silenced and if they are, they align/identify/switch to NDP or go Green. But what do I know? Whereas with conservatives, there may not be that space within the Conservative Party, more monolithic? and if you want an alternative, it’s fringe or Quebecois?
If my assumptions are correct, where in that context do you fall? And where do the conservative parties stand on trans rights?
In short, I agree with the CPC’s stance on the issue, one that I consider balanced with an eye to safeguarding our youth. Kind of like the line “Some words when spoken/Can’t be taken back” some actions have lasting, even permanent effects that aren’t desirable.
As for how the other parties tolerate dissent from within their own ranks, I gave a clear, documented case from our Liberal Party.
Same for a woman’s right to choose. An individual right to choose but because conservatives disagree, screw your individual rights and freedoms. How do you square those?
Canada’s conservatives seem very aligned with COOTWHism and the current US repub party on those two issues at least.
Reread my personal views separately from a political party’s stance, not an answer you extracted by moving the goalposts.
Or perhaps I should ask your views? Is it carte blanche? What about the thread topic of trans people in women’s sports?
Regarding the thread topic, I’m undecided as I tend to think it’s such a small percentage and is used as a wedge to drive the narrative that any trans care shouldn’t be allowed, much like the abortion issue. But I can understand the concern.
If I remember correctly, there was a US male high school student in the 1980s who sued to play on the girls field hockey team because they didn’t offer a male field hockey team. He won and played. And society still exists.
So if I get pissy because overall you’re misrepresenting me and my views, then I suspect you accomplished your goal.
I wouldn’t deny youth treatment, I don’t know where you got that idea. I’m incredibly hesitant about irreversible changes to youths whose brains haven’t completely developed. Forgive my caution.
As I said, outside of sports I’ll hold pretty much every door open for trans people and I even admire them for embracing their authenticity.
Too much nuance I guess.
I still think being overly protective of less than one percent is misguided. This we disagree on.
Maybe sports teams should be based on height, weight, strength and speed versus solely gender based? I don’t know.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Tim Simmons said:It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people.
*which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished
Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.
So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.
20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.
Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.
while “you personally”, as a conservative have no issue with the trans community, what is the policy position of PP’s Conservative Party? Are they as open as you?
”Dont allow for ‘freedom of thought and belief’.” How is that manifested? Seems like a blanket statement and there’d have to be more than a one off to make it true, yes? From what I see and know, I don’t see liberals being silenced and if they are, they align/identify/switch to NDP or go Green. But what do I know? Whereas with conservatives, there may not be that space within the Conservative Party, more monolithic? and if you want an alternative, it’s fringe or Quebecois?
If my assumptions are correct, where in that context do you fall? And where do the conservative parties stand on trans rights?
In short, I agree with the CPC’s stance on the issue, one that I consider balanced with an eye to safeguarding our youth. Kind of like the line “Some words when spoken/Can’t be taken back” some actions have lasting, even permanent effects that aren’t desirable.
As for how the other parties tolerate dissent from within their own ranks, I gave a clear, documented case from our Liberal Party.
Same for a woman’s right to choose. An individual right to choose but because conservatives disagree, screw your individual rights and freedoms. How do you square those?
Canada’s conservatives seem very aligned with COOTWHism and the current US repub party on those two issues at least.
Reread my personal views separately from a political party’s stance, not an answer you extracted by moving the goalposts.
Or perhaps I should ask your views? Is it carte blanche? What about the thread topic of trans people in women’s sports?
Regarding the thread topic, I’m undecided as I tend to think it’s such a small percentage and is used as a wedge to drive the narrative that any trans care shouldn’t be allowed, much like the abortion issue. But I can understand the concern.
If I remember correctly, there was a US male high school student in the 1980s who sued to play on the girls field hockey team because they didn’t offer a male field hockey team. He won and played. And society still exists.
So if I get pissy because overall you’re misrepresenting me and my views, then I suspect you accomplished your goal.
I wouldn’t deny youth treatment, I don’t know where you got that idea. I’m incredibly hesitant about irreversible changes to youths whose brains haven’t completely developed. Forgive my caution.
As I said, outside of sports I’ll hold pretty much every door open for trans people and I even admire them for embracing their authenticity.
Too much nuance I guess.
I still think being overly protective of less than one percent is misguided. This we disagree on.
Maybe sports teams should be based on height, weight, strength and speed versus solely gender based? I don’t know.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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Top of the picture shows my characterization of the CPCs stance to be more accurate than Halifax’s. Number 92.
I don’t like doing this but when blatant misrepresentations are being made.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Tim Simmons said:It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people.
*which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished
Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.
So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.
20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.
Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.
while “you personally”, as a conservative have no issue with the trans community, what is the policy position of PP’s Conservative Party? Are they as open as you?
”Dont allow for ‘freedom of thought and belief’.” How is that manifested? Seems like a blanket statement and there’d have to be more than a one off to make it true, yes? From what I see and know, I don’t see liberals being silenced and if they are, they align/identify/switch to NDP or go Green. But what do I know? Whereas with conservatives, there may not be that space within the Conservative Party, more monolithic? and if you want an alternative, it’s fringe or Quebecois?
If my assumptions are correct, where in that context do you fall? And where do the conservative parties stand on trans rights?
In short, I agree with the CPC’s stance on the issue, one that I consider balanced with an eye to safeguarding our youth. Kind of like the line “Some words when spoken/Can’t be taken back” some actions have lasting, even permanent effects that aren’t desirable.
As for how the other parties tolerate dissent from within their own ranks, I gave a clear, documented case from our Liberal Party.
Same for a woman’s right to choose. An individual right to choose but because conservatives disagree, screw your individual rights and freedoms. How do you square those?
Canada’s conservatives seem very aligned with COOTWHism and the current US repub party on those two issues at least.
Reread my personal views separately from a political party’s stance, not an answer you extracted by moving the goalposts.
Or perhaps I should ask your views? Is it carte blanche? What about the thread topic of trans people in women’s sports?
Regarding the thread topic, I’m undecided as I tend to think it’s such a small percentage and is used as a wedge to drive the narrative that any trans care shouldn’t be allowed, much like the abortion issue. But I can understand the concern.
If I remember correctly, there was a US male high school student in the 1980s who sued to play on the girls field hockey team because they didn’t offer a male field hockey team. He won and played. And society still exists.
So if I get pissy because overall you’re misrepresenting me and my views, then I suspect you accomplished your goal.
I wouldn’t deny youth treatment, I don’t know where you got that idea. I’m incredibly hesitant about irreversible changes to youths whose brains haven’t completely developed. Forgive my caution.
As I said, outside of sports I’ll hold pretty much every door open for trans people and I even admire them for embracing their authenticity.
Too much nuance I guess.
I still think being overly protective of less than one percent is misguided. This we disagree on.
Maybe sports teams should be based on height, weight, strength and speed versus solely gender based? I don’t know.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Tim Simmons said:It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people.
*which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished
Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.
So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.
20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.
Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.
while “you personally”, as a conservative have no issue with the trans community, what is the policy position of PP’s Conservative Party? Are they as open as you?
”Dont allow for ‘freedom of thought and belief’.” How is that manifested? Seems like a blanket statement and there’d have to be more than a one off to make it true, yes? From what I see and know, I don’t see liberals being silenced and if they are, they align/identify/switch to NDP or go Green. But what do I know? Whereas with conservatives, there may not be that space within the Conservative Party, more monolithic? and if you want an alternative, it’s fringe or Quebecois?
If my assumptions are correct, where in that context do you fall? And where do the conservative parties stand on trans rights?
In short, I agree with the CPC’s stance on the issue, one that I consider balanced with an eye to safeguarding our youth. Kind of like the line “Some words when spoken/Can’t be taken back” some actions have lasting, even permanent effects that aren’t desirable.
As for how the other parties tolerate dissent from within their own ranks, I gave a clear, documented case from our Liberal Party.
Same for a woman’s right to choose. An individual right to choose but because conservatives disagree, screw your individual rights and freedoms. How do you square those?
Canada’s conservatives seem very aligned with COOTWHism and the current US repub party on those two issues at least.
Reread my personal views separately from a political party’s stance, not an answer you extracted by moving the goalposts.
Or perhaps I should ask your views? Is it carte blanche? What about the thread topic of trans people in women’s sports?
Regarding the thread topic, I’m undecided as I tend to think it’s such a small percentage and is used as a wedge to drive the narrative that any trans care shouldn’t be allowed, much like the abortion issue. But I can understand the concern.
If I remember correctly, there was a US male high school student in the 1980s who sued to play on the girls field hockey team because they didn’t offer a male field hockey team. He won and played. And society still exists.
So if I get pissy because overall you’re misrepresenting me and my views, then I suspect you accomplished your goal.
I wouldn’t deny youth treatment, I don’t know where you got that idea. I’m incredibly hesitant about irreversible changes to youths whose brains haven’t completely developed. Forgive my caution.
As I said, outside of sports I’ll hold pretty much every door open for trans people and I even admire them for embracing their authenticity.
Too much nuance I guess.
I still think being overly protective of less than one percent is misguided. This we disagree on.
Maybe sports teams should be based on height, weight, strength and speed versus solely gender based? I don’t know.
There is zero mention of denying psychological or psychiatric treatment and nowhere do they deny the existence of gender dysphoria."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
DarthMaeglin said:Top of the picture shows my characterization of the CPCs stance to be more accurate than Halifax’s. Number 92.
I don’t like doing this but when blatant misrepresentations are being made.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Top of the picture shows my characterization of the CPCs stance to be more accurate than Halifax’s. Number 92.
I don’t like doing this but when blatant misrepresentations are being made."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Top of the picture shows my characterization of the CPCs stance to be more accurate than Halifax’s. Number 92.
I don’t like doing this but when blatant misrepresentations are being made.Conservatives approve policies to limit transgender health care for minors, end race-based hiring
Other debate focused on female spaces, the energy industry and Canada's passport
Conservative delegates voted Saturday to add some new social conservative policies to their policy playbook, including a proposal to limit access to transgender health care for minors and another to do away with vaccine mandates.
Despite warnings that these policies could be weaponized by their political opponents to hurt their standing among more moderate voters, a strong majority of the delegates on hand voted for a motion that stated children should be prohibited from gender-related "life-altering medicinal or surgical interventions," and for another that said Canadians should have "bodily autonomy" when it comes to vaccines and other health treatments.
About 69 per cent of the delegates agreed that young people should be barred from gender-affirming care, which sometimes includes hormone-related treatments that delay puberty or promote the development of masculine or feminine sex characteristics.
Michelle Badalich, an Edmonton delegate, said dysphoria is a "mental health disorder" and it should be addressed with treatment not "irreversible procedures."
"Please protect our kids," she said to thunderous applause.
It's not clear precisely which medical treatments would be targeted by the proposed ban.
The Canadian Pediatric Society (CPS) has said that "gender-affirming medical interventions may be an important component of comprehensive care" for some transgender or gender-diverse adolescents.
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is not bound to adopt any of the policies that were passed at this convention. Poilievre did not take questions from reporters after the votes.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-policy-convention-transgender-1.6961991
Happy to move this conversation to the Canadian politics thread.
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Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Top of the picture shows my characterization of the CPCs stance to be more accurate than Halifax’s. Number 92.
I don’t like doing this but when blatant misrepresentations are being made.Conservatives approve policies to limit transgender health care for minors, end race-based hiring
Other debate focused on female spaces, the energy industry and Canada's passport
Conservative delegates voted Saturday to add some new social conservative policies to their policy playbook, including a proposal to limit access to transgender health care for minors and another to do away with vaccine mandates.
Despite warnings that these policies could be weaponized by their political opponents to hurt their standing among more moderate voters, a strong majority of the delegates on hand voted for a motion that stated children should be prohibited from gender-related "life-altering medicinal or surgical interventions," and for another that said Canadians should have "bodily autonomy" when it comes to vaccines and other health treatments.
About 69 per cent of the delegates agreed that young people should be barred from gender-affirming care, which sometimes includes hormone-related treatments that delay puberty or promote the development of masculine or feminine sex characteristics.
Michelle Badalich, an Edmonton delegate, said dysphoria is a "mental health disorder" and it should be addressed with treatment not "irreversible procedures."
"Please protect our kids," she said to thunderous applause.
It's not clear precisely which medical treatments would be targeted by the proposed ban.
The Canadian Pediatric Society (CPS) has said that "gender-affirming medical interventions may be an important component of comprehensive care" for some transgender or gender-diverse adolescents.
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is not bound to adopt any of the policies that were passed at this convention. Poilievre did not take questions from reporters after the votes.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-policy-convention-transgender-1.6961991
Happy to move this conversation to the Canadian politics thread.
What’s wrong with letting youth explore any questions they have by living as their true gender without causing irreversible changes? As adults I think most of us can look back on our youth and acknowledge how clueless we really were, even about ourselves. There’s good reason there are stages to achieving adulthood, such as treating youth crime less harshly than adults. Maturity is important in this matter, I believe.
I realize I’ll probably get myself in hot water for this statement, but if children are deemed to have the right to change their gender then let’s also give them all the other adult responsibilities and accountabilities as well, such as criminally.
Edit: Clearly I also believe that as a child explores who they are supports need to be put in place, such as counselling to help guide them through the journey.
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Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Top of the picture shows my characterization of the CPCs stance to be more accurate than Halifax’s. Number 92.
I don’t like doing this but when blatant misrepresentations are being made.Conservatives approve policies to limit transgender health care for minors, end race-based hiring
Other debate focused on female spaces, the energy industry and Canada's passport
Conservative delegates voted Saturday to add some new social conservative policies to their policy playbook, including a proposal to limit access to transgender health care for minors and another to do away with vaccine mandates.
Despite warnings that these policies could be weaponized by their political opponents to hurt their standing among more moderate voters, a strong majority of the delegates on hand voted for a motion that stated children should be prohibited from gender-related "life-altering medicinal or surgical interventions," and for another that said Canadians should have "bodily autonomy" when it comes to vaccines and other health treatments.
About 69 per cent of the delegates agreed that young people should be barred from gender-affirming care, which sometimes includes hormone-related treatments that delay puberty or promote the development of masculine or feminine sex characteristics.
Michelle Badalich, an Edmonton delegate, said dysphoria is a "mental health disorder" and it should be addressed with treatment not "irreversible procedures."
"Please protect our kids," she said to thunderous applause.
It's not clear precisely which medical treatments would be targeted by the proposed ban.
The Canadian Pediatric Society (CPS) has said that "gender-affirming medical interventions may be an important component of comprehensive care" for some transgender or gender-diverse adolescents.
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is not bound to adopt any of the policies that were passed at this convention. Poilievre did not take questions from reporters after the votes.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-policy-convention-transgender-1.6961991
Happy to move this conversation to the Canadian politics thread.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Top of the picture shows my characterization of the CPCs stance to be more accurate than Halifax’s. Number 92.
I don’t like doing this but when blatant misrepresentations are being made.Conservatives approve policies to limit transgender health care for minors, end race-based hiring
Other debate focused on female spaces, the energy industry and Canada's passport
Conservative delegates voted Saturday to add some new social conservative policies to their policy playbook, including a proposal to limit access to transgender health care for minors and another to do away with vaccine mandates.
Despite warnings that these policies could be weaponized by their political opponents to hurt their standing among more moderate voters, a strong majority of the delegates on hand voted for a motion that stated children should be prohibited from gender-related "life-altering medicinal or surgical interventions," and for another that said Canadians should have "bodily autonomy" when it comes to vaccines and other health treatments.
About 69 per cent of the delegates agreed that young people should be barred from gender-affirming care, which sometimes includes hormone-related treatments that delay puberty or promote the development of masculine or feminine sex characteristics.
Michelle Badalich, an Edmonton delegate, said dysphoria is a "mental health disorder" and it should be addressed with treatment not "irreversible procedures."
"Please protect our kids," she said to thunderous applause.
It's not clear precisely which medical treatments would be targeted by the proposed ban.
The Canadian Pediatric Society (CPS) has said that "gender-affirming medical interventions may be an important component of comprehensive care" for some transgender or gender-diverse adolescents.
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is not bound to adopt any of the policies that were passed at this convention. Poilievre did not take questions from reporters after the votes.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-policy-convention-transgender-1.6961991
Happy to move this conversation to the Canadian politics thread.
What’s wrong with letting youth explore any questions they have by living as their true gender without causing irreversible changes? As adults I think most of us can look back on our youth and acknowledge how clueless we really were, even about ourselves. There’s good reason there are stages to achieving adulthood, such as treating youth crime less harshly than adults. Maturity is important in this matter, I believe.
I realize I’ll probably get myself in hot water for this statement, but if children are deemed to have the right to change their gender then let’s also give them all the other adult responsibilities and accountabilities as well, such as criminally.
Edit: Clearly I also believe that as a child explores who they are supports need to be put in place, such as counselling to help guide them through the journey.
Are not some youths charged as adults for crimes in Canada? They certainly are in the US.
To the bold, I believe that’s what happens, it doesn’t happen without consultation, involvement and safeguards. It’s not Willy nilly, let’s just go get a sex change.
Again, it’s a process. You don’t have kids walking into doctors offices and coming out an opposite gender. And where we differ is I’m for the rights of 99+% with a full range of options while you want to limit their options because of less than 1%. Agree to disagree.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Top of the picture shows my characterization of the CPCs stance to be more accurate than Halifax’s. Number 92.
I don’t like doing this but when blatant misrepresentations are being made.Conservatives approve policies to limit transgender health care for minors, end race-based hiring
Other debate focused on female spaces, the energy industry and Canada's passport
Conservative delegates voted Saturday to add some new social conservative policies to their policy playbook, including a proposal to limit access to transgender health care for minors and another to do away with vaccine mandates.
Despite warnings that these policies could be weaponized by their political opponents to hurt their standing among more moderate voters, a strong majority of the delegates on hand voted for a motion that stated children should be prohibited from gender-related "life-altering medicinal or surgical interventions," and for another that said Canadians should have "bodily autonomy" when it comes to vaccines and other health treatments.
About 69 per cent of the delegates agreed that young people should be barred from gender-affirming care, which sometimes includes hormone-related treatments that delay puberty or promote the development of masculine or feminine sex characteristics.
Michelle Badalich, an Edmonton delegate, said dysphoria is a "mental health disorder" and it should be addressed with treatment not "irreversible procedures."
"Please protect our kids," she said to thunderous applause.
It's not clear precisely which medical treatments would be targeted by the proposed ban.
The Canadian Pediatric Society (CPS) has said that "gender-affirming medical interventions may be an important component of comprehensive care" for some transgender or gender-diverse adolescents.
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is not bound to adopt any of the policies that were passed at this convention. Poilievre did not take questions from reporters after the votes.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-policy-convention-transgender-1.6961991
Happy to move this conversation to the Canadian politics thread.
What’s wrong with letting youth explore any questions they have by living as their true gender without causing irreversible changes? As adults I think most of us can look back on our youth and acknowledge how clueless we really were, even about ourselves. There’s good reason there are stages to achieving adulthood, such as treating youth crime less harshly than adults. Maturity is important in this matter, I believe.
I realize I’ll probably get myself in hot water for this statement, but if children are deemed to have the right to change their gender then let’s also give them all the other adult responsibilities and accountabilities as well, such as criminally.
Edit: Clearly I also believe that as a child explores who they are supports need to be put in place, such as counselling to help guide them through the journey.
Are not some youths charged as adults for crimes in Canada? They certainly are in the US.
To the bold, I believe that’s what happens, it doesn’t happen without consultation, involvement and safeguards. It’s not Willy nilly, let’s just go get a sex change.
Again, it’s a process. You don’t have kids walking into doctors offices and coming out an opposite gender. And where we differ is I’m for the rights of 99+% with a full range of options while you want to limit their options because of less than 1%. Agree to disagree.
Where we have to agree to disagree is on the timing of chemical and surgical interventions. My stance on this is actually what informs my view on trans people in sports, both in youth and later on."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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How to foster acceptance within unaccepting households, as has been pointed out often clashing with religious beliefs, is a more important issue to me.
Some of the language used in this thread could be easily considered transphobic sadly. I think my first post in this thread was calling out someone for dead-sexing a transitioning youth. If anything I apologize for not calling out that language more."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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