Guess we would have rumors by now if they really are playing European summer shows in 2025.
New album tour and only 6 shows in Europe/UK. Meh.
still early for european rumours.
if they dont start appearing in the beginning/mid november than i dont thnk we will get an euro tour next year
Definitely not too early for Euro rumours. If they were doing EU/UK shows next summer we would have had rumours by now. Most acts who are in Europe and the UK next summer have their dates already out - Springsteen, Green Day, Coldplay, Oasis etc.
You've just said it's not to early for rumours yet if they were doing shows in europe we would of heard rumours by now 🤦
I agree with everyone saying November is normally the time rumours start
I probably should read what I post before doing so 🤦🏼
Bro!!! Hou drop this 24 hours ago, have been on here as recent as an hour ago and have yet to elaborate???? Let's f'n @Go Animal
+1
Sorry for the radio silence, but was reaching out to a few peeps to see if they heard anything similar.
Spoke to someone at Ohana who works very closely with Ed, Jeff & Stone in particular:
DM has legs. CBS Sunday Morning drove up PJ site traffic & overall band interest. All the singles have gotten decent airplay, but there's a lot of buzz around WFS. If it does well, we might see more dates. BUT, in the mean time...
a short run in the first half of the year, and a equally short "stint in one place" later in the year.
He didn't confirm SA, but he DID confirm North America. He also didn't elaborate if the residence was Sphere, or Seattle. But he did say "just a handful".
Lastly, the band has an open invite to play Ohana again (every year), but it's up in the air. Everyone was very visibly having a great time (Dancing Stone!)
If not, it'll certainly be Ed (The Last Of Us S2 trailer w/Future Days also put band/Ed interest through the roof over the weekend🤘).
I hope there's more, but I trust at least this much from the source (because when I was walking away, I saw the name he was texting with on his phone. It said "Ed.")
I think the band should use Ohana as their sorta annual PJ20 type festival. It’s the perfect festival location and weather, bring in another headliner for Saturday and PJ does Fri/Sun. Easy way to get guests on stage and they can keep whipping out rare tunes like they just did to make even the hardcore fans happy.
It’s an amazing festival, I’m all for them playing it as often as possible. Would love them to get Isbell out there some year.
I had him at the top of the list in my survey 👍
Having seen both for the first time this summer, Sturgill puts on a WAY better show than Isbell. It would be incredible if he played at Ohana and would secure a return visit for me. (Hope it is OK to Ohana wishcast in the PJ wishcasting…err rumors…thread).
I’ve seen sturgill 8 times since 2014 and this tour is not like the other ones! I’m interested to see if he will remain the 3 hour force that he is right now.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
Again my view is any Pearl Jam shows are good!….but I do hope it’s not a bunch of festivals. A couple of them are okay, but hopefully not like 5 festivals and that’s it.
Agree
Shorter the leg, more festivals we’ll get. Economics of 2024-25. We’d all love a proper tour of the southeast, but if the choice is no shows or 5 festivals, sign me up for 2hr greatest hit renditions. If they comeback to Tx or the gulf coast, I’ll sign up to watch them sing commercial jingles
Although I’d be happy for the younger fans that can still swing standing at festivals for a full day, for the majority of fans around their age, doing festivals only would be the same as never touring again. It’s just not realistic to expect a fan Ed’s or Jeff’s age to spend a full day standing at a festival.
They could achieve almost the same thing with playing four show mini residencies. For any given year, a couple or a few four show residencies in Seattle, LA, NY or Bos or London, playing 8 or 12 arena shows a year max (in places that can sell out 20,000 capacity shows) would be a much better PJ experience and more accessible for fans as well.
Again my view is any Pearl Jam shows are good!….but I do hope it’s not a bunch of festivals. A couple of them are okay, but hopefully not like 5 festivals and that’s it.
Agree
Shorter the leg, more festivals we’ll get. Economics of 2024-25. We’d all love a proper tour of the southeast, but if the choice is no shows or 5 festivals, sign me up for 2hr greatest hit renditions. If they comeback to Tx or the gulf coast, I’ll sign up to watch them sing commercial jingles
Although I’d be happy for the younger fans that can still swing standing at festivals for a full day, for the majority of fans around their age, doing festivals only would be the same as never touring again. It’s just not realistic to expect a fan Ed’s or Jeff’s age to spend a full day standing at a festival.
They could achieve almost the same thing with playing four show mini residencies. For any given year, a couple or a few four show residencies in Seattle, LA, NY or Bos or London, playing 8 or 12 arena shows a year max (in places that can sell out 20,000 capacity shows) would be a much better PJ experience and more accessible for fans as well.
They play festivals because they make a ton of money for a single short set. Why would they do more shows and play much longer? I am close to their age and I love when they play festivals. I don't stand all day. Fans have been hoping for residencies, 10C only shows etc. for years and they just do not happen. Everyone would love if they played multiple nights at arenas close to their home.
I did Ohana. Friday night utilized the stands at the back and could barely see. Sunday sat on the grass until 5:30pm then stood until 10 and it was a lot. Not gonna lie, would have preferred a non-festival setting. And Ohana is among the easiest festivals to deal with.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
2025 is the year that we travel to see Pearl Jam. They deserve a break from touring after the amazing 2024 tour. PJ35 is coming. They can choose their favorite places to perform, and the fans will go if it's a PJ35 show. Can't wait to celebrate 35 years of this awesome band.
I did Ohana. Friday night utilized the stands at the back and could barely see. Sunday sat on the grass until 5:30pm then stood until 10 and it was a lot. Not gonna lie, would have preferred a non-festival setting. And Ohana is among the easiest festivals to deal with.
Of course arenas are better. Do not go to festivals and expect to be close or to have a great view. Know ahead of time that it will not compare to good seats at an arena. I go to hear a variety of music and hang with friends. Maybe take a nap on a blanket after an overpriced snack and a beer. And yes festivals require much more physical work.
Again my view is any Pearl Jam shows are good!….but I do hope it’s not a bunch of festivals. A couple of them are okay, but hopefully not like 5 festivals and that’s it.
Agree
Shorter the leg, more festivals we’ll get. Economics of 2024-25. We’d all love a proper tour of the southeast, but if the choice is no shows or 5 festivals, sign me up for 2hr greatest hit renditions. If they comeback to Tx or the gulf coast, I’ll sign up to watch them sing commercial jingles
Although I’d be happy for the younger fans that can still swing standing at festivals for a full day, for the majority of fans around their age, doing festivals only would be the same as never touring again. It’s just not realistic to expect a fan Ed’s or Jeff’s age to spend a full day standing at a festival.
They could achieve almost the same thing with playing four show mini residencies. For any given year, a couple or a few four show residencies in Seattle, LA, NY or Bos or London, playing 8 or 12 arena shows a year max (in places that can sell out 20,000 capacity shows) would be a much better PJ experience and more accessible for fans as well.
They play festivals because they make a ton of money for a single short set. Why would they do more shows and play much longer? I am close to their age and I love when they play festivals. I don't stand all day. Fans have been hoping for residencies, 10C only shows etc. for years and they just do not happen. Everyone would love if they played multiple nights at arenas close to their home.
I think their economics are a bit different nowadays.. With limited shows for any particular year and a 4 night run they can pull in $20 million gross in one city with ane average price $250 including premiums, and have better merch stats also
Festivals work better internationally, and my bet is they make more in the US big cities with packed arenas and some dynamic pricing
But perhaps that's not the reason to pick arenas over festivals. Maybe it's acknowledgement the clock is ticking, we are running out of time to all be together,,and a house full of PJ fans is a million times better for them and for us than sharing the venue with Beyonce fans or any other festival co-headliner.
That is St. John's, Newfoundland. The picture is taken from Signal Hill, looking back at the harbour and city. My brother got married right next to where you see those canons... It always super windy up there.. it's about 500 ft above sea level and basically on the peak of cliff. If you were to turn 180 degrees and take a photo from where that person is standing, it is nothing but the Atlantic Ocean until you can see the curve of the earth.
Houston, Texas... Believe it or not, there are 7 million people here... must be a couple of fans who'd love to see you play.
Again my view is any Pearl Jam shows are good!….but I do hope it’s not a bunch of festivals. A couple of them are okay, but hopefully not like 5 festivals and that’s it.
Agree
Shorter the leg, more festivals we’ll get. Economics of 2024-25. We’d all love a proper tour of the southeast, but if the choice is no shows or 5 festivals, sign me up for 2hr greatest hit renditions. If they comeback to Tx or the gulf coast, I’ll sign up to watch them sing commercial jingles
Although I’d be happy for the younger fans that can still swing standing at festivals for a full day, for the majority of fans around their age, doing festivals only would be the same as never touring again. It’s just not realistic to expect a fan Ed’s or Jeff’s age to spend a full day standing at a festival.
They could achieve almost the same thing with playing four show mini residencies. For any given year, a couple or a few four show residencies in Seattle, LA, NY or Bos or London, playing 8 or 12 arena shows a year max (in places that can sell out 20,000 capacity shows) would be a much better PJ experience and more accessible for fans as well.
They play festivals because they make a ton of money for a single short set. Why would they do more shows and play much longer? I am close to their age and I love when they play festivals. I don't stand all day. Fans have been hoping for residencies, 10C only shows etc. for years and they just do not happen. Everyone would love if they played multiple nights at arenas close to their home.
I think their economics are a bit different nowadays.. With limited shows for any particular year and a 4 night run they can pull in $20 million gross in one city with ane average price $250 including premiums, and have better merch stats also
Festivals work better internationally, and my bet is they make more in the US big cities with packed arenas and some dynamic pricing
But perhaps that's not the reason to pick arenas over festivals. Maybe it's acknowledgement the clock is ticking, we are running out of time to all be together,,and a house full of PJ fans is a million times better for them and for us than sharing the venue with Beyonce fans or any other festival co-headliner.
Not sure that math works as they do not do four night runs. Arena runs mean they need to be onstage for much longer, which is not the current trend. I doubt they make 10 mil for an MSG or a Philly 2 night run. But maybe they do since they sell a TON of merch. They do not share revenue with Beyonce fans. They get a fat fee plus merch for festivals amd ballparks. I think you speak from a fan perspective rather than a band perspective. Nothing wrong with that. A house full of PJ fans is better for us, but maybe they like playing to 60,000 people when they are getting 2m plus merch for a two hour set (30 mins more for ballparks, and minus the Ed rant of course) It is all speculation, but it seems to me that is the trend.
That is St. John's, Newfoundland. The picture is taken from Signal Hill, looking back at the harbour and city. My brother got married right next to where you see those canons... It always super windy up there.. it's about 500 ft above sea level and basically on the peak of cliff. If you were to turn 180 degrees and take a photo from where that person is standing, it is nothing but the Atlantic Ocean until you can see the curve of the earth.
My geology field camp in college was in Newfoundland. We spent six weeks going around the island and mapping out areas. Such an amazing place. Ive got a picture from that hill!
2025 is the year that we travel to see Pearl Jam. They deserve a break from touring after the amazing 2024 tour. PJ35 is coming. They can choose their favorite places to perform, and the fans will go if it's a PJ35 show. Can't wait to celebrate 35 years of this awesome band.
Dude a very large number of us have been forced to travel for the last decade or more; what are you taking about?
2025 is the year that we travel to see Pearl Jam. They deserve a break from touring after the amazing 2024 tour. PJ35 is coming. They can choose their favorite places to perform, and the fans will go if it's a PJ35 show. Can't wait to celebrate 35 years of this awesome band.
Dude a very large number of us have been forced to travel for the last decade or more; what are you taking about?
I mean that there likely won't be a standard tour in 2025. So a larger number of us will travel, and hopefully there are PJ35 shows at exciting locations.
Adding on to PJ35 excitement, I think it would be great for Alaska to get P35 show in 2025. I saw somewhere in this thread that North America might get 8-10 shows, but this is a rumor thread so nothing here is certain.
If that is the case, then I'm guessing that they will return to the standard tour in 2026, and hopefully cover some of the cities that they missed in 2024. I'm not sure if that will include your city @kmcmanus, but hopefully it's close enough for you.
PJ35 is an @MikeDigs thing, a wish, a hope, and it's ok to dream Not sure I have heard it anywhere else. Alaska would be way too expensive for most people to attend and it is a tertiary market. I could see them doing a destination weekend like one big holiday at some point. Maybe Hawaii ($$$$) or Montana. I think the anniversaries mean more to us fans than the band. But anyway, if they are doing dates in the spring, I would expect an announcement after the down under leg is finished.
PJ35 is an @MikeDigs thing, a wish, a hope, and it's ok to dream Not sure I have heard it anywhere else. Alaska would be way too expensive for most people to attend and it is a tertiary market. I could see them doing a destination weekend like one big holiday at some point. Maybe Hawaii ($$$$) or Montana. I think the anniversaries mean more to us fans than the band. But anyway, if they are doing dates in the spring, I would expect an announcement after the down under leg is finished.
Oh what a beautiful dream it is Montana is also a great choice. I'm excited to go to the next Missoula show.
The dream manifestation works sometimes. For Ohana, I posted the lyrics to Gremmie in my Hummus thread, and Gremmie got played that night. That was amazing.
Again my view is any Pearl Jam shows are good!….but I do hope it’s not a bunch of festivals. A couple of them are okay, but hopefully not like 5 festivals and that’s it.
Agree
Shorter the leg, more festivals we’ll get. Economics of 2024-25. We’d all love a proper tour of the southeast, but if the choice is no shows or 5 festivals, sign me up for 2hr greatest hit renditions. If they comeback to Tx or the gulf coast, I’ll sign up to watch them sing commercial jingles
Although I’d be happy for the younger fans that can still swing standing at festivals for a full day, for the majority of fans around their age, doing festivals only would be the same as never touring again. It’s just not realistic to expect a fan Ed’s or Jeff’s age to spend a full day standing at a festival.
They could achieve almost the same thing with playing four show mini residencies. For any given year, a couple or a few four show residencies in Seattle, LA, NY or Bos or London, playing 8 or 12 arena shows a year max (in places that can sell out 20,000 capacity shows) would be a much better PJ experience and more accessible for fans as well.
They play festivals because they make a ton of money for a single short set. Why would they do more shows and play much longer? I am close to their age and I love when they play festivals. I don't stand all day. Fans have been hoping for residencies, 10C only shows etc. for years and they just do not happen. Everyone would love if they played multiple nights at arenas close to their home.
I think their economics are a bit different nowadays.. With limited shows for any particular year and a 4 night run they can pull in $20 million gross in one city with ane average price $250 including premiums, and have better merch stats also
Festivals work better internationally, and my bet is they make more in the US big cities with packed arenas and some dynamic pricing
But perhaps that's not the reason to pick arenas over festivals. Maybe it's acknowledgement the clock is ticking, we are running out of time to all be together,,and a house full of PJ fans is a million times better for them and for us than sharing the venue with Beyonce fans or any other festival co-headliner.
Not sure that math works as they do not do four night runs. Arena runs mean they need to be onstage for much longer, which is not the current trend. I doubt they make 10 mil for an MSG or a Philly 2 night run. But maybe they do since they sell a TON of merch. They do not share revenue with Beyonce fans. They get a fat fee plus merch for festivals amd ballparks. I think you speak from a fan perspective rather than a band perspective. Nothing wrong with that. A house full of PJ fans is better for us, but maybe they like playing to 60,000 people when they are getting 2m plus merch for a two hour set (30 mins more for ballparks, and minus the Ed rant of course) It is all speculation, but it seems to me that is the trend.
I don't get where your logic that this band is suddenly going to turn into a festival band. I can't remember the last time they toured and a high percentage of the shows were festival shows. Even in Europe they play more of their own shows than festivals
Again my view is any Pearl Jam shows are good!….but I do hope it’s not a bunch of festivals. A couple of them are okay, but hopefully not like 5 festivals and that’s it.
Agree
Shorter the leg, more festivals we’ll get. Economics of 2024-25. We’d all love a proper tour of the southeast, but if the choice is no shows or 5 festivals, sign me up for 2hr greatest hit renditions. If they comeback to Tx or the gulf coast, I’ll sign up to watch them sing commercial jingles
Although I’d be happy for the younger fans that can still swing standing at festivals for a full day, for the majority of fans around their age, doing festivals only would be the same as never touring again. It’s just not realistic to expect a fan Ed’s or Jeff’s age to spend a full day standing at a festival.
They could achieve almost the same thing with playing four show mini residencies. For any given year, a couple or a few four show residencies in Seattle, LA, NY or Bos or London, playing 8 or 12 arena shows a year max (in places that can sell out 20,000 capacity shows) would be a much better PJ experience and more accessible for fans as well.
They play festivals because they make a ton of money for a single short set. Why would they do more shows and play much longer? I am close to their age and I love when they play festivals. I don't stand all day. Fans have been hoping for residencies, 10C only shows etc. for years and they just do not happen. Everyone would love if they played multiple nights at arenas close to their home.
I think their economics are a bit different nowadays.. With limited shows for any particular year and a 4 night run they can pull in $20 million gross in one city with ane average price $250 including premiums, and have better merch stats also
Festivals work better internationally, and my bet is they make more in the US big cities with packed arenas and some dynamic pricing
But perhaps that's not the reason to pick arenas over festivals. Maybe it's acknowledgement the clock is ticking, we are running out of time to all be together,,and a house full of PJ fans is a million times better for them and for us than sharing the venue with Beyonce fans or any other festival co-headliner.
Not sure that math works as they do not do four night runs. Arena runs mean they need to be onstage for much longer, which is not the current trend. I doubt they make 10 mil for an MSG or a Philly 2 night run. But maybe they do since they sell a TON of merch. They do not share revenue with Beyonce fans. They get a fat fee plus merch for festivals amd ballparks. I think you speak from a fan perspective rather than a band perspective. Nothing wrong with that. A house full of PJ fans is better for us, but maybe they like playing to 60,000 people when they are getting 2m plus merch for a two hour set (30 mins more for ballparks, and minus the Ed rant of course) It is all speculation, but it seems to me that is the trend.
I don't get where your logic that this band is suddenly going to turn into a festival band. I can't remember the last time they toured and a high percentage of the shows were festival shows. Even in Europe they play more of their own shows than festivals
Again my view is any Pearl Jam shows are good!….but I do hope it’s not a bunch of festivals. A couple of them are okay, but hopefully not like 5 festivals and that’s it.
Agree
Shorter the leg, more festivals we’ll get. Economics of 2024-25. We’d all love a proper tour of the southeast, but if the choice is no shows or 5 festivals, sign me up for 2hr greatest hit renditions. If they comeback to Tx or the gulf coast, I’ll sign up to watch them sing commercial jingles
Although I’d be happy for the younger fans that can still swing standing at festivals for a full day, for the majority of fans around their age, doing festivals only would be the same as never touring again. It’s just not realistic to expect a fan Ed’s or Jeff’s age to spend a full day standing at a festival.
They could achieve almost the same thing with playing four show mini residencies. For any given year, a couple or a few four show residencies in Seattle, LA, NY or Bos or London, playing 8 or 12 arena shows a year max (in places that can sell out 20,000 capacity shows) would be a much better PJ experience and more accessible for fans as well.
They play festivals because they make a ton of money for a single short set. Why would they do more shows and play much longer? I am close to their age and I love when they play festivals. I don't stand all day. Fans have been hoping for residencies, 10C only shows etc. for years and they just do not happen. Everyone would love if they played multiple nights at arenas close to their home.
I think their economics are a bit different nowadays.. With limited shows for any particular year and a 4 night run they can pull in $20 million gross in one city with ane average price $250 including premiums, and have better merch stats also
Festivals work better internationally, and my bet is they make more in the US big cities with packed arenas and some dynamic pricing
But perhaps that's not the reason to pick arenas over festivals. Maybe it's acknowledgement the clock is ticking, we are running out of time to all be together,,and a house full of PJ fans is a million times better for them and for us than sharing the venue with Beyonce fans or any other festival co-headliner.
Not sure that math works as they do not do four night runs. Arena runs mean they need to be onstage for much longer, which is not the current trend. I doubt they make 10 mil for an MSG or a Philly 2 night run. But maybe they do since they sell a TON of merch. They do not share revenue with Beyonce fans. They get a fat fee plus merch for festivals amd ballparks. I think you speak from a fan perspective rather than a band perspective. Nothing wrong with that. A house full of PJ fans is better for us, but maybe they like playing to 60,000 people when they are getting 2m plus merch for a two hour set (30 mins more for ballparks, and minus the Ed rant of course) It is all speculation, but it seems to me that is the trend.
I don't get where your logic that this band is suddenly going to turn into a festival band. I can't remember the last time they toured and a high percentage of the shows were festival shows. Even in Europe they play more of their own shows than festivals
I believe the tours are based upon the the one or two festivals or ballparks they chose to play. I never said they play more festivals than regular shows.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
1998: Mansfield, MA (9/15) 2000: Virginia Beach, VA (8/3), Saratoga Springs, NY (8/27), Mansfield, MA (8/29 and 8/30) 2003: Albany, NY (4/29), Mansfield, MA (7/2 and 7/3), New York, NY (7/8 and 7/9) 2006: Hartford, CT (5/23), Boston, MA (5/24 and 5/25) 2009: Chicago, IL (8/23 and 8/24) 2010: Boston, MA (5/17) 2011: East Troy, WI (9/3 and 9/4) 2013: Worcester, MA (10/15 and 10/16), Hartford, CT (10/25) 2016: Boston, MA (8/5 and 8/7) 2018: Boston, MA (9/2 and 9/4) 2022: Camden, NJ (9/14) 2024: Boston, MA (9/15 and 9/17)
Could we get a Hurricane benefit show in the meantime? This one headed to Florida looks nasty
This is awesome
2010: Cleveland 2012: Atlanta 2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II 2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver 2015: New York City 2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II 2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2 2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver 2023: St. Paul II 2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
I know. I was trying to imply the more recent posts weren’t much of anything.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
PJ35 is an @MikeDigs thing, a wish, a hope, and it's ok to dream Not sure I have heard it anywhere else. Alaska would be way too expensive for most people to attend and it is a tertiary market. I could see them doing a destination weekend like one big holiday at some point. Maybe Hawaii ($$$$) or Montana. I think the anniversaries mean more to us fans than the band. But anyway, if they are doing dates in the spring, I would expect an announcement after the down under leg is finished.
Oh what a beautiful dream it is Montana is also a great choice. I'm excited to go to the next Missoula show.
The dream manifestation works sometimes. For Ohana, I posted the lyrics to Gremmie in my Hummus thread, and Gremmie got played that night. That was amazing.
Really don't like the PJ35 idea. PJ20 was cool (best weekend ever) but I hope it remains a one-time thing. PJ35, then PJ40... too nostalgic.
"I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits pearljamonline.it
The reason I think PJ35 would be great is because the band sounds better than they ever have right now. Ed has been wearing the 34 jersey and the seemed like a hint to me. If they did PJ35 then I doubt they would do another PJ## after that.
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They could achieve almost the same thing with playing four show mini residencies. For any given year, a couple or a few four show residencies in Seattle, LA, NY or Bos or London, playing 8 or 12 arena shows a year max (in places that can sell out 20,000 capacity shows) would be a much better PJ experience and more accessible for fans as well.
They play festivals because they make a ton of money for a single short set. Why would they do more shows and play much longer? I am close to their age and I love when they play festivals. I don't stand all day. Fans have been hoping for residencies, 10C only shows etc. for years and they just do not happen. Everyone would love if they played multiple nights at arenas close to their home.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Of course arenas are better. Do not go to festivals and expect to be close or to have a great view. Know ahead of time that it will not compare to good seats at an arena. I go to hear a variety of music and hang with friends. Maybe take a nap on a blanket after an overpriced snack and a beer. And yes festivals require much more physical work.
I think their economics are a bit different nowadays.. With limited shows for any particular year and a 4 night run they can pull in $20 million gross in one city with ane average price $250 including premiums, and have better merch stats also
Festivals work better internationally, and my bet is they make more in the US big cities with packed arenas and some dynamic pricing
But perhaps that's not the reason to pick arenas over festivals. Maybe it's acknowledgement the clock is ticking, we are running out of time to all be together,,and a house full of PJ fans is a million times better for them and for us than sharing the venue with Beyonce fans or any other festival co-headliner.
Not sure that math works as they do not do four night runs. Arena runs mean they need to be onstage for much longer, which is not the current trend. I doubt they make 10 mil for an MSG or a Philly 2 night run. But maybe they do since they sell a TON of merch. They do not share revenue with Beyonce fans. They get a fat fee plus merch for festivals amd ballparks. I think you speak from a fan perspective rather than a band perspective. Nothing wrong with that. A house full of PJ fans is better for us, but maybe they like playing to 60,000 people when they are getting 2m plus merch for a two hour set (30 mins more for ballparks, and minus the Ed rant of course)
Adding on to PJ35 excitement, I think it would be great for Alaska to get P35 show in 2025. I saw somewhere in this thread that North America might get 8-10 shows, but this is a rumor thread so nothing here is certain.
If that is the case, then I'm guessing that they will return to the standard tour in 2026, and hopefully cover some of the cities that they missed in 2024. I'm not sure if that will include your city @kmcmanus, but hopefully it's close enough for you.
The dream manifestation works sometimes. For Ohana, I posted the lyrics to Gremmie in my Hummus thread, and Gremmie got played that night. That was amazing.
I can't remember the last time they toured and a high percentage of the shows were festival shows.
Even in Europe they play more of their own shows than festivals
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
2000: Virginia Beach, VA (8/3), Saratoga Springs, NY (8/27), Mansfield, MA (8/29 and 8/30)
2003: Albany, NY (4/29), Mansfield, MA (7/2 and 7/3), New York, NY (7/8 and 7/9)
2006: Hartford, CT (5/23), Boston, MA (5/24 and 5/25)
2009: Chicago, IL (8/23 and 8/24)
2010: Boston, MA (5/17)
2011: East Troy, WI (9/3 and 9/4)
2013: Worcester, MA (10/15 and 10/16), Hartford, CT (10/25)
2016: Boston, MA (8/5 and 8/7)
2018: Boston, MA (9/2 and 9/4)
2022: Camden, NJ (9/14)
2024: Boston, MA (9/15 and 9/17)
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
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