Waiting For Stevie

pjhawks

craigkrupski12 said:

WFS sound bite just played during Packers Cardinals game!

Just played during Eagles game.  Cool to hear 

BF25394

Get_Right said:

BF25394 said:

Foriginal Sin said:

BF25394 said:

Get_Right said:

Their audience has been growing because of the live shows. They play ballparks and have plenty of traction. They have a sirius channel. Dark Matter is all over apple. They are doing just fine.

Who is arguing that they're not doing fine? That's not the discussion here. It's about whether this single is gaining a new audience for them (or bringing back the old audience that is unaware they're still an active band). Evidence does not suggest that their audience is growing. They sold fewer copies of this record than the last record. They do not stream well and, with rare exceptions, they play arenas, not stadiums. The first two singles got a lot more attention from radio than we've seen with recent albums, but rock radio is a niche format in 2024, and Triple-A is even more niche. They have a Sirius channel because they are a well-known act among a demographic that Sirius targets. Bruce has a Sirius channel, too, but no one can reasonably argue that Bruce's audience is growing.

Can’t compare record sales. This was the First PJ “record” I haven’t purchased, who purchases albums anymore? I can listen on Amazon Music whenever I want

You can compare record sales relative to other artists. There was a time when Pearl Jam was one of the most popular artists in the U.S., and their record sales reflected it. This is a band that sold nearly a million copies of Vs. in a week in 1993. When they did that, no one had ever sold more in a week. The next year, they sold nearly 900,000 copies of Vitalogy in a week. It was the second-highest total up until that date.

In 2024, Pearl Jam is no longer one of the most popular artists in the U.S., and their record sales reflect it. Dark Matter sold 52,000 copies in its first week and was credited with a total of 59,000 units, which includes streaming-equivalent units.* Every single number-one album in 2024 had a higher unit total than Dark Matter. In other words, Pearl Jam went from the all-time record holder in 1993 to a number that wouldn't have been number one in any week of the year. Your argument might make sense if Pearl Jam sold 60,000 records and no one else was selling many more than that, but Dark Matter is not going to rank among the top 100 best-selling albums of 2024.

A valuable thing for everyone to remember is that they shouldn't extrapolate about what other people are doing based on what they themselves are doing. Just because you stopped buying albums, it does not follow that no one buys albums anymore. There are still millions of people buying albums. They're just not buying Pearl Jam albums.

*The paltry total of 7,000 first-week streaming-equivalent units indicates that you might be streaming Pearl Jam's new album on Amazon Music, but not many other people are doing so.

This entire paragraph is meaningless. What about the top selling ROCK records of the year? The top 75 probably do not have any new music from a rock band but I am guessing on that one. You cannot compare Pearl Jam to Taylor Swift, Jelly Roll, or Shaboozey. Pre-digital metrics cannot be used to compare modern day listening habits. It was 30 years ago!! Are there more 10c members now? Are they playing larger venues? Are tickets harder to get? Modern day metrics of sales or even streaming mean nothing these days. People are still file sharing. I suppose the one valid point you made is free that radio is still the most popular listening medium in the country. But probably not for most pearl jam fans. We want to hear the entire record without ads.
EDIT and the thread is about a song. Which was played at MSG2 and the band sounded better than ever. I would bet more fans wanted to be there than in 1993.

You're being willfully oblivious at this point. You think that millions of people are secretly file-sharing Pearl Jam even as Pearl Jam's legitimate streaming numbers are minimal? Why doesn't this apply to all the other artists whose streaming numbers crush Pearl Jam's? Pearl Jam is not getting many streams. The reality is that there is a loyal core of people in 2024 who want to hear new material from Pearl Jam, but that audience is nowhere near as large as it was in the 1990s. Many of the people who want to hear new Pearl Jam in 2024 bought the album. Others stream it. (Even in 1993, people didn't listen to the radio to hear full albums.) The reality is that the majority of the Pearl Jam fan base isn't listening to the new material at all.

You are out of your mind if you think the band is more popular in 2024 than it was in 1993. There is no evidence to support that. None. You can assert all you want that more people want to see Pearl Jam perform in 2024 than in 1993 but it doesn't make it true.

None of this is about how good the band is. I'm a card-carrying 30-plus-year member of the fan club. I've seen them 82 times, including 12 times this year. I'm on record as to how great I think the new album is. They've actually never released an album that has disappointed me. Obviously, I think the band is great and has been great for 30 years. That is all beside the point, which had to do with an *objective* assessment of the song's appeal beyond a segment of the core fan base, and what it signified that they decided to release an edited version of the song, and what that would mean for its appeal. The rest of it was in response to your tangential comments that keep missing the point while asserting stuff you're making up.

Get_Right

BF25394 said:

Get_Right said:

BF25394 said:

Foriginal Sin said:

BF25394 said:

Get_Right said:

Their audience has been growing because of the live shows. They play ballparks and have plenty of traction. They have a sirius channel. Dark Matter is all over apple. They are doing just fine.

Who is arguing that they're not doing fine? That's not the discussion here. It's about whether this single is gaining a new audience for them (or bringing back the old audience that is unaware they're still an active band). Evidence does not suggest that their audience is growing. They sold fewer copies of this record than the last record. They do not stream well and, with rare exceptions, they play arenas, not stadiums. The first two singles got a lot more attention from radio than we've seen with recent albums, but rock radio is a niche format in 2024, and Triple-A is even more niche. They have a Sirius channel because they are a well-known act among a demographic that Sirius targets. Bruce has a Sirius channel, too, but no one can reasonably argue that Bruce's audience is growing.

Can’t compare record sales. This was the First PJ “record” I haven’t purchased, who purchases albums anymore? I can listen on Amazon Music whenever I want

You can compare record sales relative to other artists. There was a time when Pearl Jam was one of the most popular artists in the U.S., and their record sales reflected it. This is a band that sold nearly a million copies of Vs. in a week in 1993. When they did that, no one had ever sold more in a week. The next year, they sold nearly 900,000 copies of Vitalogy in a week. It was the second-highest total up until that date.

In 2024, Pearl Jam is no longer one of the most popular artists in the U.S., and their record sales reflect it. Dark Matter sold 52,000 copies in its first week and was credited with a total of 59,000 units, which includes streaming-equivalent units.* Every single number-one album in 2024 had a higher unit total than Dark Matter. In other words, Pearl Jam went from the all-time record holder in 1993 to a number that wouldn't have been number one in any week of the year. Your argument might make sense if Pearl Jam sold 60,000 records and no one else was selling many more than that, but Dark Matter is not going to rank among the top 100 best-selling albums of 2024.

A valuable thing for everyone to remember is that they shouldn't extrapolate about what other people are doing based on what they themselves are doing. Just because you stopped buying albums, it does not follow that no one buys albums anymore. There are still millions of people buying albums. They're just not buying Pearl Jam albums.

*The paltry total of 7,000 first-week streaming-equivalent units indicates that you might be streaming Pearl Jam's new album on Amazon Music, but not many other people are doing so.

This entire paragraph is meaningless. What about the top selling ROCK records of the year? The top 75 probably do not have any new music from a rock band but I am guessing on that one. You cannot compare Pearl Jam to Taylor Swift, Jelly Roll, or Shaboozey. Pre-digital metrics cannot be used to compare modern day listening habits. It was 30 years ago!! Are there more 10c members now? Are they playing larger venues? Are tickets harder to get? Modern day metrics of sales or even streaming mean nothing these days. People are still file sharing. I suppose the one valid point you made is free that radio is still the most popular listening medium in the country. But probably not for most pearl jam fans. We want to hear the entire record without ads.
EDIT and the thread is about a song. Which was played at MSG2 and the band sounded better than ever. I would bet more fans wanted to be there than in 1993.

You're being willfully oblivious at this point. You think that millions of people are secretly file-sharing Pearl Jam even as Pearl Jam's legitimate streaming numbers are minimal? Why doesn't this apply to all the other artists whose streaming numbers crush Pearl Jam's? Pearl Jam is not getting many streams. The reality is that there is a loyal core of people in 2024 who want to hear new material from Pearl Jam, but that audience is nowhere near as large as it was in the 1990s. Many of the people who want to hear new Pearl Jam in 2024 bought the album. Others stream it. (Even in 1993, people didn't listen to the radio to hear full albums.) The reality is that the majority of the Pearl Jam fan base isn't listening to the new material at all.

You are out of your mind if you think the band is more popular in 2024 than it was in 1993. There is no evidence to support that. None. You can assert all you want that more people want to see Pearl Jam perform in 2024 than in 1993 but it doesn't make it true.

None of this is about how good the band is. I'm a card-carrying 30-plus-year member of the fan club. I've seen them 82 times, including 12 times this year. I'm on record as to how great I think the new album is. They've actually never released an album that has disappointed me. Obviously, I think the band is great and has been great for 30 years. That is all beside the point, which had to do with an *objective* assessment of the song's appeal beyond a segment of the core fan base, and what it signified that they decided to release an edited version of the song, and what that would mean for its appeal. The rest of it was in response to your tangential comments that keep missing the point while asserting stuff you're making up.

You missed my point trying to drive home your obvious point. No kidding the band was more popular in the 90s captain obvious.  I never said they weren't. Stop comparing 90s PJ to the digital age. Apples and oranges. I am far from oblivious or making stuff up but enough of your long winded answers that lack comprehension of my statements and focus on the point you want to make. You win. AD sponsored radio is king. They sold more records in the 90s and were more popular because they played 200s of shows each year. Waiting for Stevie, in a vacuum, will maybe bring in 100 new fans. You win with your comparisons to non-rock acts and 90s metrics. Better discussed over a beer than here.

demetrios

Still haven't heard it on the local radio stations out here.  

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“Waiting for Stevie” (Live in Seattle)

An all-new video of “Waiting for Stevie” is out now. Captured at the band’s May 30 hometown show, watch as music merges with Dr. Frankenstein’s Laboratory in this transcendental performance.

PLAY VIDEO

demetrios

https://rockcellarmagazine.com/pearl-jam-waiting-for-stevie-live-video-dark-matter-tour-2024/

demetrios

https://auxiomusic.com/song/waiting-for-stevie/

demetrios

Still haven't heard this incredible song on the local radio stations.  

BF25394

Get_Right said:

You missed my point trying to drive home your obvious point. No kidding the band was more popular in the 90s captain obvious.  I never said they weren't. Stop comparing 90s PJ to the digital age. Apples and oranges. I am far from oblivious or making stuff up but enough of your long winded answers that lack comprehension of my statements and focus on the point you want to make. You win. AD sponsored radio is king. They sold more records in the 90s and were more popular because they played 200s of shows each year. Waiting for Stevie, in a vacuum, will maybe bring in 100 new fans. You win with your comparisons to non-rock acts and 90s metrics. Better discussed over a beer than here.

1) You said that the band's audience is growing, and that more people wanted to see them in 2024 than in the 1990s.

2) I am not comparing apples and oranges. I'm comparing '90s apples to '90s apples, and '20s oranges to '20s oranges. In the early '90s, Pearl Jam was one of the top-selling artists regardless of genre. In the 2020s, Pearl Jam is not. They're not even one of the top 50 rock artists of 2024 in terms of overall consumption.

3) I did not say that "radio is king." I said, in response to people claiming that "no one listens to radio anymore," that the radio audience is larger than the streaming audience. This section of the thread was about the radio edit of the song.

What *is* your point, and what does it have to do with what we were talking about when you chimed in?

BF25394

demetrios said:

Still haven't heard this incredible song on the local radio stations.  

"Wreckage" hit number one at multiple formats and, still, the only time I have heard it on the radio was in Seattle within 15 minutes of leaving the airport in my rental car after coming to town to see the May shows. Last week, I just missed it by about 15 minutes on KCSN in L.A.

T-Bone 82

WMMR in Philly is playing Waiting for Stevie multiple times per day if you go to their "On Air" list https://wmmr.com/stream/WMMRFM

Having said that, I've never heard it on there since I barely listen to terrestrial radio anymore...

I see that WFS is #13 on "Active Rock" this week per Mediabase:  https://www2.mediabase.com/mbapp/Account/Login?ReturnUrl=/mbapp/&hc=339c174d-dc68-4aa1-bb22-5e4ffa4bf6fa

Up 4 spots from last week. 

demetrios

T-Bone 82 said:

WMMR in Philly is playing Waiting for Stevie multiple times per day if you go to their "On Air" list https://wmmr.com/stream/WMMRFM

Having said that, I've never heard it on there since I barely listen to terrestrial radio anymore...

I see that WFS is #13 on "Active Rock" this week per Mediabase:  https://www2.mediabase.com/mbapp/Account/Login?ReturnUrl=/mbapp/&hc=339c174d-dc68-4aa1-bb22-5e4ffa4bf6fa

Up 4 spots from last week. 

Philly rocks! Cool they are playing it many times a day. 

demetrios

BF25394 said:

demetrios said:

Still haven't heard this incredible song on the local radio stations.  

"Wreckage" hit number one at multiple formats and, still, the only time I have heard it on the radio was in Seattle within 15 minutes of leaving the airport in my rental car after coming to town to see the May shows. Last week, I just missed it by about 15 minutes on KCSN in L.A.

Yeah I've heard Wreckage a few times this week. Great to hear new PJ tunes on the radio. But still no Waiting For Stevie.

mcgruff10

I can't even remember the last time I listened to FM radio; they've played wfs plenty of times on sirius channel 22!

demetrios

mcgruff10 said:

I can't even remember the last time I listened to FM radio; they've played wfs plenty of times on sirius channel 22!

We hear FM radio on the site all the time @ work. Hopefully I get to hear it played on any local "rock" radio station here.

demetrios

Waiting for Stevie - it's a modern anthemic classic

https://www.reddit.com/r/pearljam/comments/1gqvapr/waiting_for_stevie_its_a_modern_anthemic_classic/

I always liked this song, but didn't pay it as much attention as others as I was wrapped up in the whole album and prepping for the upcoming concerts etc, but after listening to them play it live in Auckland and re-listening to it multiple times since, I firmly believe it's up there with any of their biggest hits.

I'm happy to be challenged on that, as everyone has their own opinions and not everyone likes the big, bombastic sound and repetetive anthem-like chorus, but to me it's a new "Alive" or "Daughter".

It makes my spine tingle. It fills me with joy to listen to. It's the band at the peak of their powers again, in my humble opinion.

Happy to hear fellow Jammers' thoughts on this.

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spankyMP

demetrios said:

Waiting for Stevie - it's a modern anthemic classic

https://www.reddit.com/r/pearljam/comments/1gqvapr/waiting_for_stevie_its_a_modern_anthemic_classic/

I always liked this song, but didn't pay it as much attention as others as I was wrapped up in the whole album and prepping for the upcoming concerts etc, but after listening to them play it live in Auckland and re-listening to it multiple times since, I firmly believe it's up there with any of their biggest hits.

I'm happy to be challenged on that, as everyone has their own opinions and not everyone likes the big, bombastic sound and repetetive anthem-like chorus, but to me it's a new "Alive" or "Daughter".

It makes my spine tingle. It fills me with joy to listen to. It's the band at the peak of their powers again, in my humble opinion.

Happy to hear fellow Jammers' thoughts on this.

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Nice! We need Stone to start writing anthems again too.

Dr. Stip Zoidberg

This is a top 10 catalog song for me. It's pushing top 5.

demetrios

Pearl Jam - Waiting For Stevie LIVE in Melbourne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBQd9DXBhPY

MikeDigs

Dr. Stip Zoidberg said:

This is a top 10 catalog song for me. It's pushing top 5.

It really is a top tier song in the catalog.  I was lucky to see this song live three times this year.  Absolutely LOVE it.

BF25394

MikeDigs said:

Dr. Stip Zoidberg said:

This is a top 10 catalog song for me. It's pushing top 5.

It really is a top tier song in the catalog.  I was lucky to see this song live three times this year.  Absolutely LOVE it.

Mileage varies. For me, it's a bottom-tier song on Dark Matter.