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edited April 17 in The Porch
Just back from theater (so awesome). Some heavy relationship stuff on here…
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  • Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 4,598
    Definitely a bit of a theme among a lot of the songs.....
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    Funny you bring that up because my buddy asked the same thing when we left. Heavy relationship themes.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,473
    Man I just posted about this in the Dark Matter In Theaters thread. This was definitely a topic of discussion amongst our group.
  • vitovito Posts: 2,029
    Said the same thing🤔
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  • joseph33joseph33 Posts: 1,247
    This record smells of Ed and Jill divorcing at some point.
  • innova77innova77 Posts: 1
    My wife and I got the same vibe. Definitely some heavy relationship Struggle. Sounds like Ed will do anything to make it work.  People around us didn't seem to pick up on it.  But it was present on Almont every song.
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,503
    Don't assume that all of the lyrics are autobiographical. Eddie has written plenty of third-person songs over the years.
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  • pjrusspjruss Posts: 506
    Hmmm, I took away from this not the divorce angle, but the “does he think he’s not got much more time on this planet” vibe. 

    Lots of “the end” lyrics. Kingdom Come. 

    And of course, a song to his daughters telling them how special they are. 

    So, definitely thematic, but who knows if there’s anything to the lyrics along those lines, or if it’s just Ed storytelling as he’s known to do. 
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 13,877
    I felt a neg relationship vibe too
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  • lolobugglolobugg Posts: 8,192
    Def some heavy vibes on this album. Setting Sun almost sounds like Parting Ways 2.

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  • pdalowskypdalowsky Posts: 15,074
    perhaps important to not over think it and jump to conclusions. 

    I know social media can be as fake as life can get but they always look incredibly happy together.
  • spankyMPspankyMP Posts: 1,854
    My daughter calls all of my music Divorced dad core 🤗
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  • shetellsherselfshetellsherself Posts: 8,821
    I wondered the same 
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  • JM73055JM73055 Posts: 127
    If these were all personal about Eddie, I don't think they would have published the lyrics to 10 of 11 songs as seen in theaters last night?
  • BrainofBGABrainofBGA Posts: 4,338
    Wow, didn’t pick up on any of this at all. 

    My take was plenty of planet, life, world leader, and I’m sure general relationship stuff. I’m not sure whether too much is completely autobiographical. May some is!? But I didn’t pick up the consistent vibe at all. But that’s just me.  
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,310
    Aren't these songs 1-2 yrs old? And haven't they been seen together happily in public much more recently than that? Having not heard the record, not buying it (the theory...I bought the record).
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  • More CoffeeMore Coffee Posts: 602
    Oh wow.  My divorce hearing is May 20th.  This is perfect timing!  Hooray!!!
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  • RS65573RS65573 Posts: 2,483
    JM73055 said:
    If these were all personal about Eddie, I don't think they would have published the lyrics to 10 of 11 songs as seen in theaters last night?
    Agreed.
  • JPPJ84JPPJ84 Posts: 3,464
    Any idea why the lyrics were missing for one song?
  • JM73055JM73055 Posts: 127
    JPPJ84 said:
    Any idea why the lyrics were missing for one song?

    lol, that's the one about the divorce?
  • pdalowskypdalowsky Posts: 15,074
    More Coffee said:
    Oh wow.  My divorce hearing is May 20th.  This is perfect timing!  Hooray!!!
    She got the house.  I got my 10Club number.     
    Oh shit, sorry to hear this Lew. I hope you are doing ok and this is going to be a positive thing in your life. 


  • We All BelieveWe All Believe Posts: 590
    It's a recurring theme in a few of the songs, so I'm going to assume it's autobiographical. Can't see him being that gripped by someone else's relationship issues.

    FWIW, as someone else pointed out, it seems like all is well on social media, even though social media is The Matrix/The Void/Where The People That Thanos Snapped Disappeared To For Five Years. Maybe a prolonged rough patch post-COVID.
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  • left the porchleft the porch Posts: 504
    edited April 17
    We All Believe said:
    It's a recurring theme in a few of the songs, so I'm going to assume it's autobiographical. Can't see him being that gripped by someone else's relationship issues.

    FWIW, as someone else pointed out, it seems like all is well on social media, even though social media is The Matrix/The Void/Where The People That Thanos Snapped Disappeared To For Five Years. Maybe a prolonged rough patch post-COVID.
    Agreed, it was the theme of most of the album lyrically. Maybe they were going through a rough patch and have sorted it out, or they're just keeping it very private. Scared of Fear and Setting Sun especially felt like letters to an ex or soon to be ex. Something Special seemed like a father desperately wanting to tell his children that despite the marriage being over they still love the kids very much.

    I was with my brother and some friends last night and we all got the same vibe. Again, not saying they're autobiographical, but it wouldn't be the first time Ed has wrote about his personal life. Parting Ways, all the way to Future Days, Ed has never shied away from making it obvious what he's thinking and going through at the time he's writing. These songs were written over two years ago, so maybe it was just a bad time in their relationship. This definitely puts a new spin on the title Dark Matter. I thought it was going to be mostly about space and politics and instead it seems like it's about a man coming to terms with his marriage ending. 
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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,720
    Just try to remember that “Oceans” was about a surf board before trying to speculate on someone’s relationship.  
  • mpedonempedone Posts: 1,947
    It could be about close friendships and even family relationships that have turned sour over the years.
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  • Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 4,598
    More Coffee said:
    Oh wow.  My divorce hearing is May 20th.  This is perfect timing!  Hooray!!!
    She got the house.  I got my 10Club number.     
    You win. 

    Wait....how low is your number?
    Turn this anger into
    Nuclear fission
  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 471
    Yes, this album is about Eddie's imminent divorce. Just like Parting Ways was about the bands imminent break up and retirement.
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  • Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 4,598
    cblock4life said:
    Just try to remember that “Oceans” was about a surf board before trying to speculate on someone’s relationship.  
    Right, but the lyrics for these songs were much more specific. 

    I am 100% sure it's not an autobiographical album.  

    I just sense a bit of a theme going on.  A lot of the lyrics seemed related.  Not full-on "Concept Album", but some connections. 
    Turn this anger into
    Nuclear fission
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,473
    If it was one song I wouldn't think anything of it. It was several songs and I think that's why a bunch of people independently came to "jeeze I hope everything is ok "
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Posts: 8,934
    seanwon said:
    Yes, this album is about Eddie's imminent divorce. Just like Parting Ways was about the bands imminent break up and retirement.
    I always took Parting Ways as a nod to Ed’s previous marriage.
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