***Official Complainers Thread***

MikeDigs

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Everbody can’t get a crowd up and rocking like Taylor Swift. It is what it is. 

And just like that, the thread swerves back to Taylor lol.

BF25394

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Rockin' is so, so played out. It's cool they brought out Watt & DSD for it last night, but I'm happy it's be deemphasized on this tour to some extent. Imagine In Hiding or I Am Mine in that spot instead.

It's generally not a song I'm especially excited to hear, but last night's version was enervating. It was a party on stage and in the pit.

Gern Blansten

CantKeepmedown said:

BF25394 said:

CantKeepmedown said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Reading about all the bored crowds is a bummer.

Especially when the worlds most famous arena is waiting for them, but they refuse to play enough shows for their most passionate fans. The band can be a real bummer

I don't know what people are talking about. I've been at all six shows, and the crowds have been anything but bored. I'm also a native New Yorker (and Knicks fan) who has seen them eight times at MSG and doesn't understand why people have convinced themselves that it's something automatically magical. It's actually a crowd with a disproportionate number of rich people and celebrities who are there to be seen.

It’s more about how brutal it is getting tickets at the garden and the rest of the east, while reading indifferent comments here and  available tickets multiply like bunnies everywhere outside of the northeast 

One of the reasons those tickets are hard to get is that a lot of fans have sold themselves on the idea that shows in the northeastern cities are special, which creates extra demand by people who want to travel to them, when the reality is that special shows happen all over the place. Two of the best PJ shows I've ever seen were in Glendale, Arizona, of all places. The No Code show was in Moline, Illinois. There have been great MSG shows and ordinary ones. The worst show I ever saw was at Fenway. So, you never know.

2018 night 2?

2016 Night 2. It wasn't about the performance. It was about very bad behavior by people in my row that made it very difficult to enjoy the performance. I honestly don't even remember what was/wasn't played.

Oh wow.  That's in my top 5 (maybe top 3) out of 48 shows.  Just goes to show you it's a lot about your environment as opposed to the actual show sometimes.  

It was a bad show for me because I couldn't get a beer without waiting 10 minutes

Gern Blansten

BF25394 said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Rockin' is so, so played out. It's cool they brought out Watt & DSD for it last night, but I'm happy it's be deemphasized on this tour to some extent. Imagine In Hiding or I Am Mine in that spot instead.

It's generally not a song I'm especially excited to hear, but last night's version was enervating. It was a party on stage and in the pit.

I'm done with it too...it's just easy to play and easy to sing and the crowd (except for a few of us) really like it

BF25394

Johnny Abruzzo said:

BF25394 said:

CantKeepmedown said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Reading about all the bored crowds is a bummer.

Especially when the worlds most famous arena is waiting for them, but they refuse to play enough shows for their most passionate fans. The band can be a real bummer

I don't know what people are talking about. I've been at all six shows, and the crowds have been anything but bored. I'm also a native New Yorker (and Knicks fan) who has seen them eight times at MSG and doesn't understand why people have convinced themselves that it's something automatically magical. It's actually a crowd with a disproportionate number of rich people and celebrities who are there to be seen.

It’s more about how brutal it is getting tickets at the garden and the rest of the east, while reading indifferent comments here and  available tickets multiply like bunnies everywhere outside of the northeast 

One of the reasons those tickets are hard to get is that a lot of fans have sold themselves on the idea that shows in the northeastern cities are special, which creates extra demand by people who want to travel to them, when the reality is that special shows happen all over the place. Two of the best PJ shows I've ever seen were in Glendale, Arizona, of all places. The No Code show was in Moline, Illinois. There have been great MSG shows and ordinary ones. The worst show I ever saw was at Fenway. So, you never know.

2018 night 2?

2016 Night 2. It wasn't about the performance. It was about very bad behavior by people in my row that made it very difficult to enjoy the performance. I honestly don't even remember what was/wasn't played.

I was there. Really good set but a crappy section for me of disinterested casual fans. Not every city can be Philly (or Vegas - that place rocked).

My worst PJ concert experience was JazzFest. I enjoyed the rest of JazzFest and New Orleans, but not so much the Pearl Jam concert in that massive area there.

My problem that night wasn't that fans were disinterested near me. I don't really care about other fans being disinterested (as long as that doesn't lead them to chat audibly over the songs or something like that). No, these people were being actively obnoxious in a way that made it very hard to concentrate and kept taking my head out of the show. Some people in my row had allowed four of their friends to crash into the row, and one of them was standing in front of me-- like in my actual space. (Remember, there were seats for those shows, not standing-room GA.) When I told him he needed to move, he said he would stand wherever he wanted and there was nothing I could do about it. I told him that, if you're going to stay here, you're going to stand in front of your friends, not me. He ignored me. Eventually, I had to physically move him, which involved a bit of a tussle. This was all happening while the show was going on, and then even once I had relocated him, he was still just a few feet away and even more obnoxious. In hindsight, I should have gone to security and tried to get them removed, but it seemed at the time like that would be more disruptive and you can never be sure whether security will do anything.

Anyway, highly specific circumstances to be sure. And it was my birthday to boot. Night 1 was great, though.

Gern Blansten

BF25394 said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

BF25394 said:

CantKeepmedown said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Reading about all the bored crowds is a bummer.

Especially when the worlds most famous arena is waiting for them, but they refuse to play enough shows for their most passionate fans. The band can be a real bummer

I don't know what people are talking about. I've been at all six shows, and the crowds have been anything but bored. I'm also a native New Yorker (and Knicks fan) who has seen them eight times at MSG and doesn't understand why people have convinced themselves that it's something automatically magical. It's actually a crowd with a disproportionate number of rich people and celebrities who are there to be seen.

It’s more about how brutal it is getting tickets at the garden and the rest of the east, while reading indifferent comments here and  available tickets multiply like bunnies everywhere outside of the northeast 

One of the reasons those tickets are hard to get is that a lot of fans have sold themselves on the idea that shows in the northeastern cities are special, which creates extra demand by people who want to travel to them, when the reality is that special shows happen all over the place. Two of the best PJ shows I've ever seen were in Glendale, Arizona, of all places. The No Code show was in Moline, Illinois. There have been great MSG shows and ordinary ones. The worst show I ever saw was at Fenway. So, you never know.

2018 night 2?

2016 Night 2. It wasn't about the performance. It was about very bad behavior by people in my row that made it very difficult to enjoy the performance. I honestly don't even remember what was/wasn't played.

I was there. Really good set but a crappy section for me of disinterested casual fans. Not every city can be Philly (or Vegas - that place rocked).

My worst PJ concert experience was JazzFest. I enjoyed the rest of JazzFest and New Orleans, but not so much the Pearl Jam concert in that massive area there.

My problem that night wasn't that fans were disinterested near me. I don't really care about other fans being disinterested (as long as that doesn't lead them to chat audibly over the songs or something like that). No, these people were being actively obnoxious in a way that made it very hard to concentrate and kept taking my head out of the show. Some people in my row had allowed four of their friends to crash into the row, and one of them was standing in front of me-- like in my actual space. (Remember, there were seats for those shows, not standing-room GA.) When I told him he needed to move, he said he would stand wherever he wanted and there was nothing I could do about it. I told him that, if you're going to stay here, you're going to stand in front of your friends, not me. He ignored me. Eventually, I had to physically move him, which involved a bit of a tussle. This was all happening while the show was going on, and then even once I had relocated him, he was still just a few feet away and even more obnoxious. In hindsight, I should have gone to security and tried to get them removed, but it seemed at the time like that would be more disruptive and you can never be sure whether security will do anything.

Anyway, highly specific circumstances to be sure. And it was my birthday to boot. Night 1 was great, though.

I hate that shit...we saw the RCHP in Chicago several years ago and had front row floor seats in a section about half way back on the field. Some douchebag and his two girlfriends decided to just park right in front of us like they had seats. I got security on them a few times since they were pretty close. There was kind of a walkway in front of us between the sections that security kept clearing people out of so they just tried to blend in with us.

MikeDigs

Johnny Abruzzo said:

BF25394 said:

CantKeepmedown said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Reading about all the bored crowds is a bummer.

Especially when the worlds most famous arena is waiting for them, but they refuse to play enough shows for their most passionate fans. The band can be a real bummer

I don't know what people are talking about. I've been at all six shows, and the crowds have been anything but bored. I'm also a native New Yorker (and Knicks fan) who has seen them eight times at MSG and doesn't understand why people have convinced themselves that it's something automatically magical. It's actually a crowd with a disproportionate number of rich people and celebrities who are there to be seen.

It’s more about how brutal it is getting tickets at the garden and the rest of the east, while reading indifferent comments here and  available tickets multiply like bunnies everywhere outside of the northeast 

One of the reasons those tickets are hard to get is that a lot of fans have sold themselves on the idea that shows in the northeastern cities are special, which creates extra demand by people who want to travel to them, when the reality is that special shows happen all over the place. Two of the best PJ shows I've ever seen were in Glendale, Arizona, of all places. The No Code show was in Moline, Illinois. There have been great MSG shows and ordinary ones. The worst show I ever saw was at Fenway. So, you never know.

2018 night 2?

2016 Night 2. It wasn't about the performance. It was about very bad behavior by people in my row that made it very difficult to enjoy the performance. I honestly don't even remember what was/wasn't played.

I was there. Really good set but a crappy section for me of disinterested casual fans. Not every city can be Philly (or Vegas - that place rocked).

My worst PJ concert experience was JazzFest. I enjoyed the rest of JazzFest and New Orleans, but not so much the Pearl Jam concert in that massive area there.

This x100.  I grew up in the Philly area and got used to attending shows there.  I thought it was the norm for the crowds to be energetic and excited, and the artists always fed off of our energy in the best ways possible.  I first learned that other cities weren't like when I went to Cancun for our Senior Week party, and many US cities were there.  The DJ was doing roll call to get the crowd to make noise for your city.  LA, Miami, NY, Philly, etc...  I remember us from Philly were so happy and energetic when they called on us, eventually the DJ said "Is Philly the only city that came here?"  I thought that maybe the people from the other cities on that trip were shy, or maybe in less numbers.

Fast forward to today, and it does seem like a regional thing, where people just have a lower energy in general.  I saw Pearl Jam in Philly and it fucking rocked.  It was great.  Fans were great.  Band felt our energy and gave it back to us.  I was really happy with the LA N1 crowd, that energy reminded me of Philly energy.  Then LA N2 a much calmer crowd.  A disappointment for me because I miss have the arena energy at peak levels because the band feels that.  I will never get being calm at an event with one of your favorite bands performing.  Some of the floor people next to me looked miserable.  

SSS81

Here's my "official complaint." I was supposed to be at LA1 and 2. Flight booked, tickets in hand, hotel reserved. Gawd damn adulting had other plans and I had to cancel all of it. Thanks for reading. 

MikeDigs

Both of the LA shows were fantastic, but we only got 10 out of 11 Dark Matter tracks.  I think that the 2 show cities should get all 11 Dark Matter tracks spread across both nights.  Somethings Got to Give here.  I really wanted (needed) to see Got to Give performed live.  That song is good for my soul.  My next chance to see Got to Give will be Ohana fest.  Hopefully we get the legendary I Got Id / Got To Give combo.

rummy

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I imagine he gets a great crowd response from RITFW and IWBD. While you are standing in your aching 58 year old body, when you really could be just sitting, muttering behind clenched teeth that they should play Just a Girl to "really bring the house down".

Oddly enough, my “+1” loved hearing those two songs!

mpedone

Gern Blansten said:

BF25394 said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Rockin' is so, so played out. It's cool they brought out Watt & DSD for it last night, but I'm happy it's be deemphasized on this tour to some extent. Imagine In Hiding or I Am Mine in that spot instead.

It's generally not a song I'm especially excited to hear, but last night's version was enervating. It was a party on stage and in the pit.

I'm done with it too...it's just easy to play and easy to sing and the crowd (except for a few of us) really like it

It's like the All-Star Game of covers for them. They can bring guests up and play (*ing Theo Epstein joined them back in '06), Ed probably knows the lyrics better than many PJ songs, and they can just let loose for a few minutes. I'm with you on the song itself, but I do enjoy the performance, if that makes sense. That said, if they don't play it at any of the three shows I have tickets to, I won't be all that upset, either.

Lerxst1992

mpedone said:

Gern Blansten said:

BF25394 said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Rockin' is so, so played out. It's cool they brought out Watt & DSD for it last night, but I'm happy it's be deemphasized on this tour to some extent. Imagine In Hiding or I Am Mine in that spot instead.

It's generally not a song I'm especially excited to hear, but last night's version was enervating. It was a party on stage and in the pit.

I'm done with it too...it's just easy to play and easy to sing and the crowd (except for a few of us) really like it

It's like the All-Star Game of covers for them. They can bring guests up and play (*ing Theo Epstein joined them back in '06), Ed probably knows the lyrics better than many PJ songs, and they can just let loose for a few minutes. I'm with you on the song itself, but I do enjoy the performance, if that makes sense. That said, if they don't play it at any of the three shows I have tickets to, I won't be all that upset, either.

If I want to go to an awards show, I’d pay money for that. The hope when winning a five percent lottery to see PJ is getting a PJ show in the crucial moments.

Ed sings Ed songs great, but IMO doesn’t sing Neil well (and his Petty is troubling at best). They both have VERY distinctive voices and Ed’s covers do not work.


considering they have perhaps the best all time closer in rock in YLB, and even indifference is great, every time I heard Rockin it’s time for me to hit the exit, and I am a long time NY fan. Setting Sun is a fine tune, but it’s like sitting Lebron when they skip yellow or indifference.


 

Tim Simmons

Troubling? Like its problematic?

Spiritual_Chaos

Lerxst1992 said:

mpedone said:

Gern Blansten said:

BF25394 said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Rockin' is so, so played out. It's cool they brought out Watt & DSD for it last night, but I'm happy it's be deemphasized on this tour to some extent. Imagine In Hiding or I Am Mine in that spot instead.

It's generally not a song I'm especially excited to hear, but last night's version was enervating. It was a party on stage and in the pit.

I'm done with it too...it's just easy to play and easy to sing and the crowd (except for a few of us) really like it

It's like the All-Star Game of covers for them. They can bring guests up and play (*ing Theo Epstein joined them back in '06), Ed probably knows the lyrics better than many PJ songs, and they can just let loose for a few minutes. I'm with you on the song itself, but I do enjoy the performance, if that makes sense. That said, if they don't play it at any of the three shows I have tickets to, I won't be all that upset, either.

If I want to go to an awards show, I’d pay money for that. The hope when winning a five percent lottery to see PJ is getting a PJ show in the crucial moments.

Ed sings Ed songs great, but IMO doesn’t sing Neil well (and his Petty is troubling at best). They both have VERY distinctive voices and Ed’s covers do not work.


considering they have perhaps the best all time closer in rock in YLB, and even indifference is great, every time I heard Rockin it’s time for me to hit the exit, and I am a long time NY fan. Setting Sun is a fine tune, but it’s like sitting Lebron when they skip yellow or indifference.


 

I don't have a problem with Pearl Jam playing RIFTW (but would prefer a different Neil Young cover. Any other cover), but man - when I saw Neil Young in 2016 and he played RIFTW it was just another beast than Pearl Jams version. Blew my socks off.

schaefferlax

Taylor Swift

Haijay

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Go Beavers

You know when you have a little hole in the end of your sock, then as the day goes on a work and the hole gets bigger your big toe pushes through the hole and then it starts to hurt more than is should? That sucks. 

on2legs

Go Beavers said:

You know when you have a little hole in the end of your sock, then as the day goes on a work and the hole gets bigger your big toe pushes through the hole and then it starts to hurt more than is should? That sucks. 

I can deal with a hole in my sock as long as my socks are dry.  Getting caught in a rainstorm or accidentally stepping in a puddle and ending up with wet socks is on my top 10 list of things I hate.  I savor the moment I can change into dry socks. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Go Beavers said:

You know when you have a little hole in the end of your sock, then as the day goes on a work and the hole gets bigger your big toe pushes through the hole and then it starts to hurt more than is should? That sucks. 

Is this the start of a Seinfeld episode

Goldy

MikeDigs said:

Both of the LA shows were fantastic, but we only got 10 out of 11 Dark Matter tracks.  I think that the 2 show cities should get all 11 Dark Matter tracks spread across both nights.  Somethings Got to Give here.  I really wanted (needed) to see Got to Give performed live.  That song is good for my soul.  My next chance to see Got to Give will be Ohana fest.  Hopefully we get the legendary I Got Id / Got To Give combo.

My hope is that by the late summer/fall leg of this tour we are only getting about 2-3 Dark Matter songs per city!