Maybe next time she should spent less time on the eco vinyl PR crap and release a quality product.
Calling sustainable efforts "crap" says a lot about you. Maybe you should start become more of a quality person and start releasing quality posts.
I spent £30 on an extremely poor sounding record. My post was based on the artist releasing an item that has received no quality control. I really like Billie Eilish, but perhaps more effort should have been spent on a quality product than a ‘sustainable effort’. I think that’s more than fair when consumers are forking out their hard earned.
My Pearl Jam Road: 10/22/90 Seattle | 12/22/90 Seattle, Moore Theater | 9/29/92 Seattle, Magnusson Park, Drop in the Park | 9/5/93 The Gorge, with Neil Young and Blind Melon | 7/20/06 Portland, Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall with Sleater-Kinney | 7/22/06 The Gorge, 10/21/06 Mountain View, Shoreline Ampitheatre, Bridge School Benefit | 9/21/09 Seattle | 9/22/09 Seattle | 9/26/09 Portland, OR | 7/14/2011 Eddie Vedder, Portland, OR | 11/29/13 Portland, OR
Maybe next time she should spent less time on the eco vinyl PR crap and release a quality product.
Calling sustainable efforts "crap" says a lot about you. Maybe you should start become more of a quality person and start releasing quality posts.
It is crap if you're pushing out junk. At that point you'd be better off ecologically by not producing anything. It's not just about materials - plants, trucks, etc.
The Max Martin-produced Moon Music will be available in a variety of formats that meet “new sustainability standards.” The group has had a longtime focus on sustainability, having so far produced 59 percent less CO2 emissions on their current tour compared with their previous stadium tour, according to a press release. Coldplay continue their sustainability efforts with their upcoming album’s four physical release versions — standard EcoCD, standard numbered EcoRecord rPET LP, Notebook Edition EcoCD, and Notebook Edition Numbered EcoRecord rPET LP+ EcoCD. Each of the first editions released will be individually numbered, and there will also be a limited number of hand-signed editions available.
The 140g EcoRecord rPET LP version will be the first ever made of its kind. Each copy will be fashioned from nine recycled PET-plastic bottles taken from post-consumer waste. Compared to traditional 140g vinyl, this approach will prevent the use of 25 metric tonnes of virgin plastic, while also reducing 85 percent of CO2 emissions during the manufacturing process.
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Meanwhile, Moon Music’s CD versions mark another first as an EcoCD made from 90 percent recycled polycarbonate sourced from post-consumer waste. This will reduce CO2 emissions in production by at least 78 percent while avoiding the use of more than five metric tonnes of virgin plastic.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I don't know about these records but the recycled plastic bottle t-shirts that Radiohead made on the In Rainbows tour are extremely comfortable and durable. Would buy more of those in a second.
What a fucking loser. I can’t stand her. Im pretty sure stopping some extra colored variant records from being produced is not going to save the environment 🤦🏼
what a fucking loser I am throwing my recyclables in the recycling instead of in the trash, or hell, on the street. Like MY contribution to recycling is going to save the environment. 🤦🏼
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
that being said, I'm also getting rid of most of my physical media collection. if it's available on spotify or youtube, GONE. if it's not, I keep it. it's partly a decision on how much room I'd like to have in my tiny house, partly just feeling like it's wasteful as fuck. But I'm not going to pretend that if I didn't have a massive house that I might not keep it.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
I don't know about these records but the recycled plastic bottle t-shirts that Radiohead made on the In Rainbows tour are extremely comfortable and durable. Would buy more of those in a second.
Only problem with “cloth” made from recycled plastic is as it gets washed it breaks down and the micro-plastics go into the water supply then into bodies.
It’s the double edge sword of renewables. They may address one concern but then create a new set of problems.
I don't know about these records but the recycled plastic bottle t-shirts that Radiohead made on the In Rainbows tour are extremely comfortable and durable. Would buy more of those in a second.
Only problem with “cloth” made from recycled plastic is as it gets washed it breaks down and the micro-plastics go into the water supply then into bodies.
It’s the double edge sword of renewables. They may address one concern but then create a new set of problems.
This is good to know and to stay away from. Growing up in the 90s everyone had fleece jackets.
I imagine there is a risk Abe Froman will call me a ”looser” now, but good to know about staying away from it!
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
that being said, I'm also getting rid of most of my physical media collection. if it's available on spotify or youtube, GONE. if it's not, I keep it. it's partly a decision on how much room I'd like to have in my tiny house, partly just feeling like it's wasteful as fuck. But I'm not going to pretend that if I didn't have a massive house that I might not keep it.
I understand the storage space aspect, but isn't the wastefulness aspect mitigated by the fact that these objects have already been manufactured? Giving these things up won't put fossil fuels back in the ground.
As for me, they will pry my physical media from my cold dead hands. And be careful about getting rid of the things that truly matter to you. Don't assume that these streaming services will be cheap forever, or that they'll even be available forever. The future is not a straight line. Think of all the people who ditched their records thirty years ago and now pay premiums to buy them back.
I don't know about these records but the recycled plastic bottle t-shirts that Radiohead made on the In Rainbows tour are extremely comfortable and durable. Would buy more of those in a second.
Only problem with “cloth” made from recycled plastic is as it gets washed it breaks down and the micro-plastics go into the water supply then into bodies.
It’s the double edge sword of renewables. They may address one concern but then create a new set of problems.
that being said, I'm also getting rid of most of my physical media collection. if it's available on spotify or youtube, GONE. if it's not, I keep it. it's partly a decision on how much room I'd like to have in my tiny house, partly just feeling like it's wasteful as fuck. But I'm not going to pretend that if I didn't have a massive house that I might not keep it.
I understand the storage space aspect, but isn't the wastefulness aspect mitigated by the fact that these objects have already been manufactured? Giving these things up won't put fossil fuels back in the ground.
As for me, they will pry my physical media from my cold dead hands. And be careful about getting rid of the things that truly matter to you. Don't assume that these streaming services will be cheap forever, or that they'll even be available forever. The future is not a straight line. Think of all the people who ditched their records thirty years ago and now pay premiums to buy them back.
everything I'm getting rid of I have digitized in my own library. I am keeping cd's and vinyl that aren't on streaming services or that I haven't digitized myself.
not that it matters a whole lot, as my motivation isn't wastefulness of resources but my own feelings of waste (too much "stuff" that I don't use regularly), but whatever I sell, likely would mean someone who wants it, won't buy it new. But no, a drop in the bucket. But a lot of drops makes an ocean.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
not that it matters a whole lot, as my motivation isn't wastefulness of resources but my own feelings of waste (too much "stuff" that I don't use regularly), but whatever I sell, likely would mean someone who wants it, won't buy it new. But no, a drop in the bucket. But a lot of drops makes an ocean.
So it's as much about decluttering/simplifying as it is about wastefulness.
One thing about CDs as compared to LPs is that they take up a lot less space. I have over 1,000 CDs, but they're all in a cabinet that's less than a foot deep and sits very inconspicuously along the wall next to my entertainment center. It also has sliding doors that are not see-through, so the CDs are invisible to me unless I'm using them. My records, on the other hand, number about 125 titles (about a third are Pearl Jam, about 20 percent are Wilco and 95 percent of the others consist of my childhood collection from the '80s) but take up all of the shelves on one side of the entertainment center and they stare back at me all the time, taunting me because I know their value according to discogs.com and none of the Pearl Jam ones contain any music that I don't otherwise possess on CD, which I prefer anyway. I will often be watching TV, see the records and think, "I really should sell those."
I don't know about these records but the recycled plastic bottle t-shirts that Radiohead made on the In Rainbows tour are extremely comfortable and durable. Would buy more of those in a second.
Only problem with “cloth” made from recycled plastic is as it gets washed it breaks down and the micro-plastics go into the water supply then into bodies.
It’s the double edge sword of renewables. They may address one concern but then create a new set of problems.
But it's comfortable and clears my conscience
Exactly!!!
For my job I’m on a few committees looking at renewable energy and EVs and the charging of them. During one meeting a presenter was going on about how these things will be so beneficial to the environment. I asked how to square that with the fact that EVs and solar panels require a lot of plastic to manufacture and the extraction bi-products to mine the materials needed to built storage batteries. Didn’t get much of an answer but I did get a very dirty look!
What a fucking loser. I can’t stand her. Im pretty sure stopping some extra colored variant records from being produced is not going to save the environment 🤦🏼
what a fucking loser I am throwing my recyclables in the recycling instead of in the trash, or hell, on the street. Like MY contribution to recycling is going to save the environment. 🤦🏼
Being conscious of recycling materials we will throw away after one use and worrying about some vinyl variants people want to collect and play are radically different.
I don't know about these records but the recycled plastic bottle t-shirts that Radiohead made on the In Rainbows tour are extremely comfortable and durable. Would buy more of those in a second.
Only problem with “cloth” made from recycled plastic is as it gets washed it breaks down and the micro-plastics go into the water supply then into bodies.
It’s the double edge sword of renewables. They may address one concern but then create a new set of problems.
But it's comfortable and clears my conscience
Exactly!!!
For my job I’m on a few committees looking at renewable energy and EVs and the charging of them. During one meeting a presenter was going on about how these things will be so beneficial to the environment. I asked how to square that with the fact that EVs and solar panels require a lot of plastic to manufacture and the extraction bi-products to mine the materials needed to built storage batteries. Didn’t get much of an answer but I did get a very dirty look!
Square it with the fact that the amount of carbon in the atmosphere is reaching a tipping point and, if we don't stop putting more carbon into the atmosphere, we risk a runaway greenhouse effect that will create mass suffering and possible extinction. The decrease in carbon that a shift to electric vehicles would effectuate would dwarf the concern you're raising. Plastics necessary for manufacturing electric-vehicle and solar-panel components can be made from recycled materials. Extraction byproducts from mining lithium is less consequential than carbon emissions that the environment is already unable to compensate for.
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Maybe you should start become more of a quality person and start releasing quality posts.
The Max Martin-produced Moon Music will be available in a variety of formats that meet “new sustainability standards.” The group has had a longtime focus on sustainability, having so far produced 59 percent less CO2 emissions on their current tour compared with their previous stadium tour, according to a press release. Coldplay continue their sustainability efforts with their upcoming album’s four physical release versions — standard EcoCD, standard numbered EcoRecord rPET LP, Notebook Edition EcoCD, and Notebook Edition Numbered EcoRecord rPET LP+ EcoCD. Each of the first editions released will be individually numbered, and there will also be a limited number of hand-signed editions available.
The 140g EcoRecord rPET LP version will be the first ever made of its kind. Each copy will be fashioned from nine recycled PET-plastic bottles taken from post-consumer waste. Compared to traditional 140g vinyl, this approach will prevent the use of 25 metric tonnes of virgin plastic, while also reducing 85 percent of CO2 emissions during the manufacturing process.
/.../
Meanwhile, Moon Music’s CD versions mark another first as an EcoCD made from 90 percent recycled polycarbonate sourced from post-consumer waste. This will reduce CO2 emissions in production by at least 78 percent while avoiding the use of more than five metric tonnes of virgin plastic.
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
It’s the double edge sword of renewables. They may address one concern but then create a new set of problems.
I imagine there is a risk Abe Froman will call me a ”looser”
now, but good to know about staying away from it!
As for me, they will pry my physical media from my cold dead hands. And be careful about getting rid of the things that truly matter to you. Don't assume that these streaming services will be cheap forever, or that they'll even be available forever. The future is not a straight line. Think of all the people who ditched their records thirty years ago and now pay premiums to buy them back.
not that it matters a whole lot, as my motivation isn't wastefulness of resources but my own feelings of waste (too much "stuff" that I don't use regularly), but whatever I sell, likely would mean someone who wants it, won't buy it new. But no, a drop in the bucket. But a lot of drops makes an ocean.
-EV 8/14/93
One thing about CDs as compared to LPs is that they take up a lot less space. I have over 1,000 CDs, but they're all in a cabinet that's less than a foot deep and sits very inconspicuously along the wall next to my entertainment center. It also has sliding doors that are not see-through, so the CDs are invisible to me unless I'm using them. My records, on the other hand, number about 125 titles (about a third are Pearl Jam, about 20 percent are Wilco and 95 percent of the others consist of my childhood collection from the '80s) but take up all of the shelves on one side of the entertainment center and they stare back at me all the time, taunting me because I know their value according to discogs.com and none of the Pearl Jam ones contain any music that I don't otherwise possess on CD, which I prefer anyway. I will often be watching TV, see the records and think, "I really should sell those."
For my job I’m on a few committees looking at renewable energy and EVs and the charging of them. During one meeting a presenter was going on about how these things will be so beneficial to the environment. I asked how to square that with the fact that EVs and solar panels require a lot of plastic to manufacture and the extraction bi-products to mine the materials needed to built storage batteries. Didn’t get much of an answer but I did get a very dirty look!