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How long do you think it will take TM to open Fan-to-Fan for Leg 1?

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    iOnlyownMymindiOnlyownMymind Posts: 2,522
    Mar 16 to 31
    PJ_Soul said:
    It is saying on the Vancouver tickets that they won't be available until 2 days before each show.... Does that mean we won't be able to sell via F2F until 2 days before the show?!?! Would they really do that to us???
    No it just means you can't add it to your wallet until then. If F2F opens you can still sell whenever that happens. 
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,515
    Feb 25 to Mar 15
    PJ_Soul said:
    It is saying on the Vancouver tickets that they won't be available until 2 days before each show.... Does that mean we won't be able to sell via F2F until 2 days before the show?!?! Would they really do that to us???
    No it just means you can't add it to your wallet until then. If F2F opens you can still sell whenever that happens. 

    Thank you! Thank goodness. I was worried.... I'm concerned in general. Tickets aren't moving for these 2 shows anymore at all, at premium prices (still at a minimum of $349, max of $838). Not even primo seats. They are clearly just way overpriced. I am anxious for them to come to to their senses and lower those to prices that will actually move them. a huge portion of the back half of the lower bowl is unsold right now, and even 2nd row floor and 1st row beside the pit won't move. It's crazy stupid.
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    RatherStarvedRatherStarved Posts: 4,173
    As of the public sale date there were 71 days until the Vancouver show.  The 10 club entry date was even earlier.  Now there are only 33 days.  Well under 50% or the original time.  

    It’s beyond ridiculous at this point not to have fan to fan open.  
    PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2
     
    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
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    Weston1283Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 4,626
    Mar 16 to 31
    As of the public sale date there were 71 days until the Vancouver show.  The 10 club entry date was even earlier.  Now there are only 33 days.  Well under 50% or the original time.  

    It’s beyond ridiculous at this point not to have fan to fan open.  
    Especially for those first 4 shows.  So many standard tickets still available, I think they know those might not sell at the $175 price point once F2F opens.
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    mwplummwplum Posts: 1,509
    This is exactly why I started the poll. While I am grateful to be in the building, we shouldn’t be forced into a scenario where we are forced to compete with TM in secondary market.The whole construct of “face value” is dead (as TM can fluctuate price during primary sale, then handcuff us in secondary).

    If I remember correctly, this happened in the EV + Earthlings 2022 shows at Benny (ie not the charity shows last year). TM locked until last week or so before show, then wouldn’t allow people to sell BELOW face. I vaguely recall some saying they bought $600 premium during “primary” sale, then (once F-2-F finally went live), wanted to sell around the original “face value” price of $200is (which is what TM had released + reduced all remaining “premiums” for once they opened F-2-F). Unfortunately because they paid an inflated price originally, they couldn’t list on F-2-F below $600, and as such were forced to eat the tickets when they were forced into competing with TM. 
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    1993-9-4 Vancouver
    1996-9-16 Seattle
    1998-7-19 Vancouver, 7-21 Seattle, Memorial Stadium
    2000-11-6 Seattle
    2001-10-22 Seattle
    2002 -12-09 Seattle
    2009-8-17 Manchester, 9-25 Vancouver
    2011-6-16 Seattle (EV), 9-3/4 PJ20, 9-25 Vancouver
    2012-6-27 Amsterdam (#2!)
    2013-11-29 Portland, 12-4 Vancouver, 12-6 Seattle
    2014-AUS - 1-26 Sydney, 1-31 Adelaide, 2-11/12 EV Sydney State Theatre, 2-13 EV Opera House
    2014 - USA - Memphis, Detroit, MOLINE, St. Paul, MILWAUKEE, Denver, 25/26 Bridge School
    2016 - Lexington, Philly x 2, MSG x 2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto x 2, Pemberton, Fenway x 2, Wrigley x 2
    2018 - Seattle x 2, Missoula, Fenway x 2
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    RatherStarvedRatherStarved Posts: 4,173
    There’s a lot wrong with the system.  Bring on more state laws.  
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    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
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    mwplummwplum Posts: 1,509
    Hell, this company is f-ing over fans world wide, bring in The Hague! 
    1992-07-21 Vancouver
    1993-9-4 Vancouver
    1996-9-16 Seattle
    1998-7-19 Vancouver, 7-21 Seattle, Memorial Stadium
    2000-11-6 Seattle
    2001-10-22 Seattle
    2002 -12-09 Seattle
    2009-8-17 Manchester, 9-25 Vancouver
    2011-6-16 Seattle (EV), 9-3/4 PJ20, 9-25 Vancouver
    2012-6-27 Amsterdam (#2!)
    2013-11-29 Portland, 12-4 Vancouver, 12-6 Seattle
    2014-AUS - 1-26 Sydney, 1-31 Adelaide, 2-11/12 EV Sydney State Theatre, 2-13 EV Opera House
    2014 - USA - Memphis, Detroit, MOLINE, St. Paul, MILWAUKEE, Denver, 25/26 Bridge School
    2016 - Lexington, Philly x 2, MSG x 2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto x 2, Pemberton, Fenway x 2, Wrigley x 2
    2018 - Seattle x 2, Missoula, Fenway x 2
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    mwplummwplum Posts: 1,509
    edited April 2
    Tbh, some of the tactics are subtle that I highly doubt 10C and most bands are even aware. Imagine they have a million things to do getting ready for a world tour. My bet would be that they don’t know the F-2-F is off (or the effect that it has on fans).
    1992-07-21 Vancouver
    1993-9-4 Vancouver
    1996-9-16 Seattle
    1998-7-19 Vancouver, 7-21 Seattle, Memorial Stadium
    2000-11-6 Seattle
    2001-10-22 Seattle
    2002 -12-09 Seattle
    2009-8-17 Manchester, 9-25 Vancouver
    2011-6-16 Seattle (EV), 9-3/4 PJ20, 9-25 Vancouver
    2012-6-27 Amsterdam (#2!)
    2013-11-29 Portland, 12-4 Vancouver, 12-6 Seattle
    2014-AUS - 1-26 Sydney, 1-31 Adelaide, 2-11/12 EV Sydney State Theatre, 2-13 EV Opera House
    2014 - USA - Memphis, Detroit, MOLINE, St. Paul, MILWAUKEE, Denver, 25/26 Bridge School
    2016 - Lexington, Philly x 2, MSG x 2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto x 2, Pemberton, Fenway x 2, Wrigley x 2
    2018 - Seattle x 2, Missoula, Fenway x 2
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    ilockyerilockyer Posts: 2,235
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    PJ_Soul said:
    It is saying on the Vancouver tickets that they won't be available until 2 days before each show.... Does that mean we won't be able to sell via F2F until 2 days before the show?!?! Would they really do that to us???
    They being Ticketmaster... most probably. 
    Hope not though. 
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,515
    edited April 3
    Feb 25 to Mar 15
    ilockyer said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It is saying on the Vancouver tickets that they won't be available until 2 days before each show.... Does that mean we won't be able to sell via F2F until 2 days before the show?!?! Would they really do that to us???
    They being Ticketmaster... most probably. 
    Hope not though. 

    Apparently it is 10C/PJ. I contacted ticketmaster and they have no idea when the F2F sale will start. They said it is entirely up to the event organizers.
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,099
    April 1 to 15
    PJ_Soul said:
    ilockyer said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It is saying on the Vancouver tickets that they won't be available until 2 days before each show.... Does that mean we won't be able to sell via F2F until 2 days before the show?!?! Would they really do that to us???
    They being Ticketmaster... most probably. 
    Hope not though. 

    Apparently it is 10C/PJ. I contacted ticketmaster and they have no idea when the F2F sale will start. They said it is entirely up to the event organizers.

    Would the event organizers be Live Nation. PJ is the band, the crew shows up, builts the stage, the band plays, they go home.   The promoter (usually Live Nation) organizes the event?
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    mwplummwplum Posts: 1,509
    A great example of why the LN/TM merger was such a death blow to fans…once can point to the other and say “not my fault” (when in fact it’s the same entity)

    1992-07-21 Vancouver
    1993-9-4 Vancouver
    1996-9-16 Seattle
    1998-7-19 Vancouver, 7-21 Seattle, Memorial Stadium
    2000-11-6 Seattle
    2001-10-22 Seattle
    2002 -12-09 Seattle
    2009-8-17 Manchester, 9-25 Vancouver
    2011-6-16 Seattle (EV), 9-3/4 PJ20, 9-25 Vancouver
    2012-6-27 Amsterdam (#2!)
    2013-11-29 Portland, 12-4 Vancouver, 12-6 Seattle
    2014-AUS - 1-26 Sydney, 1-31 Adelaide, 2-11/12 EV Sydney State Theatre, 2-13 EV Opera House
    2014 - USA - Memphis, Detroit, MOLINE, St. Paul, MILWAUKEE, Denver, 25/26 Bridge School
    2016 - Lexington, Philly x 2, MSG x 2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto x 2, Pemberton, Fenway x 2, Wrigley x 2
    2018 - Seattle x 2, Missoula, Fenway x 2
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    mwplummwplum Posts: 1,509
    Thankfully now seems to be open though, so thanks for taking the time to call them!
    1992-07-21 Vancouver
    1993-9-4 Vancouver
    1996-9-16 Seattle
    1998-7-19 Vancouver, 7-21 Seattle, Memorial Stadium
    2000-11-6 Seattle
    2001-10-22 Seattle
    2002 -12-09 Seattle
    2009-8-17 Manchester, 9-25 Vancouver
    2011-6-16 Seattle (EV), 9-3/4 PJ20, 9-25 Vancouver
    2012-6-27 Amsterdam (#2!)
    2013-11-29 Portland, 12-4 Vancouver, 12-6 Seattle
    2014-AUS - 1-26 Sydney, 1-31 Adelaide, 2-11/12 EV Sydney State Theatre, 2-13 EV Opera House
    2014 - USA - Memphis, Detroit, MOLINE, St. Paul, MILWAUKEE, Denver, 25/26 Bridge School
    2016 - Lexington, Philly x 2, MSG x 2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto x 2, Pemberton, Fenway x 2, Wrigley x 2
    2018 - Seattle x 2, Missoula, Fenway x 2
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,878
    mwplum said:
    A great example of why the LN/TM merger was such a death blow to fans…once can point to the other and say “not my fault” (when in fact it’s the same entity)

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    PJKnopfPJKnopf Posts: 51
    edited April 3
    ...after the F2F sale opened now at TM I'm even more p*ssed by them: I offered my Berlin pre sale ticket which cost me 174,50 EUR for 150,- EUR but if you go to the seating map and choose it in the F2F sale then it will still cost you 172,50. So TM is taking 22,50 "fee" for it, that's ridiculous...

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    ilockyerilockyer Posts: 2,235
    Even later
    PJKnopf said:
    ...after the F2F sale opened now at TM I'm even more p*ssed by them: I offered my Berlin pre sale ticket which cost me 174,50 EUR for 150,- EUR but if you go to the seating map and choose it in the F2F sale then it will still cost you 172,50. So TM is taking 22,50 "fee" for it, that's ridiculous...
    They're doing that for the UK shows too. An ex work colleague put his (now) spare on at face and asked me to check if it was showing as he couldn't see it. That was the reason why. 
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,515
    Feb 25 to Mar 15
    Zod said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    ilockyer said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It is saying on the Vancouver tickets that they won't be available until 2 days before each show.... Does that mean we won't be able to sell via F2F until 2 days before the show?!?! Would they really do that to us???
    They being Ticketmaster... most probably. 
    Hope not though. 

    Apparently it is 10C/PJ. I contacted ticketmaster and they have no idea when the F2F sale will start. They said it is entirely up to the event organizers.

    Would the event organizers be Live Nation. PJ is the band, the crew shows up, builts the stage, the band plays, they go home.   The promoter (usually Live Nation) organizes the event?

    Lol, I didn't assume they would act like LN is different from them like that. If that's the case, then fuck them sideways.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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