How long do you think it will take TM to open Fan-to-Fan for Leg 1?

mwplummwplum Posts: 1,509
I won’t go into a long explanation as to why it’s to TM’s benefit to stall, other than to make the simple point that, the longer they keep face value sales turned off (ie not allowing fan-to-fan), the more likely people will be fomo’d into paying the exorbitant “premium” prices (as that is all they will see when logging in). Given that most shows still have a lot of premiums available, what’s your ballpark guess for when fan-to-fan goes live for Leg 1?
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How long do you think it will take TM to open Fan-to-Fan for Leg 1? 116 votes

Feb 25 to Mar 15
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Mar 16 to 31
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April 1 to 15
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April 16 to 30
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  • SHZASHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 3,150
    edited February 25
    Feb 25 to Mar 15
    Tour starts on May 4, it will open soon. Last year it opened May 8, the week after 10c tickets were distributed so I think sometime in the next two weeks for sure. The theory that TM will delay making it available due to ulterior motives hasn't been the case in previous years. 
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  • MarieowMarieow San Francisco Posts: 73
    April 1 to 15
    Looking back on my emails from last year, the seat assignments (after the whole SNAFU) were sent 4/28. On 6/16, I was able to get F2F tickets by then (I upgraded my seats, basically). I think F2F went live early June, so I'm thinking late March, early April for this year. 
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  • patkelly12patkelly12 CT Posts: 344
    Even later
    depends on how premiums sell
  • SpunkieSpunkie I come from downtown. Posts: 5,439
    edited February 25
    I have not a clue. But I'm looking forward to this because I have STONE-side stage that I need to fix!! :whistle::wink:
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  • steven87steven87 Posts: 1,171
    Mar 16 to 31
    I’m thinking a few more weeks to give TM the chance to sell off some more premiums before the market becomes flooded with face value seats. But being that the tour starts 5/4, I’m thinking it has to open up at some point before the end of March. What I’ll be interested to see is whether TM opens up F2F for all of the shows at once, or initially only opens it up for the shows on leg 1. 
  • Even later
    Don't think they'll be switching them on for certain venues at all (London, Berlin, Barcelona) Others, where tickets are scarce, probably mid April onwards
  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 40,819
    April 1 to 15
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  • marumarukomarumaruko Frankfurt / Salzburg / Calgary / Hamilton Posts: 58
    edited February 26
    Mar 16 to 31
    Don't think they'll be switching them on for certain venues at all (London, Berlin, Barcelona) Others, where tickets are scarce, probably mid April onwards
    No chance at that. Ticketmaster and PJ basically assured people to be able to sell them if they can't make it. 
  • BSullyBSully Indiana Posts: 1,010
    Mar 16 to 31
    I think it will happen sooner than we think.
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  • Weston1283Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 4,624
    Mar 16 to 31
    Probably in a couple of weeks
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  • demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,646
    Mar 16 to 31
    Once the 2nd single is released. 
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,189
    dumb question but F2F is not a different site than regular Ticketbastard tickets is it?  Just someone can upload them and they show at the regular Ticketbastard page?
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,040
    pjhawks said:
    dumb question but F2F is not a different site than regular Ticketbastard tickets is it?  Just someone can upload them and they show at the regular Ticketbastard page?
    Correct
  • jimjam1982jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,169
    April 1 to 15
    In 2022 it was like a month before the tour.  In 2023 it was like a week after ticket sales - with only 9 shows for the whole year they had no issue selling tickets.  I think this one will be early April about a month early only because some of the shows have tickets that need to be sold.

    I'm more curious if they open it for the whole tour or NA Leg 1 only.
  • LiftedLifted Posts: 1,584
    F2f appears to be open for Noblesville 
  • vercemanverceman Posts: 680
    Here's a Fan 2 Fan question for the vets. So I am looking at Bleachers tickets in Philly. I missed teh presale but it looks like Bleachers were using a face value ticket exchange where fans can resell for face value. It says clearly that tickets are non transferable and mobile only. Iff you visit the ticketmaster site there is a drop down filter for the exchange but there are no seats available. However, I see tickets available on Stubhub and SeatGeek for like 2x face value. Have people found a way around this system and are reselling on the secondary sites, or are people who buy on Stubhub etc going to get screwed? I would think SeatGeek and these other sites would definitely not want that to happen, so how are these listings posted? I know lots of times there are postings for seats that are not yet in hand, but in this case if all the tickets are non transferable, how would this work?
  • verceman said:
    Here's a Fan 2 Fan question for the vets. So I am looking at Bleachers tickets in Philly. I missed teh presale but it looks like Bleachers were using a face value ticket exchange where fans can resell for face value. It says clearly that tickets are non transferable and mobile only. Iff you visit the ticketmaster site there is a drop down filter for the exchange but there are no seats available. However, I see tickets available on Stubhub and SeatGeek for like 2x face value. Have people found a way around this system and are reselling on the secondary sites, or are people who buy on Stubhub etc going to get screwed? I would think SeatGeek and these other sites would definitely not want that to happen, so how are these listings posted? I know lots of times there are postings for seats that are not yet in hand, but in this case if all the tickets are non transferable, how would this work?
    Speculative tickets for sure. A lot of time people post tix that don't even exist. Worst case scenario, they just refund the buyer and they just don't have tickets. 

    But to your second point, there is a way to get around tix being non transferable. People have already figured that out. 
  • mwplummwplum Posts: 1,509
    TM still trying to amp up the fomo / drive people into thinking they need to buy platinum to get in
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  • ilockyerilockyer Posts: 2,234
    Even later
    I asked TM UK on X about the UK shows and their response is copied below: 

    "Replying to ilockyer
    We’ll always provide the opportunity to transfer/resell tickets whenever we can, but these options aren’t available for every event. It’s possible that they may be available nearer the event date, but this isn’t something that we can guarantee. Thanks!"
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  • jimjam1982jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,169
    April 1 to 15
    ilockyer said:
    I asked TM UK on X about the UK shows and their response is copied below: 

    "Replying to ilockyer
    We’ll always provide the opportunity to transfer/resell tickets whenever we can, but these options aren’t available for every event. It’s possible that they may be available nearer the event date, but this isn’t something that we can guarantee. Thanks!"
    I am confident that they have no idea what they are talking about at Ticketmaster. Take that with a grain of salt. 
  • SHZASHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 3,150
    Feb 25 to Mar 15
    ilockyer said:
    I asked TM UK on X about the UK shows and their response is copied below: 

    "Replying to ilockyer
    We’ll always provide the opportunity to transfer/resell tickets whenever we can, but these options aren’t available for every event. It’s possible that they may be available nearer the event date, but this isn’t something that we can guarantee. Thanks!"
    Canned response for that type of inquiry  
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,867
    Timeline for option 1 ends tomorrow. Release the hounds already!
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  • spankyMPspankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 1,093
    April 1 to 15
    c'monnnnn..........
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,040
    My professional experience is that customer service agents may give you wildly incorrect information at any time for a wide variety of reasons 
  • gotthebottlegotthebottle San Diego Posts: 2,336
    April 1 to 15
    I just want to get rid of my Vegas 1 and Sacramento tix...ASAP.  
    My Sac was a good one too ... Row A seat 1 behind GA...
  • ZodZod Posts: 10,071
    April 1 to 15
    There's alot of unsold platinum tickets in Vancouver.  I'm guessing not until April.
  • craigraethercraigraether Posts: 1,124
    Strange that ( At least me) we are not seeing lots of advertising for the shows.... Ive seen very little movement on the available seats for CA shows. I think we will see the F2F turn on as soon as Monday, the availability of tickets creates the buzz and gets people looking at tickets. Some will just give up and buy premiums or limited view seats. I could also see only the first leg get turned on or it could be show by show starting with Van, PDX, SAC... . then a week later LV, LV, LA, LA...etc.. I would not be surprised if there are some efforts to discourage upgraders that buy too many seats in one show to move up/. Could be the tax is not added so each transaction will cost 15 per ticket extra 

  • mwplummwplum Posts: 1,509
    edited March 19
    The level of deception by TM is so extensive and complex that it’s hard to describe to casual fans. Was talking with some concert-going parents this week (in their 40’s) and all believed platinum involved special access beyond a regular ticket for PJ. It was excruciating hear them say things like “those must be some pretty awesome tickets then” (assuming that by paying $600+ for Vancouver, they’d get VIP perks, etc). I found myself struggling to concisely explain they were just regular tickets labelled differently by TM (and that they will drop to face when don’t sell at those prices - or perhaps even below face if they start to compete via-a-vis fan-to-fan). 

    The thing I miss most about the old days is transparency in the “primary” market. I miss those colour/price coded seating charts so much! Remember when we knew the prices before the onsale?  …and they didn’t skyrocket in real time 2 minutes into the general onsale? 

    I feel like even most bands and their management don’t understand all of the subtleties. 

    All to say, please open fan-to-fan asap! 
    Post edited by mwplum on
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  • SSS81SSS81 Posts: 166
    I enjoy watching large chunks of seats pop-up for $600-$900+, sit there for a couple days. Then a single seat will disappear right in the middle, or a pair right next to the aisle seat. I can't believe anyone would not buy the aisle pair. It's all fake demand. I won't bother complaining about how these "premium seats" are what used to be 10C seats.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,506
    Feb 25 to Mar 15
    It is saying on the Vancouver tickets that they won't be available until 2 days before each show.... Does that mean we won't be able to sell via F2F until 2 days before the show?!?! Would they really do that to us???
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