Official 2024 Ticket Lottery Results Thread

kmcmanus

EBowie said:

I remember when having a good 10C number actually mattered.  That was cool.  Now we live in this "everyone gets a trophy" era and my years of faithfully maintaining my membership seems to not matter.  What's the point of having membership numbers if we're all just the same ping-pong ball in a lottery machine?

Because you were always just a ping pong ball? Seniority has never mattered for the lottery, it only matters for seat selection, as mentioned in roughly 97 different posts above 

SHZA

jjflash said:

pjl44 said:

One simple way that selecting both GA/P1 and P1 would increase your chances is if it counts as two distinct entries. So if you didn't get pulled for GA you have 2 ping pong balls (GA/P1 and P1) vs 1 ping pong ball (GA/P1 only).

That's the way I read it as well. Which begs the question, and to echo others' points: Why not have two literally distinct entries with no overlap: one ping pong ball hopper for GA, and another for seated? 

To sell more reserved seats which otherwise wouldn't sell because many members would select GA only. 

MD190661

washed in black said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

washed in black said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

PJ and Dylan are my muse said:

It seems (and seemed) pretty damn clear to me.

Agreed. you're getting 3 chances at the show. If you lose GA/P1 you get thrown into plain P1, lose that you get another chance at P2.

That's how we won Baltimore, a show we really wanted. 

Why would P1 be separate draw for p1 seats than GA/p1?

Because it's a completely different option. There is no GA only option anymore, so if you want P1, you check every possible way you can get it.

I don't think only checking the GA/P1 box and checking the P1 box increased chances of getting P1 tickets. It was just an option for people who knew they didn't want GA to not get GA and for PJ to sell more tickets to those who might only want GA but weren't given that option.

Also, I can totally see not wanting to pay $170 a pop to sit in the upper reaches of an arena. I love PJ, of course, but wouldn't put in for a lottery where I could have gotten upper level seats, esp at those prices. 

jimjam1982

GA/P1 - feels like its own GA only option.  The GA pit is a different color.
P1 is the blue
P2 was the orange

It wasn't particularly clear but I feel like the P stands for price. Since seated/GA are the same price they get tagged with the P1

Vedd Hedd

SHZA said:

jjflash said:

pjl44 said:

One simple way that selecting both GA/P1 and P1 would increase your chances is if it counts as two distinct entries. So if you didn't get pulled for GA you have 2 ping pong balls (GA/P1 and P1) vs 1 ping pong ball (GA/P1 only).

That's the way I read it as well. Which begs the question, and to echo others' points: Why not have two literally distinct entries with no overlap: one ping pong ball hopper for GA, and another for seated? 

To sell more reserved seats which otherwise wouldn't sell because many members would select GA only. 

Vedders Crew

Listen Jammers! I have no idea how many 10 club members there are anymore.  I literally got 2 shit seats for the 2 fan club Chicago shows that I went to last year.  My seats haven't been good since probably 2006.  I went to 9 shows that tour and my fan club seats were pretty good.  I don't expect anything or Pearl Jam owes me anything for me being in the fan club for over 25 years.  The band is there to make the most money possible and they deserve it even though their political ideology lean complete leftist!  They have 100's of employees to pay healthcare, retirement, and other costs.  If you didn't get tickets and been in the fan club since 92 I don't feel sorry for you.  That's life.  Also, you're probably too old anyways and Pearl Jam want to see some younger people in GA.  Those are my thoughts.  Anyways, for those that got tickets congrats.  For those that didn't, I could care less.  I don't feel sorry for you.

pjl44

jjflash said:

pjl44 said:

One simple way that selecting both GA/P1 and P1 would increase your chances is if it counts as two distinct entries. So if you didn't get pulled for GA you have 2 ping pong balls (GA/P1 and P1) vs 1 ping pong ball (GA/P1 only).

That's the way I read it as well. Which begs the question, and to echo others' points: Why not have two literally distinct entries with no overlap: one ping pong ball hopper for GA, and another for seated? 

I have no idea what actually forced them to change but I certainly saw plenty of questionable behavior reported in the GA or Bust era. Many extra accounts created, tickets pooled, etc. Obviously something about that setup wasn't working for them.

PJammin'

SHZA said:

washed in black said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

washed in black said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

PJ and Dylan are my muse said:

It seems (and seemed) pretty damn clear to me.

Agreed. you're getting 3 chances at the show. If you lose GA/P1 you get thrown into plain P1, lose that you get another chance at P2.

That's how we won Baltimore, a show we really wanted. 

Why would P1 be separate draw for p1 seats than GA/p1?

Because it's a completely different option. There is no GA only option anymore, so if you want P1, you check every possible way you can get it.

But it could just mean that if you select GA-P1 instead of P1 by itself, then you have the added possibility of getting GA in addition to P1, rather than reducing your chances of getting P1 if you don't check both boxes. 

I guess I should’ve checked both boxes. I just checked GA/P1 thinking if I didn’t get GA I’d get P1. I didn’t check both bcuz I thought that the P1 box was just for a person who definitely wanted a seat and not GA at all. 

Lerxst1992

bootleg said:

mookieb14 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Didn’t you (maybe another member?) earlier say it wasn’t common to have multiple winners for high demand shows?
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considering such low odds and how high demand these cities are, it seems very weird considering how many in northeast are completely shut out. I’ve seen ALOT of members here with this type of luck. Great for them , but very weird.

I have said that you would expect all possible outcomes. Some people will win everything, some will win nothing, some will win something. The lower the demand for the shows you request, the better your chances of winning everything. And, yes, there will be some people who get everything even among the high-demand shows.

If you go back through the 70 pages of this thread relevant to North America, you will see all varieties of outcomes. People are glossing over the mixed outcomes and paying special attention to the all-or-nothing outcomes.

For example, people have referred to lots of people going 10-for-10, but exactly two people in this thread (as of page 89) have reported going 10-for-10.

Can you show me a N1 P1 and N2 GA result from 2-show city from the same TC account? The one example highlighted a few pages back turned out not to be from the same account. I do agree that there were bound to be some of the 0-fer and all-fer outcomes, but there also seems to be some real oddities with the double GA's for one city.

Also curious 

There have definitely been some GA/P1 splits throughout the thread so I don’t think there’s any type of hard rule.  But I do remember feeling like there were oddities in the LA draw with a lot of GA/GA splits that stood out.  I think there were even several “me and my buddy” both got GA/GA comments.  Also saw a lot of P2/P2 Seattle but may have been some observation bias since that’s what I pulled.  The conspiracy theories creep in due to a void of information.  It would be nice to see some more data on how many tix were available/requested.  In a truly random drawing you would expect the results to fall into a Gaussian distribution.  A few are going to pull GA/GA, a few are going get shut out.  The majority should fall into P1/P1, but if you saw an abnormal spike in GA/GA you could infer that something threw the randomness off.

It has nothing to do with conspiracy. I replied to a comment that said if it’s twenty percent chance to win one show it’s twenty percent to win four shows in a very high demand region. That is not true , if the odds are twenty percent per show, you need to multiply twenty percent four times and the result is well under one percent for four shows. Not conspiracy, but math. Yeah the odds can be over twenty percent, but for these specific shows, very unlikely.

SHZA

PJammin' said:

SHZA said:

washed in black said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

washed in black said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

PJ and Dylan are my muse said:

It seems (and seemed) pretty damn clear to me.

Agreed. you're getting 3 chances at the show. If you lose GA/P1 you get thrown into plain P1, lose that you get another chance at P2.

That's how we won Baltimore, a show we really wanted. 

Why would P1 be separate draw for p1 seats than GA/p1?

Because it's a completely different option. There is no GA only option anymore, so if you want P1, you check every possible way you can get it.

But it could just mean that if you select GA-P1 instead of P1 by itself, then you have the added possibility of getting GA in addition to P1, rather than reducing your chances of getting P1 if you don't check both boxes. 

I guess I should’ve checked both boxes. I just checked GA/P1 thinking if I didn’t get GA I’d get P1. I didn’t check both bcuz I thought that the P1 box was just for a person who definitely wanted a seat and not GA at all. 

That's a reasonable interpretation. Apparently others think it's "clear" the highlighted language means you need to check both to increase your odds. I'm not sure either way but in any case wasn't really interested in seats at 5xx,xxx level so I didn't check P1 only 

mpedone

jimjam1982 said:

GA/P1 - feels like its own GA only option.  The GA pit is a different color.
P1 is the blue
P2 was the orange

It wasn't particularly clear but I feel like the P stands for price. Since seated/GA are the same price they get tagged with the P1

Except that the option said "GA or P1 Reserved - Standing or Seating", so it wasn't just price.

Hagrid7575

The amount of people who still don't understand that membership numbers have zero impact on the lottery itself is so beyond staggering. It's mind-numbing. Soul-distorting. 

And the crazy thing is, it's just not that difficult to understand. This isn't the Riemann hypothesis.

kmcmanus

Lerxst1992 said:

there is no comparison to ticket demand Philly and NY to any other area they tour, from what I have seen here the last ten years.

Especially because they play very few East Coast shows anymore, none of them south or west of Baltimore. People from Florida to Toronto are all competing for the same 4 cities.

AFJAMMER

Vedders Crew said:

Listen Jammers! I have no idea how many 10 club members there are anymore.  I literally got 2 shit seats for the 2 fan club Chicago shows that I went to last year.  My seats haven't been good since probably 2006.  I went to 9 shows that tour and my fan club seats were pretty good.  I don't expect anything or Pearl Jam owes me anything for me being in the fan club for over 25 years.  The band is there to make the most money possible and they deserve it even though their political ideology lean complete leftist!  They have 100's of employees to pay healthcare, retirement, and other costs.  If you didn't get tickets and been in the fan club since 92 I don't feel sorry for you.  That's life.  Also, you're probably too old anyways and Pearl Jam want to see some younger people in GA.  Those are my thoughts.  Anyways, for those that got tickets congrats.  For those that didn't, I could care less.  I don't feel sorry for you.

This.

Also, just stop renewing your membership if you feel you’ve been shafted. The same process will happen next tour. You will not suddenly be “guaranteed” anything.

washed in black

mpedone said:

jimjam1982 said:

GA/P1 - feels like its own GA only option.  The GA pit is a different color.
P1 is the blue
P2 was the orange

It wasn't particularly clear but I feel like the P stands for price. Since seated/GA are the same price they get tagged with the P1

Except that the option said "GA or P1 Reserved - Standing or Seating", so it wasn't just price.

Correct

otter

PJammin' said:

I went 0 for 3 and I’m not happy about it. First time not being able to get tickets with my 10C membership. 

How do you know yet?  I tried for 2 Philly and Baltimore but haven’t got an email one way or the other 

Lerxst1992

PJ and Dylan are my muse said:

Just spitballing here...What if you did not get picked for GA and a glitch of some kind did not then dump you into the P1 lottery like it should have?  That could easily result in a shutout of the whole show.  By selecting the 2nd box, you would then be in it for sure.  

Then it would be an error almost similar to the error last year. They told us ga and p1 are the same category. If there were say 3000 tickets available total ga and p1, the first 3000 member numbers drawn get those tickets. If that’s not how they did it, they didn’t follow their own rules. I’ll say it again, based on how difficult these cities have been in the past, it is very very low odds for someone to hit philly twice and msg, even if two memberships are utilized.

hooper_two

The selecting multiple categories to increase odds was a HUGE UX fail.

njhaley1

Let's say they did F up. Would TM work to unravel everything or? Whole lotta people bought plane tickets and put in for hotels yesterday. That'd be quite the pooch to unscrew. 

otter

AFJAMMER said:

Vedders Crew said:

Listen Jammers! I have no idea how many 10 club members there are anymore.  I literally got 2 shit seats for the 2 fan club Chicago shows that I went to last year.  My seats haven't been good since probably 2006.  I went to 9 shows that tour and my fan club seats were pretty good.  I don't expect anything or Pearl Jam owes me anything for me being in the fan club for over 25 years.  The band is there to make the most money possible and they deserve it even though their political ideology lean complete leftist!  They have 100's of employees to pay healthcare, retirement, and other costs.  If you didn't get tickets and been in the fan club since 92 I don't feel sorry for you.  That's life.  Also, you're probably too old anyways and Pearl Jam want to see some younger people in GA.  Those are my thoughts.  Anyways, for those that got tickets congrats.  For those that didn't, I could care less.  I don't feel sorry for you.

This.

Also, just stop renewing your membership if you feel you’ve been shafted. The same process will happen next tour. You will not suddenly be “guaranteed” anything.

Yeah, fair enough.  But you have to feel a little bad for my 52 year old ass.
I’ve been in the club since forever and lost every time since 2002