End of the American Republic?

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,370
    Following Press Secretary Leavitt’s stunning response to French MEP Raphaël Glucksmann’s statement that France should reclaim the Statue of Liberty because the US no longer upholds its original values, Glucksmann doubled down last night.

    Dear Americans,
    Since the White House press secretary is attacking me today, I wanted to tell you this:
    1. Our two people are intimately linked by History, the blood we shed and the passion for freedom we share, a passion symbolized by this Statue that was offered to the United States by France to honor your glorious Revolution.
    2. As the press secretary for this shameful Administration said: without your nation, France would have "spoken German." In my case, it goes further: I would simply not be here if hundreds of thousands of young Americans had not landed on our beaches in Normandy.
    3. Our gratitude to these heroes and their sacrifices is therefore eternal.
    4. But the America of these heroes fought against tyrants, it did not flatter them. It was the enemy of fascism, not the friend of Putin. It helped the resistance and didn't attack Zelensky.
    5. It celebrated science and didn't fire researchers for using banned words. It welcomed the persecuted and didn't target them.
    It was far, so far from what your current President does, says, and embodies.
    6. This America, faithful to the wonderful words inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, your America, is worth so much more than the betrayal of Ukraine and Europe, xenophobia, or obscurantism.
    7. We all in Europe love this nation to which we know we owe so much. It will rise again. You will rise again. We are counting on you.
    8. And it is precisely because I am petrified by Trump’s betrayal that I said yesterday in a rally that we could symbolically take back the Statue of Liberty if your government despised everything it symbolizes in your eyes, ours, and those of the world.
    It was a wake up call.
    9. No one, of course, will come and steal the Statue of Liberty.
    The statue is yours. But what it embodies belongs to everyone.
    And if the free world no longer interests your government, then we will take up the torch, here in Europe.
    10. Until we meet again in the fight for freedom and dignity, we will be the continuators of our shared history and the protectors of our treasure: more than a statue of copper and steel, the freedom it symbolizes.
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  • benjs
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    OnWis97 said:
    cblock4life said:
    All these people screaming at town halls.  Those who voted for Trump have no right saying anything.  They’re getting what they voted for.  
    They are getting what they voted for. Some of them (the ones not screaming at town halls; which I'd guess is most) love it. Others bought the absolute nonsense they hear from Twitter, OAN, Charlie Kirk, or whatever fearmongering misinformation source convinced them they were saving America.

    In any case, I don't want to absolve them of their responsibility, but aside from their first amendment right to say something (which I realize is not what you likely meant by "right") I'd argue that the more regret the better. I'm not particularly hopeful that this too shall pass, but without messages of regret and anger from his voters, the slim chance of getting out of this gets even slimmer.
    Should Democratic politicians not be showing up at these Town Halls too? It’s a congregation of people pissed at Trump. You’d think that’d be a good opportunity to introduce Republicans to Democratic leadership. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    benjs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cblock4life said:
    All these people screaming at town halls.  Those who voted for Trump have no right saying anything.  They’re getting what they voted for.  
    They are getting what they voted for. Some of them (the ones not screaming at town halls; which I'd guess is most) love it. Others bought the absolute nonsense they hear from Twitter, OAN, Charlie Kirk, or whatever fearmongering misinformation source convinced them they were saving America.

    In any case, I don't want to absolve them of their responsibility, but aside from their first amendment right to say something (which I realize is not what you likely meant by "right") I'd argue that the more regret the better. I'm not particularly hopeful that this too shall pass, but without messages of regret and anger from his voters, the slim chance of getting out of this gets even slimmer.
    Should Democratic politicians not be showing up at these Town Halls too? It’s a congregation of people pissed at Trump. You’d think that’d be a good opportunity to introduce Republicans to Democratic leadership. 
    Good question. Maybe the ones savvy enough to come out ahead by talking (so, a few).
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  • mickeyrat
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    OnWis97 said:
    benjs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    cblock4life said:
    All these people screaming at town halls.  Those who voted for Trump have no right saying anything.  They’re getting what they voted for.  
    They are getting what they voted for. Some of them (the ones not screaming at town halls; which I'd guess is most) love it. Others bought the absolute nonsense they hear from Twitter, OAN, Charlie Kirk, or whatever fearmongering misinformation source convinced them they were saving America.

    In any case, I don't want to absolve them of their responsibility, but aside from their first amendment right to say something (which I realize is not what you likely meant by "right") I'd argue that the more regret the better. I'm not particularly hopeful that this too shall pass, but without messages of regret and anger from his voters, the slim chance of getting out of this gets even slimmer.
    Should Democratic politicians not be showing up at these Town Halls too? It’s a congregation of people pissed at Trump. You’d think that’d be a good opportunity to introduce Republicans to Democratic leadership. 
    Good question. Maybe the ones savvy enough to come out ahead by talking (so, a few).

    good episode. some answers are efound here

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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    I said like two weeks ago France should de-gift the statue of liberty. lol
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  • brianlux
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I said like two weeks ago France should de-gift the statue of liberty. lol

    I've heard talk of that!
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    edited March 21
    Let this sink in. From Letter From An American. You’re being warned. Careful what you say, post, what and who you oppose/support and who you associate with.

    Devlin Barrett of the New York Times reported today that lawyers in the Trump administration believe the 1798 Alien Enemies Act Trump used to deport migrants also permits federal agents to enter people’s homes without a warrant, an assault on the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Also from Letter From An American. Elongitaint is visiting the pentagon today. Elongitaint owes a lot and depends on chiiiiiiina.

    Enjoy your March madness.

    Minnesota governor Tim Walz told Rachel Maddow tonight he was “speechless.” “I don’t know how to convey…how far out of the norm this is…. These are closely guarded secrets because our national and our global defense depends upon them…. I don’t understand where…are the Republicans? Where are Lindsay Grahams? Where are these people who know how this works? To not be terrified of where this is at…. Sharing our most guarded secrets on global conflict with a truly unstable private citizen who has no authority…. This is chilling…. Republican senators need to put a stop to this and pull this back.”

    And good luck with that last sentence. They’re all compromised. Every last, single, one of them.
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  • brianlux
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Let this sink in. From Letter From An American. You’re being warned. Careful what you say, post, whss ast you oppose/support and who you associate with.

    Devlin Barrett of the New York Times reported today that lawyers in the Trump administration believe the 1798 Alien Enemies Act Trump used to deport migrants also permits federal agents to enter people’s homes without a warrant, an assault on the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution.

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    ‘Breakdown of rule of law’: McGill professor cancels trips to U.S. amid immigration crackdown


    America has officially become an authoritarian state as far as I'm concerned. Given my views, I'm at risk of being detained and deported if I go there.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJ_Soul said:
    ‘Breakdown of rule of law’: McGill professor cancels trips to U.S. amid immigration crackdown


    America has officially become an authoritarian state as far as I'm concerned. Given my views, I'm at risk of being detained and deported if I go there.
    I’m hearing that if you fly to ‘Murikkka from a foreign airport where you pre-clear US customs, then you should use pre-clear because if they deny you entry, at least you’re not detained in ‘Murikkka and dealing with that subsequent nightmare or wasting your time in a crappy airline seat.

    If you’re travelling overseas on a US passport, be prepared for retaliatory treatment, depending. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    PJ_Soul said:
    ‘Breakdown of rule of law’: McGill professor cancels trips to U.S. amid immigration crackdown


    America has officially become an authoritarian state as far as I'm concerned. Given my views, I'm at risk of being detained and deported if I go there.
    yep. wife and I agreed we shall not cross that border while that fascist is in power. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    The UK and Germany agree with you
    UK and Germany warn travelers heading to the US

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  • brianlux
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    PJ_Soul said:
    ‘Breakdown of rule of law’: McGill professor cancels trips to U.S. amid immigration crackdown


    America has officially become an authoritarian state as far as I'm concerned. Given my views, I'm at risk of being detained and deported if I go there.

    It absolutely is.  And those who voted for that don't even have one single clue.  
    I don not blame any you, my Canadian friends, for not coming to this country.  I surely would not recommend doing that.  And I am sad to say all this.  Very sad. 
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  • cblock4life
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    OnWis97 said:
    cblock4life said:
    All these people screaming at town halls.  Those who voted for Trump have no right saying anything.  They’re getting what they voted for.  
    They are getting what they voted for. Some of them (the ones not screaming at town halls; which I'd guess is most) love it. Others bought the absolute nonsense they hear from Twitter, OAN, Charlie Kirk, or whatever fearmongering misinformation source convinced them they were saving America.

    In any case, I don't want to absolve them of their responsibility, but aside from their first amendment right to say something (which I realize is not what you likely meant by "right") I'd argue that the more regret the better. I'm not particularly hopeful that this too shall pass, but without messages of regret and anger from his voters, the slim chance of getting out of this gets even slimmer.
    You’re 100% correct.  I figured everyone knew what I meant but I didn’t even think of the discord and how them screaming could help.  

    I think it’s too late to go back.  The plan is and was in place and they’re moving so quickly on all of it and no one is one step ahead of the atrocities yet to come.  It’s difficult to imagine how diabolical these government officials have become if you’ve always held compassion and empathy as your moral standard.  
  • cblock4life
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    I was watching American History X last night.  It’s been a while since I’ve seen it.  I had to cover my eyes and ears through many parts.  I guess I didn’t quite remember how upsetting it was.  I started to wonder if this is where we are headed again.  It feels like it.  And it’s sad and extremely disturbing.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Bumpy rides all around!
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  • cblock4life
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Bumpy rides all around!
    You’re always spot on.  I appreciate you sharing what you know.  
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    cblock4life said:
    I was watching American History X last night.  It’s been a while since I’ve seen it.  I had to cover my eyes and ears through many parts.  I guess I didn’t quite remember how upsetting it was.  I started to wonder if this is where we are headed again.  It feels like it.  And it’s sad and extremely disturbing.  
    Well that never went anywhere. White nationalism in America has been alive and well since that movie was made. Certainly now they are able to grow and strengthen in a way nobody could back when American History X came out. Now they have more money, more methods to collaborate, and much more government tolerance than they did back then.


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  • mickeyrat
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    not sure where this should go?

    A behind-the-scenes effort to call a convention to amend the Constitution is focused on the national debt but could open the door to other changes — including making it legal for Trump to run for a third term.

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