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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Yup, no comparison to Nazi Germany, tactics or treatment. None. Can’t go there because, after all, they’re free to leave and it’s not like they were gassed or anything. Nothing occurred, at all, leading up to 10/7. Nothing at all.

    After Nonviolence

    The end of peaceful resistance in Palestine

    Six years had passed since I had last been to the West Bank, and ten years since I had lived there. A lot had changed in my absence. Ramallah had once felt like a small town. When I returned last November, it was, without doubt, a city. Whole neighborhoods had materialized, and the streets seemed denser, packed with more and flashier shops offering varieties of high-end Western consumer goods that would have once been unobtainable: cappuccinos and croissants, designer sunglasses, North Face jackets and Timberland boots. There was a fancy new pastry shop called Crumbs, and the joke was almost too obvious: this is what the Palestinian elite was settling for.

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    https://harpers.org/archive/2025/05/after-nonviolence-end-of-peaceful-resistance-west-bank-ben-ehrenreich/
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  • Get_Right
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Yup, no comparison to Nazi Germany, tactics or treatment. None. Can’t go there because, after all, they’re free to leave and it’s not like they were gassed or anything. Nothing occurred, at all, leading up to 10/7. Nothing at all.

    After Nonviolence

    The end of peaceful resistance in Palestine

    Six years had passed since I had last been to the West Bank, and ten years since I had lived there. A lot had changed in my absence. Ramallah had once felt like a small town. When I returned last November, it was, without doubt, a city. Whole neighborhoods had materialized, and the streets seemed denser, packed with more and flashier shops offering varieties of high-end Western consumer goods that would have once been unobtainable: cappuccinos and croissants, designer sunglasses, North Face jackets and Timberland boots. There was a fancy new pastry shop called Crumbs, and the joke was almost too obvious: this is what the Palestinian elite was settling for.

    Continues

    https://harpers.org/archive/2025/05/after-nonviolence-end-of-peaceful-resistance-west-bank-ben-ehrenreich/

    It is a well written article. Like I said, what is going on there may not be right, and it is a bad situation, but it is simply not comparable to the holocaust. The numbers pale in comparison. Thousands of deaths over decades of war and fighting does not equate with millions indiscriminately killed in a short period. It is not the same. If the Israelis were as brutal as the Nazis, the dispute would have ended long ago.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Could there be a bigger disconnect? Welp, at least it’s not gas chambers.

    Israeli airstrikes kill at least 80 as Trump says he wants to turn Gaza into a ‘freedom zone’

    Violence over last 48 hours diminishes hopes that US president’s visit to Middle East would lead to pause in hostilities

    Israel launched a new and intense wave of airstrikes and artillery shelling on targets across Gaza on Thursday morning, killing at least 80 people, as faltering talks on a new ceasefire continued in Qatar and Donald Trump said he wanted to see the US “make” the devastated territory “into a freedom zone”.

    Trump’s statement recalled the plan he put forward in February for the US to take control of Gaza to allow for its reconstruction as a luxury leisure and business hub. The scheme implied the possible permanent displacement of much or all of its population of 2.3 million and triggered global outrage.

    In Qatar, on the third day of his Middle East tour, Trump said: “I have concepts for Gaza that I think are very good: make it a freedom zone, let the United States get involved and make it just a freedom zone. I’d be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone.”

    Basem Naim, a senior Hamas official, rejected the idea, saying: “Gaza is an integral part of Palestinian land – it is not real estate for sale on the open market. We remain firmly committed to our land and our national cause, and we are prepared to make every sacrifice to preserve our homeland and secure our people’s future.”

    There had been widespread hopes that Trump’s regional visit could lead to a new pause in hostilities or a renewal of humanitarian aid to Gaza, where a tight Israeli blockade is now in its third month.

    Continues 

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  • Lerxst1992
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    Wow, a literal pro Hamas comment. It’s a war, what’s your solution? You got any examples where you tell the victims of genocide they have zero rights to their historical lands, with no visitation rights nor any say in how it’s managed?

    but don’t worry. Trump is cozying up to the pro Iran forces in the region, so maybe he is willing to help out your pals in Hamas.
  • Get_Right
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Could there be a bigger disconnect? Welp, at least it’s not gas chambers.

    Israeli airstrikes kill at least 80 as Trump says he wants to turn Gaza into a ‘freedom zone’

    Violence over last 48 hours diminishes hopes that US president’s visit to Middle East would lead to pause in hostilities

    Israel launched a new and intense wave of airstrikes and artillery shelling on targets across Gaza on Thursday morning, killing at least 80 people, as faltering talks on a new ceasefire continued in Qatar and Donald Trump said he wanted to see the US “make” the devastated territory “into a freedom zone”.

    Trump’s statement recalled the plan he put forward in February for the US to take control of Gaza to allow for its reconstruction as a luxury leisure and business hub. The scheme implied the possible permanent displacement of much or all of its population of 2.3 million and triggered global outrage.

    In Qatar, on the third day of his Middle East tour, Trump said: “I have concepts for Gaza that I think are very good: make it a freedom zone, let the United States get involved and make it just a freedom zone. I’d be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone.”

    Basem Naim, a senior Hamas official, rejected the idea, saying: “Gaza is an integral part of Palestinian land – it is not real estate for sale on the open market. We remain firmly committed to our land and our national cause, and we are prepared to make every sacrifice to preserve our homeland and secure our people’s future.”

    There had been widespread hopes that Trump’s regional visit could lead to a new pause in hostilities or a renewal of humanitarian aid to Gaza, where a tight Israeli blockade is now in its third month.

    Continues 

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    80 vs. 6,000,000+. Even 80,000. Not comparable.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Get_Right said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Could there be a bigger disconnect? Welp, at least it’s not gas chambers.

    Israeli airstrikes kill at least 80 as Trump says he wants to turn Gaza into a ‘freedom zone’

    Violence over last 48 hours diminishes hopes that US president’s visit to Middle East would lead to pause in hostilities

    Israel launched a new and intense wave of airstrikes and artillery shelling on targets across Gaza on Thursday morning, killing at least 80 people, as faltering talks on a new ceasefire continued in Qatar and Donald Trump said he wanted to see the US “make” the devastated territory “into a freedom zone”.

    Trump’s statement recalled the plan he put forward in February for the US to take control of Gaza to allow for its reconstruction as a luxury leisure and business hub. The scheme implied the possible permanent displacement of much or all of its population of 2.3 million and triggered global outrage.

    In Qatar, on the third day of his Middle East tour, Trump said: “I have concepts for Gaza that I think are very good: make it a freedom zone, let the United States get involved and make it just a freedom zone. I’d be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone.”

    Basem Naim, a senior Hamas official, rejected the idea, saying: “Gaza is an integral part of Palestinian land – it is not real estate for sale on the open market. We remain firmly committed to our land and our national cause, and we are prepared to make every sacrifice to preserve our homeland and secure our people’s future.”

    There had been widespread hopes that Trump’s regional visit could lead to a new pause in hostilities or a renewal of humanitarian aid to Gaza, where a tight Israeli blockade is now in its third month.

    Continues 

    https://apple.news/AKFQX73AMSFCOBlciiY6_UQ




    80 vs. 6,000,000+. Even 80,000. Not comparable.
    I wonder if the folks who witnessed the beginning of the holocaust said to themselves, “it’s only 80, 800, 8,000 or 52,000 and it’s nothing to be concerned with. There’s plenty around?” I get it, you can’t draw a single comparison.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    since when is genocide a contest?

    https://genocideeducation.org/resources/modern-era-genocides/

    Should the chinese say the jews didn't have enough to compare?

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  • Get_Right
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    since when is genocide a contest?

    https://genocideeducation.org/resources/modern-era-genocides/

    Should the chinese say the jews didn't have enough to compare?

    October 1, 1949 marked Mao Tse-tung’s proclamation of the People’s Republic of China. The Chinese Communist Party launched numerous movements to systematically destroy the traditional Chinese social and political system. One of Mao’s major goals was the total collectivization of the peasants. In 1958, he launched the “Great Leap Forward” campaign. This act was aimed at accomplishing economic and technical development of the country at a faster pace and with greater results. Instead, the “Great Leap Forward” destroyed the agricultural system, causing a terrible famine in which 27 million people starved to death.

    I have seen things in China that defy logic and humanity. Forced labor and military enforcement. Go one hour from a major city and it is not a friendly place.
  • Tim Simmons
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    Yeah I don’t think dick measuring tragic events is the way to go here. Bad is bad, and lets make that the threshold 
  • shecky
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    https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-biden-officials-offer-rare-praise-trumps-bold-middle-east-moves

    It doen't happen often enough, but it is very encouraging when members of one party can commend the President, that is of the other party.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Won’t click on faux. Bold? Sure. Results? Remain to be seen. Being played? Likely. Corrupt? More than likely.

    I’ll keep the cork in the champagne for now.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Tim Simmons said:
    Yeah I don’t think dick measuring tragic events is the way to go here. Bad is bad, and lets make that the threshold 
    But Israel doesn’t do anything bad. Because history.
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  • mickeyrat
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    Deadly Israeli strikes pound Gaza, Trump says 'people are starving' - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/deadly-israeli-strikes-pound-gaza-trump-says-people-are-starving-2025-05-16/
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    Israel blasts UN aid chief over call to prevent Gaza genocide, UN says 'let us do our work' - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-blasts-un-aid-chief-over-call-prevent-gaza-genocide-2025-05-16/
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    Gaza ceasefire talks resume as Israeli assault kills hundreds in 72 hours - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-strikes-kill-least-58-palestinians-overnight-2025-05-17/
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Get_Right said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Could there be a bigger disconnect? Welp, at least it’s not gas chambers.

    Israeli airstrikes kill at least 80 as Trump says he wants to turn Gaza into a ‘freedom zone’

    Violence over last 48 hours diminishes hopes that US president’s visit to Middle East would lead to pause in hostilities

    Israel launched a new and intense wave of airstrikes and artillery shelling on targets across Gaza on Thursday morning, killing at least 80 people, as faltering talks on a new ceasefire continued in Qatar and Donald Trump said he wanted to see the US “make” the devastated territory “into a freedom zone”.

    Trump’s statement recalled the plan he put forward in February for the US to take control of Gaza to allow for its reconstruction as a luxury leisure and business hub. The scheme implied the possible permanent displacement of much or all of its population of 2.3 million and triggered global outrage.

    In Qatar, on the third day of his Middle East tour, Trump said: “I have concepts for Gaza that I think are very good: make it a freedom zone, let the United States get involved and make it just a freedom zone. I’d be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone.”

    Basem Naim, a senior Hamas official, rejected the idea, saying: “Gaza is an integral part of Palestinian land – it is not real estate for sale on the open market. We remain firmly committed to our land and our national cause, and we are prepared to make every sacrifice to preserve our homeland and secure our people’s future.”

    There had been widespread hopes that Trump’s regional visit could lead to a new pause in hostilities or a renewal of humanitarian aid to Gaza, where a tight Israeli blockade is now in its third month.

    Continues 

    https://apple.news/AKFQX73AMSFCOBlciiY6_UQ




    80 vs. 6,000,000+. Even 80,000. Not comparable.
    I wonder if the folks who witnessed the beginning of the holocaust said to themselves, “it’s only 80, 800, 8,000 or 52,000 and it’s nothing to be concerned with. There’s plenty around?” I get it, you can’t draw a single comparison.

    Yes that is a correct point but the bigger point is this is a war and both sides are wrong.

    If you wanted to discuss genocide, accounting for World War II is only a tiny fraction of the crimes against the Jewish people.

    As I say often on this forum, there'd be 150 million Jews living in that region right now had there never been victims of genocide and this entire conversation would be moot because there would be no such thing as Palestine.

     that world doesn't exist but we do see every day the results of genocide when we look at the Middle East every single time we look and see one of the oldest cultures this planet has known reduced to a tiny population
  • mickeyrat
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    BREAKING: The Trump administration is working on a plan to permanently relocate up to 1 million Palestinians from the Gaza Strip to Libya, five people with knowledge of the effort told NBC News.

    In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the admin. would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, some of the sources say.

    The plan is has been discussed with Libya’s leadership and no final agreement has been reached.
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    mickeyrat said:

    BREAKING: The Trump administration is working on a plan to permanently relocate up to 1 million Palestinians from the Gaza Strip to Libya, five people with knowledge of the effort told NBC News.

    In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the admin. would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, some of the sources say.

    The plan is has been discussed with Libya’s leadership and no final agreement has been reached.
    I wonder if any Palestinians were brought in on this discussion?
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    Are the claims of white Afrikaners genocide legitimate? In the context of the holocaust and the denials of what is happening to the Palestinians? Where the fuck is the condemnation of the claim. Oh yea, right.
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Are the claims of white Afrikaners genocide legitimate? In the context of the holocaust and the denials of what is happening to the Palestinians? Where the fuck is the condemnation of the claim. Oh yea, right.
    Well many people are saying it so it must be true 
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