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Halifax2TheMax said:
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”Tim Simmons said:https://www.vox.com/world-politics/412513/israel-gaza-offensive-gideons-chariots-trumpEarlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
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Halifax2TheMax said:
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”Tim Simmons said:https://www.vox.com/world-politics/412513/israel-gaza-offensive-gideons-chariots-trumpEarlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.0 -
To go where? To the United States of Fascism? So, systemic gassing and incineration is a greater moral outrage, and thus “ethnic cleansing” , while pancaking buildings with bombs and cutting off aid and starving people to death is collateral war damage and gets a pass? No crime against humanity, eh? Not genocide or “ethnic cleansing” either?Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”Tim Simmons said:https://www.vox.com/world-politics/412513/israel-gaza-offensive-gideons-chariots-trumpEarlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
From wikiwikiwiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[1][2][3][4][5] Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilationor mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group.[6][7][8]
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Halifax2TheMax said:
To go where? To the United States of Fascism? So, systemic gassing and incineration is a greater moral outrage, and thus “ethnic cleansing” , while pancaking buildings with bombs and cutting off aid and starving people to death is collateral war damage and gets a pass? No crime against humanity, eh? Not genocide or “ethnic cleansing” either?Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”Tim Simmons said:https://www.vox.com/world-politics/412513/israel-gaza-offensive-gideons-chariots-trumpEarlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
From wikiwikiwiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[1][2][3][4][5] Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilationor mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group.[6][7][8]
I must be dark woke, never mind woke.
Not saying it is right or that what is happening does not meet the definition (which is up for debate). But is not comparable. Residents of Gaza have an option to leave. Even if their choices are limited and less desirable. They can survive. They are not imprisoned and they are not being directly murdered. Jews in WWII did not have that option and were indiscriminately imprisoned and murdered. That is not what is happening in Gaza.0 -
Again, where do they go? The West Bank? If people in Gaza are free to leave, where are they free to go to?Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
To go where? To the United States of Fascism? So, systemic gassing and incineration is a greater moral outrage, and thus “ethnic cleansing” , while pancaking buildings with bombs and cutting off aid and starving people to death is collateral war damage and gets a pass? No crime against humanity, eh? Not genocide or “ethnic cleansing” either?Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”Tim Simmons said:https://www.vox.com/world-politics/412513/israel-gaza-offensive-gideons-chariots-trumpEarlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
From wikiwikiwiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[1][2][3][4][5] Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilationor mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group.[6][7][8]
I must be dark woke, never mind woke.
Not saying it is right or that what is happening does not meet the definition (which is up for debate). But is not comparable. Residents of Gaza have an option to leave. Even if their choices are limited and less desirable. They can survive. They are not imprisoned and they are not being directly murdered. Jews in WWII did not have that option and were indiscriminately imprisoned and murdered. That is not what is happening in Gaza.
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Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, where do they go? The West Bank? If people in Gaza are free to leave, where are they free to go to?Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
To go where? To the United States of Fascism? So, systemic gassing and incineration is a greater moral outrage, and thus “ethnic cleansing” , while pancaking buildings with bombs and cutting off aid and starving people to death is collateral war damage and gets a pass? No crime against humanity, eh? Not genocide or “ethnic cleansing” either?Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”Tim Simmons said:https://www.vox.com/world-politics/412513/israel-gaza-offensive-gideons-chariots-trumpEarlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
From wikiwikiwiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[1][2][3][4][5] Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilationor mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group.[6][7][8]
I must be dark woke, never mind woke.
Not saying it is right or that what is happening does not meet the definition (which is up for debate). But is not comparable. Residents of Gaza have an option to leave. Even if their choices are limited and less desirable. They can survive. They are not imprisoned and they are not being directly murdered. Jews in WWII did not have that option and were indiscriminately imprisoned and murdered. That is not what is happening in Gaza.
I can’t believe we’re having this discussion in the 21st century. “Never again” my ass.
Never again refers to mass murder. That is not happening in Gaza. No matter how badly you want to equate the two events.0 -
50,000+. Mass murder is occurring in Gaza no matter how badly you want to deny it. Just because it isn’t a bullet to the head or a slow agonizing being worked to death or gassed in a gas chamber level of efficiency doesn’t negate the crime. It’s the act, not the method.Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, where do they go? The West Bank? If people in Gaza are free to leave, where are they free to go to?Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
To go where? To the United States of Fascism? So, systemic gassing and incineration is a greater moral outrage, and thus “ethnic cleansing” , while pancaking buildings with bombs and cutting off aid and starving people to death is collateral war damage and gets a pass? No crime against humanity, eh? Not genocide or “ethnic cleansing” either?Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”Tim Simmons said:https://www.vox.com/world-politics/412513/israel-gaza-offensive-gideons-chariots-trumpEarlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
From wikiwikiwiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[1][2][3][4][5] Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilationor mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group.[6][7][8]
I must be dark woke, never mind woke.
Not saying it is right or that what is happening does not meet the definition (which is up for debate). But is not comparable. Residents of Gaza have an option to leave. Even if their choices are limited and less desirable. They can survive. They are not imprisoned and they are not being directly murdered. Jews in WWII did not have that option and were indiscriminately imprisoned and murdered. That is not what is happening in Gaza.
I can’t believe we’re having this discussion in the 21st century. “Never again” my ass.
Never again refers to mass murder. That is not happening in Gaza. No matter how badly you want to equate the two events.
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Are we really saying it’s the Gazans fault that they are dying and if they just leave all will be ok?0
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Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, where do they go? The West Bank? If people in Gaza are free to leave, where are they free to go to?Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
To go where? To the United States of Fascism? So, systemic gassing and incineration is a greater moral outrage, and thus “ethnic cleansing” , while pancaking buildings with bombs and cutting off aid and starving people to death is collateral war damage and gets a pass? No crime against humanity, eh? Not genocide or “ethnic cleansing” either?Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.Get_Right said:Halifax2TheMax said:
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”Tim Simmons said:https://www.vox.com/world-politics/412513/israel-gaza-offensive-gideons-chariots-trumpEarlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
From wikiwikiwiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[1][2][3][4][5] Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilationor mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group.[6][7][8]
I must be dark woke, never mind woke.
Not saying it is right or that what is happening does not meet the definition (which is up for debate). But is not comparable. Residents of Gaza have an option to leave. Even if their choices are limited and less desirable. They can survive. They are not imprisoned and they are not being directly murdered. Jews in WWII did not have that option and were indiscriminately imprisoned and murdered. That is not what is happening in Gaza.
I can’t believe we’re having this discussion in the 21st century. “Never again” my ass.
Never again refers to mass murder. That is not happening in Gaza.
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I am not here to battle or debate an unwinnable situation with two extreme views. I just find the comparison to the Nazis and the holocaust to be way off. And Tim, you are not wrong, I do think that you have little to fear from the cops if you have done nothing wrong.0
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