They must reeeeeeeally not like Dave A to keep him out of Hall of Fame. Him playing on VS and Vitalogy alone should have qualified him.
not their call. the hall decides who gets in, not the bands.
Grateful Dead refused induction unless every member ever in the band was included. Hall caved. It could have been done if the desire to do it was there.
Am I the only one who doesn’t feel the need to see Dave play with the band ever again?
Another nope. The guy shits on Ed and the other drummers, and the band's music, and people actually think they should invite the guy to play with them.
Agreed, and not only that, but he was clearly just on a completely different page than the rest of the band. You can even see it in every single photo and video of them. Dave NEVER had the same vibe or mood or anything as the other 4, and to me that is a visual reminder of how he just didn't fit properly, and I have to imagine that is ultimately why he got booted.
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Am I the only one who doesn’t feel the need to see Dave play with the band ever again?
Another nope. The guy shits on Ed and the other drummers, and the band's music, and people actually think they should invite the guy to play with them.
Agreed, and not only that, but he was clearly just on a completely different page than the rest of the band. You can even see it in every single photo and video of them. Dave NEVER had the same vibe or mood or anything as the other 4, and to me that is a visual reminder of how he just didn't fit properly, and I have to imagine that is ultimately why he got booted.
what must be frustrating for him to watch, now, though, is how they have all completely turned around to where he was in 1993. pop hooks, videos, big chain marketing, magazine articles/interviews.
They must reeeeeeeally not like Dave A to keep him out of Hall of Fame. Him playing on VS and Vitalogy alone should have qualified him.
not their call. the hall decides who gets in, not the bands.
Grateful Dead refused induction unless every member ever in the band was included. Hall caved. It could have been done if the desire to do it was there.
interesting. didn't know that. I wonder if other bands tried to strong arm the hall and lost.
Am I the only one who doesn’t feel the need to see Dave play with the band ever again?
Another nope. The guy shits on Ed and the other drummers, and the band's music, and people actually think they should invite the guy to play with them.
Agreed, and not only that, but he was clearly just on a completely different page than the rest of the band. You can even see it in every single photo and video of them. Dave NEVER had the same vibe or mood or anything as the other 4, and to me that is a visual reminder of how he just didn't fit properly, and I have to imagine that is ultimately why he got booted.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Am I the only one who doesn’t feel the need to see Dave play with the band ever again?
Another nope. The guy shits on Ed and the other drummers, and the band's music, and people actually think they should invite the guy to play with them.
Agreed, and not only that, but he was clearly just on a completely different page than the rest of the band. You can even see it in every single photo and video of them. Dave NEVER had the same vibe or mood or anything as the other 4, and to me that is a visual reminder of how he just didn't fit properly, and I have to imagine that is ultimately why he got booted.
what must be frustrating for him to watch, now, though, is how they have all completely turned around to where he was in 1993. pop hooks, videos, big chain marketing, magazine articles/interviews.
They're still pretty sparing in their marketing and communication. Nobody has a podcast or a TV gig. They rarely say anything particularly revealing about Pearl Jam's music; a lot of the talking they do is about their side projects. The stage show remains sparse. It's not like they weren't writing hooks in the early '90s-- their most popular songs are from that period, and it's because they had hooks. If they're writing pop hooks now-- and what was the last one, "The Fixer"?-- they're not working. They haven't hit the top 40 since 1999, and that song was a pretty weird outlier. What's the big-chain marketing? Using Target for Backspacer? That was fourteen years ago. Now they're Record Store Day ambassadors.
I think the one thing that probably does drive Dave crazy is to see how Ed's personality has changed. Supposedly, one of the things that they clashed over was that Dave wanted the fame and the trappings and Ed wanted nothing to do with it. Now Ed embraces his fame and its trappings and makes a show of all his famous friends. I would bet that irks Dave.
Love Matt and what he means to the band but Dave makes the drumming stand out. I was at both Austin shows with a friend that had never seen the band. He really enjoyed the shows and said he spent most of the time watching Eddie or Mike since they were the most memorable. He said he rarely focused on the drumming…not because Matt didn’t play well but they didn’t stand out at all. I think Matt purposely plays lighter (non flashy) with PJ to let the other members shine and that is his agreed upon role within the band. Sometimes you just want the drummer to rock the fuc$ out though and match the intensity of the frontman and lead guitarist.
Love Matt and what he means to the band but Dave makes the drumming stand out. I was at both Austin shows with a friend that had never seen the band. He really enjoyed the shows and said he spent most of the time watching Eddie or Mike since they were the most memorable. He said he rarely focused on the drumming…not because Matt didn’t play well but they didn’t stand out at all. I think Matt purposely plays lighter (non flashy) with PJ to let the other members shine and that is his agreed upon role within the band. Sometimes you just want the drummer to rock the fuc$ out though and match the intensity of the frontman and lead guitarist.
Agreed.. MC of Soundgarden is in my fav top 5 drummers of all time.. MC in Pearl Jam is not. Great drummer but his style with PJ is just way way different. I say this as a drummer myself of 30 years. I aslo think the fact that he had to fast learn their entire catalog to do that first tour kinda hurt him some. He was put in a position to play just enough to get it.. and more than likely never went back to actually pick up some of the nuances of the early stuff of the ten, vs, vitalogy, yield, etc..
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"And the young, they can lose hope 'Cause they can't see beyond today The wisdom that the old can't give away, hey Constant recoil Sometimes life don't leave you alone."
Love Matt and what he means to the band but Dave makes the drumming stand out. I was at both Austin shows with a friend that had never seen the band. He really enjoyed the shows and said he spent most of the time watching Eddie or Mike since they were the most memorable. He said he rarely focused on the drumming…not because Matt didn’t play well but they didn’t stand out at all. I think Matt purposely plays lighter (non flashy) with PJ to let the other members shine and that is his agreed upon role within the band. Sometimes you just want the drummer to rock the fuc$ out though and match the intensity of the frontman and lead guitarist.
which is why Dave was not a good fit. Can you imagine him playing on anything lighter? Wishlist? Who you are? No Way. Dave sought too much attention. He doesn't complement anything...he's just Dave splashing and grooving. He can rock out...just by himself.
Love Matt and what he means to the band but Dave makes the drumming stand out. I was at both Austin shows with a friend that had never seen the band. He really enjoyed the shows and said he spent most of the time watching Eddie or Mike since they were the most memorable. He said he rarely focused on the drumming…not because Matt didn’t play well but they didn’t stand out at all. I think Matt purposely plays lighter (non flashy) with PJ to let the other members shine and that is his agreed upon role within the band. Sometimes you just want the drummer to rock the fuc$ out though and match the intensity of the frontman and lead guitarist.
which is why Dave was not a good fit. Can you imagine him playing on anything lighter? Wishlist? Who you are? No Way. Dave sought too much attention. He doesn't complement anything...he's just Dave splashing and grooving. He can rock out...just by himself.
Can you imagine the dude who did the KISS-lifted solo on Alive playing on anything lighter? Wishlist? Who you are? No way. Mike sought out too much attention.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Love Matt and what he means to the band but Dave makes the drumming stand out. I was at both Austin shows with a friend that had never seen the band. He really enjoyed the shows and said he spent most of the time watching Eddie or Mike since they were the most memorable. He said he rarely focused on the drumming…not because Matt didn’t play well but they didn’t stand out at all. I think Matt purposely plays lighter (non flashy) with PJ to let the other members shine and that is his agreed upon role within the band. Sometimes you just want the drummer to rock the fuc$ out though and match the intensity of the frontman and lead guitarist.
which is why Dave was not a good fit. Can you imagine him playing on anything lighter? Wishlist? Who you are? No Way. Dave sought too much attention. He doesn't complement anything...he's just Dave splashing and grooving. He can rock out...just by himself.
Can you imagine the dude who did the KISS-lifted solo on Alive playing on anything lighter? Wishlist? Who you are? No way. Mike sought out too much attention.
That was actually awesome. halfway through I'm thinking "ugh I hate covers that are exactly the same as the original" then BAM they Soundgardened it up! awesome!
Love Matt and what he means to the band but Dave makes the drumming stand out. I was at both Austin shows with a friend that had never seen the band. He really enjoyed the shows and said he spent most of the time watching Eddie or Mike since they were the most memorable. He said he rarely focused on the drumming…not because Matt didn’t play well but they didn’t stand out at all. I think Matt purposely plays lighter (non flashy) with PJ to let the other members shine and that is his agreed upon role within the band. Sometimes you just want the drummer to rock the fuc$ out though and match the intensity of the frontman and lead guitarist.
which is why Dave was not a good fit. Can you imagine him playing on anything lighter? Wishlist? Who you are? No Way. Dave sought too much attention. He doesn't complement anything...he's just Dave splashing and grooving. He can rock out...just by himself.
Can you imagine the dude who did the KISS-lifted solo on Alive playing on anything lighter? Wishlist? Who you are? No way. Mike sought out too much attention.
yeah...and we like Mike.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Love Matt and what he means to the band but Dave makes the drumming stand out. I was at both Austin shows with a friend that had never seen the band. He really enjoyed the shows and said he spent most of the time watching Eddie or Mike since they were the most memorable. He said he rarely focused on the drumming…not because Matt didn’t play well but they didn’t stand out at all. I think Matt purposely plays lighter (non flashy) with PJ to let the other members shine and that is his agreed upon role within the band. Sometimes you just want the drummer to rock the fuc$ out though and match the intensity of the frontman and lead guitarist.
which is why Dave was not a good fit. Can you imagine him playing on anything lighter? Wishlist? Who you are? No Way. Dave sought too much attention. He doesn't complement anything...he's just Dave splashing and grooving. He can rock out...just by himself.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious..
"And the young, they can lose hope 'Cause they can't see beyond today The wisdom that the old can't give away, hey Constant recoil Sometimes life don't leave you alone."
Maybe Dave shouldn’t have ran to tattle on the boys so someone could write a book. MFC is the best drummer pj has ever had. He is great live and blows DA out of the water. Case closed
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I think the one thing that probably does drive Dave crazy is to see how Ed's personality has changed. Supposedly, one of the things that they clashed over was that Dave wanted the fame and the trappings and Ed wanted nothing to do with it. Now Ed embraces his fame and its trappings and makes a show of all his famous friends. I would bet that irks Dave.
dave a playing Alone
Ah KoKo. Lol
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'Cause they can't see beyond today
The wisdom that the old can't give away, hey
Constant recoil
Sometimes life don't leave you alone."
'Cause they can't see beyond today
The wisdom that the old can't give away, hey
Constant recoil
Sometimes life don't leave you alone."
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'Cause they can't see beyond today
The wisdom that the old can't give away, hey
Constant recoil
Sometimes life don't leave you alone."