The Fan Exchange scam

hihobibo

Zod said:

In regards to fan2fan, I really don't like how it's made fan club tickets disposable.   It's made it so easy for fans to buy tickets, see they aren't good, then try to dump them again, but it pushes everyones tickets further back that actually do use their tickets.  It also allows non 10c'ers access to 10c tickets.  Like your almost better off not using 10c, and sniping fan2fan tickets or unsold platinum tickets (if you can gamble with the travel aspect of it).

Agree. Literally right after they drew tickets (for the 2nd time) people were looking to drop their tickets.

I liked picking them up at will call with ID and getting a surprise about where the seats were. 

Zod

hihobibo said:

Zod said:

In regards to fan2fan, I really don't like how it's made fan club tickets disposable.   It's made it so easy for fans to buy tickets, see they aren't good, then try to dump them again, but it pushes everyones tickets further back that actually do use their tickets.  It also allows non 10c'ers access to 10c tickets.  Like your almost better off not using 10c, and sniping fan2fan tickets or unsold platinum tickets (if you can gamble with the travel aspect of it).

Agree. Literally right after they drew tickets (for the 2nd time) people were looking to drop their tickets.

I liked picking them up at will call with ID and getting a surprise about where the seats were. 

I like the aspect of knowing the location, because sometimes the tickets were in worse location than I was expecting.  Like last tour I was row 12.  I must of gained some seniority, oh damn this time I'm row 22.  Be a little bummed about location when going to the show, instead of it being water under the bridge when you go.

I guess the disposable ticket thing was much less back then, because you had a short window to get the tickets then dispose of the tickets.  

I'd almost rather that do what the did in 2018, and tickets weren't transferrable or sellable.  I've gone to hundreds of concerts in my life and I think I've missed 2... probably a small price to pay, cause it's kind of a mess now.

JZ280705

BF25394 said:

JZ280705 said:

 I live in NC and they cancelled a show here 7 years ago because the state wouldn’t allow transgender women to use girls bathrooms.  

Fixed this for you.

Like “her”?

https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/university-of-wyoming-sorority-sisters-say-they-live-in-fear-of-trans-member/amp/

mcgruff10

@Weston1283 where did you see tickets for $20 and $30?  On ticketmaster?

mcgruff10

Every show drops tickets, you just have to be patient.  It sucks but it is what it is.  I for one would never pay a premium price to see any band.  

CM189191

Zod said:

I do wonder.  How much extra revenue do they get from the platinum tickets.  It's pretty clear they aren't selling all of them at above face.   How much could it could possibly add to the regular ticket prices, if they took that amount of money, divided it by 16,000, and added it to all the other tickets?

I think I'd rather pay $20 more per ticket, then deal with platinum thing.


I suppose at a minimum we should start a "Petition to allow fan2fan to sell tickets below face value" thread.   Not sure if TM/Pearl Jam would do it, as it could result in them holding the bag on unsold tickets.

In regards to fan2fan, I really don't like how it's made fan club tickets disposable.   It's made it so easy for fans to buy tickets, see they aren't good, then try to dump them again, but it pushes everyones tickets further back that actually do use their tickets.  It also allows non 10c'ers access to 10c tickets.  Like your almost better off not using 10c, and sniping fan2fan tickets or unsold platinum tickets (if you can gamble with the travel aspect of it).

Since 10C seats keep getting pushed further back, more transparency would be nice.

Claim that Premium tickets subsidize 10C tickets?  ok, prove it!  Show me the money!

dmbolp

mcgruff10 said:

@Weston1283 where did you see tickets for $20 and $30?  On ticketmaster?

Think he was speculating what the price would get down to IF you could lower F2F price:

"Even if you could lower the price…. Tickets for tonight would be going for 20-30 bucks in the 300 levels, and they MIGHT sell at that

This is 2023.  Tickets are down, merch is down, posters are down.  

BF25394

JZ280705 said:

BF25394 said:

JZ280705 said:

 I live in NC and they cancelled a show here 7 years ago because the state wouldn’t allow transgender women to use girls bathrooms.  

Fixed this for you.

Like “her”?

https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/university-of-wyoming-sorority-sisters-say-they-live-in-fear-of-trans-member/amp/

The allegations in that lawsuit do not have any bearing on the reality that the overwhelming majority of transgender women are just trying to live their lives without being subject to discrimination and abuse, including the abuse they might suffer if, despite appearing to all the world as a woman, they are forced to use men's bathrooms. Statements like the one in your original post ignore this reality. You can't write transgender people out of existence by facilely stating that the issue was about "men using girls [sic] bathrooms."

If a person of any gender goes into a women's bathroom and engages in inappropriate behavior, there are already laws to deal with that. In the meantime, transgender women use women's bathrooms every day and hardly anyone even notices. Criminalizing those women in the hopes of preventing theoretical harms by people whose behavior would already be illegal makes no sense.

JZ280705

dmbolp said:

mcgruff10 said: This is 2023.  Tickets are down, merch is down, posters are down.  

Don’t understand this comment.  This is a record year for ticket prices.  They are least twice what they were pre COVID.  Live Nation/Ticketmaster is making tons of money with their monopoly/price manipulation tactics.

JZ280705

BF25394 said:

JZ280705 said:

BF25394 said:

JZ280705 said:

 I live in NC and they cancelled a show here 7 years ago because the state wouldn’t allow transgender women to use girls bathrooms.  

Fixed this for you.

Like “her”?

https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/university-of-wyoming-sorority-sisters-say-they-live-in-fear-of-trans-member/amp/

The allegations in that lawsuit do not have any bearing on the reality that the overwhelming majority of transgender women are just trying to live their lives without being subject to discrimination and abuse, including the abuse they might suffer if, despite appearing to all the world as a woman, they are forced to use men's bathrooms. Statements like the one in your original post ignore this reality. You can't write transgender people out of existence by facilely stating that the issue was about "men using girls [sic] bathrooms."

If a person of any gender goes into a women's bathroom and engages in inappropriate behavior, there are already laws to deal with that. In the meantime, transgender women use women's bathrooms every day and hardly anyone even notices. Criminalizing those women in the hopes of preventing theoretical harms by people whose behavior would already be illegal makes no sense.

Whatever the case, it’s an absolutely ridiculous thing to cancel a concert over.  It doesn’t do anything but disappoint fans.  It accomplishes nothing.  It’s like climate protesters pissing off people by blocking traffic.

mattcoz

JZ280705 said:

BF25394 said:

JZ280705 said:

 I live in NC and they cancelled a show here 7 years ago because the state wouldn’t allow transgender women to use girls bathrooms.  

Fixed this for you.

Like “her”?

https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/university-of-wyoming-sorority-sisters-say-they-live-in-fear-of-trans-member/amp/

No. What is happening there is a person who should be kicked out because of their behavior, not because of their gender. A biological woman who exhibits the same behavior should be kicked out too.

mattcoz

JZ280705 said:

BF25394 said:

JZ280705 said:

BF25394 said:

JZ280705 said:

 I live in NC and they cancelled a show here 7 years ago because the state wouldn’t allow transgender women to use girls bathrooms.  

Fixed this for you.

Like “her”?

https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/university-of-wyoming-sorority-sisters-say-they-live-in-fear-of-trans-member/amp/

The allegations in that lawsuit do not have any bearing on the reality that the overwhelming majority of transgender women are just trying to live their lives without being subject to discrimination and abuse, including the abuse they might suffer if, despite appearing to all the world as a woman, they are forced to use men's bathrooms. Statements like the one in your original post ignore this reality. You can't write transgender people out of existence by facilely stating that the issue was about "men using girls [sic] bathrooms."

If a person of any gender goes into a women's bathroom and engages in inappropriate behavior, there are already laws to deal with that. In the meantime, transgender women use women's bathrooms every day and hardly anyone even notices. Criminalizing those women in the hopes of preventing theoretical harms by people whose behavior would already be illegal makes no sense.

Whatever the case, it’s an absolutely ridiculous thing to cancel a concert over.  It doesn’t do anything but disappoint fans.  It accomplishes nothing.  It’s like climate protesters pissing off people by blocking traffic.

That I will agree with, it did nothing to change anything. Use your stage as a platform to speak out about it, don't take the show away from your fans.

goblues82

Zod said:

This is how platinum tickets work.  When we were all younger the goal was for bands/promoters to blow out all their tickets immediately.  No one wanted to be left holding the bag if a concert didn't sell out.   As tickets were sold for less than market value, it crate the ripe environment for scalpers to exist and make money flipping the tickets.

It's different now as the goal switched from selling all the tickets right away, to maximizing the revenue.  Platinum tickets work by withholding a bunch of tickets, and try to use demand based pricing.  Trickle them out leading up to the show to get the maximum you can for the tickets.

The thing is if they don't sell enough of them, they're left holding a bunch of unsold tickets as the show approaches, so they blow them all out at face value or less.

There's some shows that are in such demand there isn't much left as the show approaches, but some shows the demand is less and there's a bunch.

I find this new system challenging because I have to travel to shows.  So waiting until the last few days to buy tickets is really a hard thing to do :(

but yah.. I guess the moral of the story is don't buy platinum tickets, and only buy 10c tickets you intend to use?

There’s a difference in intending to use the tickets and then not being able to compete with Ticketmaster because they can lower their price whenever they want. 

I know people who missed the show last night with lower level tickets that ended up eating them because their flights were cancelled because of the hurricane and then Ticketmaster suddenly finds rows of prime seats last minute…. 

mace1229

I think the whole nontransferable ticket thing is dumb. I'd be okay with laws that prevent from selling tickets above face value, but I should be able to transfer them if I want. Which would allow you to sell them below face and not eat the entire cost if you can't go last minute. 

josevolution

So are there a lot of folks who get stuck with tickets they couldn’t sell/transfer? I had to sell my Chicago II tickets but the seats make it easy for me to get rid of

Weston1283

dmbolp said:

mcgruff10 said:

@Weston1283 where did you see tickets for $20 and $30?  On ticketmaster?

Think he was speculating what the price would get down to IF you could lower F2F price:

"Even if you could lower the price…. Tickets for tonight would be going for 20-30 bucks in the 300 levels, and they MIGHT sell at that

This is 2023.  Tickets are down, merch is down, posters are down.  

Yes this is what I meant.  Since these shows were announced, it was easy to see that MSP would have the lowest demand.  We saw this with multiple shows last year (Fresno, SAC, etc...) where people were unable to dump or even give away tickets

It all comes down to demand for individual shows.  I don't see anyone complaining about Fan2Fan for Indy or the Texas shows (but DFW shows are starting to have increased supply) - If you cant make it 100% - list them now!!  And if you have to cancel within 12-48 hours, those tickets probably wouldn't be worth much anyway due to last minute supply saturation.

Weston1283

JZ280705 said:

dmbolp said:

mcgruff10 said: This is 2023.  Tickets are down, merch is down, posters are down.  

Don’t understand this comment.  This is a record year for ticket prices.  They are least twice what they were pre COVID.  Live Nation/Ticketmaster is making tons of money with their monopoly/price manipulation tactics.

For acts like Taylor Swift yes, it is a record year.  Pearl Jam is not in that tier anymore.  An aging band playing less shows with less songs and less variety.... I think it is going to get easier and easier to get PJ tickets as time passes, not harder.

JimmyV

Weston1283 said:

JZ280705 said:

dmbolp said:

mcgruff10 said: This is 2023.  Tickets are down, merch is down, posters are down.  

Don’t understand this comment.  This is a record year for ticket prices.  They are least twice what they were pre COVID.  Live Nation/Ticketmaster is making tons of money with their monopoly/price manipulation tactics.

For acts like Taylor Swift yes, it is a record year.  Pearl Jam is not in that tier anymore.  An aging band playing less shows with less songs and less variety.... I think it is going to get easier and easier to get PJ tickets as time passes, not harder.

It comes down to where they play, too. I'm not convinced a Boston - Hartford - MSG - Philly run would see easy to get tickets. 

BF25394

Weston1283 said:

JZ280705 said:

dmbolp said:

mcgruff10 said: This is 2023.  Tickets are down, merch is down, posters are down.  

Don’t understand this comment.  This is a record year for ticket prices.  They are least twice what they were pre COVID.  Live Nation/Ticketmaster is making tons of money with their monopoly/price manipulation tactics.

For acts like Taylor Swift yes, it is a record year.  Pearl Jam is not in that tier anymore.  An aging band playing less shows with less songs and less variety.... I think it is going to get easier and easier to get PJ tickets as time passes, not harder.

It doesn't have anything to do with them playing fewer songs. The average ticket buyer is not keeping track and, for many concertgoers, playing a two-hour show instead of a three-hour show is a feature, not a bug. And playing fewer shows should increase demand, not decrease it. The Rolling Stones are a geriatric band that tours only every few years and doesn't vary their sets at all, and they have no problem selling tickets. Pearl Jam is just not that popular anymore, but they're still enough of a draw to fill most U.S. arenas.

BF25394

JZ280705 said:

BF25394 said:

JZ280705 said:

BF25394 said:

JZ280705 said:

 I live in NC and they cancelled a show here 7 years ago because the state wouldn’t allow transgender women to use girls bathrooms.  

Fixed this for you.

Like “her”?

https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/university-of-wyoming-sorority-sisters-say-they-live-in-fear-of-trans-member/amp/

The allegations in that lawsuit do not have any bearing on the reality that the overwhelming majority of transgender women are just trying to live their lives without being subject to discrimination and abuse, including the abuse they might suffer if, despite appearing to all the world as a woman, they are forced to use men's bathrooms. Statements like the one in your original post ignore this reality. You can't write transgender people out of existence by facilely stating that the issue was about "men using girls [sic] bathrooms."

If a person of any gender goes into a women's bathroom and engages in inappropriate behavior, there are already laws to deal with that. In the meantime, transgender women use women's bathrooms every day and hardly anyone even notices. Criminalizing those women in the hopes of preventing theoretical harms by people whose behavior would already be illegal makes no sense.

Whatever the case, it’s an absolutely ridiculous thing to cancel a concert over.  It doesn’t do anything but disappoint fans.  It accomplishes nothing.  It’s like climate protesters pissing off people by blocking traffic.

I actually tend to agree about the usefulness of these protests, in general, but boycotts actually have changed public policy in some circumstances. In this situation, boycotts by Pearl Jam and others created political pressure that led to the bathroom bill being rescinded. The band's moral calculus would likely hold that disappointed fans do not represent as great an injustice as gender discrimination.