NYC plan for Congestion Pricing- Charging for entering the city.
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Not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but it is.elvistheking44 said:My son is moving to NYC in July. First big job out of college. This sound like a great place to visit…0 -
I think as Americans we’ve gotten used to driving being subsidized, so it’s shielded from a lot of the actual costs of a car centric culture. The shift away from that will be bumpy, but also required.0
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I thought they'd be charging everyone going into the city, but its just the cars right?
How would they do it? Like a toll booth, or an express tag linked to a credit card or something? Anything other than an automated system when you drive through sounds like it'd just cause more traffic.
They might be headed in California's direction. Tax everyone so much they want to leave, then try to tax them more for leaving.0 -
mace1229 said:I thought they'd be charging everyone going into the city, but its just the cars right?
How would they do it? Like a toll booth, or an express tag linked to a credit card or something? Anything other than an automated system when you drive through sounds like it'd just cause more traffic.
They might be headed in California's direction. Tax everyone so much they want to leave, then try to tax them more for leaving.From what I hear around here in California, the people who complain the most about taxes here- hard core right wing Republicans- are more prone to be those who are moving to places like Idaho and Montana. I'm sorry for those states, but I'm not sorry to see those people leave. Adios!Oh, and I say this someone who, along with my wife, has an income that is just a little more than half the average in California. I don't know what these people are bitching about... except that the right wing likes to bitch a lot about such things."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
The proposed rate is $9-$23. Which probably means if this actually goes through, it will fall in the middle, say about $15.That's not going to deter many people on a day/night out in NYC. I don't see this as solving a congestion issue.0
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Solving a problem? 😂😂 they’re not interested in solving problems. Just in generating more money to mismanage and waste.eddiec said:The proposed rate is $9-$23. Which probably means if this actually goes through, it will fall in the middle, say about $15.That's not going to deter many people on a day/night out in NYC. I don't see this as solving a congestion issue.0 -
It’s dynamic pricing based on time of day/day of week implemented by cameras and transponder/sensors. Don’t have a transponder? No worries, a camera takes a picture of your plate and you get a bill in the mail, or more accurately, the registered owner of the vehicle. Bloomberg wanted this so it’s nothing new. Toll roads work the same way but London, Paris and other cities have had it in place to reduce traffic in the “downtown” core during the “rush” hours and encourage use of public transit.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Venice has it as well. Not even a car toll, it's a walking toll.Halifax2TheMax said:It’s dynamic pricing based on time of day/day of week implemented by cameras and transponder/sensors. Don’t have a transponder? No worries, a camera takes a picture of your plate and you get a bill in the mail, or more accurately, the registered owner of the vehicle. Bloomberg wanted this so it’s nothing new. Toll roads work the same way but London, Paris and other cities have had it in place to reduce traffic in the “downtown” core during the “rush” hours and encourage use of public transit.
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They already have crazy tolls. Pretty sure it is $27 to drive to Manhattan for me, from NJ.
Sure, it doesn't deter me...but I'm a jackass who doesn't bother about $27. It is too high.The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
Where/how do you pay it? They didn’t have it in 2018, I don’t think? I loved Venice for that reason alone, no cars.eddiec said:
Venice has it as well. Not even a car toll, it's a walking toll.Halifax2TheMax said:It’s dynamic pricing based on time of day/day of week implemented by cameras and transponder/sensors. Don’t have a transponder? No worries, a camera takes a picture of your plate and you get a bill in the mail, or more accurately, the registered owner of the vehicle. Bloomberg wanted this so it’s nothing new. Toll roads work the same way but London, Paris and other cities have had it in place to reduce traffic in the “downtown” core during the “rush” hours and encourage use of public transit.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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The "add toll" solution is so often a misguided way to solve a problem. Look at CA 37 in the north San Francisco bay. It almost always looks like this:The solution? The want to add more lanes (a disaster for the estuaries there), and then add toll booths. Is there even talk of increased bussing or putting in light rail. Nope. Everybody wants to drive alone. Stupid.
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He’ll be living in midtown east, turtle bay neighborhood.tempo_n_groove said:
Where in the city?elvistheking44 said:My son is moving to NYC in July. First big job out of college. This sound like a great place to visit…0 -
I’m joking. I can’t wait.Go Beavers said:
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but it is.elvistheking44 said:My son is moving to NYC in July. First big job out of college. This sound like a great place to visit…0 -
It is awesome!! I love living here. I can’t imagine living anywhere else.elvistheking44 said:My son is moving to NYC in July. First big job out of college. This sound like a great place to visit…0 -
We’ll California has one of the highest taxes. And from what I heard, they are now trying to tax you for moving out of the state. I think it’s a legitimate gripe. They tax you so much you don’t want to stay, then tax you for finding a better place to live.brianlux said:mace1229 said:I thought they'd be charging everyone going into the city, but its just the cars right?
How would they do it? Like a toll booth, or an express tag linked to a credit card or something? Anything other than an automated system when you drive through sounds like it'd just cause more traffic.
They might be headed in California's direction. Tax everyone so much they want to leave, then try to tax them more for leaving.From what I hear around here in California, the people who complain the most about taxes here- hard core right wing Republicans- are more prone to be those who are moving to places like Idaho and Montana. I'm sorry for those states, but I'm not sorry to see those people leave. Adios!Oh, and I say this someone who, along with my wife, has an income that is just a little more than half the average in California. I don't know what these people are bitching about... except that the right wing likes to bitch a lot about such things.0 -
All the rolls I’ve used either charge more for the mail in bill, or only allow you to do it once or twice before there is a billing fee added. Curious if they’d be adding on $10 for everyone who doesn’t have the transponder with automatic payment.Halifax2TheMax said:It’s dynamic pricing based on time of day/day of week implemented by cameras and transponder/sensors. Don’t have a transponder? No worries, a camera takes a picture of your plate and you get a bill in the mail, or more accurately, the registered owner of the vehicle. Bloomberg wanted this so it’s nothing new. Toll roads work the same way but London, Paris and other cities have had it in place to reduce traffic in the “downtown” core during the “rush” hours and encourage use of public transit.
Granted I haven’t used very many, not enough to know if that’s the norm.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
These signs are in place for people whom aren’t familiar with coming into the city so the pricing won’t bother them.Halifax2TheMax said:
Did I say you were either of those things, for fucks sake? I’ve stood waiting to cross a street or waiting for someone and have read a multitude of parking signs for where I was in NYC and by the time you decipher the conflicts between them, you realize you get to park there for 15 minutes on a Wednesday between 10:30 and 11:00 but only if Mars is rising and the moon is waning. I admit, I’m a retarded idiot that doesn’t know how to read.tempo_n_groove said:
Well I'm not an idiot so I understand how to read signs and know where to park. It's not difficult. Working in the city for the past 13 years has netted me 2 parking tickets and both spots we were told by other meter-maids to park there and we would be fine...Halifax2TheMax said:
How do you navigate the alternate street side parking for street sweeping and the madness of the parking signs of loading zones, restricted hours, limits, free on Sundays, after X, etc.? You need a calendar to figure it out. So, how many parking tickets do you get and what do they run?tempo_n_groove said:
I usually don't pay anything. I am a drive in and drive out type or I put a vest in the window and park near the jobsite or on it.Halifax2TheMax said:
What do you pay to park in Manhattan?tempo_n_groove said:New York City. The City I love to hate keeps getting worse...
https://abc7ny.com/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-driving-business-district/13249550/
The City wants to start charging people up to $23 to enter lower Manhattan.
Why this is a dumb idea are too many reasons to list but I will give a few.
The GW bridge is already a disaster. Because it is above 60th, the proposed area to pay to enter, will be so inundated with extra traffic now to avoid the area. The Bronx and upper Manhattan will be gridlock all day long.
People don't like taking the trains anymore. Too many inconsiderate people and too many transients on the subway. Safety on subways is another concern.
We pay a toll to enter the city already. We now will have to pay a surcharge on top of that.
NYC is notorious for wasting the funds that they have. I do public works and see how top heavy management is and the lack of decision making people in charge have. The bog of red tape you need to sift through in order to get approvals is another fine point the city has going for it.
If you keep building bigger buildings and have the transit system not upgraded I am not sure what the city expects people to do. I guess more will want to work remotely?
Thoughts?
Now if I do pay for parking? Which is very rare. Usually $66 if I'm in a garage. On the street it's free or you pay a few dollars for the meters.
So, this does impact what I specifically do. No more popping into jobs or dropping tools and supplies off to my guys. It's a train in and out then and the LIRR is like every hour during off peak so I lose time in my day if I miss a train by a minute.
I am just one person that does this on occasion. There are people that do this as a commute every day and they don't have problems navigating it either.
People like myself whom do the commute rather frequently is whom it bothers.
The questions you ask are for a tourist and not a regular commuter.0 -
Austin did the same thing but it was a little too late. They messed up that town if you live in the outskirts.brianlux said:The "add toll" solution is so often a misguided way to solve a problem. Look at CA 37 in the north San Francisco bay. It almost always looks like this:The solution? The want to add more lanes (a disaster for the estuaries there), and then add toll booths. Is there even talk of increased bussing or putting in light rail. Nope. Everybody wants to drive alone. Stupid.0 -
A lot of parking signs are way over complicated. I often am triple checking to make sure I’m okay.Halifax2TheMax said:
Did I say you were either of those things, for fucks sake? I’ve stood waiting to cross a street or waiting for someone and have read a multitude of parking signs for where I was in NYC and by the time you decipher the conflicts between them, you realize you get to park there for 15 minutes on a Wednesday between 10:30 and 11:00 but only if Mars is rising and the moon is waning. I admit, I’m a retarded idiot that doesn’t know how to read.tempo_n_groove said:
Well I'm not an idiot so I understand how to read signs and know where to park. It's not difficult. Working in the city for the past 13 years has netted me 2 parking tickets and both spots we were told by other meter-maids to park there and we would be fine...Halifax2TheMax said:
How do you navigate the alternate street side parking for street sweeping and the madness of the parking signs of loading zones, restricted hours, limits, free on Sundays, after X, etc.? You need a calendar to figure it out. So, how many parking tickets do you get and what do they run?tempo_n_groove said:
I usually don't pay anything. I am a drive in and drive out type or I put a vest in the window and park near the jobsite or on it.Halifax2TheMax said:
What do you pay to park in Manhattan?tempo_n_groove said:New York City. The City I love to hate keeps getting worse...
https://abc7ny.com/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-driving-business-district/13249550/
The City wants to start charging people up to $23 to enter lower Manhattan.
Why this is a dumb idea are too many reasons to list but I will give a few.
The GW bridge is already a disaster. Because it is above 60th, the proposed area to pay to enter, will be so inundated with extra traffic now to avoid the area. The Bronx and upper Manhattan will be gridlock all day long.
People don't like taking the trains anymore. Too many inconsiderate people and too many transients on the subway. Safety on subways is another concern.
We pay a toll to enter the city already. We now will have to pay a surcharge on top of that.
NYC is notorious for wasting the funds that they have. I do public works and see how top heavy management is and the lack of decision making people in charge have. The bog of red tape you need to sift through in order to get approvals is another fine point the city has going for it.
If you keep building bigger buildings and have the transit system not upgraded I am not sure what the city expects people to do. I guess more will want to work remotely?
Thoughts?
Now if I do pay for parking? Which is very rare. Usually $66 if I'm in a garage. On the street it's free or you pay a few dollars for the meters.
So, this does impact what I specifically do. No more popping into jobs or dropping tools and supplies off to my guys. It's a train in and out then and the LIRR is like every hour during off peak so I lose time in my day if I miss a train by a minute.
I am just one person that does this on occasion. There are people that do this as a commute every day and they don't have problems navigating it either.0 -
mace1229 said:
We’ll California has one of the highest taxes. And from what I heard, they are now trying to tax you for moving out of the state. I think it’s a legitimate gripe. They tax you so much you don’t want to stay, then tax you for finding a better place to live.brianlux said:mace1229 said:I thought they'd be charging everyone going into the city, but its just the cars right?
How would they do it? Like a toll booth, or an express tag linked to a credit card or something? Anything other than an automated system when you drive through sounds like it'd just cause more traffic.
They might be headed in California's direction. Tax everyone so much they want to leave, then try to tax them more for leaving.From what I hear around here in California, the people who complain the most about taxes here- hard core right wing Republicans- are more prone to be those who are moving to places like Idaho and Montana. I'm sorry for those states, but I'm not sorry to see those people leave. Adios!Oh, and I say this someone who, along with my wife, has an income that is just a little more than half the average in California. I don't know what these people are bitching about... except that the right wing likes to bitch a lot about such things.OK, let's clarify a couple of things:they are now trying to tax you for moving out of the state"Trying" is a key word. It is being proposed, but has not been implemented. Also, this proposed “Exit Tax” is part of the California wealth tax proposal wherein new rules are established for those individuals or businesses with over $30 million in assets for a tax year.* I don't think that will affect a whole lot of people. I don't know anyone with $30 mil per year in assets.They tax you so much you don’t want to stayNo, actually, I do want to stay. Especially as more hard right wingers exit.
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