NYC plan for Congestion Pricing- Charging for entering the city.
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https://abc7ny.com/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-driving-business-district/13249550/
The City wants to start charging people up to $23 to enter lower Manhattan.
Why this is a dumb idea are too many reasons to list but I will give a few.
The GW bridge is already a disaster. Because it is above 60th, the proposed area to pay to enter, will be so inundated with extra traffic now to avoid the area. The Bronx and upper Manhattan will be gridlock all day long.
People don't like taking the trains anymore. Too many inconsiderate people and too many transients on the subway. Safety on subways is another concern.
We pay a toll to enter the city already. We now will have to pay a surcharge on top of that.
NYC is notorious for wasting the funds that they have. I do public works and see how top heavy management is and the lack of decision making people in charge have. The bog of red tape you need to sift through in order to get approvals is another fine point the city has going for it.
If you keep building bigger buildings and have the transit system not upgraded I am not sure what the city expects people to do. I guess more will want to work remotely?
Thoughts?
https://abc7ny.com/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-driving-business-district/13249550/
The City wants to start charging people up to $23 to enter lower Manhattan.
Why this is a dumb idea are too many reasons to list but I will give a few.
The GW bridge is already a disaster. Because it is above 60th, the proposed area to pay to enter, will be so inundated with extra traffic now to avoid the area. The Bronx and upper Manhattan will be gridlock all day long.
People don't like taking the trains anymore. Too many inconsiderate people and too many transients on the subway. Safety on subways is another concern.
We pay a toll to enter the city already. We now will have to pay a surcharge on top of that.
NYC is notorious for wasting the funds that they have. I do public works and see how top heavy management is and the lack of decision making people in charge have. The bog of red tape you need to sift through in order to get approvals is another fine point the city has going for it.
If you keep building bigger buildings and have the transit system not upgraded I am not sure what the city expects people to do. I guess more will want to work remotely?
Thoughts?
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NY is very bad at managing their money. I believe all politicians steal it, lol.
I'm not saying this is necessarily a good idea; I know far too little to say that.
You've expressed concerns related to the unintended consequences of people driving to other places to avoid the toll. It's also regressive; regular people with five-figure jobs probably drive in. Generally speaking, I like encouragement of carpooling and transit and to be perfectly frank, punishment for driving. So to put it more specifically, they're going to charge cars, as opposed to people.
$23 seems a bit steep. I'd prefer to see something along the lines of a standard toll charge that doesn't apply for vehicles with more than one person.
As an aside, I cannot imagine driving into Manhattan for a daily commute.
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Tolls to alleviate congestion?
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I feel the same way about my beloved home city of San Francisco. Sacramento as well. Having had to live in my vehicle for a few years, I've been semi homeless myself I appreciate the difficulties and am sympathetic about the issue, but the simple fact is that it is an issue that has not been dealt very well at all and thus has turned some of our greatest cities into dangerous and ugly places. Add to that, rampant drug issues, especially regarding fentanyl, as well as overbuilding and peoples selfish unwillingness to take mass transit, these cities are becoming inhospitable and unattractive. It will get worse until it gets better. The question is, how do we turn this around?
Now if I do pay for parking? Which is very rare. Usually $66 if I'm in a garage. On the street it's free or you pay a few dollars for the meters.
So, this does impact what I specifically do. No more popping into jobs or dropping tools and supplies off to my guys. It's a train in and out then and the LIRR is like every hour during off peak so I lose time in my day if I miss a train by a minute.
LIRR just opened up a 3rd line that goes to Grand Central. That's a big deal and what do we have to show for it?
Increased prices, fewer trains per ride and less frequent trips.
This and the pandemic soured many a person from riding the trains. The MTA wants their money so they will get it one way or the other and try and force ridership up by punishing the masses.
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I am just one person that does this on occasion. There are people that do this as a commute every day and they don't have problems navigating it either.
Shit, in Philly I am $40+, now.
Out of control.
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How would they do it? Like a toll booth, or an express tag linked to a credit card or something? Anything other than an automated system when you drive through sounds like it'd just cause more traffic.
They might be headed in California's direction. Tax everyone so much they want to leave, then try to tax them more for leaving.
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They already have crazy tolls. Pretty sure it is $27 to drive to Manhattan for me, from NJ.
Sure, it doesn't deter me...but I'm a jackass who doesn't bother about $27. It is too high.
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