NYC plan for Congestion Pricing- Charging for entering the city.
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https://abc7ny.com/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-driving-business-district/13249550/
The City wants to start charging people up to $23 to enter lower Manhattan.
Why this is a dumb idea are too many reasons to list but I will give a few.
The GW bridge is already a disaster. Because it is above 60th, the proposed area to pay to enter, will be so inundated with extra traffic now to avoid the area. The Bronx and upper Manhattan will be gridlock all day long.
People don't like taking the trains anymore. Too many inconsiderate people and too many transients on the subway. Safety on subways is another concern.
We pay a toll to enter the city already. We now will have to pay a surcharge on top of that.
NYC is notorious for wasting the funds that they have. I do public works and see how top heavy management is and the lack of decision making people in charge have. The bog of red tape you need to sift through in order to get approvals is another fine point the city has going for it.
If you keep building bigger buildings and have the transit system not upgraded I am not sure what the city expects people to do. I guess more will want to work remotely?
Thoughts?
https://abc7ny.com/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-driving-business-district/13249550/
The City wants to start charging people up to $23 to enter lower Manhattan.
Why this is a dumb idea are too many reasons to list but I will give a few.
The GW bridge is already a disaster. Because it is above 60th, the proposed area to pay to enter, will be so inundated with extra traffic now to avoid the area. The Bronx and upper Manhattan will be gridlock all day long.
People don't like taking the trains anymore. Too many inconsiderate people and too many transients on the subway. Safety on subways is another concern.
We pay a toll to enter the city already. We now will have to pay a surcharge on top of that.
NYC is notorious for wasting the funds that they have. I do public works and see how top heavy management is and the lack of decision making people in charge have. The bog of red tape you need to sift through in order to get approvals is another fine point the city has going for it.
If you keep building bigger buildings and have the transit system not upgraded I am not sure what the city expects people to do. I guess more will want to work remotely?
Thoughts?
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Can’t wait to get out of this city man. 2 years more. Max0
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Urban environments could have a real problem with the shift to work-from-home not reversing if it remains. If pricey office space is wasted due to people working from home for the future, the model will have to move to something timeshare-y, or rent will have to come down to justify the new reality. There goes a significant chunk of NYC funding if that happens.tempo_n_groove said:New York City. The City I love to hate keeps getting worse...
https://abc7ny.com/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-driving-business-district/13249550/
The City wants to start charging people up to $23 to enter lower Manhattan.
Why this is a dumb idea are too many reasons to list but I will give a few.
The GW bridge is already a disaster. Because it is above 60th, the proposed area to pay to enter, will be so inundated with extra traffic now to avoid the area. The Bronx and upper Manhattan will be gridlock all day long.
People don't like taking the trains anymore. Too many inconsiderate people and too many transients on the subway. Safety on subways is another concern.
We pay a toll to enter the city already. We now will have to pay a surcharge on top of that.
NYC is notorious for wasting the funds that they have. I do public works and see how top heavy management is and the lack of decision making people in charge have. The bog of red tape you need to sift through in order to get approvals is another fine point the city has going for it.
If you keep building bigger buildings and have the transit system not upgraded I am not sure what the city expects people to do. I guess more will want to work remotely?
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Yeah that’s absurd to have to pay 23$ to enter the city! Lucky for me im not a city person per say and I’m looking to move from NY in two years time anyway.
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Sounds like an empire in decline.0
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Yea but Texasbootlegger10 said:Sounds like an empire in decline.0 -
NY needs a cash grab and influx of money.bootlegger10 said:Sounds like an empire in decline.
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I had to pay $6 to enter Jekyl Island on the small Georgia coastline. I think it was a way to encourage carpooling (and to make six bucks per).
I'm not saying this is necessarily a good idea; I know far too little to say that.
You've expressed concerns related to the unintended consequences of people driving to other places to avoid the toll. It's also regressive; regular people with five-figure jobs probably drive in. Generally speaking, I like encouragement of carpooling and transit and to be perfectly frank, punishment for driving. So to put it more specifically, they're going to charge cars, as opposed to people.
$23 seems a bit steep. I'd prefer to see something along the lines of a standard toll charge that doesn't apply for vehicles with more than one person.
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This is your bellwether moment signaling an empire in decline?bootlegger10 said:Sounds like an empire in decline.
Tolls to alleviate congestion?0 -
Tejas is leading the way and dragging the rest of the country down with it.nicknyr15 said:
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What do you pay to park in Manhattan?tempo_n_groove said:New York City. The City I love to hate keeps getting worse...
https://abc7ny.com/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-driving-business-district/13249550/
The City wants to start charging people up to $23 to enter lower Manhattan.
Why this is a dumb idea are too many reasons to list but I will give a few.
The GW bridge is already a disaster. Because it is above 60th, the proposed area to pay to enter, will be so inundated with extra traffic now to avoid the area. The Bronx and upper Manhattan will be gridlock all day long.
People don't like taking the trains anymore. Too many inconsiderate people and too many transients on the subway. Safety on subways is another concern.
We pay a toll to enter the city already. We now will have to pay a surcharge on top of that.
NYC is notorious for wasting the funds that they have. I do public works and see how top heavy management is and the lack of decision making people in charge have. The bog of red tape you need to sift through in order to get approvals is another fine point the city has going for it.
If you keep building bigger buildings and have the transit system not upgraded I am not sure what the city expects people to do. I guess more will want to work remotely?
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Sounds like a terrible idea!I've been to NYC three times (though not recently) and simply loved it. The energy, the sites, the grandness of it all. So it is sad to hear that great city is facing new and challenging issues in these modern times.
I feel the same way about my beloved home city of San Francisco. Sacramento as well. Having had to live in my vehicle for a few years, I've been semi homeless myself I appreciate the difficulties and am sympathetic about the issue, but the simple fact is that it is an issue that has not been dealt very well at all and thus has turned some of our greatest cities into dangerous and ugly places. Add to that, rampant drug issues, especially regarding fentanyl, as well as overbuilding and peoples selfish unwillingness to take mass transit, these cities are becoming inhospitable and unattractive. It will get worse until it gets better. The question is, how do we turn this around?"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I usually don't pay anything. I am a drive in and drive out type or I put a vest in the window and park near the jobsite or on it.Halifax2TheMax said:
What do you pay to park in Manhattan?tempo_n_groove said:New York City. The City I love to hate keeps getting worse...
https://abc7ny.com/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-driving-business-district/13249550/
The City wants to start charging people up to $23 to enter lower Manhattan.
Why this is a dumb idea are too many reasons to list but I will give a few.
The GW bridge is already a disaster. Because it is above 60th, the proposed area to pay to enter, will be so inundated with extra traffic now to avoid the area. The Bronx and upper Manhattan will be gridlock all day long.
People don't like taking the trains anymore. Too many inconsiderate people and too many transients on the subway. Safety on subways is another concern.
We pay a toll to enter the city already. We now will have to pay a surcharge on top of that.
NYC is notorious for wasting the funds that they have. I do public works and see how top heavy management is and the lack of decision making people in charge have. The bog of red tape you need to sift through in order to get approvals is another fine point the city has going for it.
If you keep building bigger buildings and have the transit system not upgraded I am not sure what the city expects people to do. I guess more will want to work remotely?
Thoughts?
Now if I do pay for parking? Which is very rare. Usually $66 if I'm in a garage. On the street it's free or you pay a few dollars for the meters.
So, this does impact what I specifically do. No more popping into jobs or dropping tools and supplies off to my guys. It's a train in and out then and the LIRR is like every hour during off peak so I lose time in my day if I miss a train by a minute.0 -
NYhas good public transportation. Not great.brianlux said:Sounds like a terrible idea!I've been to NYC three times (though not recently) and simply loved it. The energy, the sites, the grandness of it all. So it is sad to hear that great city is facing new and challenging issues in these modern times.
I feel the same way about my beloved home city of San Francisco. Sacramento as well. Having had to live in my vehicle for a few years, I've been semi homeless myself I appreciate the difficulties and am sympathetic about the issue, but the simple fact is that it is an issue that has not been dealt very well at all and thus has turned some of our greatest cities into dangerous and ugly places. Add to that, rampant drug issues, especially regarding fentanyl, as well as overbuilding and peoples selfish unwillingness to take mass transit, these cities are becoming inhospitable and unattractive. It will get worse until it gets better. The question is, how do we turn this around?
LIRR just opened up a 3rd line that goes to Grand Central. That's a big deal and what do we have to show for it?
Increased prices, fewer trains per ride and less frequent trips.
This and the pandemic soured many a person from riding the trains. The MTA wants their money so they will get it one way or the other and try and force ridership up by punishing the masses.0 -
My son is moving to NYC in July. First big job out of college. This sound like a great place to visit…0
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How do you navigate the alternate street side parking for street sweeping and the madness of the parking signs of loading zones, restricted hours, limits, free on Sundays, after X, etc.? You need a calendar to figure it out. So, how many parking tickets do you get and what do they run?tempo_n_groove said:
I usually don't pay anything. I am a drive in and drive out type or I put a vest in the window and park near the jobsite or on it.Halifax2TheMax said:
What do you pay to park in Manhattan?tempo_n_groove said:New York City. The City I love to hate keeps getting worse...
https://abc7ny.com/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-driving-business-district/13249550/
The City wants to start charging people up to $23 to enter lower Manhattan.
Why this is a dumb idea are too many reasons to list but I will give a few.
The GW bridge is already a disaster. Because it is above 60th, the proposed area to pay to enter, will be so inundated with extra traffic now to avoid the area. The Bronx and upper Manhattan will be gridlock all day long.
People don't like taking the trains anymore. Too many inconsiderate people and too many transients on the subway. Safety on subways is another concern.
We pay a toll to enter the city already. We now will have to pay a surcharge on top of that.
NYC is notorious for wasting the funds that they have. I do public works and see how top heavy management is and the lack of decision making people in charge have. The bog of red tape you need to sift through in order to get approvals is another fine point the city has going for it.
If you keep building bigger buildings and have the transit system not upgraded I am not sure what the city expects people to do. I guess more will want to work remotely?
Thoughts?
Now if I do pay for parking? Which is very rare. Usually $66 if I'm in a garage. On the street it's free or you pay a few dollars for the meters.
So, this does impact what I specifically do. No more popping into jobs or dropping tools and supplies off to my guys. It's a train in and out then and the LIRR is like every hour during off peak so I lose time in my day if I miss a train by a minute.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Well I'm not an idiot so I understand how to read signs and know where to park. It's not difficult. Working in the city for the past 13 years has netted me 2 parking tickets and both spots we were told by other meter-maids to park there and we would be fine...Halifax2TheMax said:
How do you navigate the alternate street side parking for street sweeping and the madness of the parking signs of loading zones, restricted hours, limits, free on Sundays, after X, etc.? You need a calendar to figure it out. So, how many parking tickets do you get and what do they run?tempo_n_groove said:
I usually don't pay anything. I am a drive in and drive out type or I put a vest in the window and park near the jobsite or on it.Halifax2TheMax said:
What do you pay to park in Manhattan?tempo_n_groove said:New York City. The City I love to hate keeps getting worse...
https://abc7ny.com/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-driving-business-district/13249550/
The City wants to start charging people up to $23 to enter lower Manhattan.
Why this is a dumb idea are too many reasons to list but I will give a few.
The GW bridge is already a disaster. Because it is above 60th, the proposed area to pay to enter, will be so inundated with extra traffic now to avoid the area. The Bronx and upper Manhattan will be gridlock all day long.
People don't like taking the trains anymore. Too many inconsiderate people and too many transients on the subway. Safety on subways is another concern.
We pay a toll to enter the city already. We now will have to pay a surcharge on top of that.
NYC is notorious for wasting the funds that they have. I do public works and see how top heavy management is and the lack of decision making people in charge have. The bog of red tape you need to sift through in order to get approvals is another fine point the city has going for it.
If you keep building bigger buildings and have the transit system not upgraded I am not sure what the city expects people to do. I guess more will want to work remotely?
Thoughts?
Now if I do pay for parking? Which is very rare. Usually $66 if I'm in a garage. On the street it's free or you pay a few dollars for the meters.
So, this does impact what I specifically do. No more popping into jobs or dropping tools and supplies off to my guys. It's a train in and out then and the LIRR is like every hour during off peak so I lose time in my day if I miss a train by a minute.
I am just one person that does this on occasion. There are people that do this as a commute every day and they don't have problems navigating it either.0 -
Where in the city?elvistheking44 said:My son is moving to NYC in July. First big job out of college. This sound like a great place to visit…0 -
$60+, generally.Halifax2TheMax said:
What do you pay to park in Manhattan?tempo_n_groove said:New York City. The City I love to hate keeps getting worse...
https://abc7ny.com/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-driving-business-district/13249550/
The City wants to start charging people up to $23 to enter lower Manhattan.
Why this is a dumb idea are too many reasons to list but I will give a few.
The GW bridge is already a disaster. Because it is above 60th, the proposed area to pay to enter, will be so inundated with extra traffic now to avoid the area. The Bronx and upper Manhattan will be gridlock all day long.
People don't like taking the trains anymore. Too many inconsiderate people and too many transients on the subway. Safety on subways is another concern.
We pay a toll to enter the city already. We now will have to pay a surcharge on top of that.
NYC is notorious for wasting the funds that they have. I do public works and see how top heavy management is and the lack of decision making people in charge have. The bog of red tape you need to sift through in order to get approvals is another fine point the city has going for it.
If you keep building bigger buildings and have the transit system not upgraded I am not sure what the city expects people to do. I guess more will want to work remotely?
Thoughts?
Shit, in Philly I am $40+, now.
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Did I say you were either of those things, for fucks sake? I’ve stood waiting to cross a street or waiting for someone and have read a multitude of parking signs for where I was in NYC and by the time you decipher the conflicts between them, you realize you get to park there for 15 minutes on a Wednesday between 10:30 and 11:00 but only if Mars is rising and the moon is waning. I admit, I’m a retarded idiot that doesn’t know how to read.tempo_n_groove said:
Well I'm not an idiot so I understand how to read signs and know where to park. It's not difficult. Working in the city for the past 13 years has netted me 2 parking tickets and both spots we were told by other meter-maids to park there and we would be fine...Halifax2TheMax said:
How do you navigate the alternate street side parking for street sweeping and the madness of the parking signs of loading zones, restricted hours, limits, free on Sundays, after X, etc.? You need a calendar to figure it out. So, how many parking tickets do you get and what do they run?tempo_n_groove said:
I usually don't pay anything. I am a drive in and drive out type or I put a vest in the window and park near the jobsite or on it.Halifax2TheMax said:
What do you pay to park in Manhattan?tempo_n_groove said:New York City. The City I love to hate keeps getting worse...
https://abc7ny.com/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-driving-business-district/13249550/
The City wants to start charging people up to $23 to enter lower Manhattan.
Why this is a dumb idea are too many reasons to list but I will give a few.
The GW bridge is already a disaster. Because it is above 60th, the proposed area to pay to enter, will be so inundated with extra traffic now to avoid the area. The Bronx and upper Manhattan will be gridlock all day long.
People don't like taking the trains anymore. Too many inconsiderate people and too many transients on the subway. Safety on subways is another concern.
We pay a toll to enter the city already. We now will have to pay a surcharge on top of that.
NYC is notorious for wasting the funds that they have. I do public works and see how top heavy management is and the lack of decision making people in charge have. The bog of red tape you need to sift through in order to get approvals is another fine point the city has going for it.
If you keep building bigger buildings and have the transit system not upgraded I am not sure what the city expects people to do. I guess more will want to work remotely?
Thoughts?
Now if I do pay for parking? Which is very rare. Usually $66 if I'm in a garage. On the street it's free or you pay a few dollars for the meters.
So, this does impact what I specifically do. No more popping into jobs or dropping tools and supplies off to my guys. It's a train in and out then and the LIRR is like every hour during off peak so I lose time in my day if I miss a train by a minute.
I am just one person that does this on occasion. There are people that do this as a commute every day and they don't have problems navigating it either.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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