Official 2023 Ticket Lottery Results Thread

mattcoz

lahren said:

craigraether said:

I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math..  15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. 
If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 
If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ... 

Average price per Seat is $265... 

Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium. 

Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase) 

At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.

It's both, it's a lot of things. Overhead has increased since COVID, inflation has increased, and the venues/promoters are trying to recoup lost revenue from years of no concerts by raising prices and fees. The $1000 tickets have always existed, or close to them, they're just now being shown next to regular face value tickets instead of only on reseller sites.

bbiggs

Edved007 said:

Hawk123 said:

craigraether said:

I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math..  15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. 
If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 
If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ... 

Average price per Seat is $265... 

Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium. 

Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase) 

Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify. 

Part of this is the way PJ keeps the price the same regardless of seat in the arena. Excluding premium, GA cost the same as 300's behind the stage. I'd be in favor of raising prices for the good seats and keeping the crappy one's the same or lowering to offset.  I think that's what stung me the most.  Paying $160+ for a seat in the very back corner is tough to swallow, but $160+ for a GA ticket is a smoking deal. I know it's luck of the draw for GA or not, and obviously the seating by seniority, but the prices could still reflect the seats. Enter for all you are comfortable with knowing if you get pulled for GA it's $250 a pop, lower res it's $175 and upper res it's $125 or something.

Agree 100% with the bold part.  When I go to a sporting event or any other concert, I pay more to sit close.  I prefer it that way.

chester0711

mattcoz said:

lahren said:

craigraether said:

I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math..  15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. 
If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 
If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ... 

Average price per Seat is $265... 

Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium. 

Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase) 

At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.

It's both, it's a lot of things. Overhead has increased since COVID, inflation has increased, and the venues/promoters are trying to recoup lost revenue from years of no concerts by raising prices and fees. The $1000 tickets have always existed, or close to them, they're just now being shown next to regular face value tickets instead of only on reseller sites.

Its really the promoter trying to cut out the middle men (brokers/scalpers) If the promoter sells a ticket for $85 and the scalpers are successfully moving them for $250.....why wouldn't the promoter raise the price. Why let a scalper succeed. The market obviously dictates that the price is obtainable? 

mattcoz

bbiggs said:

Edved007 said:

Hawk123 said:

craigraether said:

I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math..  15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. 
If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 
If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ... 

Average price per Seat is $265... 

Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium. 

Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase) 

Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify. 

Part of this is the way PJ keeps the price the same regardless of seat in the arena. Excluding premium, GA cost the same as 300's behind the stage. I'd be in favor of raising prices for the good seats and keeping the crappy one's the same or lowering to offset.  I think that's what stung me the most.  Paying $160+ for a seat in the very back corner is tough to swallow, but $160+ for a GA ticket is a smoking deal. I know it's luck of the draw for GA or not, and obviously the seating by seniority, but the prices could still reflect the seats. Enter for all you are comfortable with knowing if you get pulled for GA it's $250 a pop, lower res it's $175 and upper res it's $125 or something.

Agree 100% with the bold part.  When I go to a sporting event or any other concert, I pay more to sit close.  I prefer it that way.

I'm selfish, I prefer paying less for my good 10C seats, lol.

chester0711 said:

mattcoz said:

lahren said:

craigraether said:

I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math..  15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. 
If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 
If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ... 

Average price per Seat is $265... 

Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium. 

Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase) 

At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.

It's both, it's a lot of things. Overhead has increased since COVID, inflation has increased, and the venues/promoters are trying to recoup lost revenue from years of no concerts by raising prices and fees. The $1000 tickets have always existed, or close to them, they're just now being shown next to regular face value tickets instead of only on reseller sites.

Its really the promoter trying to cut out the middle men (brokers/scalpers) If the promoter sells a ticket for $85 and the scalpers are successfully moving them for $250.....why wouldn't the promoter raise the price. Why let a scalper succeed. The market obviously dictates that the price is obtainable? 

Yup, exactly. But people see that when going to buy tickets and it's a shock, especially when all the face value tickets sell out so fast.

bbiggs

mattcoz said:

bbiggs said:

Edved007 said:

Hawk123 said:

craigraether said:

I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math..  15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. 
If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 
If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ... 

Average price per Seat is $265... 

Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium. 

Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase) 

Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify. 

Part of this is the way PJ keeps the price the same regardless of seat in the arena. Excluding premium, GA cost the same as 300's behind the stage. I'd be in favor of raising prices for the good seats and keeping the crappy one's the same or lowering to offset.  I think that's what stung me the most.  Paying $160+ for a seat in the very back corner is tough to swallow, but $160+ for a GA ticket is a smoking deal. I know it's luck of the draw for GA or not, and obviously the seating by seniority, but the prices could still reflect the seats. Enter for all you are comfortable with knowing if you get pulled for GA it's $250 a pop, lower res it's $175 and upper res it's $125 or something.

Agree 100% with the bold part.  When I go to a sporting event or any other concert, I pay more to sit close.  I prefer it that way.

I'm selfish, I prefer paying less for my good 10C seats, lol.

chester0711 said:

mattcoz said:

lahren said:

craigraether said:

I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math..  15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. 
If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 
If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ... 

Average price per Seat is $265... 

Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium. 

Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase) 

At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.

It's both, it's a lot of things. Overhead has increased since COVID, inflation has increased, and the venues/promoters are trying to recoup lost revenue from years of no concerts by raising prices and fees. The $1000 tickets have always existed, or close to them, they're just now being shown next to regular face value tickets instead of only on reseller sites.

Its really the promoter trying to cut out the middle men (brokers/scalpers) If the promoter sells a ticket for $85 and the scalpers are successfully moving them for $250.....why wouldn't the promoter raise the price. Why let a scalper succeed. The market obviously dictates that the price is obtainable? 

Yup, exactly. But people see that when going to buy tickets and it's a shock, especially when all the face value tickets sell out so fast.

I always preferred paying less for my good 10C seats as well.  What used to be 100 level seats at worst for me has now moved to 300 level seats at worst.  As their policy has changed, so has my perspective.  It is all relative.

Vedd Hedd

when do we think we will start seeing the new seat allocations roll out?

3days

Vedd Hedd said:

when do we think we will start seeing the new seat allocations roll out?

No one knows. Personally, I think there's a lot of yarn to untangle.

mace1229

BV84003 said:

JojoRice said:

Edved007 said:

Hawk123 said:

craigraether said:

I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math..  15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. 
If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 
If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ... 

Average price per Seat is $265... 

Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium. 

Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase) 

Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify. 

Part of this is the way PJ keeps the price the same regardless of seat in the arena. Excluding premium, GA cost the same as 300's behind the stage. I'd be in favor of raising prices for the good seats and keeping the crappy one's the same or lowering to offset.  I think that's what stung me the most.  Paying $160+ for a seat in the very back corner is tough to swallow, but $160+ for a GA ticket is a smoking deal. I know it's luck of the draw for GA or not, and obviously the seating by seniority, but the prices could still reflect the seats. Enter for all you are comfortable with knowing if you get pulled for GA it's $250 a pop, lower res it's $175 and upper res it's $125 or something.

That's not a bad idea.  Ed's solo and Earthling shows always have different prices depending on seat location.  PJ is one of the very few bands that has the same price throughout the entire venue.  The only other artist that comes to mind that does this is Garth Brooks. 

Closer seats should always cost more IMO. GA is more of a crapshoot depending on how early you want to (or can) line up..  but certainly not all seats are equal, and shouldn't be priced equally. I guess by this logic, low TC #s would always be paying more for non-GA lottery wins than newer members. But there's really no reason why (hypothetically) section 110 right by the stage should cost the same as 336 in the whole opposite corner of the arena in the nosebleeds. None.

If they ever did move to this system, I would imagine you can select the tier you want and it would be based on seniority from there. But that would just complicate it a lot more, lets get just a basic system right first before we move to something a little more complicated.

But Ga vs Reserved having different prices seems easy to do.

JimmyV

Vedd Hedd said:

when do we think we will start seeing the new seat allocations roll out?

Will be surprised if we see/hear anything before the end of this week. 

Vedd Hedd

Save Who

Saw 50+ new messages and though seats are rolling out, nope :(

matt3846

Live image of seat re-assignment in progress…

vedpunk

All Texas shows sold out except for a few Premium seats.  Maybe they should play Texas more often 😆

ComeToTX

vedpunk said:

All Texas shows sold out except for a few Premium seats.  Maybe they should play Texas more often 😆

Weird, I've been told for about a decade on here that they didn't play here because there was a lack of demand.

baldog27

IMHO 
1.  Get rid of Priority, Keep Seniority (Each show is it's own lotto) - clearly the TM Algo cannot do both
2.  Stop it with Fan 2 Fan especially now that you are giving out 300 level seats to fans who might take a 100% loss. (Free Market is Better)
3.  CAP your PJ Premium Pricing (truly embarrassing) and Go Back to Calling it Platinum and Let TM take the heat for you
4.  Bring Back GA Only (you prob won't but you should)

vedpunk

ComeToTX said:

vedpunk said:

All Texas shows sold out except for a few Premium seats.  Maybe they should play Texas more often 😆

Weird, I've been told for about a decade on here that they didn't play here because there was a lack of demand.

Fake news. They could add two more arena shows in Houston and sell those out too.  This isn’t California.  😝 

Doug87

BV84003 said:

JojoRice said:

Edved007 said:

Hawk123 said:

craigraether said:

I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math..  15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. 
If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 
If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ... 

Average price per Seat is $265... 

Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium. 

Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase) 

Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify. 

Part of this is the way PJ keeps the price the same regardless of seat in the arena. Excluding premium, GA cost the same as 300's behind the stage. I'd be in favor of raising prices for the good seats and keeping the crappy one's the same or lowering to offset.  I think that's what stung me the most.  Paying $160+ for a seat in the very back corner is tough to swallow, but $160+ for a GA ticket is a smoking deal. I know it's luck of the draw for GA or not, and obviously the seating by seniority, but the prices could still reflect the seats. Enter for all you are comfortable with knowing if you get pulled for GA it's $250 a pop, lower res it's $175 and upper res it's $125 or something.

That's not a bad idea.  Ed's solo and Earthling shows always have different prices depending on seat location.  PJ is one of the very few bands that has the same price throughout the entire venue.  The only other artist that comes to mind that does this is Garth Brooks. 

Closer seats should always cost more IMO. GA is more of a crapshoot depending on how early you want to (or can) line up..  but certainly not all seats are equal, and shouldn't be priced equally. I guess by this logic, low TC #s would always be paying more for non-GA lottery wins than newer members. But there's really no reason why (hypothetically) section 110 right by the stage should cost the same as 336 in the whole opposite corner of the arena in the nosebleeds. None.

Wouldn't fully agree with this specific point:

I guess by this logic, low TC #s would always be paying more for non-GA lottery wins than newer members.

It would be subject to whatever people felt comfortable paying.

In the extreme example, if no older Ten Club members are willing to pay $175 - 250, then all new members would be winning (if new members were willing to pay that).

If all members are willing to pay up to top price then you are correct the low TC numbers would be paying more than newer members, by virtue of newer members being shut out of the better higher priced tickets.

But, I don't know that lower TC members would universally get on board with higher prices for higher quality seats.

JojoRice

DMB offers tiered seating options for their Warehouse members too. 

GlorifiedGEE

matt3846 said:

Live image of seat re-assignment in progress…

this made my chuckle!

GlorifiedGEE

vedpunk said:

ComeToTX said:

vedpunk said:

All Texas shows sold out except for a few Premium seats.  Maybe they should play Texas more often 😆

Weird, I've been told for about a decade on here that they didn't play here because there was a lack of demand.

Fake news. They could add two more arena shows in Houston and sell those out too.  This isn’t California.  😝 

100% they could crush Houston.  I just think they do not enjoy my city.  In the end, too much time and not enough cities.... strike that,  reverse it