Official 2023 Ticket Lottery Results Thread

thefixer420

I Got Shit. Saint Paul Saturday, then Thursday, then Chicago Thursday then Tuesday.

machinehum

 

cblock4life

I would think that there would be a description readily available of the “lottery” process after all the crap with TS. 

Kevinman

machinehum said:

Kevinman said:

mace1229 said:

machinehum said:

PJNB said:

marra2312 said:

machinehum said:

tylerj said:

PJNB said:

tylerj said:

CopperTom said:

tylerj said:

All, it's not totally confusing as to why someone who listed  any show as 2nd priority would get a ticket and someone with 1st priority wouldn't. My understanding is they group those in 1st priority, run the randomizer/lottery and issue tickets to those who get picked. Once that's done they do that again for 2nd, 3rd, 4th priority etc until all the allotment is gone. 

I could be wrong. Someone let me know if they know otherwise. 

No.  First priority are drawn first.  If tickets remain, they move on to second priority entries.  A first priority person should never lose and a second priority person win. 

That's not how it's worked for the last few tours I don't believe. Been multiple past examples of 2nd, 3rd priority ppl getting tickets and 1st priority ppl getting nothing. it's caused a lot of butthurt for some folks. My first priority was Chicago N1. Haven't received an email yet. Yet some people at 2nd priority have reported getting reserved tickets. 

That is the reason we put priority down. It makes no sense to have priority for pics if it was random as you said. In no way should someone that picked a show as a 2nd get it over someone that put it as a first. That is a broken system

All I'm saying is there was a person here who said they got St Paul tickets for both nights at 5th and 6th priority and then there are people who put those as 1st and/or 2nd priority and haven't heard back yet. I guess they could still get tickets if they're sending out the emails by 10c number. 

People are thinking about "priority" wrong here. This has *nothing* to do with who has "priority" to get drawn, it is *only* and *strictly* your own personal prioritization of your preference of shows to attend. How to translate those personal rankings into something that looks fair across a matrix of multiple people ranking multiple instances is an entire field of study and there are a thousand ways to do it depending on what factors are considered more important. 

Then what is the point of them asking it? Not looking for a fight, just seems to needlessly complicate things if it doesn't have any impact on what order people get drawn.

Lol right it is so simlple

5000 pairs to go out for 10C

Priority 1 is drawn

3000 people have it as a first pick. All win

Priority 2 is drawn

2500 people have it as a second pick. 2000 win. 500 lose. 

Everyone after priority 2 loses 



This is not hard. 

With respect, you're very wrong because you're oversimplifying the problem space. Your example doesn't have 9 events with people ranking subsets of them. A forum post isn't the place to get into it, but for some enlightening lay-audience-oriented discussion take a look for example here: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/372916/ranked-preference-matching-algorithm or google "ranked matching", "preference matching", "stable matching", "bipartite graphs", etc.

But that is exactly how it was originally explained. First show drawing- All priority 1 gets in the lotto before priority 2, and so on.
If there are more tickets than those with priority 1, then all who picked priority 1 should have tickets.
The 8 other shows have no impact on the show being drawn, the lottery doesn’t need to reflect 9 events with subsets.

This

Source for where it was explained that way, other than a post by a random on this forum or reddit? 

Source that says it’s not this way?

Salt_life23

Pearl Jam Tour = Increase of screen time by 200%

machinehum

 

tdawe

Austin 1 Section 217 (priority 1)
Austin 2 Section 206 (priority 2)
10C #506xxx

A bit disappointed in the seats, but as others have noted it’s a sign that, as with the 2020* shows, a huge amount of the tickets are going to club members. 

setlist41

Anyone here with Indy being your 1st and 2nd choice and nothing yet?

machinehum

 

cblock4life

Kevinman said:

Drawing each section of each show by priority makes most sense, especially with the announcements coming in waves.
1st St Paul GA, then Chicago GA, St Paul Res, Chicago Res, etc.

So this correct?  Or do you mean - for example - all CH night 1 as priority 1 goes into a lottery then names get pulled? 

Go Animal

solace said:

Go Animal said:

Okay, just for the sake of study, here's how I fared, because I see NO pattern lol

Shows in order of preference:
1. Chicago N2, GA/Res & Res selected
2. Chicago N1, GA/Res & Res selected
3. Austin N2, GA/Res & Res selected
4. Austin N1, GA/Res & Res selected
5. Noblesville, GA/Res & Res selected
6. St. Paul N2, GA/Res & Res selected
7. St. Paul N1, GA/Res & Res selected

Shows I was notified about across 5 hours:

1. St. Paul N1, Res
2. St. Paul N2, Res
3. Chicago N2, Res
4. Chicago N1, Res
5. Austin N2, Res
6. Austin N1, Res

6 out of 7 (Noblesville shut out), No GA, least important came in first, with this weird leap frog move by St. Paul, and Chicago & Austin (albeit a bit late) coming in the order I listed them, after said leap-frogging. No rhyme or reason, folks. 

Just happy to have tix (that I will now try to upgrade lol)

This makes me feel so much worse about not getting the 2 hometown shows I put in for.

This is stupid. 

What shows do you want?

Sugarloafer04

tdawe said:

Austin 1 Section 217 (priority 1)
Austin 2 Section 206 (priority 2)
10C #506xxx

A bit disappointed in the seats, but as others have noted it’s a sign that, as with the 2020* shows, a huge amount of the tickets are going to club members. 

Austin 1 Section 212(priority 1) 
Austin 2 Section 215(priority 2) 
10C #690XXX

Lindsay B

So it’s 8:02 pm EST on 4/25. No word yet. Should I assume I didn’t get either show I put in for? Really bummed- been a 10 club member for a long time .the request page still says “request received” so I’m holding out hope 

thefixer420

Also...wait until you see how many of these tickets end up on the secondary using "wallet transfer!" Brokers now sell non transferable tickets by providing buyers with links that allow them to download the ticket into their Apple Wallet. No need to transfer.

Pearl Jam ruined the fan club the day it abandoned day of show WCO.

Sarava

machinehum said:

Kevinman said:

Drawing each section of each show by priority makes most sense, especially with the announcements coming in waves.
1st St Paul GA, then Chicago GA, St Paul Res, Chicago Res, etc.

Consider these two people's preference sets in order:

Person A: Austin, St. Paul, Noblesville

Person B: Chicago, Austin, St. Paul, Noblesville. 

If Chicago has high demand and Person B does not get it, and Austin, St. Paul, and Noblesville all have enough seats for pretty much everyone in priority 1 and not much else, it's entirely likely that Person A gets all three of their picks, while Person B gets zero because they put Chicago first, maybe because they live in Chicago and would prefer not to travel if possible. Who knows. Personally, I find that an extraordinarily unfair system. I'm not saying a system with some other outcome is necessarily better, but I'm saying this "obvious" "only reasonable" system is not at all that. 

I mean, it's fair ...that's how its worked since I've been in these lottery's since 2013 and we all know it. We know the rules and know whether we want choose to take the risks with more popular shows or not.

Hoagie Breath

jimjam1982 said:

cblock4life said:

Kevinman said:

MYM said:

so if someone gets Austin Night 1 and it was their fourth choice.... and it was my second choice, it stands to reason that i should be getting tickets, right?

Logically yes…..actually…..no idea.

If your name doesn’t get randomly pulled then it doesn’t matter what priority you listed or your seniority.  Your name never getting pulled means no tickets. 

Once again. This is fake news. Priority gets first consideration. It's on the FAQ. 

Show me the FAQ.

If you don't get picked in the lottery for a certain show you dont get tix for that show. Priority comes into play only if you were picked in the lottery followed by seniority when it comes to seat assignment.

Pearl34Jam

setlist41 said:

Anyone here with Indy being your 1st and 2nd choice and nothing yet?

Selected all Indy options and nothing

JM12271

setlist41 said:

Anyone here with Indy being your 1st and 2nd choice and nothing yet?

I selected just one show - Indy and nothing - no decline and no tix. 143xxx

slightofjeff

I don't know how any of this works. I just know in 25 years of buying Ten Club tickets through all sort of means, I've never been shut out of a show I wanted. Not once. Some years my seats are better than others, but I've always been in the building.

Am I just incredibly lucky? Judging by these responses, I suppose so.

I don't put in for tickets every tour, and I'm not one of those that puts in for like seven shows at a time, so maybe that ups my batting average. But I've been to 20+ shows using 10C tickets beginning in '98 and never had a problem getting in. I don't mean this in any sort of way. I'm actually quite surprised at how many people apparently are pulling no tickets for anything.

This time, I put in for both Austin shows, got both Austin shows and if I hadn't been on this message board would have thought the system worked flawlessly.

jdopj

setlist41 said:

Anyone here with Indy being your 1st and 2nd choice and nothing yet?

Me

Abe Froman

Seems like Indy was high demand. If you didn’t have it as priority one I don’t think you got it…at least so far

I got my 2nd and 3rd choices (st Paul) and I got Indy. But I had Indy as priority #1

BloodMeridian80

machinehum said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

cblock4life said:

Kevinman said:

MYM said:

so if someone gets Austin Night 1 and it was their fourth choice.... and it was my second choice, it stands to reason that i should be getting tickets, right?

Logically yes…..actually…..no idea.

If your name doesn’t get randomly pulled then it doesn’t matter what priority you listed or your seniority.  Your name never getting pulled means no tickets. 

It’s happening to me as well.  

That may be what happened, but that’s not the system described nor used in previous lotteries

Honest question, not trying to be argumentative: where have you seen the system described for the current lottery, and where have you seen descriptions (from people involved who actually know what they're talking about) about how it's worked in the past? 

I’ve participated in just about every lottery and priority always mattered. Someone who had a show 2nd priority didn’t/shouldn’t get picked over someone who had the show picked 1st priority.

The lottery process was pretty well described by tenclub, it is not what has happened thus far this time

JM12271

Lindsay Buchanan said:

So it’s 8:02 pm EST on 4/25. No word yet. Should I assume I didn’t get either show I put in for? Really bummed- been a 10 club member for a long time .the request page still says “request received” so I’m holding out hope 

Where are you seeing this - how do I access it? THX

ssommers21

solace said:

Go Animal said:

Okay, just for the sake of study, here's how I fared, because I see NO pattern lol

Shows in order of preference:
1. Chicago N2, GA/Res & Res selected
2. Chicago N1, GA/Res & Res selected
3. Austin N2, GA/Res & Res selected
4. Austin N1, GA/Res & Res selected
5. Noblesville, GA/Res & Res selected
6. St. Paul N2, GA/Res & Res selected
7. St. Paul N1, GA/Res & Res selected

Shows I was notified about across 5 hours:

1. St. Paul N1, Res
2. St. Paul N2, Res
3. Chicago N2, Res
4. Chicago N1, Res
5. Austin N2, Res
6. Austin N1, Res

6 out of 7 (Noblesville shut out), No GA, least important came in first, with this weird leap frog move by St. Paul, and Chicago & Austin (albeit a bit late) coming in the order I listed them, after said leap-frogging. No rhyme or reason, folks. 

Just happy to have tix (that I will now try to upgrade lol)

This makes me feel so much worse about not getting the 2 hometown shows I put in for.

This is stupid. 

honestly........ you are batting 85% putting in for 7 shows getting 6.   I'd much rather see someone go 2 of 2.  absolutely crazy

johnny__utah

Got my first two choices, Austin N1, N2, chose 'GA or Reserved option', with the idea of taking my chances for a GA lotto win. I was spoiled with GA and side stage the last few tours, so ultimately disappointed with terrible seats at the far end of the building, but it was a crapshoot. Can't see myself traveling for those seats, will be listing on F2F. First world problems. 

tdawe

Lindsay Buchanan said:

So it’s 8:02 pm EST on 4/25. No word yet. Should I assume I didn’t get either show I put in for? Really bummed- been a 10 club member for a long time .the request page still says “request received” so I’m holding out hope 

No you should not. As we’ve seen today (and in prior lotteries) it takes a while to get these confirmations out. 

iwasatpj20

tdawe said:

Austin 1 Section 217 (priority 1)
Austin 2 Section 206 (priority 2)
10C #506xxx

A bit disappointed in the seats, but as others have noted it’s a sign that, as with the 2020* shows, a huge amount of the tickets are going to club members. 

In for both shows, I wouldn't complain.  I got reserved pair for both Austin shows and I got the Heath Ledger Joker smile right now

machinehum

 

dlesko619

setlist41 said:

Anyone here with Indy being your 1st and 2nd choice and nothing yet?

My wife and I only put in for Indy and nothing yet 

Kevinman

machinehum said:

Kevinman said:

machinehum said:

Kevinman said:

mace1229 said:

machinehum said:

PJNB said:

marra2312 said:

machinehum said:

tylerj said:

PJNB said:

tylerj said:

CopperTom said:

tylerj said:

All, it's not totally confusing as to why someone who listed  any show as 2nd priority would get a ticket and someone with 1st priority wouldn't. My understanding is they group those in 1st priority, run the randomizer/lottery and issue tickets to those who get picked. Once that's done they do that again for 2nd, 3rd, 4th priority etc until all the allotment is gone. 

I could be wrong. Someone let me know if they know otherwise. 

No.  First priority are drawn first.  If tickets remain, they move on to second priority entries.  A first priority person should never lose and a second priority person win. 

That's not how it's worked for the last few tours I don't believe. Been multiple past examples of 2nd, 3rd priority ppl getting tickets and 1st priority ppl getting nothing. it's caused a lot of butthurt for some folks. My first priority was Chicago N1. Haven't received an email yet. Yet some people at 2nd priority have reported getting reserved tickets. 

That is the reason we put priority down. It makes no sense to have priority for pics if it was random as you said. In no way should someone that picked a show as a 2nd get it over someone that put it as a first. That is a broken system

All I'm saying is there was a person here who said they got St Paul tickets for both nights at 5th and 6th priority and then there are people who put those as 1st and/or 2nd priority and haven't heard back yet. I guess they could still get tickets if they're sending out the emails by 10c number. 

People are thinking about "priority" wrong here. This has *nothing* to do with who has "priority" to get drawn, it is *only* and *strictly* your own personal prioritization of your preference of shows to attend. How to translate those personal rankings into something that looks fair across a matrix of multiple people ranking multiple instances is an entire field of study and there are a thousand ways to do it depending on what factors are considered more important. 

Then what is the point of them asking it? Not looking for a fight, just seems to needlessly complicate things if it doesn't have any impact on what order people get drawn.

Lol right it is so simlple

5000 pairs to go out for 10C

Priority 1 is drawn

3000 people have it as a first pick. All win

Priority 2 is drawn

2500 people have it as a second pick. 2000 win. 500 lose. 

Everyone after priority 2 loses 



This is not hard. 

With respect, you're very wrong because you're oversimplifying the problem space. Your example doesn't have 9 events with people ranking subsets of them. A forum post isn't the place to get into it, but for some enlightening lay-audience-oriented discussion take a look for example here: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/372916/ranked-preference-matching-algorithm or google "ranked matching", "preference matching", "stable matching", "bipartite graphs", etc.

But that is exactly how it was originally explained. First show drawing- All priority 1 gets in the lotto before priority 2, and so on.
If there are more tickets than those with priority 1, then all who picked priority 1 should have tickets.
The 8 other shows have no impact on the show being drawn, the lottery doesn’t need to reflect 9 events with subsets.

This

Source for where it was explained that way, other than a post by a random on this forum or reddit? 

Source that says it’s not this way?

lolwut? Y'all are making the assertion, not me. I'm not interested in trying to prove a negative. 

It seems like you are