Seems we have a few on here. From Letter From An American. And we were told it couldn’t happen here and that comparisons to Hitler were madness and maybe antisemitism. Good fucking luck:
Examining a number of types of Americans, she wrote that the line between democracy and fascism was not wealth, or education, or race, or age, or nationality. “Kind, good, happy, gentlemanly, secure people never go Nazi,” she wrote. They were secure enough to be good natured and open to new ideas, and they believed so completely in the promise of American democracy that they would defend it with their lives, even if they seemed too easygoing to join a struggle. “But the frustrated and humiliated intellectual, the rich and scared speculator, the spoiled son, the labor tyrant, the fellow who has achieved success by smelling out the wind of success—they would all go Nazi in a crisis,” she wrote. “Those who haven’t anything in them to tell them what they like and what they don’t—whether it is breeding, or happiness, or wisdom, or a code, however old-fashioned or however modern, go Nazi.”
You’re being told what POOTWH is going to do and some will just goose step along blaming the victims because in their mind it doesn’t matter one iota in their personal life who gets elected to public office. I look forward to the “Heil” sign offs soon. From Letter From An American:
On Saturday, September 7, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump predicted that his plan to deport 15 to 20 million people currently living in the United States would be “bloody.” He also promised to prosecute his political opponents, including, he wrote, lawyers, political operatives, donors, illegal voters, and election officials. Retired chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley told journalist Bob Woodward that Trump is “a fascist to the core…the most dangerous person to this country.”
On October 14, Trump told Fox News Channel host Maria Bartiromo that he thought enemies within the United States were more dangerous than foreign adversaries and that he thought the military should stop those “radical left lunatics” on Election Day. Since then, he has been talking a lot about “the enemy from within,” specifically naming Representative Adam Schiff and former House speaker Nancy Pelosi, both Democrats from California, as “bad people.” Schiff was the chair of the House Intelligence Committee that broke the 2019 story of Trump’s attempt to extort Volodymyr Zelensky that led to Trump’s first impeachment.
Trump’s references to the “enemy from within” have become so frequent that former White House press secretary turned political analyst Jen Psaki has called them his closing argument for the 2024 election, and she warned that his construction of those who oppose him as “enemies” might sweep in virtually anyone he feels is a threat.
You’re being told what POOTWH is going to do and some will just goose step along blaming the victims because in their mind it doesn’t matter one iota in their personal life who gets elected to public office. I look forward to the “Heil” sign offs soon. From Letter From An American:
On Saturday, September 7, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump predicted that his plan to deport 15 to 20 million people currently living in the United States would be “bloody.” He also promised to prosecute his political opponents, including, he wrote, lawyers, political operatives, donors, illegal voters, and election officials. Retired chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley told journalist Bob Woodward that Trump is “a fascist to the core…the most dangerous person to this country.”
On October 14, Trump told Fox News Channel host Maria Bartiromo that he thought enemies within the United States were more dangerous than foreign adversaries and that he thought the military should stop those “radical left lunatics” on Election Day. Since then, he has been talking a lot about “the enemy from within,” specifically naming Representative Adam Schiff and former House speaker Nancy Pelosi, both Democrats from California, as “bad people.” Schiff was the chair of the House Intelligence Committee that broke the 2019 story of Trump’s attempt to extort Volodymyr Zelensky that led to Trump’s first impeachment.
Trump’s references to the “enemy from within” have become so frequent that former White House press secretary turned political analyst Jen Psaki has called them his closing argument for the 2024 election, and she warned that his construction of those who oppose him as “enemies” might sweep in virtually anyone he feels is a threat.
Yeah, but how is any of this going to change MY day to day life though?
From WaPo. But who fucking cares who gets elected? Doesn’t impact your personal life at all. And fuck them everydayers, they’re not ME! Might want to check your stocks of your bugout hideaway and buy gold. POOTWH gold coins to be precise.
Two of Trump’s promises, repeated endlessly with the emotional delivery that men tend to reserve for bar brawls, hew closely to this belief set: The vow to deport millions of immigrants; and the plan to curtail the world’s access to U.S. markets by raising tariffs — against imports from China, mainly, but also those from everywhere else.
These threats have been too casually lumped in with Trump’s stream of implausible promises and statements — entangled in Trump’s rhetorical weave. Unfortunately for us all, he threatens tariffs and deportations with the passion of a true believer.
America, be afraid. Though each of these proposals alone could cause considerable damage to the economy, together they would conjure a perfect storm of self-inflicted harm. Kimberly Clausing, an economist at UCLA, put it calmly: “It is not hyperbolic at all to say this could cause a depression.”
How bad? Three economists — Warwick McKibbin of the Australian National University, along with Megan Hogan and Marcus Noland of the Peterson Institute for International Economics — fed Trump’s proposals into a multicountry economic model that is often used by central banks, government agencies and international institutions to assess scenarios and analyze policy.
They plugged in the deportation of 8.3 million unauthorized workersestimated to be toiling across the economy. They added a 60 percent tariff imposed on Chinese imports and a 10 percent tariff on imports from all other countries.
They added a third possible outcome that aligns well with Trump’s deep-seated desire for absolute power: that he would end the political independence of the Federal Reserve to steer interest rates and the dollar’s exchange rate to propel faster economic growth and terminate the nation’s trade deficit.
If Trump got all he asked for, the model said, the outcome would be pretty bad.
Trump could claim a “win”: The current account deficit — the broadest measure of the nation’s trade balance — would snap into a surplus, a longtime dream of the former president’s. But that would be wholly a product of capital fleeing the United States, starving the country’s economy of resources to purchase imports.
For everyday Americans, reality would become a nightmare: Trump’s plan would shrink the nation’s gross domestic product by $8 trillion over a second presidency, in today’s money. That is more than a quarter of the nation’s economic output in 2024. At the end of that term, prices would be about 25 percent higher. Employment would tank. The dollar would sink. Apocalyptic stuff.
What would have gone wrong? Standing annoyingly in the way of Trump’s MAGA dream is math.
Deporting 5 percent of the workforce would deliver a massive double whammy to the economy. It would boost inflation (through rising wages) even as it slowed growth by curbing consumer spending (immigrants are consumers) and investment as businesses with fewer workers to hire would invest less in themselves. This would ultimately cause deeper job losses.
The deportations alone would knock $6.4 trillion off American output over Trump’s term in office, according to the economists’ model. The additional tariffs would deal a bedraggled economy yet another blow. They would directly boost inflation by raising the price of imports (as well as that of the domestic goods that competed with them). But because the United States would need less foreign currency to pay for imports, the tariffs would also boost the dollar, curbing U.S. exports, too.
Other countries, moreover, would probably not take kindly to Trump’s tariffs and retaliate with tariffs of their own, blocking U.S. exports and further slowing economic growth in the United States.
Finally, curbing the Fed’s independence would deliver the coup de grâce. If Trump pushed rates down to goose growth, GDP and employment might get a short-term boost. But that growth would soon be eaten up by higher inflation. And, ominously, investors’ mistrust of a Trump-led Fed would surely spur substantial capital flight.
Maybe Trump can be prevented from doing some of this. Maybe he only manages to deport a couple million undocumented workers. Maybe he can’t easily raise tariffs on countries with which the United States has trade agreements. Taking away the Fed’s independence could get entangled in constitutional niceties.
But one should not assume that Trump will be easily deterred. After struggling with grown-ups in his first administration, it is unlikely he will bring many into a second. And congressional Republicans looking to get in Trump’s way will first have to find their spines.
Perhaps the ultimate irony is that the red-hat crowd that so reveres Trump will be punished the most by his plans. The MAGA contingent might think it’s okay to burn down the house to stick it to the liberal elites that populate blue coastal America. But it’s the homes of working-class Americans that will burn first. Tariffs, for one, are particularly harmful to the poor, who consume most of what they earn with little left over for savings. The rich pay the “tariff tax” on a much smaller share of their income.
And, so, the United States will have gotten back at the world — asserting its hegemony and making itself great again through an act of economic suicide.
Careful what you wish for. From the same WaPo article linked above:
Perhaps the ultimate irony is that the red-hat crowd that so reveres Trump will be punished the most by his plans. The MAGA contingent might think it’s okay to burn down the house to stick it to the liberal elites that populate blue coastal America. But it’s the homes of working-class Americans that will burn first. Tariffs, for one, are particularly harmful to the poor, who consume most of what they earn with little left over for savings. The rich pay the “tariff tax” on a much smaller share of their income.
"tariff tax" - that's a redundant statement - tariffs are taxes. See: dictionary.
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"tariff tax" - that's a redundant statement - tariffs are taxes. See: dictionary.
Tell WaPo. Although I’ve experienced a decline in the quality of their reporting since they offered buy outs to senior staff.
Yes, tariffs/duties are taxes, I believe they actually pre-date income taxes. I think duties were the first "tax" ever levied by the United States. I can actually speak to tariffs with some expert knowledge. It is what I do for a living. You may not like my opinion about them though.
And thank you Kat for the reminder that it is ok to state your opinion and not be attacked. Some of the liberal extremism is just as bad as the conservative extremism. And I am sorry, but any reference to Nazis is misplaced and offensive. The US is not at risk of a dictatorship or a military coup d'é·tat.
Do not hate me for being disenfranchised with the entire political process in our country. That does not mean I cannot appreciate or comprehend the consequences of either candidate being elected, the significance of war, the state of our veterans, the economy, or that I like one candidate over the other.
And for those of you that think I am coming from a high horse of comfort and security, I am not. 2024 was one of the hardest years I have had in my lifetime. Workforce reductions, increasing costs, decreasing benefits, and an IRS tax audit that will cost me thousands. I got a $12,000 bill for an emergency room trip in March after benefits from my so called excellent health insurance coverage that costs 3k a month (pre-tax). An old lady smashed into my car last week. Her insurance sucks because she is on a fixed income and can only afford the bare minimum in NY state. I might have to pay out of pocket (4K) and sue her and her insurance co for reimbursement. Oh and a giant 200 year old tree fell on my townhouse in January. From a neighbors property. Repairs just finished in August and now I am fighting with my insurance company for reimbursement of out of pocket costs in excess of $15,000. My daughter might get into a top 20 university with estimated annual costs of $90K in 2026. Is Trump or Kamala being elected going to help solve these "life problems?" This is what I meant by not really having skin the game. Either one could get elected and it will not really help me, so forgive me for being selfish. I respect all of your positions, and take them to heart. We all have different issues that hit home and that is why we have democracy andwhy we vote.
I will enjoy reading your comments as the election unfolds. Thanks for reminding me why this is not the right place to have a political discussion without being lambasted when having an opinion that may be different from yours.
If candidates say the same exact things as past Fascist dictators, it's totally fair game to compare them and their supporters to Nazis. I am not the least bit sorry.
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he won't ask anything about J6. He won't ask him about any of his lawsuits or convictions. He'll ask him fluff questions about policy and maybe about Dana White and/or Vince McMahon and won't push back on any answers/non-answers.
I expect him to ask what he might do differently this time around. T will deflect any questions that might involve legal proceedings. That is SOP for politicians. I think the interview might be better than any debate. We shall see and I hope we get a full two hours.
I have a prediction. People who hate Trump will despise the interview with Rogan and pick apart every second. His supporters will think it’s the greatest thing ever.
I have a prediction. People who hate Trump will despise the interview with Rogan and pick apart every second. His supporters will think it’s the greatest thing ever.
I have a prediction. People who hate Trump will despise the interview with Rogan and pick apart every second. His supporters will think it’s the greatest thing ever.
or will choose not to watch it because we do not wish to hear that stupid conversation.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I expect him to ask what he might do differently this time around. T will deflect any questions that might involve legal proceedings. That is SOP for politicians. I think the interview might be better than any debate. We shall see and I hope we get a full two hours.
For Trump's sake, I would hope it would be better than his debate performance.
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I expect him to ask what he might do differently this time around. T will deflect any questions that might involve legal proceedings. That is SOP for politicians. I think the interview might be better than any debate. We shall see and I hope we get a full two hours.
For Trump's sake, I would hope it would be better than his debate performance.
Hey. Oh.
I expect it will be. Not that we will get any great answers. But maybe, just maybe, something more.
I expect him to ask what he might do differently this time around. T will deflect any questions that might involve legal proceedings. That is SOP for politicians. I think the interview might be better than any debate. We shall see and I hope we get a full two hours.
For Trump's sake, I would hope it would be better than his debate performance.
Hey. Oh.
I expect it will be. Not that we will get any great answers. But maybe, just maybe, something more.
Expressing the Final Solution for his political enemies? A deportation plan for migrants involving trains and box cars? Seriously? What is the “something more?”
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Examining a number of types of Americans, she wrote that the line between democracy and fascism was not wealth, or education, or race, or age, or nationality. “Kind, good, happy, gentlemanly, secure people never go Nazi,” she wrote. They were secure enough to be good natured and open to new ideas, and they believed so completely in the promise of American democracy that they would defend it with their lives, even if they seemed too easygoing to join a struggle. “But the frustrated and humiliated intellectual, the rich and scared speculator, the spoiled son, the labor tyrant, the fellow who has achieved success by smelling out the wind of success—they would all go Nazi in a crisis,” she wrote. “Those who haven’t anything in them to tell them what they like and what they don’t—whether it is breeding, or happiness, or wisdom, or a code, however old-fashioned or however modern, go Nazi.”
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On Saturday, September 7, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump predicted that his plan to deport 15 to 20 million people currently living in the United States would be “bloody.” He also promised to prosecute his political opponents, including, he wrote, lawyers, political operatives, donors, illegal voters, and election officials. Retired chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley told journalist Bob Woodward that Trump is “a fascist to the core…the most dangerous person to this country.”
On October 14, Trump told Fox News Channel host Maria Bartiromo that he thought enemies within the United States were more dangerous than foreign adversaries and that he thought the military should stop those “radical left lunatics” on Election Day. Since then, he has been talking a lot about “the enemy from within,” specifically naming Representative Adam Schiff and former House speaker Nancy Pelosi, both Democrats from California, as “bad people.” Schiff was the chair of the House Intelligence Committee that broke the 2019 story of Trump’s attempt to extort Volodymyr Zelensky that led to Trump’s first impeachment.
Trump’s references to the “enemy from within” have become so frequent that former White House press secretary turned political analyst Jen Psaki has called them his closing argument for the 2024 election, and she warned that his construction of those who oppose him as “enemies” might sweep in virtually anyone he feels is a threat.
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Two of Trump’s promises, repeated endlessly with the emotional delivery that men tend to reserve for bar brawls, hew closely to this belief set: The vow to deport millions of immigrants; and the plan to curtail the world’s access to U.S. markets by raising tariffs — against imports from China, mainly, but also those from everywhere else.
How bad? Three economists — Warwick McKibbin of the Australian National University, along with Megan Hogan and Marcus Noland of the Peterson Institute for International Economics — fed Trump’s proposals into a multicountry economic model that is often used by central banks, government agencies and international institutions to assess scenarios and analyze policy.
They plugged in the deportation of 8.3 million unauthorized workersestimated to be toiling across the economy. They added a 60 percent tariff imposed on Chinese imports and a 10 percent tariff on imports from all other countries.
They added a third possible outcome that aligns well with Trump’s deep-seated desire for absolute power: that he would end the political independence of the Federal Reserve to steer interest rates and the dollar’s exchange rate to propel faster economic growth and terminate the nation’s trade deficit.
If Trump got all he asked for, the model said, the outcome would be pretty bad.
Trump could claim a “win”: The current account deficit — the broadest measure of the nation’s trade balance — would snap into a surplus, a longtime dream of the former president’s. But that would be wholly a product of capital fleeing the United States, starving the country’s economy of resources to purchase imports.
For everyday Americans, reality would become a nightmare: Trump’s plan would shrink the nation’s gross domestic product by $8 trillion over a second presidency, in today’s money. That is more than a quarter of the nation’s economic output in 2024. At the end of that term, prices would be about 25 percent higher. Employment would tank. The dollar would sink. Apocalyptic stuff.
What would have gone wrong? Standing annoyingly in the way of Trump’s MAGA dream is math.
Deporting 5 percent of the workforce would deliver a massive double whammy to the economy. It would boost inflation (through rising wages) even as it slowed growth by curbing consumer spending (immigrants are consumers) and investment as businesses with fewer workers to hire would invest less in themselves. This would ultimately cause deeper job losses.
The deportations alone would knock $6.4 trillion off American output over Trump’s term in office, according to the economists’ model. The additional tariffs would deal a bedraggled economy yet another blow. They would directly boost inflation by raising the price of imports (as well as that of the domestic goods that competed with them). But because the United States would need less foreign currency to pay for imports, the tariffs would also boost the dollar, curbing U.S. exports, too.
Other countries, moreover, would probably not take kindly to Trump’s tariffs and retaliate with tariffs of their own, blocking U.S. exports and further slowing economic growth in the United States.
Finally, curbing the Fed’s independence would deliver the coup de grâce. If Trump pushed rates down to goose growth, GDP and employment might get a short-term boost. But that growth would soon be eaten up by higher inflation. And, ominously, investors’ mistrust of a Trump-led Fed would surely spur substantial capital flight.
Maybe Trump can be prevented from doing some of this. Maybe he only manages to deport a couple million undocumented workers. Maybe he can’t easily raise tariffs on countries with which the United States has trade agreements. Taking away the Fed’s independence could get entangled in constitutional niceties.
But one should not assume that Trump will be easily deterred. After struggling with grown-ups in his first administration, it is unlikely he will bring many into a second. And congressional Republicans looking to get in Trump’s way will first have to find their spines.
Perhaps the ultimate irony is that the red-hat crowd that so reveres Trump will be punished the most by his plans. The MAGA contingent might think it’s okay to burn down the house to stick it to the liberal elites that populate blue coastal America. But it’s the homes of working-class Americans that will burn first. Tariffs, for one, are particularly harmful to the poor, who consume most of what they earn with little left over for savings. The rich pay the “tariff tax” on a much smaller share of their income.
And, so, the United States will have gotten back at the world — asserting its hegemony and making itself great again through an act of economic suicide.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/22/trump-economic-policy-depression-catastrophe/
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Perhaps the ultimate irony is that the red-hat crowd that so reveres Trump will be punished the most by his plans. The MAGA contingent might think it’s okay to burn down the house to stick it to the liberal elites that populate blue coastal America. But it’s the homes of working-class Americans that will burn first. Tariffs, for one, are particularly harmful to the poor, who consume most of what they earn with little left over for savings. The rich pay the “tariff tax” on a much smaller share of their income.
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And talk about the topic, NOT each other.
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And thank you Kat for the reminder that it is ok to state your opinion and not be attacked. Some of the liberal extremism is just as bad as the conservative extremism. And I am sorry, but any reference to Nazis is misplaced and offensive. The US is not at risk of a dictatorship or a military coup d'é·tat.
Do not hate me for being disenfranchised with the entire political process in our country. That does not mean I cannot appreciate or comprehend the consequences of either candidate being elected, the significance of war, the state of our veterans, the economy, or that I like one candidate over the other.
And for those of you that think I am coming from a high horse of comfort and security, I am not. 2024 was one of the hardest years I have had in my lifetime. Workforce reductions, increasing costs, decreasing benefits, and an IRS tax audit that will cost me thousands. I got a $12,000 bill for an emergency room trip in March after benefits from my so called excellent health insurance coverage that costs 3k a month (pre-tax). An old lady smashed into my car last week. Her insurance sucks because she is on a fixed income and can only afford the bare minimum in NY state. I might have to pay out of pocket (4K) and sue her and her insurance co for reimbursement. Oh and a giant 200 year old tree fell on my townhouse in January. From a neighbors property. Repairs just finished in August and now I am fighting with my insurance company for reimbursement of out of pocket costs in excess of $15,000. My daughter might get into a top 20 university with estimated annual costs of $90K in 2026. Is Trump or Kamala being elected going to help solve these "life problems?" This is what I meant by not really having skin the game. Either one could get elected and it will not really help me, so forgive me for being selfish. I respect all of your positions, and take them to heart. We all have different issues that hit home and that is why we have democracy and why we vote.
I will enjoy reading your comments as the election unfolds. Thanks for reminding me why this is not the right place to have a political discussion without being lambasted when having an opinion that may be different from yours.
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I am interested in hearing that if true. I believe Joe is a conservative but he usually asks the hard questions.
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I find he asks what I am thinking. This should be interesting either way.
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for harris.
because fuck trump and fuck maga. this all ends now.
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Hey. Oh.
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I expect it will be. Not that we will get any great answers. But maybe, just maybe, something more.
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