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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    2023
    Ignore ignorance and foolishness.
    Dont Take The Bait Thriveology

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  • jimjam1982
    jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,471
    bootleg said:
    Who prepped Biden for this debate?  Everyone knew going into that the only goal of this debate was for Biden to not seem old and feeble and that’s exactly how he came across.  None of the policy matters at this point so stop getting hung up on the details.  I’d still vote for Biden even if it was Weekend at Bernie’s type of situation before ever voting for Trump but my god pull it together.  There’s too much at stake.
    I'm confident 70% of america feels the other  way. There is way to much at stake to allow this senile decrepit bumbling old man lead us for 4 more years. Life was phenomenal 2016 to 2019. Let's get back to that
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    edited June 2024
    2023
    bootleg said:
    Who prepped Biden for this debate?  Everyone knew going into that the only goal of this debate was for Biden to not seem old and feeble and that’s exactly how he came across.  None of the policy matters at this point so stop getting hung up on the details.  I’d still vote for Biden even if it was Weekend at Bernie’s type of situation before ever voting for Trump but my god pull it together.  There’s too much at stake.

    I couldn't agree more, except this:  
    One thing that hasn't been mentioned much is that Biden was fighting a cold.  I knew within the first 15 seconds he was ill.  It was obvious.  I'm only (almost) 73 and when I'm not feeling well, it's gonna show.  But unless I'm really hammered, I show up to the plate.  Biden showed up to the plate.  Let's see what happens next time.  This is not a done deal either way.

    And for Gods sake (not you Bootleg), the few here who seem to think Trump is the better choice, if Trump wins, don't come whining to us about how screwed up this country will become.  I'm serious.  Not one single whining word. Besides, you'll be too busy trying to figure out why it is how fucked up yours and mine and all of our lives have gotten.  Only some of us already will have it easily figured out. 

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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    edited June 2024
    2023
    jimjam1982 said:
    bootleg said:
    Who prepped Biden for this debate?  Everyone knew going into that the only goal of this debate was for Biden to not seem old and feeble and that’s exactly how he came across.  None of the policy matters at this point so stop getting hung up on the details.  I’d still vote for Biden even if it was Weekend at Bernie’s type of situation before ever voting for Trump but my god pull it together.  There’s too much at stake.
    I'm confident 70% of america feels the other  way. There is way to much at stake to allow this senile decrepit bumbling old man lead us for 4 more years. Life was phenomenal 2016 to 2019. Let's get back to that
    Let's not.

    Your numbers are backward.  30% is a REACH for what Trizzy got left in the tank. He's not connected to reality.

    POLLS don't matter, only counted votes.

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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,221
    bootleg said:
    Who prepped Biden for this debate?  Everyone knew going into that the only goal of this debate was for Biden to not seem old and feeble and that’s exactly how he came across.  None of the policy matters at this point so stop getting hung up on the details.  I’d still vote for Biden even if it was Weekend at Bernie’s type of situation before ever voting for Trump but my god pull it together.  There’s too much at stake.
    There is too much at stake. Which is why instead of knowingly ignoring it and acting like it was a right wing fake talking point, the dems should’ve been prepping his replacement 2 years into his term. There’s nothing left for him to achieve. He’s done it all. No shame in that. 
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    2023
    When Donnie's REAL job (DEFENDANT) kicks in later today, SOME of you all will forget all about this...

    NOT IMMUNE

    Carry on.

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
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    jimjam1982 said:
    bootleg said:
    Who prepped Biden for this debate?  Everyone knew going into that the only goal of this debate was for Biden to not seem old and feeble and that’s exactly how he came across.  None of the policy matters at this point so stop getting hung up on the details.  I’d still vote for Biden even if it was Weekend at Bernie’s type of situation before ever voting for Trump but my god pull it together.  There’s too much at stake.
    I'm confident 70% of america feels the other  way. There is way to much at stake to allow this senile decrepit bumbling old man lead us for 4 more years. Life was phenomenal 2016 to 2019. Let's get back to that
    Phenomenal 😂 I guess you forget Covid happened 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
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    So I guess it’s not even worth voting now that the election has been settled the 🤡 piece of 💩 won the debate! I didn’t watch a single second of it but from all accounts Biden lost the election last night! 
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,407
    josevolution said:
    jimjam1982 said:
    bootleg said:
    Who prepped Biden for this debate?  Everyone knew going into that the only goal of this debate was for Biden to not seem old and feeble and that’s exactly how he came across.  None of the policy matters at this point so stop getting hung up on the details.  I’d still vote for Biden even if it was Weekend at Bernie’s type of situation before ever voting for Trump but my god pull it together.  There’s too much at stake.
    I'm confident 70% of america feels the other  way. There is way to much at stake to allow this senile decrepit bumbling old man lead us for 4 more years. Life was phenomenal 2016 to 2019. Let's get back to that
    Phenomenal 😂 I guess you forget Covid happened 
    Maybe they need some performance enhancing drugs to remember that Trump was president from 2017 - 2020, but hey, I don't expect a lot of honesty or cognitive ability from a die hard MAGA. I'll agree that 2016 was still pretty good though :wink:
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,408
    jimjam1982 said:
    bootleg said:
    Who prepped Biden for this debate?  Everyone knew going into that the only goal of this debate was for Biden to not seem old and feeble and that’s exactly how he came across.  None of the policy matters at this point so stop getting hung up on the details.  I’d still vote for Biden even if it was Weekend at Bernie’s type of situation before ever voting for Trump but my god pull it together.  There’s too much at stake.
    I'm confident 70% of america feels the other  way. There is way to much at stake to allow this senile decrepit bumbling old man lead us for 4 more years. Life was phenomenal 2016 to 2019. Let's get back to that

    yes the last year of Obama's presidential life was phenomenal. then fuckstick assumed office in Jan of 17
    in 2017 I got a decent refund from my tax return. Allowed to use transportation per diem and unreimbursed expenses for my wifes home office.

    in 18 and 19 I paid far more in taxes while being forced to claim 0 and at the single rate and filing seperately.

    The degree of anxiousness and what the fuck are they going to do next went away in Nov 2020 , even in the midst of the pandemic.


    find it interesting you left off his final year when he had ample opportunity to be the hero but gave us injecting bleach, shining a light up our ass and an anti-parasitic for a virus instead...
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  • mace1229
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    bootleg said:
    Who prepped Biden for this debate?  Everyone knew going into that the only goal of this debate was for Biden to not seem old and feeble and that’s exactly how he came across.  None of the policy matters at this point so stop getting hung up on the details.  I’d still vote for Biden even if it was Weekend at Bernie’s type of situation before ever voting for Trump but my god pull it together.  There’s too much at stake.
    A vote for Biden seems like a vote for Kamala at this point.
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    2023
    ANYfuckingONE is better than Trizzy.   

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
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    ikiT said:
    ANYfuckingONE is better than Trizzy.   


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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    2023
    THIS too

    https://instagram.com/p/C8wjW50Nj0c/embed/

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,408
    https://www.factcheck.org/2024/06/factchecking-the-biden-trump-debate/FactChecking the Biden-Trump Debate  In the first debate clash of the 2024 campaign, the two candidates unleashed a flurry of false and misleading statements.  By Robert Farley, Eugene Kiely, D'Angelo Gore, Jessica McDonald, Lori Robertson, Catalina Jaramillo, Saranac Hale Spencer and Alan Jaffe  Posted on June 28, 2024  Summary  The much-anticipated first debate of 2024 between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump featured a relentless barrage of false and misleading statements from the two candidates on immigration, the economy, abortion, taxes and more.      Both candidates erred on Social Security, with Biden incorrectly saying that Trump “wants to get rid” of the program, and Trump falsely alleging that Biden will “wipe out” Social Security due to the influx of people at the border.      Trump misleadingly claimed that he was “the one that got the insulin down for the seniors,” not Biden. Costs were lowered for some under a limited project by the Trump administration. Biden signed a law capping costs for all seniors with Medicare drug coverage.      Trump warned that Biden “wants to raise your taxes by four times,” but Biden has not proposed anything like that. Trump was also mostly wrong when he said Biden “wants the Trump tax cuts to expire.” Biden said he would extend them for anyone making under $400,000 a year.      Biden repeated his misleading claim that billionaires pay an average federal tax rate of 8%. That White House calculation factors in earnings on unsold stock as income.      Trump repeated his false claim that “everybody,” including all legal scholars, wanted to end Roe v. Wade’s constitutional right to abortion.      Trump falsely claimed that “the only jobs” Biden “created are for illegal immigrants and bounced back jobs that bounced back from the COVID.” Total nonfarm employment is higher than it was before the pandemic, as is the employment level of native-born workers.      Biden claimed that Trump oversaw the “largest deficit of any president,” while Trump countered that “we now have the largest deficit” under Biden. The largest budget deficit was under Trump in fiscal year 2020, but that was largely because of emergency spending due to COVID-19.      Biden misleadingly said that “Black unemployment is the lowest level it has been in a long, long time.” The rate reached a record low in April 2023, and it was low under Trump, too, until the pandemic.      Biden said Trump called U.S. veterans killed in World War I “suckers and losers,” which Trump called a “made up quote.” The Atlantic reported that, based on anonymous sources. A former Trump chief of staff later seemed to confirm Trump said it.      Trump claimed that Biden “caused the inflation,” but economists say rising inflation was mostly due to disruptions to the economy caused by the pandemic.      Trump grossly inflated the number of immigrants who have entered the country during the Biden administration — putting the number at 18 million to 20 million — and he said, without evidence, that many of them are from prisons and mental institutions.      Trump claimed that “we had the safest border in history” in the “final months” of his presidency. But apprehensions of those trying to cross illegally in the last three full months of his presidency were about 50% higher than in the three months before he took office.      Biden criticized Trump for presiding over a loss of jobs when he was president, but that loss occurred because of the COVID-19 pandemic.      Trump falsely claimed that “some states” run by Democrats allow abortions “after birth.” If it happened, it would be homicide, and that’s illegal.      Trump made the unsupported claim that the U.S. border with Mexico is “the most dangerous place in the world,” and suggested that it has opened the country to a violent crime wave. The data show a reduction in violent crime in the U.S.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,193
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    josevolution said:
    jimjam1982 said:
    bootleg said:
    Who prepped Biden for this debate?  Everyone knew going into that the only goal of this debate was for Biden to not seem old and feeble and that’s exactly how he came across.  None of the policy matters at this point so stop getting hung up on the details.  I’d still vote for Biden even if it was Weekend at Bernie’s type of situation before ever voting for Trump but my god pull it together.  There’s too much at stake.
    I'm confident 70% of america feels the other  way. There is way to much at stake to allow this senile decrepit bumbling old man lead us for 4 more years. Life was phenomenal 2016 to 2019. Let's get back to that
    Phenomenal 😂 I guess you forget Covid happened 
    Or that Obama was POTUS for one of those 3 years. Anyone remember Foxcon? Infrastructure week? How about healthcare better and cheaper and more beautiful than Obamacare? How about growth in GDP paying for those tax cuts? Phenomenal two years that was.
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  • cincybearcat
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    I mentioned earlier in this thread about being nervous of a Trump victory in 2024....after last night my concern level is up, way up.  I hope that the Sept debate happens AND that Biden can appear to be a living human being.  He needs it, can wipe this performance away if he can somehow manage it....but do you really think he can?

    We have trump who is one of the biggest threats to American democracy in some time...definitely my lifetime...and Biden is the best that can be done to fight it?  

    And while a debate should be about policy and data, etc....it rarely is.  But one liners can stick with people.  Biden had so many opportunities...softballs that trump threw up....and he is unable to think clearly on his feet in order to use it to attack.  I recall maybe 2x the entire debate.  But unfortunately the moment that will stick with me and many other is the rambling, incoherent mumbling, then silence and then Biden say 'we killed medicare'....with trumps reaction of, yup, you killed it, beat it to death.  Ugh, it was early in the debate and I never got over it, and I don't think Biden did either.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
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    Anyone else still think debates don't matter?

    Absolute nightmare scenario is playing out. 
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,407
    The Juggler said:
    Anyone else still think debates don't matter?

    Absolute nightmare scenario is playing out. 
    It's not the content of the debate, it's the appearance and Joe failed that small task of looking competent. Trump never is competent, but to some forcefule bluster and lies is a sufficient replacement for competence. Both suck. So then it comes down to who do I think is a better person that will serve the country and not their own interests; that's a no brainer.

    I'm hopeful we can someday get back to having a higher bar for president, but the last 10 years have been rough.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    The Juggler said:
    Anyone else still think debates don't matter?

    Absolute nightmare scenario is playing out. 
    I regrettably eat my words, Juggler. I still hold out a tiny glimmer of hope that maybe there's enough time between now and November to erase it, but Biden looked closer to dead than alive so I find it unlikely. This was fucking brutal - enough to make me worried about him not even making it until November.
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