---President Elect Musk and Convicted Felon Donald J Trump---

mickeyrat

mickeyrat said:

co-worker regularly listens to keith olbermanns podcast. olbermann claimed last night that a convicted felon cannot receive classified national security broefings....

cursory search to verify hasnt yielded anything yet to confirm.

suppose kinzinger would know....

https://www.threads.net/@adam_kinzinger/post/C7nBHBLRcPm/?xmt=AQGzL0CcZo_UDUEnQv0DQKejhnW9kRY4Mscw50dNhodWfg

mickeyrat

Halifax2TheMax

2023

Imagine, if you will, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama being convicted by a jury in a state court of 34 felonies and remaining the dem party front runner and nominee, having tens of millions supporters willing to vote for them and the ability to raise tens of millions of dollars, some from billionaires and a lot from every day, regular folks to run for a second term. Right, you can’t.

Good luck, ‘Murica.

Halifax2TheMax

2023

Merkin Baller

He should have taken the stand & cried like a baby. 

Gern Blansten

2023

Christ this tRump press conference is the stupidest thing I've ever heard...what a fucking moron

Glorified KC

Merkin Baller said:

He should have taken the stand & cried like a baby. 

I wish Kyle Rittenhouse had been (inappropriate comment removed by admin. Please see Posting Guidelines.)

Merkin Baller

Gern Blansten said:

Christ this tRump press conference is the stupidest thing I've ever heard...what a fucking moron

Batshit crazy. 

Halifax2TheMax

2023

Gern Blansten said:

Christ this tRump press conference is the stupidest thing I've ever heard...what a fucking moron

The Accordian Hands are working overtime and must get paid by the note.

shecky

In Trump trial there was no real crime but America just lost something it can never get back

There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the D.A.'s indictment

  By Gregg Jarrett Fox News

Published May 30, 2024 11:45pm EDT

Donald Trump did not lose on Thursday.  Our once venerated legal system did.  And, by extension, all Americans lost something precious.  Because the failure of justice is a failure of the people. 

The conviction of the former president in a Manhattan courtroom was preordained.  With the inexorable verdict, the ideals of a fair trial and an impartial jury faded into a figment of our Founders’ imaginations. They knew that the worst oppression is done by the color of law.  They feared it and tried to prevent it.  So, they, too, have lost.  

No reversal on appeal can erase the ugly stain. It is indelible. Ethical integrity, equal justice, and the revered rule of law became the fateful casualties of this assault on liberty. There was no real crime to be found.  Prosecutors simply invented one —an undefined conspiracy that was factually impossible and unsupported anywhere in the criminal codes.  

 The trial itself that stretched for five agonizing weeks seemed a mere formality, a hollow exercise.  A bookkeeping entry magically morphed from an expired misdemeanor to an active felony in the way that a porcupine is transmogrified into a prince.  

 At trial, the accused was never informed of his alleged felonious conduct. It was an egregious violation of his Sixth Amendment rights.  Jurors were then given a creative menu of three possibilities and informed that our cherished constitutional principle of unanimity had gone the way of the dodo.  We still don’t know —and may never know— what conspiracy Trump supposedly committed.  

District Attorney Alvin Bragg proved the English philosopher and jurist, Jeremy Bentham, correct.  "It is never the law itself that is in the wrong; it is always some wicked interpreter of the law that has corrupted and abused it."  

But Bragg did not act alone.  His accomplice and co-prosecutor, Judge Juan Merchan, blithely disregarded the established rules of evidence, manipulated standards of admissibility to favor the prosecution, sanctioned prejudicial testimony bereft of probative value, and helped engineer a wrongful conviction by depriving Trump of a full and legitimate defense to which he was entitled. Merchan did all of this without conscience or regret.   

There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the indictment. Facts were contrived or exaggerated.  Statutes were perverted or ignored.  The law enforcers became law-breakers.  Bragg’s scheme to exploit a pathological liar and convicted perjurer as his star witness was a devious maneuver by an unscrupulous prosecutor.

On cue, Cohen lied to the jury, just as he had lied to everyone else.  It was no surprise coming from a man who told Congress, "I have lied, but I am not a liar."  That is a twisted syllogism from an insufferable reprobate.  

The problem with liars is that, for them, truth has no meaning.  They are incapable of distinguishing fantasy from reality.  They lie to themselves about their own lies.  But that did not stop Bragg and his confederates from mining Cohen’s skills as an expert prevaricator in their relentless quest to convict Trump.  

Did they suborn perjury? Absolutely. They knew Cohen would lie. They wanted him to. He did not disappoint.  

Bragg never had authority to bring a case against Trump based on federal campaign finance violations, which appeared to be the centerpiece of his misbegotten case. That’s why he concealed it to the bitter end. A competent or unbiased judge would never have allowed it. Merchan was neither.  

The tragic coda to the Trump trial is that Americans can no longer trust our system of justice.  Faith has been squandered. If it can be weaponized against a former president, it can happen to any of us. We are all at risk.  

When a district attorney, who is a powerful force in government, abuses his position of trust to subvert the legal process, and when a judge acts in concert to dismantle the due process rights of the accused, our system of justice is threatened. Reverence to the rule of law is lost.

Merkin Baller

shecky said:

In Trump trial there was no real crime but America just lost something it can never get back

There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the D.A.'s indictment

  By Gregg Jarrett Fox News

Published May 30, 2024 11:45pm EDT

Donald Trump did not lose on Thursday.  

I hate to break it to you, Shecky, but he did lose yesterday..  

He lost bigly. 

Halifax2TheMax

2023

Merkin Baller said:

shecky said:

In Trump trial there was no real crime but America just lost something it can never get back

There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the D.A.'s indictment

  By Gregg Jarrett Fox News

Published May 30, 2024 11:45pm EDT

Donald Trump did not lose on Thursday.  

I hate to break it to you, Shecky, but he did lose yesterday..  

He lost bigly. 

Yea, and he's a convicted felon. 34Xs. CONVICTED FELON.

Halifax2TheMax

2023

Everything POOTWH is saying in his press conference, he could have said on the stand. FELON.

Glorified KC

I'm glad to see him convicted, but this trial came 2-3 years too late.  He's not going to serve jail time and can use the appeals process to push out any sentencing coming down on him for a while.  There are still enough dipshits who worship him to leave the Republicans to grease his rope and keep him as the face of their pathetic party.  It'll call come down to the independent/moderate vote just as it would have before the convictions. 

pjhawks

Glorified KC said:

I'm glad to see him convicted, but this trial came 2-3 years too late.  He's not going to serve jail time and can use the appeals process to push out any sentencing coming down on him for a while.  There are still enough dipshits who worship him to leave the Republicans to grease his rope and keep him as the face of their pathetic party.  It'll call come down to the independent/moderate vote just as it would have before the convictions. 

and these convictions will give independents and moderates more reason to not vote for him.   I don't get the notion that I hear some people say that this helps him.  How can it help him?  The cult is voting for him anyway. Is anyone now going to vote for him because he is a convicted felon?  Don't see that.  

Glorified KC

pjhawks said:

Glorified KC said:

I'm glad to see him convicted, but this trial came 2-3 years too late.  He's not going to serve jail time and can use the appeals process to push out any sentencing coming down on him for a while.  There are still enough dipshits who worship him to leave the Republicans to grease his rope and keep him as the face of their pathetic party.  It'll call come down to the independent/moderate vote just as it would have before the convictions. 

and these convictions will give independents and moderates more reason to not vote for him.   I don't get the notion that I hear some people say that this helps him.  How can it help him?  The cult is voting for him anyway. Is anyone now going to vote for him because he is a convicted felon?  Don't see that.  

I hope you're right, but you also have RFK Jr. stealing votes.  Biden hasn't really won over the middle during his term.  If this trial had come in a year not being an election year, I could see this affecting more people on the fence with November on the horizon.  I'm worried Trump's campaign and those who suck him off will be able to convince enough people this is just a ploy to interfere with his campaign.

benjs

shecky said:

In Trump trial there was no real crime but America just lost something it can never get back

There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the D.A.'s indictment

  By Gregg Jarrett Fox News

Published May 30, 2024 11:45pm EDT

Donald Trump did not lose on Thursday.  Our once venerated legal system did.  And, by extension, all Americans lost something precious.  Because the failure of justice is a failure of the people. 

The conviction of the former president in a Manhattan courtroom was preordained.  With the inexorable verdict, the ideals of a fair trial and an impartial jury faded into a figment of our Founders’ imaginations. They knew that the worst oppression is done by the color of law.  They feared it and tried to prevent it.  So, they, too, have lost.  

No reversal on appeal can erase the ugly stain. It is indelible. Ethical integrity, equal justice, and the revered rule of law became the fateful casualties of this assault on liberty. There was no real crime to be found.  Prosecutors simply invented one —an undefined conspiracy that was factually impossible and unsupported anywhere in the criminal codes.  

 The trial itself that stretched for five agonizing weeks seemed a mere formality, a hollow exercise.  A bookkeeping entry magically morphed from an expired misdemeanor to an active felony in the way that a porcupine is transmogrified into a prince.  

 At trial, the accused was never informed of his alleged felonious conduct. It was an egregious violation of his Sixth Amendment rights.  Jurors were then given a creative menu of three possibilities and informed that our cherished constitutional principle of unanimity had gone the way of the dodo.  We still don’t know —and may never know— what conspiracy Trump supposedly committed.  

District Attorney Alvin Bragg proved the English philosopher and jurist, Jeremy Bentham, correct.  "It is never the law itself that is in the wrong; it is always some wicked interpreter of the law that has corrupted and abused it."  

But Bragg did not act alone.  His accomplice and co-prosecutor, Judge Juan Merchan, blithely disregarded the established rules of evidence, manipulated standards of admissibility to favor the prosecution, sanctioned prejudicial testimony bereft of probative value, and helped engineer a wrongful conviction by depriving Trump of a full and legitimate defense to which he was entitled. Merchan did all of this without conscience or regret.   

There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the indictment. Facts were contrived or exaggerated.  Statutes were perverted or ignored.  The law enforcers became law-breakers.  Bragg’s scheme to exploit a pathological liar and convicted perjurer as his star witness was a devious maneuver by an unscrupulous prosecutor.

On cue, Cohen lied to the jury, just as he had lied to everyone else.  It was no surprise coming from a man who told Congress, "I have lied, but I am not a liar."  That is a twisted syllogism from an insufferable reprobate.  

The problem with liars is that, for them, truth has no meaning.  They are incapable of distinguishing fantasy from reality.  They lie to themselves about their own lies.  But that did not stop Bragg and his confederates from mining Cohen’s skills as an expert prevaricator in their relentless quest to convict Trump.  

Did they suborn perjury? Absolutely. They knew Cohen would lie. They wanted him to. He did not disappoint.  

Bragg never had authority to bring a case against Trump based on federal campaign finance violations, which appeared to be the centerpiece of his misbegotten case. That’s why he concealed it to the bitter end. A competent or unbiased judge would never have allowed it. Merchan was neither.  

The tragic coda to the Trump trial is that Americans can no longer trust our system of justice.  Faith has been squandered. If it can be weaponized against a former president, it can happen to any of us. We are all at risk.  

When a district attorney, who is a powerful force in government, abuses his position of trust to subvert the legal process, and when a judge acts in concert to dismantle the due process rights of the accused, our system of justice is threatened. Reverence to the rule of law is lost.

Man, do you guys ever drink the Kool-Aid. Gregg Jarrett, author of "Witch Hunt" and "The Russia Hoax" just does what every Republican does - shut your own brains off and think what the orange men tells you to.

Glorified KC

pjhawks said:

Glorified KC said:

I'm glad to see him convicted, but this trial came 2-3 years too late.  He's not going to serve jail time and can use the appeals process to push out any sentencing coming down on him for a while.  There are still enough dipshits who worship him to leave the Republicans to grease his rope and keep him as the face of their pathetic party.  It'll call come down to the independent/moderate vote just as it would have before the convictions. 

and these convictions will give independents and moderates more reason to not vote for him.   I don't get the notion that I hear some people say that this helps him.  How can it help him?  The cult is voting for him anyway. Is anyone now going to vote for him because he is a convicted felon?  Don't see that.  

Also I don't think this helps him, I just don't believe it's going to impact the vote enough to have those wanting him out of office not clinching their butt cheeks when the votes are counted in November and then we have another "steal the election" bull shit put our democracy at risk.

Halifax2TheMax

2023

How much Adderall did POOTWH sniff this morning? Fundraising plea. Grabbing black belts by the neck. Open borders. Languages we've never heard before. unknown languages. Many of them are not good people. Record numbers of terrorists coming in. 2019 was a POOTWH year. Highest level we've ever seen of terrorists coming in. Beautiful tents. Camp stoves. Cell phones. Chinese Army. I don't mind doing whatever I have to do to save our country. Stop MAGA. Our country is in serious trouble. We're 36 trillion dollars. Venezuela. Their prisons have been emptied. Congo. Congo has emptied their prisons and sending them to America. Unpleasant thing but a great honor. A rigged draft. Remember November 5th. Hook finally comes out.

Halifax2TheMax

2023

shecky said:

In Trump trial there was no real crime but America just lost something it can never get back

There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the D.A.'s indictment

  By Gregg Jarrett Fox News

Published May 30, 2024 11:45pm EDT

Donald Trump did not lose on Thursday.  Our once venerated legal system did.  And, by extension, all Americans lost something precious.  Because the failure of justice is a failure of the people. 

The conviction of the former president in a Manhattan courtroom was preordained.  With the inexorable verdict, the ideals of a fair trial and an impartial jury faded into a figment of our Founders’ imaginations. They knew that the worst oppression is done by the color of law.  They feared it and tried to prevent it.  So, they, too, have lost.  

No reversal on appeal can erase the ugly stain. It is indelible. Ethical integrity, equal justice, and the revered rule of law became the fateful casualties of this assault on liberty. There was no real crime to be found.  Prosecutors simply invented one —an undefined conspiracy that was factually impossible and unsupported anywhere in the criminal codes.  

 The trial itself that stretched for five agonizing weeks seemed a mere formality, a hollow exercise.  A bookkeeping entry magically morphed from an expired misdemeanor to an active felony in the way that a porcupine is transmogrified into a prince.  

 At trial, the accused was never informed of his alleged felonious conduct. It was an egregious violation of his Sixth Amendment rights.  Jurors were then given a creative menu of three possibilities and informed that our cherished constitutional principle of unanimity had gone the way of the dodo.  We still don’t know —and may never know— what conspiracy Trump supposedly committed.  

District Attorney Alvin Bragg proved the English philosopher and jurist, Jeremy Bentham, correct.  "It is never the law itself that is in the wrong; it is always some wicked interpreter of the law that has corrupted and abused it."  

But Bragg did not act alone.  His accomplice and co-prosecutor, Judge Juan Merchan, blithely disregarded the established rules of evidence, manipulated standards of admissibility to favor the prosecution, sanctioned prejudicial testimony bereft of probative value, and helped engineer a wrongful conviction by depriving Trump of a full and legitimate defense to which he was entitled. Merchan did all of this without conscience or regret.   

There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the indictment. Facts were contrived or exaggerated.  Statutes were perverted or ignored.  The law enforcers became law-breakers.  Bragg’s scheme to exploit a pathological liar and convicted perjurer as his star witness was a devious maneuver by an unscrupulous prosecutor.

On cue, Cohen lied to the jury, just as he had lied to everyone else.  It was no surprise coming from a man who told Congress, "I have lied, but I am not a liar."  That is a twisted syllogism from an insufferable reprobate.  

The problem with liars is that, for them, truth has no meaning.  They are incapable of distinguishing fantasy from reality.  They lie to themselves about their own lies.  But that did not stop Bragg and his confederates from mining Cohen’s skills as an expert prevaricator in their relentless quest to convict Trump.  

Did they suborn perjury? Absolutely. They knew Cohen would lie. They wanted him to. He did not disappoint.  

Bragg never had authority to bring a case against Trump based on federal campaign finance violations, which appeared to be the centerpiece of his misbegotten case. That’s why he concealed it to the bitter end. A competent or unbiased judge would never have allowed it. Merchan was neither.  

The tragic coda to the Trump trial is that Americans can no longer trust our system of justice.  Faith has been squandered. If it can be weaponized against a former president, it can happen to any of us. We are all at risk.  

When a district attorney, who is a powerful force in government, abuses his position of trust to subvert the legal process, and when a judge acts in concert to dismantle the due process rights of the accused, our system of justice is threatened. Reverence to the rule of law is lost.

Ah, hey Greg? Not if you don't falsify business records. Pretty simple. Don't commit a crime, don't have to interact with our criminal justice system. Surely, you realize this, eh Greg?

Are people this stupid?