It really is bizarre. For the eighth time in nine presidential elections since 1988, the Republican candidate failed to obtain 50 percent of the popular vote. Where are all the thinkpieces asking why Republicans have so much difficulty appealing to a majority of the electorate?
The fact of the matter is that we have a closely divided electorate. Obama's 53-46 win is probably about as much of a landslide as is possible under current conditions. Republicans are going to end up with 49.8 or 49.9 percent of the 2024 presidential vote and about 50.5 percent of the aggregate House vote. That's enough to win, but they would be wise to pay attention to the repeated lessons of the 21st century. Overread your "mandate" and the voters will turn on you in the next election, as they did on Bush in 2006, Obama in 2010, Trump in 2018 and Biden in 2022 (yes, Republicans won back the House majority in 2022 despite the common mischaracterization that the Democrats "won" in 2022-- they defeated expectations, but expectations are made up; they lost what matters, a majority of House seats).
If we had a parliamentary system, Republicans and Democrats would each probably get around 45-46 percent of the vote and one of them would have to cobble together a governing coalition with minor parties. Under our dumb system, you don't even need to get 50 percent of the aggregate House vote to be the majority party. And the Senate is even dumber. Two senators for Wyoming's 600,000 people and two senators for California's 40 million. Two senators for Vermont's 750,000 people and two senators for Texas' 30 million.)
I remember in the 1990s within the 10 total minutes I spent listening to Rush Limbaugh, he ripped Clinton for not having 50% of the popular vote (which was obviously driven by Ross Perot, when no such third-party presence had been there for the Reagan/Bush wins). I suspect he stopped talking about that in 2000.
I was a dittohead and bought two of his books. It is interesting to think that he will be remembered for nothing. Yet trump gave him the medal of freedom.
I neither know nor care what he'll be remembered for. That said, I kind of consider him the grandfather of our current political climate. From the little that I heard (and I guess you'd know more than I) his entire schtick was whining about and villainizing the left/Dems/libs. And now that's pretty much the entire "news" that a huge chunk of the country gets.
Yeah that was it. He just had a really good radio presence. He was funny and not really evil like he became to be later in life. The schtick had to get more aggressive to keep people interested. He gave birth to the Mark Levin style of idiocy.
Ha....Gern, as a young teenager, I used to watch Limbaugh's show back then too. I think my parents got me his book as a xmas gift.
BFS is right---there is no mandate by Trump. The guy has run three times and has never gotten more than 50% of the vote. There is no reason to build a cabinet made up of the most partisan unqualified dopes imaginable...yet here we are.
I am curious what the 49.9% will say in the near future when they realize the price of their bacon continued to rise or that we wound in a massive recession.
I also have an autographed copy of Under Fire, Oliver North's book....lol
but I was 23 or so back in 1991...I'm an old fart
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It really is bizarre. For the eighth time in nine presidential elections since 1988, the Republican candidate failed to obtain 50 percent of the popular vote. Where are all the thinkpieces asking why Republicans have so much difficulty appealing to a majority of the electorate?
The fact of the matter is that we have a closely divided electorate. Obama's 53-46 win is probably about as much of a landslide as is possible under current conditions. Republicans are going to end up with 49.8 or 49.9 percent of the 2024 presidential vote and about 50.5 percent of the aggregate House vote. That's enough to win, but they would be wise to pay attention to the repeated lessons of the 21st century. Overread your "mandate" and the voters will turn on you in the next election, as they did on Bush in 2006, Obama in 2010, Trump in 2018 and Biden in 2022 (yes, Republicans won back the House majority in 2022 despite the common mischaracterization that the Democrats "won" in 2022-- they defeated expectations, but expectations are made up; they lost what matters, a majority of House seats).
If we had a parliamentary system, Republicans and Democrats would each probably get around 45-46 percent of the vote and one of them would have to cobble together a governing coalition with minor parties. Under our dumb system, you don't even need to get 50 percent of the aggregate House vote to be the majority party. And the Senate is even dumber. Two senators for Wyoming's 600,000 people and two senators for California's 40 million. Two senators for Vermont's 750,000 people and two senators for Texas' 30 million.)
I remember in the 1990s within the 10 total minutes I spent listening to Rush Limbaugh, he ripped Clinton for not having 50% of the popular vote (which was obviously driven by Ross Perot, when no such third-party presence had been there for the Reagan/Bush wins). I suspect he stopped talking about that in 2000.
I was a dittohead and bought two of his books. It is interesting to think that he will be remembered for nothing. Yet trump gave him the medal of freedom.
I neither know nor care what he'll be remembered for. That said, I kind of consider him the grandfather of our current political climate. From the little that I heard (and I guess you'd know more than I) his entire schtick was whining about and villainizing the left/Dems/libs. And now that's pretty much the entire "news" that a huge chunk of the country gets.
Yeah that was it. He just had a really good radio presence. He was funny and not really evil like he became to be later in life. The schtick had to get more aggressive to keep people interested. He gave birth to the Mark Levin style of idiocy.
Ha....Gern, as a young teenager, I used to watch Limbaugh's show back then too. I think my parents got me his book as a xmas gift.
BFS is right---there is no mandate by Trump. The guy has run three times and has never gotten more than 50% of the vote. There is no reason to build a cabinet made up of the most partisan unqualified dopes imaginable...yet here we are.
I am curious what the 49.9% will say in the near future when they realize the price of their bacon continued to rise or that we wound in a massive recession.
his idiot supporters will believe whatever he says. so a mandate it is!!
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It really is bizarre. For the eighth time in nine presidential elections since 1988, the Republican candidate failed to obtain 50 percent of the popular vote. Where are all the thinkpieces asking why Republicans have so much difficulty appealing to a majority of the electorate?
The fact of the matter is that we have a closely divided electorate. Obama's 53-46 win is probably about as much of a landslide as is possible under current conditions. Republicans are going to end up with 49.8 or 49.9 percent of the 2024 presidential vote and about 50.5 percent of the aggregate House vote. That's enough to win, but they would be wise to pay attention to the repeated lessons of the 21st century. Overread your "mandate" and the voters will turn on you in the next election, as they did on Bush in 2006, Obama in 2010, Trump in 2018 and Biden in 2022 (yes, Republicans won back the House majority in 2022 despite the common mischaracterization that the Democrats "won" in 2022-- they defeated expectations, but expectations are made up; they lost what matters, a majority of House seats).
If we had a parliamentary system, Republicans and Democrats would each probably get around 45-46 percent of the vote and one of them would have to cobble together a governing coalition with minor parties. Under our dumb system, you don't even need to get 50 percent of the aggregate House vote to be the majority party. And the Senate is even dumber. Two senators for Wyoming's 600,000 people and two senators for California's 40 million. Two senators for Vermont's 750,000 people and two senators for Texas' 30 million.)
I remember in the 1990s within the 10 total minutes I spent listening to Rush Limbaugh, he ripped Clinton for not having 50% of the popular vote (which was obviously driven by Ross Perot, when no such third-party presence had been there for the Reagan/Bush wins). I suspect he stopped talking about that in 2000.
I was a dittohead and bought two of his books. It is interesting to think that he will be remembered for nothing. Yet trump gave him the medal of freedom.
I neither know nor care what he'll be remembered for. That said, I kind of consider him the grandfather of our current political climate. From the little that I heard (and I guess you'd know more than I) his entire schtick was whining about and villainizing the left/Dems/libs. And now that's pretty much the entire "news" that a huge chunk of the country gets.
Yeah that was it. He just had a really good radio presence. He was funny and not really evil like he became to be later in life. The schtick had to get more aggressive to keep people interested. He gave birth to the Mark Levin style of idiocy.
Ha....Gern, as a young teenager, I used to watch Limbaugh's show back then too. I think my parents got me his book as a xmas gift.
BFS is right---there is no mandate by Trump. The guy has run three times and has never gotten more than 50% of the vote. There is no reason to build a cabinet made up of the most partisan unqualified dopes imaginable...yet here we are.
I am curious what the 49.9% will say in the near future when they realize the price of their bacon continued to rise or that we wound in a massive recession.
It will be the fault of Biden and Harris. Just ask anyone. His perfect policies surely could never be at fault.
It really is bizarre. For the eighth time in nine presidential elections since 1988, the Republican candidate failed to obtain 50 percent of the popular vote. Where are all the thinkpieces asking why Republicans have so much difficulty appealing to a majority of the electorate?
The fact of the matter is that we have a closely divided electorate. Obama's 53-46 win is probably about as much of a landslide as is possible under current conditions. Republicans are going to end up with 49.8 or 49.9 percent of the 2024 presidential vote and about 50.5 percent of the aggregate House vote. That's enough to win, but they would be wise to pay attention to the repeated lessons of the 21st century. Overread your "mandate" and the voters will turn on you in the next election, as they did on Bush in 2006, Obama in 2010, Trump in 2018 and Biden in 2022 (yes, Republicans won back the House majority in 2022 despite the common mischaracterization that the Democrats "won" in 2022-- they defeated expectations, but expectations are made up; they lost what matters, a majority of House seats).
If we had a parliamentary system, Republicans and Democrats would each probably get around 45-46 percent of the vote and one of them would have to cobble together a governing coalition with minor parties. Under our dumb system, you don't even need to get 50 percent of the aggregate House vote to be the majority party. And the Senate is even dumber. Two senators for Wyoming's 600,000 people and two senators for California's 40 million. Two senators for Vermont's 750,000 people and two senators for Texas' 30 million.)
I remember in the 1990s within the 10 total minutes I spent listening to Rush Limbaugh, he ripped Clinton for not having 50% of the popular vote (which was obviously driven by Ross Perot, when no such third-party presence had been there for the Reagan/Bush wins). I suspect he stopped talking about that in 2000.
I was a dittohead and bought two of his books. It is interesting to think that he will be remembered for nothing. Yet trump gave him the medal of freedom.
I neither know nor care what he'll be remembered for. That said, I kind of consider him the grandfather of our current political climate. From the little that I heard (and I guess you'd know more than I) his entire schtick was whining about and villainizing the left/Dems/libs. And now that's pretty much the entire "news" that a huge chunk of the country gets.
Yeah that was it. He just had a really good radio presence. He was funny and not really evil like he became to be later in life. The schtick had to get more aggressive to keep people interested. He gave birth to the Mark Levin style of idiocy.
Ha....Gern, as a young teenager, I used to watch Limbaugh's show back then too. I think my parents got me his book as a xmas gift.
BFS is right---there is no mandate by Trump. The guy has run three times and has never gotten more than 50% of the vote. There is no reason to build a cabinet made up of the most partisan unqualified dopes imaginable...yet here we are.
I am curious what the 49.9% will say in the near future when they realize the price of their bacon continued to rise or that we wound in a massive recession.
his idiot supporters will believe whatever he says. so a mandate it is!!
Correct... they'll blame who they're told to blame, and won't question it.
It really is bizarre. For the eighth time in nine presidential elections since 1988, the Republican candidate failed to obtain 50 percent of the popular vote. Where are all the thinkpieces asking why Republicans have so much difficulty appealing to a majority of the electorate?
The fact of the matter is that we have a closely divided electorate. Obama's 53-46 win is probably about as much of a landslide as is possible under current conditions. Republicans are going to end up with 49.8 or 49.9 percent of the 2024 presidential vote and about 50.5 percent of the aggregate House vote. That's enough to win, but they would be wise to pay attention to the repeated lessons of the 21st century. Overread your "mandate" and the voters will turn on you in the next election, as they did on Bush in 2006, Obama in 2010, Trump in 2018 and Biden in 2022 (yes, Republicans won back the House majority in 2022 despite the common mischaracterization that the Democrats "won" in 2022-- they defeated expectations, but expectations are made up; they lost what matters, a majority of House seats).
If we had a parliamentary system, Republicans and Democrats would each probably get around 45-46 percent of the vote and one of them would have to cobble together a governing coalition with minor parties. Under our dumb system, you don't even need to get 50 percent of the aggregate House vote to be the majority party. And the Senate is even dumber. Two senators for Wyoming's 600,000 people and two senators for California's 40 million. Two senators for Vermont's 750,000 people and two senators for Texas' 30 million.)
I remember in the 1990s within the 10 total minutes I spent listening to Rush Limbaugh, he ripped Clinton for not having 50% of the popular vote (which was obviously driven by Ross Perot, when no such third-party presence had been there for the Reagan/Bush wins). I suspect he stopped talking about that in 2000.
I was a dittohead and bought two of his books. It is interesting to think that he will be remembered for nothing. Yet trump gave him the medal of freedom.
I neither know nor care what he'll be remembered for. That said, I kind of consider him the grandfather of our current political climate. From the little that I heard (and I guess you'd know more than I) his entire schtick was whining about and villainizing the left/Dems/libs. And now that's pretty much the entire "news" that a huge chunk of the country gets.
Yeah that was it. He just had a really good radio presence. He was funny and not really evil like he became to be later in life. The schtick had to get more aggressive to keep people interested. He gave birth to the Mark Levin style of idiocy.
Ha....Gern, as a young teenager, I used to watch Limbaugh's show back then too. I think my parents got me his book as a xmas gift.
BFS is right---there is no mandate by Trump. The guy has run three times and has never gotten more than 50% of the vote. There is no reason to build a cabinet made up of the most partisan unqualified dopes imaginable...yet here we are.
I am curious what the 49.9% will say in the near future when they realize the price of their bacon continued to rise or that we wound in a massive recession.
It will be the fault of Biden and Harris. Just ask anyone. His perfect policies surely could never be at fault.
1000% - they will never realize they've been scammed.
It really is bizarre. For the eighth time in nine presidential elections since 1988, the Republican candidate failed to obtain 50 percent of the popular vote. Where are all the thinkpieces asking why Republicans have so much difficulty appealing to a majority of the electorate?
The fact of the matter is that we have a closely divided electorate. Obama's 53-46 win is probably about as much of a landslide as is possible under current conditions. Republicans are going to end up with 49.8 or 49.9 percent of the 2024 presidential vote and about 50.5 percent of the aggregate House vote. That's enough to win, but they would be wise to pay attention to the repeated lessons of the 21st century. Overread your "mandate" and the voters will turn on you in the next election, as they did on Bush in 2006, Obama in 2010, Trump in 2018 and Biden in 2022 (yes, Republicans won back the House majority in 2022 despite the common mischaracterization that the Democrats "won" in 2022-- they defeated expectations, but expectations are made up; they lost what matters, a majority of House seats).
If we had a parliamentary system, Republicans and Democrats would each probably get around 45-46 percent of the vote and one of them would have to cobble together a governing coalition with minor parties. Under our dumb system, you don't even need to get 50 percent of the aggregate House vote to be the majority party. And the Senate is even dumber. Two senators for Wyoming's 600,000 people and two senators for California's 40 million. Two senators for Vermont's 750,000 people and two senators for Texas' 30 million.)
I remember in the 1990s within the 10 total minutes I spent listening to Rush Limbaugh, he ripped Clinton for not having 50% of the popular vote (which was obviously driven by Ross Perot, when no such third-party presence had been there for the Reagan/Bush wins). I suspect he stopped talking about that in 2000.
I was a dittohead and bought two of his books. It is interesting to think that he will be remembered for nothing. Yet trump gave him the medal of freedom.
I neither know nor care what he'll be remembered for. That said, I kind of consider him the grandfather of our current political climate. From the little that I heard (and I guess you'd know more than I) his entire schtick was whining about and villainizing the left/Dems/libs. And now that's pretty much the entire "news" that a huge chunk of the country gets.
Yeah that was it. He just had a really good radio presence. He was funny and not really evil like he became to be later in life. The schtick had to get more aggressive to keep people interested. He gave birth to the Mark Levin style of idiocy.
Ha....Gern, as a young teenager, I used to watch Limbaugh's show back then too. I think my parents got me his book as a xmas gift.
BFS is right---there is no mandate by Trump. The guy has run three times and has never gotten more than 50% of the vote. There is no reason to build a cabinet made up of the most partisan unqualified dopes imaginable...yet here we are.
I am curious what the 49.9% will say in the near future when they realize the price of their bacon continued to rise or that we wound in a massive recession.
To you last sentence, I would say that they clearly don't care and won't care. There doesn't seem to be an actual interest in whether any of the stuff Trump said will actually happen. Many only seem to care that their person won. They don't care about his character, the character of his cabinet or if any of them will improve their lives. They like what he said he'd do and approve of these non-traditional picks because these are the people Trump needs around him to carry out some of his extreme agenda items. In 4 years, they'll just vote for which ever person yells louder about exaggerated issues. It will just be harder for the incumbent party to separate themselves from the mess he's going to create. I expect that the dems will sweep back all branches in 2028 as long as they go through a rigorous primary to nominate a strong candidate and SCOTUS doesn't uphold some new exception that fucks up things.
It's a hopeless situation...
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The thing about Trump followers and the whole MAGA thing, is that I don't even think of it as a wholly political ideology. Maybe I am wrong, but to me the way I have seen people gravitate to it makes me think more of a sports team. Where I live, Trump signs have never left people's yards since 2016, and I see his hats and bumper stickers all over the place. In a way, to me it seems not much different than the Cubs or Cardinals stuff I see everywhere as far as broadcasting your support, hoping to fit in and gain acceptance from the people around you. Some people want a sense of belonging and to show everyone that they are part of the clique. They may not agree with or believe in every promise he makes, but they will mostly likely overlook the shady and questionable stuff to continue to be part of the "winning team".
It really is bizarre. For the eighth time in nine presidential elections since 1988, the Republican candidate failed to obtain 50 percent of the popular vote. Where are all the thinkpieces asking why Republicans have so much difficulty appealing to a majority of the electorate?
The fact of the matter is that we have a closely divided electorate. Obama's 53-46 win is probably about as much of a landslide as is possible under current conditions. Republicans are going to end up with 49.8 or 49.9 percent of the 2024 presidential vote and about 50.5 percent of the aggregate House vote. That's enough to win, but they would be wise to pay attention to the repeated lessons of the 21st century. Overread your "mandate" and the voters will turn on you in the next election, as they did on Bush in 2006, Obama in 2010, Trump in 2018 and Biden in 2022 (yes, Republicans won back the House majority in 2022 despite the common mischaracterization that the Democrats "won" in 2022-- they defeated expectations, but expectations are made up; they lost what matters, a majority of House seats).
If we had a parliamentary system, Republicans and Democrats would each probably get around 45-46 percent of the vote and one of them would have to cobble together a governing coalition with minor parties. Under our dumb system, you don't even need to get 50 percent of the aggregate House vote to be the majority party. And the Senate is even dumber. Two senators for Wyoming's 600,000 people and two senators for California's 40 million. Two senators for Vermont's 750,000 people and two senators for Texas' 30 million.)
I remember in the 1990s within the 10 total minutes I spent listening to Rush Limbaugh, he ripped Clinton for not having 50% of the popular vote (which was obviously driven by Ross Perot, when no such third-party presence had been there for the Reagan/Bush wins). I suspect he stopped talking about that in 2000.
I was a dittohead and bought two of his books. It is interesting to think that he will be remembered for nothing. Yet trump gave him the medal of freedom.
I neither know nor care what he'll be remembered for. That said, I kind of consider him the grandfather of our current political climate. From the little that I heard (and I guess you'd know more than I) his entire schtick was whining about and villainizing the left/Dems/libs. And now that's pretty much the entire "news" that a huge chunk of the country gets.
Yeah that was it. He just had a really good radio presence. He was funny and not really evil like he became to be later in life. The schtick had to get more aggressive to keep people interested. He gave birth to the Mark Levin style of idiocy.
Ha....Gern, as a young teenager, I used to watch Limbaugh's show back then too. I think my parents got me his book as a xmas gift.
BFS is right---there is no mandate by Trump. The guy has run three times and has never gotten more than 50% of the vote. There is no reason to build a cabinet made up of the most partisan unqualified dopes imaginable...yet here we are.
I am curious what the 49.9% will say in the near future when they realize the price of their bacon continued to rise or that we wound in a massive recession.
To you last sentence, I would say that they clearly don't care and won't care. There doesn't seem to be an actual interest in whether any of the stuff Trump said will actually happen. Many only seem to care that their person won. They don't care about his character, the character of his cabinet or if any of them will improve their lives. They like what he said he'd do and approve of these non-traditional picks because these are the people Trump needs around him to carry out some of his extreme agenda items. In 4 years, they'll just vote for which ever person yells louder about exaggerated issues. It will just be harder for the incumbent party to separate themselves from the mess he's going to create. I expect that the dems will sweep back all branches in 2028 as long as they go through a rigorous primary to nominate a strong candidate and SCOTUS doesn't uphold some new exception that fucks up things.
yeah that's why we just need trump to serve his term then get the fuck out...I just don't see another politician being able to get away with this shit.
I'm not sure if it is strictly a social media thing or what exactly. The electorate won't get any smarter...but his ability to lead this cult is unmatched.
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It really is bizarre. For the eighth time in nine presidential elections since 1988, the Republican candidate failed to obtain 50 percent of the popular vote. Where are all the thinkpieces asking why Republicans have so much difficulty appealing to a majority of the electorate?
The fact of the matter is that we have a closely divided electorate. Obama's 53-46 win is probably about as much of a landslide as is possible under current conditions. Republicans are going to end up with 49.8 or 49.9 percent of the 2024 presidential vote and about 50.5 percent of the aggregate House vote. That's enough to win, but they would be wise to pay attention to the repeated lessons of the 21st century. Overread your "mandate" and the voters will turn on you in the next election, as they did on Bush in 2006, Obama in 2010, Trump in 2018 and Biden in 2022 (yes, Republicans won back the House majority in 2022 despite the common mischaracterization that the Democrats "won" in 2022-- they defeated expectations, but expectations are made up; they lost what matters, a majority of House seats).
If we had a parliamentary system, Republicans and Democrats would each probably get around 45-46 percent of the vote and one of them would have to cobble together a governing coalition with minor parties. Under our dumb system, you don't even need to get 50 percent of the aggregate House vote to be the majority party. And the Senate is even dumber. Two senators for Wyoming's 600,000 people and two senators for California's 40 million. Two senators for Vermont's 750,000 people and two senators for Texas' 30 million.)
I remember in the 1990s within the 10 total minutes I spent listening to Rush Limbaugh, he ripped Clinton for not having 50% of the popular vote (which was obviously driven by Ross Perot, when no such third-party presence had been there for the Reagan/Bush wins). I suspect he stopped talking about that in 2000.
I was a dittohead and bought two of his books. It is interesting to think that he will be remembered for nothing. Yet trump gave him the medal of freedom.
I neither know nor care what he'll be remembered for. That said, I kind of consider him the grandfather of our current political climate. From the little that I heard (and I guess you'd know more than I) his entire schtick was whining about and villainizing the left/Dems/libs. And now that's pretty much the entire "news" that a huge chunk of the country gets.
Yeah that was it. He just had a really good radio presence. He was funny and not really evil like he became to be later in life. The schtick had to get more aggressive to keep people interested. He gave birth to the Mark Levin style of idiocy.
Ha....Gern, as a young teenager, I used to watch Limbaugh's show back then too. I think my parents got me his book as a xmas gift.
BFS is right---there is no mandate by Trump. The guy has run three times and has never gotten more than 50% of the vote. There is no reason to build a cabinet made up of the most partisan unqualified dopes imaginable...yet here we are.
I am curious what the 49.9% will say in the near future when they realize the price of their bacon continued to rise or that we wound in a massive recession.
To you last sentence, I would say that they clearly don't care and won't care. There doesn't seem to be an actual interest in whether any of the stuff Trump said will actually happen. Many only seem to care that their person won. They don't care about his character, the character of his cabinet or if any of them will improve their lives. They like what he said he'd do and approve of these non-traditional picks because these are the people Trump needs around him to carry out some of his extreme agenda items. In 4 years, they'll just vote for which ever person yells louder about exaggerated issues. It will just be harder for the incumbent party to separate themselves from the mess he's going to create. I expect that the dems will sweep back all branches in 2028 as long as they go through a rigorous primary to nominate a strong candidate and SCOTUS doesn't uphold some new exception that fucks up things.
yeah that's why we just need trump to serve his term then get the fuck out...I just don't see another politician being able to get away with this shit.
I'm not sure if it is strictly a social media thing or what exactly. The electorate won't get any smarter...but his ability to lead this cult is unmatched.
1. famous 2. bigot 3. stupid
mix em all together and you TOO could lead your own cult! it's not hard, and you don't need to be smart.
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It really is bizarre. For the eighth time in nine presidential elections since 1988, the Republican candidate failed to obtain 50 percent of the popular vote. Where are all the thinkpieces asking why Republicans have so much difficulty appealing to a majority of the electorate?
The fact of the matter is that we have a closely divided electorate. Obama's 53-46 win is probably about as much of a landslide as is possible under current conditions. Republicans are going to end up with 49.8 or 49.9 percent of the 2024 presidential vote and about 50.5 percent of the aggregate House vote. That's enough to win, but they would be wise to pay attention to the repeated lessons of the 21st century. Overread your "mandate" and the voters will turn on you in the next election, as they did on Bush in 2006, Obama in 2010, Trump in 2018 and Biden in 2022 (yes, Republicans won back the House majority in 2022 despite the common mischaracterization that the Democrats "won" in 2022-- they defeated expectations, but expectations are made up; they lost what matters, a majority of House seats).
If we had a parliamentary system, Republicans and Democrats would each probably get around 45-46 percent of the vote and one of them would have to cobble together a governing coalition with minor parties. Under our dumb system, you don't even need to get 50 percent of the aggregate House vote to be the majority party. And the Senate is even dumber. Two senators for Wyoming's 600,000 people and two senators for California's 40 million. Two senators for Vermont's 750,000 people and two senators for Texas' 30 million.)
I remember in the 1990s within the 10 total minutes I spent listening to Rush Limbaugh, he ripped Clinton for not having 50% of the popular vote (which was obviously driven by Ross Perot, when no such third-party presence had been there for the Reagan/Bush wins). I suspect he stopped talking about that in 2000.
I was a dittohead and bought two of his books. It is interesting to think that he will be remembered for nothing. Yet trump gave him the medal of freedom.
I neither know nor care what he'll be remembered for. That said, I kind of consider him the grandfather of our current political climate. From the little that I heard (and I guess you'd know more than I) his entire schtick was whining about and villainizing the left/Dems/libs. And now that's pretty much the entire "news" that a huge chunk of the country gets.
Yeah that was it. He just had a really good radio presence. He was funny and not really evil like he became to be later in life. The schtick had to get more aggressive to keep people interested. He gave birth to the Mark Levin style of idiocy.
Ha....Gern, as a young teenager, I used to watch Limbaugh's show back then too. I think my parents got me his book as a xmas gift.
BFS is right---there is no mandate by Trump. The guy has run three times and has never gotten more than 50% of the vote. There is no reason to build a cabinet made up of the most partisan unqualified dopes imaginable...yet here we are.
I am curious what the 49.9% will say in the near future when they realize the price of their bacon continued to rise or that we wound in a massive recession.
To you last sentence, I would say that they clearly don't care and won't care. There doesn't seem to be an actual interest in whether any of the stuff Trump said will actually happen. Many only seem to care that their person won. They don't care about his character, the character of his cabinet or if any of them will improve their lives. They like what he said he'd do and approve of these non-traditional picks because these are the people Trump needs around him to carry out some of his extreme agenda items. In 4 years, they'll just vote for which ever person yells louder about exaggerated issues. It will just be harder for the incumbent party to separate themselves from the mess he's going to create. I expect that the dems will sweep back all branches in 2028 as long as they go through a rigorous primary to nominate a strong candidate and SCOTUS doesn't uphold some new exception that fucks up things.
yeah that's why we just need trump to serve his term then get the fuck out...I just don't see another politician being able to get away with this shit.
I'm not sure if it is strictly a social media thing or what exactly. The electorate won't get any smarter...but his ability to lead this cult is unmatched.
1. famous 2. bigot 3. stupid
mix em all together and you TOO could lead your own cult! it's not hard, and you don't need to be smart.
I feel like it just takes a special person to lie at this level. He lies about everything. His wealth is a farce. He has zero ideas about policy, etc. It's just a big fucking act.
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The thing about Trump followers and the whole MAGA thing, is that I don't even think of it as a wholly political ideology. Maybe I am wrong, but to me the way I have seen people gravitate to it makes me think more of a sports team. Where I live, Trump signs have never left people's yards since 2016, and I see his hats and bumper stickers all over the place. In a way, to me it seems not much different than the Cubs or Cardinals stuff I see everywhere as far as broadcasting your support, hoping to fit in and gain acceptance from the people around you. Some people want a sense of belonging and to show everyone that they are part of the clique. They may not agree with or believe in every promise he makes, but they will mostly likely overlook the shady and questionable stuff to continue to be part of the "winning team".
I think this is pretty accurate from what I see around me too. The flags and signs that never come down. These people found a way to project their identity to others who are like minded and it makes them feel good to know they aren't alone. They need Trump for that and that's why it's like a cult. To be clear, that is not all Trump voters, but there is a base that represents that contingent and they are the far right lost souls.
The rest of them, for whatever reason, think Trump is going to deliver on the things they value at this point in time. They don't want to be accountable to censorship for shitty behavior because they think the left has gone too far with things like the "Me Too" movement, racial equity, police accountability, fact checking, etc. They're afraid they'll get swept up in an accusation that could cost them their job or social status because of something they said or did last week, last year or 20 years ago. Trump sheds allegations and criminal charges like a snake losing its skin and they identify with wanting to be able to move past their shitty moments without it costing them anything personally. That's obviously a pretty universal desire among all populations. We want to be forgiven, we want it to go away and we want to be allowed to move on, but not every action/behavior is as simple as a sorry. That is why the rule of law is in place. We can't allow these things to simply be pushed down because of wealth, their job title or social status. Unfortunately that does seem to be acceptable to many and even the highest court has granted exception that we've yet to see the limits of. It's unfortunate and yet the reality that as a society, we've haven't yet overwhelmingly agreed to a higher level of human decency. Maybe some day we will get there.
Convicted Felon title will always be attached to him till he goes bye bye same with president President Trump Convicted Felon of the United States of America?
Yep, just like all the rape fantasies, Russian collusions, impeachments, insurrections and election interference.The TDS runs as wild as Hulkamania. Be amazing if one day he is sentenced to anything.
He was found civilly liable for rape. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that this did not happen, or that the two dozen women who've accused him of sexual assault are all lying, or that he was literally caught on tape bragging about groping women without their consent, but you should really be better than that.
He was convicted in the one criminal case that went to trial. The documents case is as cut-and-dried as it gets. He, again, is on tape asking the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" the precise number of votes he needed to win a state to enable him to steal an election that he lost. All of these things happened. They are not fantasies. Pretending that they didn't is truly deranged.
Literally no evidence, no rape kit. Just told 2 friends after watching a Law & Order episode that had the exact same story from a department store with the exact name. 2 dozen accusers and couldn’t produce any evidence to convict of rape. All that magically came forward when he decided to run for President. What are the odds? It’s a rape fantasy only the TDS radical left believe. He’s not going to jail, when you come to grips with that you will feel better.
I am not on the left, let alone the radical left. People who talk about the "TDS radical left" expose themselves as the actual radicals. You are oddly willing to give the benefit of the doubt to this serial adulterer, philanderer and inveterate liar, who has literally bragged about getting away with this sort of behavior. Do you also believe him when he claims that he never had sex with Stormy Daniels? Why do you feel the need to run interference for this creep?
Why do you think I would feel better that someone who committed a series of crimes will get away with it? Do you believe in the rule of law or do you not? "Justice for thee and not for me," eh? Continue to bury your head in the sand while this grifter fleeces the American public, including you, for another four years. He does not care about you. He would sleep with your wife or call her ugly if she resisted his advances. And you'd ask for his autograph. The truest thing he ever said is that he could shoot someone in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue and his people would still support him. He knows you're a mark. Do you?
Convicted Felon title will always be attached to him till he goes bye bye same with president President Trump Convicted Felon of the United States of America?
Yep, just like all the rape fantasies, Russian collusions, impeachments, insurrections and election interference.The TDS runs as wild as Hulkamania. Be amazing if one day he is sentenced to anything.
He was found civilly liable for rape. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that this did not happen, or that the two dozen women who've accused him of sexual assault are all lying, or that he was literally caught on tape bragging about groping women without their consent, but you should really be better than that.
He was convicted in the one criminal case that went to trial. The documents case is as cut-and-dried as it gets. He, again, is on tape asking the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" the precise number of votes he needed to win a state to enable him to steal an election that he lost. All of these things happened. They are not fantasies. Pretending that they didn't is truly deranged.
Literally no evidence, no rape kit. Just told 2 friends after watching a Law & Order episode that had the exact same story from a department store with the exact name. 2 dozen accusers and couldn’t produce any evidence to convict of rape. All that magically came forward when he decided to run for President. What are the odds? It’s a rape fantasy only the TDS radical left believe. He’s not going to jail, when you come to grips with that you will feel better.
Bullshit spin spin it anyway you want! You voted for a rapist it’s better to just own dude you’ll feel better! I don’t give a fuck if he ever goes to jail what’s in the record books can’t be erased not even if he wanted to use a sharpie to write I’m not a rapist 😃 I don’t vote for rapist!
Show some evidence on who he raped? You voted for an unqualified DEI loser anointed by Goege Clooney. #rapefantasy
You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "evidence." An accusation of specific behavior is evidence. A series of accusations of specific behavior is evidence. An admission of general behavior by the accused is evidence.
Convicted Felon title will always be attached to him till he goes bye bye same with president President Trump Convicted Felon of the United States of America?
Yep, just like all the rape fantasies, Russian collusions, impeachments, insurrections and election interference.The TDS runs as wild as Hulkamania. Be amazing if one day he is sentenced to anything.
He was found civilly liable for rape. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that this did not happen, or that the two dozen women who've accused him of sexual assault are all lying, or that he was literally caught on tape bragging about groping women without their consent, but you should really be better than that.
He was convicted in the one criminal case that went to trial. The documents case is as cut-and-dried as it gets. He, again, is on tape asking the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" the precise number of votes he needed to win a state to enable him to steal an election that he lost. All of these things happened. They are not fantasies. Pretending that they didn't is truly deranged.
Literally no evidence, no rape kit. Just told 2 friends after watching a Law & Order episode that had the exact same story from a department store with the exact name. 2 dozen accusers and couldn’t produce any evidence to convict of rape. All that magically came forward when he decided to run for President. What are the odds? It’s a rape fantasy only the TDS radical left believe. He’s not going to jail, when you come to grips with that you will feel better.
Bullshit spin spin it anyway you want! You voted for a rapist it’s better to just own dude you’ll feel better! I don’t give a fuck if he ever goes to jail what’s in the record books can’t be erased not even if he wanted to use a sharpie to write I’m not a rapist 😃 I don’t vote for rapist!
Show some evidence on who he raped? You voted for an unqualified DEI loser anointed by Goege Clooney. #rapefantasy
Don’t have to it’s all in the court transcript for ever don’t get twisted like I said just own it you voted for a rapist once you do that you’ll feel better! You can look over at your wife or daughter and be proud that you voted for a sexual predator! Enjoy the golden age when women had no voice if a woman got assaulted or raped back in the golden 50’s or 60’s or 70’s they were and still looked at by cops as the ones that are culpable for it! Even today cops look at rape victims as questionable! I know this because my wife is a forensic nurse that collects evidence from rape victims and she deals with cops and detectives processing rape kits..
So no DNA evidence or convictions? Cool. In your fantasies, rapists don’t serve jail time? And can win Presidential elections by a landslide? You should start a new Series ….. maybe A Moving Train SVU. You really have a great imagination and it would make for some really good TV episodes. Maybe contact Dick Wolf the producer and pitch some of these.
Um, what landslide? He has run three times and has yet to get 50 percent of the votes cast. He will win the popular vote by about 1.5 points. It is one of the smallest margins in history. (And his electoral-vote margin is not large by historical standards, and is irrelevant to any measurement of what the American public believes.)
Convicted Felon title will always be attached to him till he goes bye bye same with president President Trump Convicted Felon of the United States of America?
Yep, just like all the rape fantasies, Russian collusions, impeachments, insurrections and election interference.The TDS runs as wild as Hulkamania. Be amazing if one day he is sentenced to anything.
He was found civilly liable for rape. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that this did not happen, or that the two dozen women who've accused him of sexual assault are all lying, or that he was literally caught on tape bragging about groping women without their consent, but you should really be better than that.
He was convicted in the one criminal case that went to trial. The documents case is as cut-and-dried as it gets. He, again, is on tape asking the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" the precise number of votes he needed to win a state to enable him to steal an election that he lost. All of these things happened. They are not fantasies. Pretending that they didn't is truly deranged.
Literally no evidence, no rape kit. Just told 2 friends after watching a Law & Order episode that had the exact same story from a department store with the exact name. 2 dozen accusers and couldn’t produce any evidence to convict of rape. All that magically came forward when he decided to run for President. What are the odds? It’s a rape fantasy only the TDS radical left believe. He’s not going to jail, when you come to grips with that you will feel better.
Bullshit spin spin it anyway you want! You voted for a rapist it’s better to just own dude you’ll feel better! I don’t give a fuck if he ever goes to jail what’s in the record books can’t be erased not even if he wanted to use a sharpie to write I’m not a rapist 😃 I don’t vote for rapist!
Show some evidence on who he raped? You voted for an unqualified DEI loser anointed by Goege Clooney. #rapefantasy
Don’t have to it’s all in the court transcript for ever don’t get twisted like I said just own it you voted for a rapist once you do that you’ll feel better! You can look over at your wife or daughter and be proud that you voted for a sexual predator! Enjoy the golden age when women had no voice if a woman got assaulted or raped back in the golden 50’s or 60’s or 70’s they were and still looked at by cops as the ones that are culpable for it! Even today cops look at rape victims as questionable! I know this because my wife is a forensic nurse that collects evidence from rape victims and she deals with cops and detectives processing rape kits..
So no DNA evidence or convictions? Cool. In your fantasies, rapists don’t serve jail time? And can win Presidential elections by a landslide? You should start a new Series ….. maybe A Moving Train SVU. You really have a great imagination and it would make for some really good TV episodes. Maybe contact Dick Wolf the producer and pitch some of these.
Just own it it’s like therapy you’ll feel better! Don’t get mad! He barely got 50% of the popular vote.. always remember me I’m the one WHO DOESN’T VOTE FOR RAPIST! No matter what or how much $$$ they promise to trickle down to us peasants! I’d rather be poor than stand with a piece of 💩💩 like your boy! Have a great day 😀
For the record, he almost certainly did not get 50 percent of the popular vote. Current totals have him at 49.88 percent.
Convicted Felon title will always be attached to him till he goes bye bye same with president President Trump Convicted Felon of the United States of America?
Yep, just like all the rape fantasies, Russian collusions, impeachments, insurrections and election interference.The TDS runs as wild as Hulkamania. Be amazing if one day he is sentenced to anything.
He was found civilly liable for rape. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that this did not happen, or that the two dozen women who've accused him of sexual assault are all lying, or that he was literally caught on tape bragging about groping women without their consent, but you should really be better than that.
He was convicted in the one criminal case that went to trial. The documents case is as cut-and-dried as it gets. He, again, is on tape asking the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" the precise number of votes he needed to win a state to enable him to steal an election that he lost. All of these things happened. They are not fantasies. Pretending that they didn't is truly deranged.
Literally no evidence, no rape kit. Just told 2 friends after watching a Law & Order episode that had the exact same story from a department store with the exact name. 2 dozen accusers and couldn’t produce any evidence to convict of rape. All that magically came forward when he decided to run for President. What are the odds? It’s a rape fantasy only the TDS radical left believe. He’s not going to jail, when you come to grips with that you will feel better.
Bullshit spin spin it anyway you want! You voted for a rapist it’s better to just own dude you’ll feel better! I don’t give a fuck if he ever goes to jail what’s in the record books can’t be erased not even if he wanted to use a sharpie to write I’m not a rapist 😃 I don’t vote for rapist!
Show some evidence on who he raped? You voted for an unqualified DEI loser anointed by Goege Clooney. #rapefantasy
Don’t have to it’s all in the court transcript for ever don’t get twisted like I said just own it you voted for a rapist once you do that you’ll feel better! You can look over at your wife or daughter and be proud that you voted for a sexual predator! Enjoy the golden age when women had no voice if a woman got assaulted or raped back in the golden 50’s or 60’s or 70’s they were and still looked at by cops as the ones that are culpable for it! Even today cops look at rape victims as questionable! I know this because my wife is a forensic nurse that collects evidence from rape victims and she deals with cops and detectives processing rape kits..
So no DNA evidence or convictions? Cool. In your fantasies, rapists don’t serve jail time? And can win Presidential elections by a landslide? You should start a new Series ….. maybe A Moving Train SVU. You really have a great imagination and it would make for some really good TV episodes. Maybe contact Dick Wolf the producer and pitch some of these.
You know he fucking did it. The Access Hollywood tape spells out very succinctly what his method is.
You chose to ignore all of that and voted for the piece of shit. Who cares...you got what you wanted.
I’ve said it a few times on here, but Democrats need to realize that character is not a voter’s top issue anymore, and on the Trump side it doesn’t even make the list.
So what? Should Democrats run con men and criminals for office? Some of the people they run will turn out to be con men (e.g., John Edwards) and criminals (e.g., Bob Menendez), but that doesn't mean you should give up trying to elect people with integrity and respect for the rule of law.
Look, Democrats got about 48.3 percent of the vote for president. They also got about 47.7 percent of the aggregate House vote. In 2020, the presidential race was 51.3-46.8 for the Ds. This time, it will end up something like 49.8-48.3 for the Rs. That is a three-point swing. It is not a tectonic shift. It only appears that way because the country is so closely divided, and a three-point swing in a closely divided race changes the outcome. The Democrats should not throw out the baby with the bathwater by abandoning principles that appealed to essentially half the country to appeal to the three percent of voters in the middle who swung from one party to the other. This was a race with a candidate who had no particularly strong case to be president other than that she was not Trump (which, in a decent world, would be enough) and who was saddled with the record of an unpopular incumbent, and she still came very close to winning. A quarter-million votes in three states would have changed the outcome. Some soul-searching is always good for a political party after a defeat, but the press should stop asking why Ds have "lost the support of the American people." They haven't. They have lost the support of half of the American people. So have the Rs. Welcome to our 50/50 country. You lose three percent of the people in the middle and you lose the election. If the Rs overreach, they'll swing back in 2026, just as they did in 2006 to the Ds, 2010 to the Rs, 2018 to the Ds and 2022 to the Rs.
Convicted Felon title will always be attached to him till he goes bye bye same with president President Trump Convicted Felon of the United States of America?
Yep, just like all the rape fantasies, Russian collusions, impeachments, insurrections and election interference.The TDS runs as wild as Hulkamania. Be amazing if one day he is sentenced to anything.
He was found civilly liable for rape. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that this did not happen, or that the two dozen women who've accused him of sexual assault are all lying, or that he was literally caught on tape bragging about groping women without their consent, but you should really be better than that.
He was convicted in the one criminal case that went to trial. The documents case is as cut-and-dried as it gets. He, again, is on tape asking the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" the precise number of votes he needed to win a state to enable him to steal an election that he lost. All of these things happened. They are not fantasies. Pretending that they didn't is truly deranged.
Literally no evidence, no rape kit. Just told 2 friends after watching a Law & Order episode that had the exact same story from a department store with the exact name. 2 dozen accusers and couldn’t produce any evidence to convict of rape. All that magically came forward when he decided to run for President. What are the odds? It’s a rape fantasy only the TDS radical left believe. He’s not going to jail, when you come to grips with that you will feel better.
I am not on the left, let alone the radical left. People who talk about the "TDS radical left" expose themselves as the actual radicals. You are oddly willing to give the benefit of the doubt to this serial adulterer, philanderer and inveterate liar, who has literally bragged about getting away with this sort of behavior. Do you also believe him when he claims that he never had sex with Stormy Daniels? Why do you feel the need to run interference for this creep?
Why do you think I would feel better that someone who committed a series of crimes will get away with it? Do you believe in the rule of law or do you not? "Justice for thee and not for me," eh? Continue to bury your head in the sand while this grifter fleeces the American public, including you, for another four years. He does not care about you. He would sleep with your wife or call her ugly if she resisted his advances. And you'd ask for his autograph. The truest thing he ever said is that he could shoot someone in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue and his people would still support him. He knows you're a mark. Do you?
Jeez dude, relax, or you're going to have a very unpleasant next four years! Thankfully, JD Vance's eight years as President will be much more fun for you. Enjoy!
It really is bizarre. For the eighth time in nine presidential elections since 1988, the Republican candidate failed to obtain 50 percent of the popular vote. Where are all the thinkpieces asking why Republicans have so much difficulty appealing to a majority of the electorate?
The fact of the matter is that we have a closely divided electorate. Obama's 53-46 win is probably about as much of a landslide as is possible under current conditions. Republicans are going to end up with 49.8 or 49.9 percent of the 2024 presidential vote and about 50.5 percent of the aggregate House vote. That's enough to win, but they would be wise to pay attention to the repeated lessons of the 21st century. Overread your "mandate" and the voters will turn on you in the next election, as they did on Bush in 2006, Obama in 2010, Trump in 2018 and Biden in 2022 (yes, Republicans won back the House majority in 2022 despite the common mischaracterization that the Democrats "won" in 2022-- they defeated expectations, but expectations are made up; they lost what matters, a majority of House seats).
If we had a parliamentary system, Republicans and Democrats would each probably get around 45-46 percent of the vote and one of them would have to cobble together a governing coalition with minor parties. Under our dumb system, you don't even need to get 50 percent of the aggregate House vote to be the majority party. And the Senate is even dumber. Two senators for Wyoming's 600,000 people and two senators for California's 40 million. Two senators for Vermont's 750,000 people and two senators for Texas' 30 million.)
I remember in the 1990s within the 10 total minutes I spent listening to Rush Limbaugh, he ripped Clinton for not having 50% of the popular vote (which was obviously driven by Ross Perot, when no such third-party presence had been there for the Reagan/Bush wins). I suspect he stopped talking about that in 2000.
I was a dittohead and bought two of his books. It is interesting to think that he will be remembered for nothing. Yet trump gave him the medal of freedom.
I neither know nor care what he'll be remembered for. That said, I kind of consider him the grandfather of our current political climate. From the little that I heard (and I guess you'd know more than I) his entire schtick was whining about and villainizing the left/Dems/libs. And now that's pretty much the entire "news" that a huge chunk of the country gets.
Yeah that was it. He just had a really good radio presence. He was funny and not really evil like he became to be later in life. The schtick had to get more aggressive to keep people interested. He gave birth to the Mark Levin style of idiocy.
Ha....Gern, as a young teenager, I used to watch Limbaugh's show back then too. I think my parents got me his book as a xmas gift.
BFS is right---there is no mandate by Trump. The guy has run three times and has never gotten more than 50% of the vote. There is no reason to build a cabinet made up of the most partisan unqualified dopes imaginable...yet here we are.
I am curious what the 49.9% will say in the near future when they realize the price of their bacon continued to rise or that we wound in a massive recession.
his idiot supporters will believe whatever he says. so a mandate it is!!
I remember my brother, who became a hard-core Bush supporter after the September 11 attacks and who supports Trump now, literally choked up crying with offense when Obama suggested that he had a mandate to try to fulfill his campaign promises after he won by seven points in 2008. My brother didn't seem to have any problem when George W. Bush declared after his re-election in 2004 that he had "political capital and intended to spend it."
It really is bizarre. For the eighth time in nine presidential elections since 1988, the Republican candidate failed to obtain 50 percent of the popular vote. Where are all the thinkpieces asking why Republicans have so much difficulty appealing to a majority of the electorate?
The fact of the matter is that we have a closely divided electorate. Obama's 53-46 win is probably about as much of a landslide as is possible under current conditions. Republicans are going to end up with 49.8 or 49.9 percent of the 2024 presidential vote and about 50.5 percent of the aggregate House vote. That's enough to win, but they would be wise to pay attention to the repeated lessons of the 21st century. Overread your "mandate" and the voters will turn on you in the next election, as they did on Bush in 2006, Obama in 2010, Trump in 2018 and Biden in 2022 (yes, Republicans won back the House majority in 2022 despite the common mischaracterization that the Democrats "won" in 2022-- they defeated expectations, but expectations are made up; they lost what matters, a majority of House seats).
If we had a parliamentary system, Republicans and Democrats would each probably get around 45-46 percent of the vote and one of them would have to cobble together a governing coalition with minor parties. Under our dumb system, you don't even need to get 50 percent of the aggregate House vote to be the majority party. And the Senate is even dumber. Two senators for Wyoming's 600,000 people and two senators for California's 40 million. Two senators for Vermont's 750,000 people and two senators for Texas' 30 million.)
I remember in the 1990s within the 10 total minutes I spent listening to Rush Limbaugh, he ripped Clinton for not having 50% of the popular vote (which was obviously driven by Ross Perot, when no such third-party presence had been there for the Reagan/Bush wins). I suspect he stopped talking about that in 2000.
I was a dittohead and bought two of his books. It is interesting to think that he will be remembered for nothing. Yet trump gave him the medal of freedom.
I neither know nor care what he'll be remembered for. That said, I kind of consider him the grandfather of our current political climate. From the little that I heard (and I guess you'd know more than I) his entire schtick was whining about and villainizing the left/Dems/libs. And now that's pretty much the entire "news" that a huge chunk of the country gets.
Yeah that was it. He just had a really good radio presence. He was funny and not really evil like he became to be later in life. The schtick had to get more aggressive to keep people interested. He gave birth to the Mark Levin style of idiocy.
Ha....Gern, as a young teenager, I used to watch Limbaugh's show back then too. I think my parents got me his book as a xmas gift.
BFS is right---there is no mandate by Trump. The guy has run three times and has never gotten more than 50% of the vote. There is no reason to build a cabinet made up of the most partisan unqualified dopes imaginable...yet here we are.
I am curious what the 49.9% will say in the near future when they realize the price of their bacon continued to rise or that we wound in a massive recession.
To you last sentence, I would say that they clearly don't care and won't care. There doesn't seem to be an actual interest in whether any of the stuff Trump said will actually happen. Many only seem to care that their person won. They don't care about his character, the character of his cabinet or if any of them will improve their lives. They like what he said he'd do and approve of these non-traditional picks because these are the people Trump needs around him to carry out some of his extreme agenda items. In 4 years, they'll just vote for which ever person yells louder about exaggerated issues. It will just be harder for the incumbent party to separate themselves from the mess he's going to create. I expect that the dems will sweep back all branches in 2028 as long as they go through a rigorous primary to nominate a strong candidate and SCOTUS doesn't uphold some new exception that fucks up things.
The first chance to take back the House is in 2026, not 2028. Trump made headway with people who don't vote regularly. A lot of those people will not even be aware that every seat in the House is up for election in 2026. Republicans have 50.74 percent of the aggregate 2024 House vote at present. The party of the incumbent president typically faces major headwinds in the midterm election, and they don't have a large majority they are starting from.
‘Difference Is Trump’: American Homebuyers Brace for Rate Pain
Jarrell Dillard, Prashant Gopal and Maria Clara Cobo
Wed, November 20, 2024 at 8:00 AM EST
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‘Difference Is Trump’: American Homebuyers Brace for Rate Pain
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(Bloomberg) -- Before Donald Trump’s election, Redfin Corp. projected mortgage rates would average 6.1% next year. But three days after the election, they revised their estimate upward to 6.8% – basically unchanged from today’s high levels.
“The difference is Trump,” said Daryl Fairweather, chief economist at Redfin. “The market seems to be pricing in that he’ll move forward with at least some of the tariffs, but it’s really hard to know what Trump is going to do.”
It’s another hit for the housing market that’s been dealing with a rise in borrowing costs that’s pushed at least one measure of mortgage rates above 7%. Economists expecting higher-for-longer borrowing costs shows just how tough the market is likely to be for homebuyers trying to find affordable options.
“There was a view that rates would gradually fall, but that no longer seems to be the case,” said Thomas Ryan, North America economist at Capital Economics. “As a result, the housing market is going to stay frozen — as it is — for longer than we and other economists had expected.”
While the stock market rallied the day after Trump’s victory, the bond market has reacted with more trepidation given how tariffs and other policies might impact inflation. After the election, Barclays Plc economists raised their inflation projections for the next two years and lowered their outlook for economic growth, due to tariffs and potential immigration restrictions.
Trump’s proposal for an up to 20% tariff on all imports, and an even higher 60% tariff on Chinese goods, is one of the major causes of uncertainty. Economists have said this could lead to inflation as companies would likely pass on those cost increases to consumers. If he also imposes tax cuts, that could lower fiscal revenue and drive up the US deficit, pushing long-term rates even higher.
Some economists have also warned that Trump’s plan to deport millions of undocumented immigrants could further exacerbate the nation’s housing shortage. If Trump’s policies lead to an even smaller labor force for the construction industry, it would make it difficult to build new homes and make costs even more expensive.
“We need labor,” said Nadia Evangelou, senior economist at the National Association of Realtors. “Sometimes homebuilders are not able to deliver affordable homes, or the price point that people can afford to buy. And the reason is because of the labor shortage.”
Trump’s impacts on the economy will likely influence how the Federal Reserve proceeds. And while the Fed’s decisions on short-term interest rates do not directly set mortgage rates, monetary policy does have some influence. Mortgage rates closely follow yields on 10-year Treasuries, and are affected by market expectations for inflation and economic growth.
Capital Economics expects higher rates to be another “setback” for buyers and cause a home-sale recovery to be even shallower than expected. Mortgage rates will likely stay high around 7% in 2024 and drop only a quarter point by the end of 2025, according to Capital Economics’ Ryan.
The Takeout
“There’s a general consensus that the net effect of Trump’s policies will be inflationary,” Ryan said. “That’s what’s driving changes in the bond market at the moment.”
Other economists have also dialed back their mortgage-rate expectations. Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, predicts 30-year fixed mortgage rates will now remain around 7%.
“I don’t think I’d count on mortgage rates coming down anytime until next fall, later next year,” Zandi said. “And even then, I’m not sure. It really depends on what his policies are, how aggressively he pursues them.”
Forging Ahead
For buyers, the picture remains a little uncertain. High borrowing costs have weighed on shoppers, fueling a drop in contracts to buy previously owned homes in October, according to Redfin.
While prices held up in October, homes stayed a median of 41 days on the market, about a week longer than a year ago, according to Redfin. If higher borrowing costs slow the market even more, that could help spur more deals for buyers.
For now, election uncertainty has cleared, giving some consumers more confidence to forge ahead. Erica Diaz, an agent with Homevest in Florida, said her business has seen a significant increase in both potential buyers and sellers since the election.
Malvin Le, a real estate agent based in Orange County, California, said his phone lit up immediately after the election with a few buyers ready to go shopping again.
“The day after the election, I got three or four calls from buyers who wanted to see a house that weekend,” Le said. “There are still buyers waiting to buy, they’re just waiting for a good deal.”
MSCMA (FNGR)! MAKE STUFF COST MORE AGAIN (FOR NO GOOD REASON)!
A running list of companies preparing to raise prices if Trump's trade plan is enacted
Ayelet Sheffey
Tue, November 19, 2024 at 9:55 AM EST
4 min read
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President-elect Donald Trump proposed broad tariffs on imports, including up to 60% on goods from China.
Economists say his proposals could spike inflation as companies tend to pass costs on to shoppers.
Some companies have already said increased tariffs would lead them to raise prices.
Some executives have warned that price hikes are on the way if President-elect Donald Trump's trade plans go into effect.
On the campaign trail, Trump proposed a 60% tariff on goods imported from China coupled with a 10% to 20% tariff on goods imported from other countries. While the president-elect could choose not to enact tariffs at that scale once he assumes office, economists and the market have predicted that his proposals would spike inflation and cause the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates.
Several companies have already begun responding to Trump's election victory and the implications his tariff proposals would have on the costs of their goods. Executives have told analysts on earnings calls that it would be difficult to maintain current prices under Trump's broad tariffs.
Other companies are still waiting for more information from the president-elect. Tarang Amin, the CEO of ELF Beauty, told Business Insider that the company must first see the policy Trump enacts before making any changes to its pricing and that a new policy wouldn't affect the business until after its 2025 fiscal year.
"We don't like tariffs because they are a tax on the American people," Amin said, adding that the company had been subject to a 25% tariff since 2019 because of policies from Trump's first term. "And at that time," he said, "we pulled all the levers available to us to minimize the effects to our company and our community."
Karoline Leavitt, a Trump-Vance transition spokeswoman, told BI: "In his first term, President Trump instituted tariffs against China that created jobs, spurred investment, and resulted in no inflation." She added that Trump will "work quickly" to lower taxes and create more American jobs.
Below are the companies that are warning of price increases if Trump's tariff proposals are implemented.
AutoZone
Philip Daniele, the CEO of the auto-parts company AutoZone, told analysts on a September earnings call that tariff policies had "ebbed and flowed over the years," and if Trump implemented more tariffs, "we will pass those tariff costs back to the consumer."
"We generally raise prices ahead of that," Daniele said, adding that prices would gradually settle over time. "So, that's historically what we've done," he said.
Columbia Sportswear
Tim Boyle, the CEO of Columbia Sportswear, told analysts on an October earnings call that the company was "very concerned about the imposition of tariffs. " He said that while he considered Columbia adept at managing tariffs, "trade wars are not good and not easy to win."
Boyle also told The Washington Post in October that the company was "set to raise prices."
"It's going to be very, very difficult to keep products affordable for Americans," he said.
Stanley Black & Decker
Donald Allan, the CEO of the manufacturing company Stanley Black & Decker, told analysts in an October earnings call that the company had been evaluating "a variety of different scenarios" to plan for new tariffs under Trump.
The Takeout
"And obviously, coming out of the gate, there would be price increases associated with tariffs that we put into the market," Allan said, adding that "there's usually some type of delay given the processes that our customers have around implementing price."
Allan also said the company would consider moving its production out of China and to other countries, such as Mexico, to reduce the impact of a 60% tariff on Chinese imported goods. Steve Madden was among other companies that announced plans to import fewer goods from China, with its CEO, Edward Rosenfeld, saying on an earnings call that the company had already started that process.
Walmart
Walmart CFO John David Rainey told CNBC on November 19 that the company will likely raise prices if Trump's tariff proposals are implemented.
"We never want to raise prices," he said. "Our model is everyday low prices. But there probably will be cases where prices will go up for consumers."
Rainey added that the company is "pretty familiar" with tariffs, given Biden and Trump's policies over the last seven years, but he said they're "inflationary for customers, so we want to work with suppliers and with our own private brand assortment to try to bring down prices."
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but I was 23 or so back in 1991...I'm an old fart
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
-EV 8/14/93
Name this band...
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
-EV 8/14/93
JeBurkhardt said: 1000% - they will never realize they've been scammed.
They'll just continue to get scammed.
Fools Rush In
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I'm not sure if it is strictly a social media thing or what exactly. The electorate won't get any smarter...but his ability to lead this cult is unmatched.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
2. bigot
3. stupid
mix em all together and you TOO could lead your own cult! it's not hard, and you don't need to be smart.
-EV 8/14/93
2013 Wrigley 2014 St. Paul 2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley 2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley 2021 Asbury Park 2022 St Louis 2023 Austin, Austin
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
The rest of them, for whatever reason, think Trump is going to deliver on the things they value at this point in time. They don't want to be accountable to censorship for shitty behavior because they think the left has gone too far with things like the "Me Too" movement, racial equity, police accountability, fact checking, etc. They're afraid they'll get swept up in an accusation that could cost them their job or social status because of something they said or did last week, last year or 20 years ago. Trump sheds allegations and criminal charges like a snake losing its skin and they identify with wanting to be able to move past their shitty moments without it costing them anything personally. That's obviously a pretty universal desire among all populations. We want to be forgiven, we want it to go away and we want to be allowed to move on, but not every action/behavior is as simple as a sorry. That is why the rule of law is in place. We can't allow these things to simply be pushed down because of wealth, their job title or social status. Unfortunately that does seem to be acceptable to many and even the highest court has granted exception that we've yet to see the limits of. It's unfortunate and yet the reality that as a society, we've haven't yet overwhelmingly agreed to a higher level of human decency. Maybe some day we will get there.
Winner!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Why do you think I would feel better that someone who committed a series of crimes will get away with it? Do you believe in the rule of law or do you not? "Justice for thee and not for me," eh? Continue to bury your head in the sand while this grifter fleeces the American public, including you, for another four years. He does not care about you. He would sleep with your wife or call her ugly if she resisted his advances. And you'd ask for his autograph. The truest thing he ever said is that he could shoot someone in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue and his people would still support him. He knows you're a mark. Do you?
Look, Democrats got about 48.3 percent of the vote for president. They also got about 47.7 percent of the aggregate House vote. In 2020, the presidential race was 51.3-46.8 for the Ds. This time, it will end up something like 49.8-48.3 for the Rs. That is a three-point swing. It is not a tectonic shift. It only appears that way because the country is so closely divided, and a three-point swing in a closely divided race changes the outcome. The Democrats should not throw out the baby with the bathwater by abandoning principles that appealed to essentially half the country to appeal to the three percent of voters in the middle who swung from one party to the other. This was a race with a candidate who had no particularly strong case to be president other than that she was not Trump (which, in a decent world, would be enough) and who was saddled with the record of an unpopular incumbent, and she still came very close to winning. A quarter-million votes in three states would have changed the outcome. Some soul-searching is always good for a political party after a defeat, but the press should stop asking why Ds have "lost the support of the American people." They haven't. They have lost the support of half of the American people. So have the Rs. Welcome to our 50/50 country. You lose three percent of the people in the middle and you lose the election. If the Rs overreach, they'll swing back in 2026, just as they did in 2006 to the Ds, 2010 to the Rs, 2018 to the Ds and 2022 to the Rs.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/difference-trump-american-homebuyers-brace-130000696.html
‘Difference Is Trump’: American Homebuyers Brace for Rate Pain
‘Difference Is Trump’: American Homebuyers Brace for Rate Pain
(Bloomberg) -- Before Donald Trump’s election, Redfin Corp. projected mortgage rates would average 6.1% next year. But three days after the election, they revised their estimate upward to 6.8% – basically unchanged from today’s high levels.
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“The difference is Trump,” said Daryl Fairweather, chief economist at Redfin. “The market seems to be pricing in that he’ll move forward with at least some of the tariffs, but it’s really hard to know what Trump is going to do.”
It’s another hit for the housing market that’s been dealing with a rise in borrowing costs that’s pushed at least one measure of mortgage rates above 7%. Economists expecting higher-for-longer borrowing costs shows just how tough the market is likely to be for homebuyers trying to find affordable options.
“There was a view that rates would gradually fall, but that no longer seems to be the case,” said Thomas Ryan, North America economist at Capital Economics. “As a result, the housing market is going to stay frozen — as it is — for longer than we and other economists had expected.”
While the stock market rallied the day after Trump’s victory, the bond market has reacted with more trepidation given how tariffs and other policies might impact inflation. After the election, Barclays Plc economists raised their inflation projections for the next two years and lowered their outlook for economic growth, due to tariffs and potential immigration restrictions.
Trump’s proposal for an up to 20% tariff on all imports, and an even higher 60% tariff on Chinese goods, is one of the major causes of uncertainty. Economists have said this could lead to inflation as companies would likely pass on those cost increases to consumers. If he also imposes tax cuts, that could lower fiscal revenue and drive up the US deficit, pushing long-term rates even higher.
Some economists have also warned that Trump’s plan to deport millions of undocumented immigrants could further exacerbate the nation’s housing shortage. If Trump’s policies lead to an even smaller labor force for the construction industry, it would make it difficult to build new homes and make costs even more expensive.
“We need labor,” said Nadia Evangelou, senior economist at the National Association of Realtors. “Sometimes homebuilders are not able to deliver affordable homes, or the price point that people can afford to buy. And the reason is because of the labor shortage.”
Trump’s impacts on the economy will likely influence how the Federal Reserve proceeds. And while the Fed’s decisions on short-term interest rates do not directly set mortgage rates, monetary policy does have some influence. Mortgage rates closely follow yields on 10-year Treasuries, and are affected by market expectations for inflation and economic growth.
Capital Economics expects higher rates to be another “setback” for buyers and cause a home-sale recovery to be even shallower than expected. Mortgage rates will likely stay high around 7% in 2024 and drop only a quarter point by the end of 2025, according to Capital Economics’ Ryan.
“There’s a general consensus that the net effect of Trump’s policies will be inflationary,” Ryan said. “That’s what’s driving changes in the bond market at the moment.”
Other economists have also dialed back their mortgage-rate expectations. Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, predicts 30-year fixed mortgage rates will now remain around 7%.
“I don’t think I’d count on mortgage rates coming down anytime until next fall, later next year,” Zandi said. “And even then, I’m not sure. It really depends on what his policies are, how aggressively he pursues them.”
Forging Ahead
For buyers, the picture remains a little uncertain. High borrowing costs have weighed on shoppers, fueling a drop in contracts to buy previously owned homes in October, according to Redfin.
While prices held up in October, homes stayed a median of 41 days on the market, about a week longer than a year ago, according to Redfin. If higher borrowing costs slow the market even more, that could help spur more deals for buyers.
For now, election uncertainty has cleared, giving some consumers more confidence to forge ahead. Erica Diaz, an agent with Homevest in Florida, said her business has seen a significant increase in both potential buyers and sellers since the election.
Malvin Le, a real estate agent based in Orange County, California, said his phone lit up immediately after the election with a few buyers ready to go shopping again.
“The day after the election, I got three or four calls from buyers who wanted to see a house that weekend,” Le said. “There are still buyers waiting to buy, they’re just waiting for a good deal.”
MSCMA (FNGR)!
MAKE STUFF COST MORE AGAIN (FOR NO GOOD REASON)!
A running list of companies preparing to raise prices if Trump's trade plan is enacted
President-elect Donald Trump proposed broad tariffs on imports, including up to 60% on goods from China.
Economists say his proposals could spike inflation as companies tend to pass costs on to shoppers.
Some companies have already said increased tariffs would lead them to raise prices.
Some executives have warned that price hikes are on the way if President-elect Donald Trump's trade plans go into effect.
On the campaign trail, Trump proposed a 60% tariff on goods imported from China coupled with a 10% to 20% tariff on goods imported from other countries. While the president-elect could choose not to enact tariffs at that scale once he assumes office, economists and the market have predicted that his proposals would spike inflation and cause the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates.
Several companies have already begun responding to Trump's election victory and the implications his tariff proposals would have on the costs of their goods. Executives have told analysts on earnings calls that it would be difficult to maintain current prices under Trump's broad tariffs.
Other companies are still waiting for more information from the president-elect. Tarang Amin, the CEO of ELF Beauty, told Business Insider that the company must first see the policy Trump enacts before making any changes to its pricing and that a new policy wouldn't affect the business until after its 2025 fiscal year.
"We don't like tariffs because they are a tax on the American people," Amin said, adding that the company had been subject to a 25% tariff since 2019 because of policies from Trump's first term. "And at that time," he said, "we pulled all the levers available to us to minimize the effects to our company and our community."
Karoline Leavitt, a Trump-Vance transition spokeswoman, told BI: "In his first term, President Trump instituted tariffs against China that created jobs, spurred investment, and resulted in no inflation." She added that Trump will "work quickly" to lower taxes and create more American jobs.
Below are the companies that are warning of price increases if Trump's tariff proposals are implemented.
AutoZone
Philip Daniele, the CEO of the auto-parts company AutoZone, told analysts on a September earnings call that tariff policies had "ebbed and flowed over the years," and if Trump implemented more tariffs, "we will pass those tariff costs back to the consumer."
"We generally raise prices ahead of that," Daniele said, adding that prices would gradually settle over time. "So, that's historically what we've done," he said.
Columbia Sportswear
Tim Boyle, the CEO of Columbia Sportswear, told analysts on an October earnings call that the company was "very concerned about the imposition of tariffs. " He said that while he considered Columbia adept at managing tariffs, "trade wars are not good and not easy to win."
Boyle also told The Washington Post in October that the company was "set to raise prices."
"It's going to be very, very difficult to keep products affordable for Americans," he said.
Stanley Black & Decker
Donald Allan, the CEO of the manufacturing company Stanley Black & Decker, told analysts in an October earnings call that the company had been evaluating "a variety of different scenarios" to plan for new tariffs under Trump.
"And obviously, coming out of the gate, there would be price increases associated with tariffs that we put into the market," Allan said, adding that "there's usually some type of delay given the processes that our customers have around implementing price."
Allan also said the company would consider moving its production out of China and to other countries, such as Mexico, to reduce the impact of a 60% tariff on Chinese imported goods. Steve Madden was among other companies that announced plans to import fewer goods from China, with its CEO, Edward Rosenfeld, saying on an earnings call that the company had already started that process.
Walmart
Walmart CFO John David Rainey told CNBC on November 19 that the company will likely raise prices if Trump's tariff proposals are implemented.
"We never want to raise prices," he said. "Our model is everyday low prices. But there probably will be cases where prices will go up for consumers."
Rainey added that the company is "pretty familiar" with tariffs, given Biden and Trump's policies over the last seven years, but he said they're "inflationary for customers, so we want to work with suppliers and with our own private brand assortment to try to bring down prices."
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