Very odd...RFK begging people to NOT vote for him and Mush promoting it...
Other than him flipping, it's not odd. He knows he has 0.000% chance of winning and he'd rather support trump than Harris.
I think it's very odd for a third party candidate to go through all of the effort to get on the ballot only to tell people using those ballots to not vote for him.
Not sure why this would start an argument.
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Very odd...RFK begging people to NOT vote for him and Mush promoting it...
Other than him flipping, it's not odd. He knows he has 0.000% chance of winning and he'd rather support trump than Harris.
I think it's very odd for a third party candidate to go through all of the effort to get on the ballot only to tell people using those ballots to not vote for him.
Not sure why this would start an argument.
It would be weird if he was still running and thought there was even the slightest chance of a win. But didn't he drop out, but was too late to take his name off the ballot in a few states? He doesn't want to run anymore, so he's endorsing trump. it's pretty normal to endorse someone when you drop out. Biden is endorsing Kamala after dropping out too. Not trying to argue. Just saying it's completely normal what he's doing. If he was polling in double digits, he'd probably still be running and not saying that.
Very odd...RFK begging people to NOT vote for him and Mush promoting it...
Other than him flipping, it's not odd. He knows he has 0.000% chance of winning and he'd rather support trump than Harris.
I think it's very odd for a third party candidate to go through all of the effort to get on the ballot only to tell people using those ballots to not vote for him.
Not sure why this would start an argument.
It would be weird if he was still running and thought there was even the slightest chance of a win. But didn't he drop out, but was too late to take his name off the ballot in a few states? He doesn't want to run anymore, so he's endorsing trump. it's pretty normal to endorse someone when you drop out. Biden is endorsing Kamala after dropping out too. Not trying to argue. Just saying it's completely normal what he's doing. If he was polling in double digits, he'd probably still be running and not saying that.
Is it normal to ask the Supreme Court to reinstate your name to the ballot after you've dropped out of the race?
It's all strategy. He removed his name from the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote trump. He tried to keep his name on the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote Kamala. A little shady, I agree. You should either be on or off the ballot. But in terms of strategy, it doesn't strike me as weird. He wants trump to win. Probably only because they promised him a job first.
It's all strategy. He removed his name from the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote trump. He tried to keep his name on the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote Kamala. A little shady, I agree. You should either be on or off the ballot. But in terms of strategy, it doesn't strike me as weird. He wants trump to win. Probably only because they promised him a job first.
Yeah this is all normal strategy stuff. Also normal to put an ex football player who never finished college in charge of US missile defense. Totally normal.
Very odd...RFK begging people to NOT vote for him and Mush promoting it...
Other than him flipping, it's not odd. He knows he has 0.000% chance of winning and he'd rather support trump than Harris.
Right because Trump promised him a job and a platform for his fucked up ideas. Just normal MAGA shit.
I agree (except fort the last part, because every campaign has a strategy). He seems like an odd fit, and is only supporting him because he thinks he will benefit. But in terms of overall strategy, it makes sense. He dropped out of the race and endorsed trump, why would he not tell his supports to vote trump? I just don't see what's weird with that particular move. It would actually be weird if he didn't say it, support one candidate while still trying to get votes for himself in battleground states that would cost the election, that would be weird. Its all strategy. There's nothing weird about campaign strategy.
The guy was backed by republican donors.... he was never a serious candidate, he was only there to take votes from Biden, but it was a stupid strategy as his crazy endeared himself to a lot of the crazy in trump's base.
Very odd...RFK begging people to NOT vote for him and Mush promoting it...
Other than him flipping, it's not odd. He knows he has 0.000% chance of winning and he'd rather support trump than Harris.
Right because Trump promised him a job and a platform for his fucked up ideas. Just normal MAGA shit.
I agree (except fort the last part, because every campaign has a strategy). He seems like an odd fit, and is only supporting him because he thinks he will benefit. But in terms of overall strategy, it makes sense. He dropped out of the race and endorsed trump, why would he not tell his supports to vote trump? I just don't see what's weird with that particular move. It would actually be weird if he didn't say it, support one candidate while still trying to get votes for himself in battleground states that would cost the election, that would be weird. Its all strategy. There's nothing weird about campaign strategy.
Giving a platform to a kook and promising him a high level cabinet position for some votes is not "normal". I'd love for you to give me another example of it. "Campaign strategy" isn't weird. This strategy is corrupted, par for MAGA.
Now try defending Walker in charge of missile defense.
It's all strategy. He removed his name from the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote trump. He tried to keep his name on the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote Kamala. A little shady, I agree. You should either be on or off the ballot. But in terms of strategy, it doesn't strike me as weird. He wants trump to win. Probably only because they promised him a job first.
He basically sold out. But it does seem odd based on my memory of third party candidates who claim they’re outside of the establishment and then fully attach themselves to the establishment because their price was met. Not to mention the right would be squealing nonstop about “election interference” if he sided with Harris and was trying to remove, or keep himself on the ballot, as a strategy to help her win.
It's all strategy. He removed his name from the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote trump. He tried to keep his name on the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote Kamala. A little shady, I agree. You should either be on or off the ballot. But in terms of strategy, it doesn't strike me as weird. He wants trump to win. Probably only because they promised him a job first.
He basically sold out. But it does seem odd based on my memory of third party candidates who claim they’re outside of the establishment and then fully attach themselves to the establishment because their price was met. Not to mention the right would be squealing nonstop about “election interference” if he sided with Harris and was trying to remove, or keep himself on the ballot, as a strategy to help her win.
MAGA believes pro-Harris ads are election interference.
The guy was backed by republican donors.... he was never a serious candidate, he was only there to take votes from Biden, but it was a stupid strategy as his crazy endeared himself to a lot of the crazy in trump's base.
Anyone with half a brain knew from the get-go that RFKJr was just trying to help Trump. It sure didn't take a genius to figure it out.
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The guy was backed by republican donors.... he was never a serious candidate, he was only there to take votes from Biden, but it was a stupid strategy as his crazy endeared himself to a lot of the crazy in trump's base.
Anyone with half a brain knew from the get-go that RFKJr was just trying to help Trump.
The guy was backed by republican donors.... he was never a serious candidate, he was only there to take votes from Biden, but it was a stupid strategy as his crazy endeared himself to a lot of the crazy in trump's base.
Anyone with half a brain knew from the get-go that RFKJr was just trying to help Trump. It sure didn't take a genius to figure it out.
Make America Healthy? How about undoing environmental regulations on mercury in bodies of water. Yeah that's real healthy. Oh yeah that's what Trump 45 did. But Trump 47 will be so different. Right.
But then constantly whining about Biden ending Afghanistan. 4x as many Americans killed in Afghanistan during Trump's term vs Biden's term. The numbers are what they are. God damn fuck these people.
yeah and the 13 people killed by a suicide bomber is Biden's fault...no mention of how many may have been killed if we hadn't pulled out.
An unfortunate situation that the GOP decided to take advantage of
That's what they do... for how many hours did Clinton testify about Benghazi?
How much time & money did they spend investigating Hunter?
Yeah and I can't tell you how sick I am (still) of hearing people say that Obama is the one that started all of the division. That's a fucking dog whistle that most probably pass on without thinking but it's so stupid I can't handle it.
Agreed.
There has been a 50-year project on the right to destroy trust in American institutions, feeding off a justified sense of discontent that stemmed from Democratic mistakes (Vietnam) and Republican ones (Watergate, more Vietnam). But the real scorched-earth approach to politics took hold when the Gingrich-led Republican majority took power in 1994.
But then constantly whining about Biden ending Afghanistan. 4x as many Americans killed in Afghanistan during Trump's term vs Biden's term. The numbers are what they are. God damn fuck these people.
yeah and the 13 people killed by a suicide bomber is Biden's fault...no mention of how many may have been killed if we hadn't pulled out.
An unfortunate situation that the GOP decided to take advantage of
That's what they do... for how many hours did Clinton testify about Benghazi?
How much time & money did they spend investigating Hunter?
Yeah and I can't tell you how sick I am (still) of hearing people say that Obama is the one that started all of the division. That's a fucking dog whistle that most probably pass on without thinking but it's so stupid I can't handle it.
Agreed.
There has been a 50-year project on the right to destroy trust in American institutions, feeding off a justified sense of discontent that stemmed from Democratic mistakes (Vietnam) and Republican ones (Watergate, more Vietnam). But the real scorched-earth approach to politics took hold when the Gingrich-led Republican majority took power in 1994.
Which IMO is one of the more frustrating things about the 'both sides' argument in the last 10 years.
People who think both sides are equally bad are either being willfully dishonest or just aren't paying attention.
But then constantly whining about Biden ending Afghanistan. 4x as many Americans killed in Afghanistan during Trump's term vs Biden's term. The numbers are what they are. God damn fuck these people.
A common talking point used by Trump supporters to justify his return to office is that, when he was president, "there were no wars"-- ignoring the inconvenient fact that, for the entirety of Trump's term, the U.S. was at war in Afghanistan and that, under Biden, for the first time in twenty years, we stopped being at war there.
(This is without even addressing numerous other wars around the world during the period not directly involving the U.S. from 2017 to 2021 (e.g., Syria, Yemen, Ethiopia) that apparently don't count for some reason even though Ukraine and Gaza do count for some reason.)
Which IMO is one of the more frustrating things about the 'both sides' argument in the last 10 years.
People who think both sides are equally bad are either being willfully dishonest or just aren't paying attention.
A lot of it is people who are not paying attention. It's a vicious circle because the fact that they don't pay attention most of the time means that, when they pop their heads up every four years and attempt to pay attention, they struggle to discern truth from fiction because they don't have a baseline of knowledge from which to make sound judgments. One thing I have some empathy for is that it has to be really hard to live your life in ignorance, and it's hard to navigate the world when you don't know how things work. Ignorance is not always bliss.
Which IMO is one of the more frustrating things about the 'both sides' argument in the last 10 years.
People who think both sides are equally bad are either being willfully dishonest or just aren't paying attention.
A lot of it is people who are not paying attention. It's a vicious circle because the fact that they don't pay attention most of the time means that, when they pop their heads up every four years and attempt to pay attention, they struggle to discern truth from fiction because they don't have a baseline of knowledge from which to make sound judgments. One thing I have some empathy for is that it has to be really hard to live your life in ignorance, and it's hard to navigate the world when you don't know how things work. Ignorance is not always bliss.
It's all strategy. He removed his name from the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote trump. He tried to keep his name on the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote Kamala. A little shady, I agree. You should either be on or off the ballot. But in terms of strategy, it doesn't strike me as weird. He wants trump to win. Probably only because they promised him a job first.
He basically sold out. But it does seem odd based on my memory of third party candidates who claim they’re outside of the establishment and then fully attach themselves to the establishment because their price was met. Not to mention the right would be squealing nonstop about “election interference” if he sided with Harris and was trying to remove, or keep himself on the ballot, as a strategy to help her win.
He was never truly a third party. He was a sore democrat loser. He went third party when he realized he had no chance at the primary. Then switched to supporting trump when he saw it could benefit him. Like I said earlier, I don't see him asking people not to vote for him as weird, he dropped out. What I do find weird is his transition from left, to no party, to right in such a short time frame. When just a year ago he was running for president as a democrat.
RFK is a bit nuts but I consider him the silver lining to Trump's second term.
He's the only big-time player in a long time that's talked about the ridiculous poisoned/ultra-processed diet Americans eat. I think he could do a lot of good as Sec of Health and Human Services. He's a bit anti-vax for my taste but I have some hope for MAHA as much as I hate MAGA. (The real question is will the GOP ever actually go for more regulations, which is how European countries eat healthier than us.)
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RFK is a bit nuts but I consider him the silver lining to Trump's second term.
He's the only big-time player in a long time that's talked about the ridiculous poisoned/ultra-processed diet Americans eat. I think he could do a lot of good as Sec of Health and Human Services. He's a bit anti-vax for my taste but I have some hope for MAHA as much as I hate MAGA. (The real question is will the GOP ever actually go for more regulations, which is how European countries eat healthier than us.)
His ability to think critically and grasp the scientific method isn’t there. He’s a grievance peddler who talks smooth.
RFK is a bit nuts but I consider him the silver lining to Trump's second term.
He's the only big-time player in a long time that's talked about the ridiculous poisoned/ultra-processed diet Americans eat. I think he could do a lot of good as Sec of Health and Human Services. He's a bit anti-vax for my taste but I have some hope for MAHA as much as I hate MAGA. (The real question is will the GOP ever actually go for more regulations, which is how European countries eat healthier than us.)
His ability to think critically and grasp the scientific method isn’t there. He’s a grievance peddler who talks smooth.
...talks smooth?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
It's all strategy. He removed his name from the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote trump. He tried to keep his name on the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote Kamala. A little shady, I agree. You should either be on or off the ballot. But in terms of strategy, it doesn't strike me as weird. He wants trump to win. Probably only because they promised him a job first.
He basically sold out. But it does seem odd based on my memory of third party candidates who claim they’re outside of the establishment and then fully attach themselves to the establishment because their price was met. Not to mention the right would be squealing nonstop about “election interference” if he sided with Harris and was trying to remove, or keep himself on the ballot, as a strategy to help her win.
What I do find weird is his transition from left, to no party, to right in such a short time frame. When just a year ago he was running for president as a democrat.
It stops being weird when you come to the realization that he was never really left to begin with.
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But didn't he drop out, but was too late to take his name off the ballot in a few states? He doesn't want to run anymore, so he's endorsing trump. it's pretty normal to endorse someone when you drop out. Biden is endorsing Kamala after dropping out too.
Not trying to argue. Just saying it's completely normal what he's doing. If he was polling in double digits, he'd probably still be running and not saying that.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-new-york-ballot-appeal-supreme-court/
If not odd then tell me what other third party candidates did the same thing and had the owner of twitter promoting it for them?
If this is a pattern then I'll say it isn't odd.
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A little shady, I agree. You should either be on or off the ballot. But in terms of strategy, it doesn't strike me as weird. He wants trump to win. Probably only because they promised him a job first.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4970165-trump-herschel-walker-missile-shield/
But in terms of overall strategy, it makes sense. He dropped out of the race and endorsed trump, why would he not tell his supports to vote trump? I just don't see what's weird with that particular move. It would actually be weird if he didn't say it, support one candidate while still trying to get votes for himself in battleground states that would cost the election, that would be weird.
Its all strategy. There's nothing weird about campaign strategy.
Now try defending Walker in charge of missile defense.
Make America Healthy? How about undoing environmental regulations on mercury in bodies of water. Yeah that's real healthy. Oh yeah that's what Trump 45 did. But Trump 47 will be so different. Right.
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People who think both sides are equally bad are either being willfully dishonest or just aren't paying attention.
(This is without even addressing numerous other wars around the world during the period not directly involving the U.S. from 2017 to 2021 (e.g., Syria, Yemen, Ethiopia) that apparently don't count for some reason even though Ukraine and Gaza do count for some reason.)
Like I said earlier, I don't see him asking people not to vote for him as weird, he dropped out.
What I do find weird is his transition from left, to no party, to right in such a short time frame. When just a year ago he was running for president as a democrat.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
He's the only big-time player in a long time that's talked about the ridiculous poisoned/ultra-processed diet Americans eat. I think he could do a lot of good as Sec of Health and Human Services. He's a bit anti-vax for my taste but I have some hope for MAHA as much as I hate MAGA. (The real question is will the GOP ever actually go for more regulations, which is how European countries eat healthier than us.)
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