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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,274
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,274
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,274
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    2023
    mickeyrat said:
    No shot in hell he is giving up on PA. lol What? It's a coin toss.

    That said.....would LOVE to see Kamala there.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    Get_Right said:
    BF25394 said:
    Get_Right said:

    The fact that this is even an issue, from either side, is part of why I am disgusted with the entire process. Bring your passport, your license, state issued ID, you welfare card, your food stamp card, your social security card, and vote. How this process is not digital, encrypted, possibly remote, and 99% tamper proof in 2024? It just makes me scratch my head. I have three factor verification to pay my mortgage every month but we still have mail in and paper ballots? We have Apple, Microsoft, Oracle and Tesla etc. but we cannot figure out a verifiable voting process? It's no wonder we are often the laughing stock of the world.
    Yes, by all means let's spend a ton of money "fixing" a system that's very secure and not broken and, in the process, make it vulnerable in new and different ways.

    For a nation that is supposedly the laughingstock of the world, a lot of people seem to be willing to go through hell to come here.
    How can you say it is not broken with allegations from both sides, empirical evidence and criminal convictions to the contrary? Why do you think people want to come here? I can guarantee you it is not because of our secure voting system and the representation of immigrants in the popular elections.
    Earlier today you asked me which institutions he threatened and allies he is putting at risk.  You seem to have been unaware of those things.  I answered but I don't know if you agree or disagree. 
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    He’s wearing a reflex vest
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,749
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

    And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
    Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

    Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 
    The question isn't whether you believe we are down a Nazi path.  Hyperbole runs rampant in an election.  The question is whether he is a threat to it institutions and allies. Or is Harris.   In that,  you should be able to draw your own conclusions simply by listening both of them speak and listening to their surrogates  

    Direct information is actually available to you. 
    There is simply no way to reach the other side on this. When 45 says he will be a dictator on day 1, his defense is he was joking and the believers believe 

     He gets the votes from the traditional gop voters and a new breed of macho tough guys who never used to vote.

    Which is why he is tough to beat, when also considering the gop electoral college advantage 

    The forum hasn't been discussing the polling as much as previous election. Have you been following the cross tabs? This seems to be trumps best polling in his 3 elections?
    I have been watching.  I won't go so far as saying I'm not worried,  but I'm not super worried.  Everything in the cross tabs and polling in general is based on what a pollster believes is the electoral makeup.  If they get that wrong,  the results are wrong. I think after 2020 they over- weighted the GOP vote and we saw that in 2022. The one thing that makes me a little nervous is the movement in the last month.  If your methodology is consistent,  even if wrong,  you have to honor movement.  But I've been saying for a few weeks that's it's all turnout and I think the Ds have a better ground game.
     You had me a little optimistic there for a second. I agree, it’s the recent movement that’s been concerning, and difficult to understand 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,274
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

    And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
    the washington post did not endorse harris, you know that, right?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

    Just a thought. 
    I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. 
    In what way does a percentage higher or lower taxes or whatever matter for the upcoming four years VS voting in a normal human being with normal competent human beings around her and Trump and his gang of PARDON MY FRENCH racist and women-hating freaks ?

    For better or worse, I am stuck in the middle. Neither candidate will change my taxes in a significant way. And tariffs will not impact my cost of living unless there is a tariff on fuel. Yes there are strong character issues with Trump, but is Kamala demonstrating any strong characteristics that are inspiring?  Nothing is moving me in either direction, it may come down to the lesser of two evils, which sucks.
    I just showed you a clear example of the Republican side attempting to lie to you to make you believe that there's an abundance of voter fraud. In reality, there's not nearly enough voter fraud to make any material difference. 

    Then you switch to "both sides are bad" because both engage in hyperbole, although one side focuses on hyperbole whereas the other focuses on beneficial lies, and truth is an afterthought.

    Then you claim that neither will really affect your day to day, and switch to "lesser of two evils" after saying there are "strong character issues with Trump" but that Kamala isn't "inspiring" you. 

    If nothing is moving you in either direction, you are choosing not to be moved. 

    No not true. I am looking for a leader to move me. Neither candidate has done so. Should I be moved by default because Trump is a NYC slumlord with bad values? Or that Kamala is a lame duck just following the typical democratic path of entitlement? And that is sad. Stuff and nonsense. It is all just white noise. One may be more sympathetic to human rights while the other may have objectives that focus on money without much regard to human rights. It is a no win situation.
    simple solution.

    if you are undecided by now, just stay home. don't vote. done.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    2023
    mickeyrat said:
    he doesn't want to feel like a loser a few days before the election.

    dude knows he is cooked.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    2023
    he is about to lose ohio and PA.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,338
    2023
    The disingenuousness is astounding. You mean to tell me that a self-described trade attorney dealing with tariffs doesn’t see the difference between the two candidates, parties and policies? GTFOOH.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,338
    2023
    mickeyrat said:
    Meh, it’s only one sixth of what the nazis did and they’re only being deported. It’s not like cattle cars and gas chambers or anything.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,647
    2023
    he is about to lose ohio and PA.
    Ohio? I don't know man 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    he is about to lose ohio and PA.
    Ohio? I don't know man 
    I'm in Cleveland now. I drove through Fairview Park and the Harris signs outnumbered Trump 60/40. It's a lock

  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,714
    2023
    mickeyrat said:
    Meh, it’s only one sixth of what the nazis did and they’re only being deported. It’s not like cattle cars and gas chambers or anything.
    mickeyrat said:
    Meh, it’s only one sixth of what the nazis did and they’re only being deported. It’s not like cattle cars and gas chambers or anything.
    Seriously. I mean he has never even ordered a land invasion of France. 
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,714
    2023
    I don’t believe Trump is giving up on PA. That would mean he loses the election. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,338
    2023
    mickeyrat said:
    Meh, it’s only one sixth of what the nazis did and they’re only being deported. It’s not like cattle cars and gas chambers or anything.
    mickeyrat said:
    Meh, it’s only one sixth of what the nazis did and they’re only being deported. It’s not like cattle cars and gas chambers or anything.
    Seriously. I mean he has never even ordered a land invasion of France. 
    He’s gotta invade Poland first.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,647
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    I think someone needs to do a welfare check on Vance. 
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,247
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

    Just a thought. 
    I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. 
    In what way does a percentage higher or lower taxes or whatever matter for the upcoming four years VS voting in a normal human being with normal competent human beings around her and Trump and his gang of PARDON MY FRENCH racist and women-hating freaks ?

    For better or worse, I am stuck in the middle. Neither candidate will change my taxes in a significant way. And tariffs will not impact my cost of living unless there is a tariff on fuel. Yes there are strong character issues with Trump, but is Kamala demonstrating any strong characteristics that are inspiring?  Nothing is moving me in either direction, it may come down to the lesser of two evils, which sucks.
    I just showed you a clear example of the Republican side attempting to lie to you to make you believe that there's an abundance of voter fraud. In reality, there's not nearly enough voter fraud to make any material difference. 

    Then you switch to "both sides are bad" because both engage in hyperbole, although one side focuses on hyperbole whereas the other focuses on beneficial lies, and truth is an afterthought.

    Then you claim that neither will really affect your day to day, and switch to "lesser of two evils" after saying there are "strong character issues with Trump" but that Kamala isn't "inspiring" you. 

    If nothing is moving you in either direction, you are choosing not to be moved. 

    No not true. I am looking for a leader to move me. Neither candidate has done so. Should I be moved by default because Trump is a NYC slumlord with bad values? Or that Kamala is a lame duck just following the typical democratic path of entitlement? And that is sad. Stuff and nonsense. It is all just white noise. One may be more sympathetic to human rights while the other may have objectives that focus on money without much regard to human rights. It is a no win situation.
    simple solution.

    if you are undecided by now, just stay home. don't vote. done.
    That is not an option, I am just not inspired this time around. I am in New York and the Dems usually win. But I will get out and vote. 
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    benjs said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

    Just a thought. 
    I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. 
    In what way does a percentage higher or lower taxes or whatever matter for the upcoming four years VS voting in a normal human being with normal competent human beings around her and Trump and his gang of PARDON MY FRENCH racist and women-hating freaks ?

    For better or worse, I am stuck in the middle. Neither candidate will change my taxes in a significant way. And tariffs will not impact my cost of living unless there is a tariff on fuel. Yes there are strong character issues with Trump, but is Kamala demonstrating any strong characteristics that are inspiring?  Nothing is moving me in either direction, it may come down to the lesser of two evils, which sucks.
    I just showed you a clear example of the Republican side attempting to lie to you to make you believe that there's an abundance of voter fraud. In reality, there's not nearly enough voter fraud to make any material difference. 

    Then you switch to "both sides are bad" because both engage in hyperbole, although one side focuses on hyperbole whereas the other focuses on beneficial lies, and truth is an afterthought.

    Then you claim that neither will really affect your day to day, and switch to "lesser of two evils" after saying there are "strong character issues with Trump" but that Kamala isn't "inspiring" you. 

    If nothing is moving you in either direction, you are choosing not to be moved. 

    No not true. I am looking for a leader to move me. Neither candidate has done so. Should I be moved by default because Trump is a NYC slumlord with bad values? Or that Kamala is a lame duck just following the typical democratic path of entitlement? And that is sad. Stuff and nonsense. It is all just white noise. One may be more sympathetic to human rights while the other may have objectives that focus on money without much regard to human rights. It is a no win situation.
    simple solution.

    if you are undecided by now, just stay home. don't vote. done.
    That is not an option, I am just not inspired this time around. I am in New York and the Dems usually win. But I will get out and vote. 
    then leave the president slot blank. or write someone in. vote for the rest of the ballot.

    if you really, after all you have seen and read, after everything everyone has presented here, cannot see the difference between the two, just leave it blank. then you won't have to justify to your granddaugher that you had the chance to stop trump and maga but chose not to.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,749
    mickeyrat said:
    Meh, it’s only one sixth of what the nazis did and they’re only being deported. It’s not like cattle cars and gas chambers or anything.
    Earlier made a call to one of my friends that I haven't spoken to in awhile and before we hung up I remembered I didn't bring up politics As she is a through and through republican. I said if your guy wins next week please vouch for me please don't let them take me away. She thought I was being hysterical and ridiculous. I don't think she understood that I wasn't kidding and I was seriously asking for her help.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,338
    2023
    mickeyrat said:
    Meh, it’s only one sixth of what the nazis did and they’re only being deported. It’s not like cattle cars and gas chambers or anything.
    Earlier made a call to one of my friends that I haven't spoken to in awhile and before we hung up I remembered I didn't bring up politics As she is a through and through republican. I said if your guy wins next week please vouch for me please don't let them take me away. She thought I was being hysterical and ridiculous. I don't think she understood that I wasn't kidding and I was seriously asking for her help.
    If she asks again, ask her if she’s seen Oppenheimer.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,274
    mrussel1 said:
    he is about to lose ohio and PA.
    Ohio? I don't know man 
    I'm in Cleveland now. I drove through Fairview Park and the Harris signs outnumbered Trump 60/40. It's a lock


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,338
    2023
    Someone explain this to me, please?

    The enormous gains boosted Trump Media’s value to $10.3 billion as of Tuesday’s close. That means it was briefly worth more than the implied value of X, the Elon Musk-owned social network formerly known as Twitter.

    That’s despite the fact that X has about 70 million monthly active US users on iOS and Android as Truth Social, according to Similarweb data shared with CNN. That’s roughly 100 times Truth Social’s 698,000 monthly active US users.

    Even Threads, Meta’s relatively new X competitor, has about 20 times the user base of Truth Social, according to Similarweb.

    ‘Head scratcher’ valuation

    Trump Media’s fundamentals remain very modest for a company that is still valued at more than $8 billion.

    For context, CBS owner Paramount Global, a company that Trump Media recently surpassed in market value, has brought in more than $14 billion in revenue so far this year.

    But Trump Media has generated just $1.6 million of revenue this year.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/30/business/trump-stock-truth-social/index.html


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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    2023
    Seems as if the momentum is swinging towards Harris this week....



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    2023
    Seems as if the momentum is swinging towards Harris this week....



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