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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,579
    Now the “both sides” argument is being rolled out again. Good luck, ‘Murica, it was nice knowing ya.
    Based on the supposition that 50% of what an unfamiliar source of information is saying might be true... that logic isn't sound enough for you? 
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,171
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    First - they define it as 'a sampling'. That doesn't tell anything about how large this actual database is. You could extrapolate huge numbers, or tiny numbers based on this with this missing point. Is this close to 100% of them? Close to 2% of them? That matters a LOT. 

    Next - they talk about how 1,561 instances of voter fraud have been found across the entire country. That includes all years dating to the beginning of the database's collection period (1979). If you look at the pure number since 2020 (which is conservative since it includes all fraudulent numbers since then which covers other elections other than Presidential, it's roughly 240 events (15 records per page, 16 pages). 240 fucking events across the entire country, where the closest margin state (Arizona) was won by Biden by a margin of 10,457. 

    What a total disingenuous crock of shit (shocker). You don't deserve criticism for being disenfranchised with the process, because folks like the Heritage Foundation are lying to you. If you're confronted with facts like these and choose to ignore them though, then you should be prepared for criticism based on evidence (in other words - legitimate debate). 
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,714
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    Heritage Foundation is the guys who wrote Project 2025. Simply an extremist organization.

    Like I said, I do not endorse or pretend to understand that organization. Say 50% of what they publish is actually true. There is still something there. On both sides.
    Stop it. I'm going to get alcohol poisoning from taking all these "both sides" shots.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,247
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

    Just a thought. 
    I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.

    It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions. 
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,247
    benjs said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    First - they define it as 'a sampling'. That doesn't tell anything about how large this actual database is. You could extrapolate huge numbers, or tiny numbers based on this with this missing point. Is this close to 100% of them? Close to 2% of them? That matters a LOT. 

    Next - they talk about how 1,561 instances of voter fraud have been found across the entire country. That includes all years dating to the beginning of the database's collection period (1979). If you look at the pure number since 2020 (which is conservative since it includes all fraudulent numbers since then which covers other elections other than Presidential, it's roughly 240 events (15 records per page, 16 pages). 240 fucking events across the entire country, where the closest margin state (Arizona) was won by Biden by a margin of 10,457. 

    What a total disingenuous crock of shit (shocker). You don't deserve criticism for being disenfranchised with the process, because folks like the Heritage Foundation are lying to you. If you're confronted with facts like these and choose to ignore them though, then you should be prepared for criticism based on evidence (in other words - legitimate debate). 

    Fair comment, and like I said, I do not endorse or understand their metrics. It is just another source on the internet so i do not take it as gospel. My point is that both sides are slinging mud. Who can you believe anymore?
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,171
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

    Just a thought. 
    I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.

    It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions. 
    Please. Only one side is extrapolating that 250 known voter fraud offences since 2020 is a grave concern, in an attempt to discredit all results. Repeat: only one fucking side is doing this. 
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,247
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

    And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,579
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

    Just a thought. 
    I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.

    It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions. 
    This is just word salad. 

    Go be disenfranchised if you want, but if you want to talk both sides, have something to base your argument on, not an assumption that maybe 50% of something might be true.
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,247
    benjs said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

    Just a thought. 
    I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.

    It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions. 
    Please. Only one side is extrapolating that 250 known voter fraud offences since 2020 is a grave concern, in an attempt to discredit all results. Repeat: only one fucking side is doing this. 

    But it is happening. Even on a small scale it is worth discussing. In 2024, is there any reason this should be happening? In this digital age?  It just makes me scratch my head as to why everything our government manages, feels so antiquated. Six weeks to get a passport. Maybe they should be talking about that level of inefficiency. I think it is the same with the voting process. I will show up and vote next week, but I am not sure that I really feel strongly about one or the other.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

    And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
    Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

    Just a thought. 
    I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.

    It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions. 
    Okay, you Indy, you, name those exceptions you applaud.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,247
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

    And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
    Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

    Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

    And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
    You obviously haven’t been reading the WaPo. Psssst, you don’t need the “liberal media” to tell you who to believe. Duh.

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

    And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
    Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

    Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 
    The question isn't whether you believe we are down a Nazi path.  Hyperbole runs rampant in an election.  The question is whether he is a threat to it institutions and allies. Or is Harris.   In that,  you should be able to draw your own conclusions simply by listening both of them speak and listening to their surrogates  

    Direct information is actually available to you. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    2023
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

    And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
    Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

    Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 
    Ummm, sure they do.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,579
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

    And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
    Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

    Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 

    Take some pepto bismal and read up on some of the language Nazis used when talking about communities they were targeting. 

    History is there for those who want to learn it. 
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,247
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

    And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
    Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

    Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 
    The question isn't whether you believe we are down a Nazi path.  Hyperbole runs rampant in an election.  The question is whether he is a threat to it institutions and allies. Or is Harris.   In that,  you should be able to draw your own conclusions simply by listening both of them speak and listening to their surrogates  

    Direct information is actually available to you. 

    Please elaborate. What institutions, allies, are at risk, and what information is available to me that I have not already seen?   
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
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    Apparently, doing your own research is a challenge. For some.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,565
    edited October 30
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

    Just a thought. 
    I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. 
    In what way does a percentage higher or lower taxes or whatever matter for the upcoming four years VS voting in a normal human being with normal competent human beings around her and Trump and his gang of PARDON MY FRENCH racist and women-hating freaks ?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,247
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

    And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
    Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

    Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 

    Take some pepto bismal and read up on some of the language Nazis used when talking about communities they were targeting. 

    History is there for those who want to learn it. 

    I do not need any Pepto. If I do it is about how broken our system is. Trump is not going to unleash genocide on 6 million people. That is extremist bullshit. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,565
    Aubrey Plaza just told Tony Hindcliffe or whatever that masterful roasters name is to fuck himself.

    Weird, doesn't she know that comedy is laughing along with racism?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,630
    edited October 30
    Sound familiar? Gee, where have I heard this before? I wonder, where might it have been?

    So I might have been tempted to let this all slide, were it not for the reactions — first by JD Vance and then by Trump himself.

    “Maybe it’s a stupid, racist joke,” Vance said, claiming not to have seen the Puerto Rico comments, but “maybe it’s not.”

    In any event, he suggested, critics needed to lighten up. “Our country was built by frontiersmen who conquered the wilderness,” Vance said. “We’re not going to restore the greatness of American civilization if we get offended at every little thing. Let’s have a sense of humor and let’s have a little fun.”

    A sense of humor? A little fun? You might think Vance, given the campaign’s position, could manage the same in the face of a surrogate who called a U.S. territory populated by U.S. citizens a “floating island of garbage.”

    No. “I think that we have to stop getting so offended at every little thing in the United States of America,” Vance said. “I’m just — I’m so over it,” he said. But this, as much as Vance might wish, is not about political correctness or knee-jerk oversensitivity. It’s about common decency. Apparently, that’s too much for the GOP’s vice-presidential nominee to muster.

    And you may have thought they were laughing at the “carving watermelons joke,” but you know:

    This Trump ego-stroking would be harmless if that were all that is happening. But the slavish devotion is accompanied by the foul concoction of racism, misogyny and vitriol brewed by Trump himself. The warm-up acts ape their leader. The extreme, insulting language — the vileness — comes from the top. He called Harris “retarded,” “mentally disabled,” and “a sh-- vice president” — the latter in front of the  Catholic cardinal of New York.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/29/hate-madisonsquaregarden-sunday-trump-vance/


    Their whole political movement is based on getting offended by every little thing. A book has a gay character? It's offensive-- take it out of school libraries. Referring to the nation's history of slavery and segregation? It's offensive-- never speak of it. Coastal elites look down on "real Americans." It's offensive. Etc., etc. The list of things that they take offense to is practically endless. Bunch of hypocrites.

    EDIT: And now the Biden thing has them in high dudgeon. Put a possessive apostrophe at the end of "supporters" and it's a pretty obvious point he's making.
    Post edited by BF25394 on
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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,630
    pjl44 said:
    BF25394 said:
    pjl44 said:
    This last week will be a fireworks show grand finale of bullshit 
    It will be even worse after next Tuesday.
    I have to go to the Monday David Gilmour MSG show because there is no chance I want to deal with Manhattan on Tuesday or after
    I plan on trying to be uncomfortably numb from Tuesday through roughly January.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

    And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
    Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

    Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 
    The question isn't whether you believe we are down a Nazi path.  Hyperbole runs rampant in an election.  The question is whether he is a threat to it institutions and allies. Or is Harris.   In that,  you should be able to draw your own conclusions simply by listening both of them speak and listening to their surrogates  

    Direct information is actually available to you. 

    Please elaborate. What institutions, allies, are at risk, and what information is available to me that I have not already seen?   
    Trump said he's going to disband the FBI, kill the DOE, and make the Fed under the Executive Branch,  effectively politicizing it. He also threatens to leave NATO, the agreement that has delivered intercontinental peace for 80 years now. He also routinely sides with Russia,  with he and Musk maintaining contact for the last four years.  This is while Russia is a sanctioned state who is allies with China,  NK and Iran. 

    His solution to end the war in Ukraine is to give Russia the Eastern Oblasts. That will give Russia control of the largest grain supply in the world and cut Ukraine off from the Dnipro.  

  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,579
    edited October 30
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

    And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?
    Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

    Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 

    Take some pepto bismal and read up on some of the language Nazis used when talking about communities they were targeting. 

    History is there for those who want to learn it. 

    I do not need any Pepto. If I do it is about how broken our system is. Trump is not going to unleash genocide on 6 million people. That is extremist bullshit. 
    Boo hoo, they're using literal Nazi quotes and the comparisons are apt. 

    Your sensitivity to this fair comparison undermines your claims of not favoring one candidate over the other. 
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,630
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Nothing says good political instincts like turning a roast comic loose and following that up with Stephen Miller 
    it's really something, isn't it? prior to the age of trump, any ONE of the thousand things this party has done in the last 8 years would have absolutely SUNK them in campaigns past. 
    At this point I'm convinced it's a Brewster's Millions situation where there is some insane reward for whichever campaign loses
    Brewster's Millions!

    https://x.com/SteveGuest/status/1851421311785959703


    We gotta get this guy out of the race!
    That’s it… I’m not going to vote for trump OR Biden this time around. 

    Side note: after the way Biden’s family was dragged through the mud these last 5 years, the man’s entitled to say whatever the f he wants. Obviously the election is most important at the moment, but I digress. 
    Get_Right said:
    Heritage Foundation is the guys who wrote Project 2025. Simply an extremist organization.

    Like I said, I do not endorse or pretend to understand that organization. Say 50% of what they publish is actually true. There is still something there. On both sides.
    Say none of it is true.
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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,630
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

    Just a thought. 
    I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.

    It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions. 
    The polls have barely budged from 45 days ago. The vast majority of people decided who they're voting for long before any late-campaign ads. It is only because the race is close that the relatively small sliver of (mostly underinformed) undecided people will be determinative.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,247
    Get_Right said:
    Get_Right said:
    I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

    Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

    And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

    You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

    Just a thought. 
    I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. 
    In what way does a percentage higher or lower taxes or whatever matter for the upcoming four years VS voting in a normal human being with normal competent human beings around her and Trump and his gang of PARDON MY FRENCH racist and women-hating freaks ?

    For better or worse, I am stuck in the middle. Neither candidate will change my taxes in a significant way. And tariffs will not impact my cost of living unless there is a tariff on fuel. Yes there are strong character issues with Trump, but is Kamala demonstrating any strong characteristics that are inspiring?  Nothing is moving me in either direction, it may come down to the lesser of two evils, which sucks.
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