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The 2023 Tour Speculation Thread - Potential Dates/Cities, Logistics/Data & Wishlists **UPDATED**

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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,696
    So no shows for 23? 

    I hope there will be shows in 2023. 
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    Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 3,927
    edited January 2023
    Just some data for those of us still holding out for a Spring leg. If we're sticking with April/May as a time-frame (Krist's blog, Apollo line rumor, etc.), here's where the boys stand with Josh K. as the factor.
    If Josh is touring with Iggy & the Losers, then the open dates for PJ would be the following:
    • Sat. April 1st - Tue. April 18th
    • Mon. May 1st - early June
    This is because The Losers have dates from April 20th to April 29th. If Josh is playing with both bands (and giving him a day to relax between them lol), then this is what you're left with.
    If Josh was just a one-off for the Kimmel performance last week, then he & the boys are available all through April & May. BUT...
    If Josh, Andrew Watt & Chad are plotting with Ed for some Earthlings dates, then all of a sudden this looks like 2008 again. A bunch of Ed solo dates, some PJ in the summer, and more Ed in the fall. I think it's going to be a mix of 2008, 2016, and last year. A little Ed here, a little PJ there. Rinse & repeat. So, here are the open dates for Pearl Jam AND the Earthlings, if that's the route they go with.
    • PJ: Sat. April 1st - Tue. April 18th is possible (give, or take Mar. 30th & 31st)
    • Iggy & The Losers: Thu. April 20th - Sat. April 29th (confirmed)
    • PJ: Mon. May 1st - Thu. May 25th is possible
    • Earthlings: Sat. May 27th - Thu. June 15th is possible
    • PJ: most likely on break unless they book a festival, or a ballpark
    • Earthlings: Tue. July 25th - Sun. Aug. 6th is possible (Glen & Markéta's tour starts on 08/08/23 at the Ryman)
    • PJ: Tue. Aug. 8th - rest of the year is possible
    • Swell Season (Glen & Markéta): Tue. Aug. 8th - Sun. Aug. 27th (confirmed)
    • Earthlings: Tue. Aug 29th - rest of the year is possible (including Ohana in September)
    Data!
    Post edited by Go Animal on
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, all of Vitalogy or Satan's Bed, Gremmie Out Of Control, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways (full band), You Are, Bu$hleaguer, Inside Job, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Of The Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Comfortably Numb, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!

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    tylermooretylermoore St. Joseph, MI Posts: 883
    May-June would make more sense with most of the playoffs being done in the arenas. I like the sound of that 
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    Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 3,927
    May-June would make more sense with most of the playoffs being done in the arenas. I like the sound of that 
    I'd be down with that. That would be more of a 2008 vibe, with a mix of outdoor & indoor venues. I just want another Hartford date, lol. Don't care when.
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, all of Vitalogy or Satan's Bed, Gremmie Out Of Control, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways (full band), You Are, Bu$hleaguer, Inside Job, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Of The Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Comfortably Numb, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!

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    treestrees Columbus OHIO Posts: 1,806
    edited January 2023
    I was listening to the 2021  bootlegs the first one of 4 and they said they wanted to Gigaton "inside joke " clearly on The bootleg cd you can hear the little story, so I think that's what's going to happen very soon there going to tour or a Gigaton of shows 
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    PJ Cuyahoga Flalls OH 8/26/1998
    PJ Noblesviile IN 8/18/2000
    PJ Cincinnatti OH 8/20/2000
    PJ Columbus OH 8/21/2000
    PJ Columbus OH 6/24/2003
    PJ Hamilton Ontario 9/13/2005
    PJ Phiadelphia PA 10/3/2005
    PJ Cleveland OH 5/20/2006
    PJ Columbia SC 6/16/2008.....
    e.V Chicago IL 8/21/2008
    e.V Philly PA 6/11/2009
    e.V Bailtimore MD 6/14/2009...
    PJ Chicago IL 8/23/2009
    .PJ...Philly PA 10/27/2009 PJ.Philadephia PA 10/28/2009.
    PJ Columbus OH 5/6/2010
    PJ Cleveland OH 5/9/2010.
    BRAD Columbus OH 10/5/2010
    e.V St.Louis MO 7/1/2011
    .PJ.. East Troy WI 9/3/2011..PJ..East Troy WI 9/4/2011
    Neil Young & Crazy Horse Cleveland OH 10/8/2012
    RNDM Chicago IL11/13/2012
    Alice In Chains/SoundGarden Columbus OH 5/19/2013
    AIC Fort Wayne IN 5/21/2013
    PJ Pittsburgh PA 10/11/2013
    AIC Cincinnati OH 5/17/2014
    AIC Cleveland OH 5/19/2014
    AIC Indianapolis IN 8/19/2014
    PJ Cincinnati OH 10/1/2014
    AIC Cincinnati OH 8/06/2015
    RNDM Chicago IL 3/15/2016
    PJ Columbia SC 4\21\2016
    PJ Lexington KY 4/26/2016
    PJ Chicago IL 8/20/2016
    Soundgarden Columbus OH 5/20/2017 Canceled RIP Chris
    AIC Columbus OH 5/18/2018 
    PJ Chicago IL 8/18/2018 PJ Chicago IL 8/20/2018
    PJ St Louis Missouri 9/18/2022
    AIC Cuyohoga falls Oh. 8/16/2019
    SHAWNSMITH Rip 2019Mark Lanegan Band 5/18/19
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    Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 3,927
    edited January 2023
    trees said:
    I was listening to the 2021  bootlegs the first one of 4 and they said they wanted to Gigaton "inside joke " clearly on The bootleg cd you can hear thd little story, so I think that's what's going to happen very soon there going to tour or a Gigaton of shows 


    And that brings us back to 2016. I had tickets for Tampa & MSG. Despite being out for 2 1/2 years, Lightning Bolt was still "new" to me lol. So, that's why I keep going back to that tour as a template. 
    Post edited by Go Animal on
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, all of Vitalogy or Satan's Bed, Gremmie Out Of Control, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways (full band), You Are, Bu$hleaguer, Inside Job, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Of The Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Comfortably Numb, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!

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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,696
    Go Animal said:
    trees said:
    I was listening to the 2021  bootlegs the first one of 4 and they said they wanted to Gigaton "inside joke " clearly on The bootleg cd you can hear thd little story, so I think that's what's going to happen very soon there going to tour or a Gigaton of shows 


    And that brings us back to 2016. I had tickets for Tampa & MSG. Despite being out for 2 1/2 years, Lightning Bolt was still "new" to me lol. So, that's why I keep going back to that tour as a template. 

    Good template man.
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    Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 3,927
    edited January 2023
    Go Animal said:
    Just some data for those of us still holding out for a Spring leg. If we're sticking with April/May as a time-frame (Krist's blog, Apollo line rumor, etc.), here's where the boys stand with Josh K. as the factor.
    If Josh is touring with Iggy & the Losers, then the open dates for PJ would be the following:
    • Sat. April 1st - Tue. April 18th
    • Mon. May 1st - early June
    This is because The Losers have dates from April 20th to April 29th. If Josh is playing with both bands (and giving him a day to relax between them lol), then this is what you're left with.
    If Josh was just a one-off for the Kimmel performance last week, then he & the boys are available all through April & May. BUT...
    If Josh, Andrew Watt & Chad are plotting with Ed for some Earthlings dates, then all of a sudden this looks like 2008 again. A bunch of Ed solo dates, some PJ in the summer, and more Ed in the fall. I think it's going to be a mix of 2008, 2016, and last year. A little Ed here, a little PJ there. Rinse & repeat. So, here are the open dates for Pearl Jam AND the Earthlings, if that's the route they go with.
    • PJ: Sat. April 1st - Tue. April 18th is possible (give, or take Mar. 30th & 31st)
    • Iggy & The Losers: Thu. April 20th - Sat. April 29th (confirmed)
    • PJ: Mon. May 1st - Thu. May 25th is possible
    • Earthlings: Sat. May 27th - Thu. June 15th is possible
    • PJ: most likely on break unless they book a festival, or a ballpark
    • Earthlings: Tue. July 25th - Sun. Aug. 6th is possible (Glen & Markéta's tour starts on 08/08/23 at the Ryman)
    • PJ: Tue. Aug. 8th - rest of the year is possible
    • Swell Season (Glen & Markéta): Tue. Aug. 8th - Sun. Aug. 27th (confirmed)
    • Earthlings: Tue. Aug 29th - rest of the year is possible (including Ohana in September)
    Data!
    More data!
    With Ohana conformed for Sept. 29th - Oct. 1st, I'm focusing my Leg 2/September research around it. I'm thinking Ohana, then if the ACL thing comes true, then we'll have that as a possible end date.
    October/November isn't out of the realm of possibility, but the last time they played that late in the year was 2014 in the US, and 2015 in South America.
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, all of Vitalogy or Satan's Bed, Gremmie Out Of Control, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways (full band), You Are, Bu$hleaguer, Inside Job, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Of The Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Comfortably Numb, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!

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    Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 3,927


    Josh will be unavailable for PJ during all current and future Jane's Addiction shows
    Thanks for the heads up, @Weston128! (from the rumor thread)
    With this in mind, if Josh is still in the mix with all parties, here's his schedule:
    • 03/07 - Rialto Theatre - Tuscon, AZ (Jane's)
    • 03/09 - Hollywood Palladium - Hollywood, CA (Jane's)
    • 03/11 - Grand Sierra - Reno, NV (Jane's)
    • 03/12 - The Cosmopolitan - Las Vegas, NV (Jane's)
    • 03/18 - Lollapalooza Argentina (Jane's)
    • 03/19 - Lollapalooza Chile (Jane's)
    • 03/25 - Lollapalooza Brazil (Jane's)
    I think this is notable, because I think it finally confirms that Josh won't be touring with Iggy & the Losers. And like @PJNB pointed out, depending on when these international dates are, I don't think PJ will be affected. They'll work it out.
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, all of Vitalogy or Satan's Bed, Gremmie Out Of Control, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways (full band), You Are, Bu$hleaguer, Inside Job, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Of The Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Comfortably Numb, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!

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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,696
    Go Animal said:


    Josh will be unavailable for PJ during all current and future Jane's Addiction shows
    Thanks for the heads up, @Weston128! (from the rumor thread)
    With this in mind, if Josh is still in the mix with all parties, here's his schedule:
    • 03/07 - Rialto Theatre - Tuscon, AZ (Jane's)
    • 03/09 - Hollywood Palladium - Hollywood, CA (Jane's)
    • 03/11 - Grand Sierra - Reno, NV (Jane's)
    • 03/12 - The Cosmopolitan - Las Vegas, NV (Jane's)
    • 03/18 - Lollapalooza Argentina (Jane's)
    • 03/19 - Lollapalooza Chile (Jane's)
    • 03/25 - Lollapalooza Brazil (Jane's)
    I think this is notable, because I think it finally confirms that Josh won't be touring with Iggy & the Losers. And like @PJNB pointed out, depending on when these international dates are, I don't think PJ will be affected. They'll work it out.


    Hopefully "some additional international shows to be announced soon" doesn't fall under spring / summer dates.

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    camhendycamhendy Posts: 155
    edited March 2023
    @Go Animal With the activity in the rumour thread should we get this fired back up again? Some real smoke around late summer/fall. What says you? 
    2013: London
    2016: Ottawa
    2018: Wrigley 1 & 2
    2022: Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
    2023: Innings Fest (EV), Ft Worth 1 & 2, Austin 1 & 2


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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,991
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,084
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    Because if you had to choose which band to play in. Pearl Jam or Janes Addiction, which one would you choose?  If PJ was planning on touring, I have to image he'd make the same choice I would :)
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    Mr. FixerMr. Fixer Posts: 586
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason.  It is nonsensical.
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    Foriginal SinForiginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,747
    Zod said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    Because if you had to choose which band to play in. Pearl Jam or Janes Addiction, which one would you choose?  If PJ was planning on touring, I have to image he'd make the same choice I would :)
    Do not go see Jane’s Addiction. Buddy spent $300 on two tickets in Tempe a few years back and they played 58 mins. That’s it. Gtfoh 
    Chicago 6/29/98, Alpine Valley(EV) 6/13/99, Alpine Valley 10/08/00, Chicago 10/09/00, Phoenix 10/20/00, Orlando 4/12/03, Tampa 4/13/03, San Diego 6/05/03, Vegas 6/06/03, Phoenix 6/07/03, Chicago 6/18/03, Alpine Valley 6/21/03, Orlando 10/08/04, D.C. 10/11/04, Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, LA 7/12/08, Chicago 8/23/09, Chicago 8/24/09, LA 10/07/09, San Diego 10/09/09 (Front Row Center, Finally), Phoenix(EV) 11/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Phoenix 11/19/13, Denver 10/22/14, Wrigley 8/20/16, Wrigley 8/22/16
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,084
    Zod said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    Because if you had to choose which band to play in. Pearl Jam or Janes Addiction, which one would you choose?  If PJ was planning on touring, I have to image he'd make the same choice I would :)
    Do not go see Jane’s Addiction. Buddy spent $300 on two tickets in Tempe a few years back and they played 58 mins. That’s it. Gtfoh 
    I saw them open for the Smashing Pumpkins a few months ago in Vancouver.   They worked as an opener, because your supposed to play a shorter set, it means less filler, and you leaving the bigger set the headliner.  They were ok, which is pretty much as they've been every time I saw them.

    At Lolla 2003 in Auburn, WA, Audioslave played before Janes' Addiction closed.   Not a great idea to have a high energy band play before a lower energy band... the whole crowd kind of deflated :)
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    Foriginal SinForiginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,747
    Zod said:
    Zod said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    Because if you had to choose which band to play in. Pearl Jam or Janes Addiction, which one would you choose?  If PJ was planning on touring, I have to image he'd make the same choice I would :)
    Do not go see Jane’s Addiction. Buddy spent $300 on two tickets in Tempe a few years back and they played 58 mins. That’s it. Gtfoh 
    I saw them open for the Smashing Pumpkins a few months ago in Vancouver.   They worked as an opener, because your supposed to play a shorter set, it means less filler, and you leaving the bigger set the headliner.  They were ok, which is pretty much as they've been every time I saw them.

    At Lolla 2003 in Auburn, WA, Audioslave played before Janes' Addiction closed.   Not a great idea to have a high energy band play before a lower energy band... the whole crowd kind of deflated :)
    This show, they were the headliner. 58 mins. Ive heard of better shows at the county fair 
    Chicago 6/29/98, Alpine Valley(EV) 6/13/99, Alpine Valley 10/08/00, Chicago 10/09/00, Phoenix 10/20/00, Orlando 4/12/03, Tampa 4/13/03, San Diego 6/05/03, Vegas 6/06/03, Phoenix 6/07/03, Chicago 6/18/03, Alpine Valley 6/21/03, Orlando 10/08/04, D.C. 10/11/04, Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, LA 7/12/08, Chicago 8/23/09, Chicago 8/24/09, LA 10/07/09, San Diego 10/09/09 (Front Row Center, Finally), Phoenix(EV) 11/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Phoenix 11/19/13, Denver 10/22/14, Wrigley 8/20/16, Wrigley 8/22/16
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,991
    edited March 2023
    Mr. Fixer said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason.  It is nonsensical.
    Yeah, I didn't see adding Josh as a permanent thing. Maybe it turns out to be, but they are very capable of playing without him. I don't think his availability will weigh heavily on any decisions. I sort of assume that with Boom as well. They tell him what dates they are playing, and he clears his calendar. If he can't, they'll play without him. They're not going to check his grandson's little league schedule and work around that.
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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 12,734
    mace1229 said:
    Mr. Fixer said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason.  It is nonsensical.
    Yeah, I didn't see adding Josh as a permanent thing. Maybe it turns out to be, but they are very capable of playing without him. I don't think his availability will weigh heavily on any decisions. I sort of assume that with Boom as well. They tell him what dates they are playing, and he clears his calendar. If he can't, they'll play without him. They're not going to check his grandson's little league schedule and work around that.
    No one is saying they are moving things around for Josh. People are saying Josh is able to do other things because Pearl Jam is not touring. 
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,991
    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    Mr. Fixer said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason.  It is nonsensical.
    Yeah, I didn't see adding Josh as a permanent thing. Maybe it turns out to be, but they are very capable of playing without him. I don't think his availability will weigh heavily on any decisions. I sort of assume that with Boom as well. They tell him what dates they are playing, and he clears his calendar. If he can't, they'll play without him. They're not going to check his grandson's little league schedule and work around that.
    No one is saying they are moving things around for Josh. People are saying Josh is able to do other things because Pearl Jam is not touring. 
    I thought I saw some also implying PJ wont do certain dates because Josh is not available.
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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,696
    New England 2023 tour dates please!
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,478
    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    Mr. Fixer said:
    mace1229 said:
    Long thread that I didnt read all of, so apologies if this has been addressed.
    But why are we assuming PJ dates where Josh is busy wont happen? They played 30 years without him and a few shows with him. It didn't even cross my mind they he would be a shoe-in for the next tour. 
    It is assumed because it is the name logic that is used when some fans state that EV won't do any touring during the Fall months due to the CUBS playing in the MLB postseason.  It is nonsensical.
    Yeah, I didn't see adding Josh as a permanent thing. Maybe it turns out to be, but they are very capable of playing without him. I don't think his availability will weigh heavily on any decisions. I sort of assume that with Boom as well. They tell him what dates they are playing, and he clears his calendar. If he can't, they'll play without him. They're not going to check his grandson's little league schedule and work around that.
    No one is saying they are moving things around for Josh. People are saying Josh is able to do other things because Pearl Jam is not touring. 

    This. Josh can do what he wants because there are no PJ dates planned. ACL would not surprise me because of the payday and that would be great because it usually means a few dates around the festival. They just played in September. That usually means years before more dates. Hope I am wrong.
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    Foriginal SinForiginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,747
    edited March 2023
    I know everyone speculates and loves to hope but the odds of them touring in 2023 don’t look good to me based on their history. 2022 they played their most shows in a year since 2009 but that was 13 years prior (and younger). Since then

    2014: 32 shows
    2015: 11 
    2016: 25 shows
    2017: 1
    2018: 26 shows
    2019: 0
    2022: 33 shows
    2023: ?

    might play some randoms and hope they tour but they might be off for another year (at least)
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    Chicago 6/29/98, Alpine Valley(EV) 6/13/99, Alpine Valley 10/08/00, Chicago 10/09/00, Phoenix 10/20/00, Orlando 4/12/03, Tampa 4/13/03, San Diego 6/05/03, Vegas 6/06/03, Phoenix 6/07/03, Chicago 6/18/03, Alpine Valley 6/21/03, Orlando 10/08/04, D.C. 10/11/04, Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, LA 7/12/08, Chicago 8/23/09, Chicago 8/24/09, LA 10/07/09, San Diego 10/09/09 (Front Row Center, Finally), Phoenix(EV) 11/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Phoenix 11/19/13, Denver 10/22/14, Wrigley 8/20/16, Wrigley 8/22/16
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,478
    I know everyone speculates and loves to hope but the odds of them touring in 2023 don’t look good to me based on their history. 2022 they played their most shows in a year since 2009 but that was 13 years prior (and younger). Since then

    2014: 32 shows
    2015: 11 
    2016: 25 shows
    2017: 1
    2018: 26 shows
    2019: 4
    2022: 33 shows
    2023: ?

    might play some randoms and hope they tour but they might be off for another year (at least)
    That is correct except you are missing the 2021 shows. Hopefully they are working on a record because a record means more shows. There is still hope for 2023 as the festival paydays are huge and ACL in October would be a year after the last shows. I am not expecting 2023 shows, but it would be nice if there were!
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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 12,734
    edited March 2023
    2019 had no shows. 

    I think they hit some missed markets this year and either take next year off touring North America or hit it big with a new album. 
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    Foriginal SinForiginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,747
    Get_Right said:
    I know everyone speculates and loves to hope but the odds of them touring in 2023 don’t look good to me based on their history. 2022 they played their most shows in a year since 2009 but that was 13 years prior (and younger). Since then

    2014: 32 shows
    2015: 11 
    2016: 25 shows
    2017: 1
    2018: 26 shows
    2019: 4
    2022: 33 shows
    2023: ?

    might play some randoms and hope they tour but they might be off for another year (at least)
    That is correct except you are missing the 2021 shows. Hopefully they are working on a record because a record means more shows. There is still hope for 2023 as the festival paydays are huge and ACL in October would be a year after the last shows. I am not expecting 2023 shows, but it would be nice if there were!
    I mixed up 2019 and 2021 which proves my point more. I’ll adjust 
    Chicago 6/29/98, Alpine Valley(EV) 6/13/99, Alpine Valley 10/08/00, Chicago 10/09/00, Phoenix 10/20/00, Orlando 4/12/03, Tampa 4/13/03, San Diego 6/05/03, Vegas 6/06/03, Phoenix 6/07/03, Chicago 6/18/03, Alpine Valley 6/21/03, Orlando 10/08/04, D.C. 10/11/04, Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, LA 7/12/08, Chicago 8/23/09, Chicago 8/24/09, LA 10/07/09, San Diego 10/09/09 (Front Row Center, Finally), Phoenix(EV) 11/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Phoenix 11/19/13, Denver 10/22/14, Wrigley 8/20/16, Wrigley 8/22/16
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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 12,734
    They went on a span of over 3 years with no shows recently. Looking at what has been a normal touring pattern the last handful of years is probably not going to be helpful guessing if they are going to play this year. On top of that they also released an album and have yet to hit a lot of major markets since then. 2 of those cities have been mentioned in the rumour thread. Seattle has to be in that mix as well if they are playing this year. 
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    Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 3,927
    string firstLeg = "Summer";
    string secondLeg = "Fall";
    Console.data.pathways($"I gather speed {firstLeg} and {secondLeg}")_ //2023

    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, all of Vitalogy or Satan's Bed, Gremmie Out Of Control, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways (full band), You Are, Bu$hleaguer, Inside Job, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Of The Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Comfortably Numb, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!

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    Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 3,927
    _data_dump_incoming_:)
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, all of Vitalogy or Satan's Bed, Gremmie Out Of Control, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways (full band), You Are, Bu$hleaguer, Inside Job, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Of The Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Comfortably Numb, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!

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