****UNOFFICIAL OTTAWA COMMUNITY SETLIST THREAD - 09/03/2022****

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  • MM70435
    MM70435 Posts: 308
    I am OK with the 23 songs.  Just please bring back RVM sometimes instead of Porch as a first set closer at every show.  Not complaining about it by any means.  Just requesting.  Would still rather hear them play Porch every show over any other band playing any other song.
    00 - Atlanta                                            10 - MSG I&2    
    03 - Birmingham, Atlanta                       22 - L̶a̶s̶ ̶V̶e̶g̶a̶s̶, Camden, Nashville   
    04 - Asheville, Kissimmee                     23 -  Ft Worth 2                                                                                
    08 - Tampa, Columbia                           24 -  Philadelphia 1&2, Baltimore
    09 - Atlanta 1&2 (EV)                            25 -  Raleigh 2, Pittsburgh 1&2
                    " if hope could grow from dirt like me. It can be done.
  • foriginalsin
    foriginalsin Posts: 713
    Scorpcuz said:
    foriginalsin said:
    If they just took some of the jams out of some songs like corduroy, and shortened other jams, they could easily add 2-3 songs in the same total set length. 
    What's the point of that? We want to hear them Jam. I don't want shorter versions just to fit more songs.
    Corduroy never had a jam though. So that takes up a short song length. Im not saying either way is better or not better. I also love the jams. 
  • Renfield
    Renfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054
     Longueuil said:
    YL
    23. Yellow Ledbetter? Our relayer has left the building 
  • Mortality
    Mortality Posts: 156
    foriginalsin said:
    Ok, but when they do play a show thats over 26 songs,

    this place is gonna lose its shit. 
    YES. Exactly. Those special nights will still be there, and they will be considered special again. Instead of the band somehow owing it every single night. How long were the sets in the 90s? Some of the best shows ever were prob less than 25 songs. 
  • Discopij
    Discopij Posts: 480
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
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    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Still hard to swallow that the show is almost over 
    135 minutes in QC. There is no short set problem. The ridiculous 35 song sets are over because MC and EV are too old to do that at full quality, and have been for 10 years. The quality has been better after the pandemic. They are more focused.
    I don’t know how many times it has to get repeated over and over … nobody is asking for 35 … but all 10 shows I’ve been to since 2010 were 30 or more and we can’t even get 25 this year
    Yes, I know that. But it didn't become 23 songs because they are lazy and went to 90 min shows. They made a conscious decision to focus, slow down the tempo, and put on the highest quality show possible. The days of appeasing the setlist box checkers are over, and they never sounded better for it. They literally got their groove back. 
    But these 22 song sets are not better or more focused the the old 30 song sets.  We are losing an average of 7-10 songs and gaining nothing in return.  It’s not going to stop me from going to shows but I’m tired of people pretending it’s not a huge change l.
    They are better. Much better. The 2 shows saw in the last year are better than my 8 previous, and there is no competition until getting back to Philly Spectrum and Bonnaroo1. That's pre 2010. Matt learned how to drum in PJ during the pandemic and they sound like a new fucking band. Better than ever. 135 minutes in QC and it was only 22 songs because of the tempo and focus on quality. 
    We’re not going to agree on this .  58 year old Matt Cameron didn’t finally learn how to play drums for PJ in his 24th year with the band 
  • fsu2626
    fsu2626 Posts: 396
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Discopij said:
    100 Pacer said:
    Fuck quantity.

    Quality forever.
    I don’t ever remember quality being an issue when they played full shows before
    Correct.
    Agreed 
    https://livefootsteps.org/user/?user_id=203

  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    Renfield said:
     Longueuil said:
    YL
    23. Yellow Ledbetter? Our relayer has left the building 
    Confirmed 👍 
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • gotthebottle
    gotthebottle San Diego Posts: 3,733
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Still hard to swallow that the show is almost over 
    135 minutes in QC. There is no short set problem. The ridiculous 35 song sets are over because MC and EV are too old to do that at full quality, and have been for 10 years. The quality has been better after the pandemic. They are more focused.
    I don’t know how many times it has to get repeated over and over … nobody is asking for 35 … but all 10 shows I’ve been to since 2010 were 30 or more and we can’t even get 25 this year
    Yes, I know that. But it didn't become 23 songs because they are lazy and went to 90 min shows. They made a conscious decision to focus, slow down the tempo, and put on the highest quality show possible. The days of appeasing the setlist box checkers are over, and they never sounded better for it. They literally got their groove back. 
    But these 22 song sets are not better or more focused the the old 30 song sets.  We are losing an average of 7-10 songs and gaining nothing in return.  It’s not going to stop me from going to shows but I’m tired of people pretending it’s not a huge change l.
    Yep... stop trying to explain blah blah blah... it's alot shorter and that's what we're talking about. Agree with discopij
  • Bunting10
    Bunting10 Massachusetts, USA Posts: 774
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Still hard to swallow that the show is almost over 
    135 minutes in QC. There is no short set problem. The ridiculous 35 song sets are over because MC and EV are too old to do that at full quality, and have been for 10 years. The quality has been better after the pandemic. They are more focused.
    I don’t know how many times it has to get repeated over and over … nobody is asking for 35 … but all 10 shows I’ve been to since 2010 were 30 or more and we can’t even get 25 this year
    Yes, I know that. But it didn't become 23 songs because they are lazy and went to 90 min shows. They made a conscious decision to focus, slow down the tempo, and put on the highest quality show possible. The days of appeasing the setlist box checkers are over, and they never sounded better for it. They literally got their groove back. 
    But these 22 song sets are not better or more focused the the old 30 song sets.  We are losing an average of 7-10 songs and gaining nothing in return.  It’s not going to stop me from going to shows but I’m tired of people pretending it’s not a huge change l.
    They are better. Much better. The 2 shows saw in the last year are better than my 8 previous, and there is no competition until getting back to Philly Spectrum and Bonnaroo1. That's pre 2010. Matt learned how to drum in PJ during the pandemic and they sound like a new fucking band. Better than ever. 135 minutes in QC and it was only 22 songs because of the tempo and focus on quality. 
    We’re not going to agree on this .  58 year old Matt Cameron didn’t finally learn how to play drums for PJ in his 24th year with the band 
    Yeah thought that was weird.  He’s the longest tenured drummer lol
    1998: Mansfield, MA (9/15)
    2000: Virginia Beach, VA (8/3), Saratoga Springs, NY (8/27), Mansfield, MA (8/29 and 8/30)
    2003: Albany, NY (4/29), Mansfield, MA (7/2 and 7/3), New York, NY (7/8 and 7/9)
    2006: Hartford, CT (5/23), Boston, MA (5/24 and 5/25)
    2009: Chicago, IL (8/23 and 8/24)
    2010: Boston, MA (5/17)
    2011: East Troy, WI (9/3 and 9/4)
    2013: Worcester, MA (10/15 and 10/16), Hartford, CT (10/25)
    2016: Boston, MA (8/5 and 8/7)
    2018: Boston, MA (9/2 and 9/4)
    2022: Camden, NJ (9/14)
    2024: Boston, MA (9/15 and 9/17)
  • Mortality
    Mortality Posts: 156
    Go Animal said:
    I listen to the 2021-2022 stuff a lot. It's becoming my favorite boot era.

    GTF, Even Flow, Daughter, and a bunch others from '00-'18 are skips for me now.

    They are now the best they've been since each of those songs came out.
    My man, you get it. I truly love MC, but he was not great at drumming pre-Binuaral PJ. During the pandemic he clearly learned the older catalogue and fixed all the tempo issues. Shit was a blessing. I was getting tired of watching them rush through 30 songs of fan service. Thought I might be done with shows until this revelation of getting the artistry back. 
  • Renfield
    Renfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054
    @Weston1283 Huge thanks to our relayer of the evening.

    Over to  @Go Animal for the final list

    @Longueuil. We posted at the same time, same minute, but you beat me every time 

    G’night all 
  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    edited September 2022
    Act III

    17. PORCH
    :encore break:
    18. BETTER MAN
    19. ELDERLY WOMAN BEHIND THE COUNTER IN A SMALL TOWN (rear stage)
    20. CRAZY MARY (V. Williams)
    21. ALIVE
    22. FUCKIN' UP (N. Young)
    23. YELLOW LEDBETTER
    :end of show:
    Post edited by Go Animal on
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • Bunting10
    Bunting10 Massachusetts, USA Posts: 774
    Renfield said:
    @Weston1283 Huge thanks to our relayer of the evening.

    Over to  @Go Animal for the final list

    @Longueuil. We posted at the same time, same minute, but you beat me every time 

    G’night all 
    Thank you all!!
    1998: Mansfield, MA (9/15)
    2000: Virginia Beach, VA (8/3), Saratoga Springs, NY (8/27), Mansfield, MA (8/29 and 8/30)
    2003: Albany, NY (4/29), Mansfield, MA (7/2 and 7/3), New York, NY (7/8 and 7/9)
    2006: Hartford, CT (5/23), Boston, MA (5/24 and 5/25)
    2009: Chicago, IL (8/23 and 8/24)
    2010: Boston, MA (5/17)
    2011: East Troy, WI (9/3 and 9/4)
    2013: Worcester, MA (10/15 and 10/16), Hartford, CT (10/25)
    2016: Boston, MA (8/5 and 8/7)
    2018: Boston, MA (9/2 and 9/4)
    2022: Camden, NJ (9/14)
    2024: Boston, MA (9/15 and 9/17)
  • Renfield
    Renfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054
    Go Animal said:
    Act III

    17. PORCH
    :encore break:
    18. BETTER MAN
    19. ELDERLY WOMAN BEHIND THE COUNTER IN A SMALL TOWN (rear stage)
    20. CRAZY MARY (V. Williams)
    21. ALIVE
    22. FUCKIN' UP (N. Young)
    23. YELLOW LEDBETTER
    :bow:  Thank you
  • RedMosquitoSmile28
    RedMosquitoSmile28 Posts: 386
    I've been following the setlists since start of the first North American swing, went to Phoenix, had Vegas tickets, and am set for Nashville, OKC, and Denver.

    While I too loved the 30-plus song shows and getting surprise songs, I have had very few issues with these sets. For the most part I think they've been pretty darn good. And pretty much all of them have had me go, wow, that's a good one at least once.

    I do kind of wish they'd get up to 25 or so songs, but nothing wrong with what they've given us. I'll gladly be there in a few weeks!
  • Discopij
    Discopij Posts: 480
    Bunting10 said:
    Renfield said:
    @Weston1283 Huge thanks to our relayer of the evening.

    Over to  @Go Animal for the final list

    @Longueuil. We posted at the same time, same minute, but you beat me every time 

    G’night all 
    Thank you all!!
    Yes thank you!!!
  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    Renfield said:
    @Weston1283 Huge thanks to our relayer of the evening.

    Over to  @Go Animal for the final list

    @Longueuil. We posted at the same time, same minute, but you beat me every time 

    G’night all.
    Hats off to @Weston1283 & @Renfield for getting it done, to @Longueuil for man on the street reporting, and 100 Pacer for continuity. 

    I love the vibe of this set! Great show :) let's hear some fanviews up top!!
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    Renfield said:
    Go Animal said:
    Act III

    17. PORCH
    :encore break:
    18. BETTER MAN
    19. ELDERLY WOMAN BEHIND THE COUNTER IN A SMALL TOWN (rear stage)
    20. CRAZY MARY (V. Williams)
    21. ALIVE
    22. FUCKIN' UP (N. Young)
    23. YELLOW LEDBETTER
    :bow:  Thank you
    Thank YOU, C!🙌
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • inMytree_19
    inMytree_19 Toronto, Canada Posts: 177
    Discopij said:
    inMytree_19 said:

    I don’t know how many times it has to get repeated over and over … nobody is asking for 35 … but all 10 shows I’ve been to since 2010 were 30 or more and we can’t even get 25 this year
    EV is turning 58. Matt and Jeff are 59. Try to sing with the same energy as Ed or get behind a drum kit for 2+ hours and let me know how you're feeling after. Man, complainers gonna complain. Just go enjoy these shows and the experience of seeing a legendary band with a community of fans like no other. No other band I've seen in the last 15 years are playing 30 songs per night. 
     Not asking for or even expecting 30 … but 25?  I don’t think it’s too much to ask for the best live band of the last 30 years

    If 2 or 3 more songs is the make or break for you, I guess you stay home? Again, these guys are all approaching 60 years old. They aren't robots, it takes a pile of energy to perform every few days. I'd travel to see them play for 45 mins.  They've earned the right to decide what show lengths and setlists are right for them. Can't appease everyone, but be realistic with your expectations. I plan to enjoy every single minute of seeing these guys live while we all still can.
    2008 - Mansfield
    2008 - Montreal (EV Solo)
    2011 - East Troy PJ20
    2011 - Ottawa
    2014 - Denver
    2015 - Rio de Janeiro
    2016 - Toronto x2
    2018 - Boston x2
    2022 - Quebec, Hamilton, Toronto
  • Mortality
    Mortality Posts: 156
    edited September 2022

    We’re not going to agree on this .  58 year old Matt Cameron didn’t finally learn how to play drums for PJ in his 24th year with the band 




    Then youre not listening. He joined under strange circumstances, and only had a few weeks to learn all the songs before touring. You think he took another year to re-learn them after that? He did, during the pandemic 20 years later. Its very strange, but they now sound better then they ever have becuase of it. And it has slowed the shows down enough to make 23 songs take over 2hours.
    Post edited by Mortality on

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