psst...8/19/22 part deux....

Philip_Ireland

Gern Blansten said:

Philip_Ireland said:

tino_11 said:

Philip_Ireland said:

Santos L. Halper said:

RS65573 said:

Prince increase + print more = worth nothing. Way to kill the golden goose.

Real shame that flippers can't flip. Real shame.

WTF- it’s ok for bands to profit off fans but definitely not ok for fans to make a profit off of a band’s merchandise. I don’t understand your logic. 

I don’t ‘flip’ but once I buy something, isn’t it mine? Why do posters have a “Say no to flippers” sticker on the back of them? It’s only proof that they are authentic, to a third party buyer. 

How can a band like Pearl Jam police what happens to their merchandise after they sell it, and, most importantly, why should they care? 

They want the good stuff to only land in loyal fans hands, please, stop! Release the merch, let it go- you guys make millions making albums, touring and selling merchandise, please forget the merchandise that you have sold! That’s in someone else’s hands, literally.
Jack White tried this same crap too. Please stop, if I buy something from a seller - it’s mine and I am free sell it, if I wish, and so stop bitching about what I do with it! Just saying 

Haha, of course it is. They are the artists after all. They also control supply, demand and message that goes out with their product. And of course they deserve to be paid. The same can’t be said for some chancer buying things up so other have to pay an inflated price. 

People can’t stop flippers of any collectible item, but if you don’t like the messages they put out then don’t buy (to sell!). 

You are evidently missing my point. They might control, supply and message (not sure how they would control demand, like you say - make a terrible album nobody buys it?) but once the product is out of their hands(obviously, respecting licensing issues) anyone can sell it if they want. I’m not a flipper but I resent being told what I can do with something that I have bought. 

Get over yourself. If you really want to sell it they aren't stopping you from doing that on your own.

Gern Blansten said:

Philip_Ireland said:

tino_11 said:

Philip_Ireland said:

Santos L. Halper said:

RS65573 said:

Prince increase + print more = worth nothing. Way to kill the golden goose.

Real shame that flippers can't flip. Real shame.

WTF- it’s ok for bands to profit off fans but definitely not ok for fans to make a profit off of a band’s merchandise. I don’t understand your logic. 

I don’t ‘flip’ but once I buy something, isn’t it mine? Why do posters have a “Say no to flippers” sticker on the back of them? It’s only proof that they are authentic, to a third party buyer. 

How can a band like Pearl Jam police what happens to their merchandise after they sell it, and, most importantly, why should they care? 

They want the good stuff to only land in loyal fans hands, please, stop! Release the merch, let it go- you guys make millions making albums, touring and selling merchandise, please forget the merchandise that you have sold! That’s in someone else’s hands, literally.
Jack White tried this same crap too. Please stop, if I buy something from a seller - it’s mine and I am free sell it, if I wish, and so stop bitching about what I do with it! Just saying 

Haha, of course it is. They are the artists after all. They also control supply, demand and message that goes out with their product. And of course they deserve to be paid. The same can’t be said for some chancer buying things up so other have to pay an inflated price. 

People can’t stop flippers of any collectible item, but if you don’t like the messages they put out then don’t buy (to sell!). 

You are evidently missing my point. They might control, supply and message (not sure how they would control demand, like you say - make a terrible album nobody buys it?) but once the product is out of their hands(obviously, respecting licensing issues) anyone can sell it if they want. I’m not a flipper but I resent being told what I can do with something that I have bought. 

Get over yourself. If you really want to sell it they aren't stopping you from doing that on your own.

Ha, I am over myself. I don’t flip - my point is, don’t tell people what to do with stuff they buy! Someone needs to tell these guys to stop saying “not for resale” on their products- this is totally unenforceable and, obviously not legal. 

” Once the work is lawfully sold or even transferred gratuitously, the copyright owner's interest in the material object in which the copyrighted work is embodied is exhausted. The owner of the material object can then dispose of it as they see fit. Thus, one who buys a copy of a book is entitled to resell it, rent it, give it away, or destroy it.”


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

mpedone

RS65573 said:

Santos L. Halper said:

RS65573 said:

Prince increase + print more = worth nothing. Way to kill the golden goose.

Real shame that flippers can't flip. Real shame.

This is not about flippers, its about collecting something with a value. I have many 100s of prints...I have 20 hanging all over my house. Making them worth nothing to a degree where they sell for $19 on ebay, makes me, and clearly many, out.

Or - and I know this is a bonkers idea, but hear me out - these are posters, not investments. Buy posters that have value to YOU, not to others.

tempo_n_groove

F Me In The Brain said:

Loujoe said:

F Me In The Brain said:

They can complain, I just think this forum is not someplace where people are going to respond the way they might hope.

Pretty sure sant[a]os has a list & checking it 2wice when mb's come around. See who's gets lost or double baby brained.

Hahaha.  Nutsack vulture for them!

Still ISO... Seriously, these shirts don't exist...

Gern Blansten

Philip_Ireland said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philip_Ireland said:

tino_11 said:

Philip_Ireland said:

Santos L. Halper said:

RS65573 said:

Prince increase + print more = worth nothing. Way to kill the golden goose.

Real shame that flippers can't flip. Real shame.

WTF- it’s ok for bands to profit off fans but definitely not ok for fans to make a profit off of a band’s merchandise. I don’t understand your logic. 

I don’t ‘flip’ but once I buy something, isn’t it mine? Why do posters have a “Say no to flippers” sticker on the back of them? It’s only proof that they are authentic, to a third party buyer. 

How can a band like Pearl Jam police what happens to their merchandise after they sell it, and, most importantly, why should they care? 

They want the good stuff to only land in loyal fans hands, please, stop! Release the merch, let it go- you guys make millions making albums, touring and selling merchandise, please forget the merchandise that you have sold! That’s in someone else’s hands, literally.
Jack White tried this same crap too. Please stop, if I buy something from a seller - it’s mine and I am free sell it, if I wish, and so stop bitching about what I do with it! Just saying 

Haha, of course it is. They are the artists after all. They also control supply, demand and message that goes out with their product. And of course they deserve to be paid. The same can’t be said for some chancer buying things up so other have to pay an inflated price. 

People can’t stop flippers of any collectible item, but if you don’t like the messages they put out then don’t buy (to sell!). 

You are evidently missing my point. They might control, supply and message (not sure how they would control demand, like you say - make a terrible album nobody buys it?) but once the product is out of their hands(obviously, respecting licensing issues) anyone can sell it if they want. I’m not a flipper but I resent being told what I can do with something that I have bought. 

Get over yourself. If you really want to sell it they aren't stopping you from doing that on your own.

Gern Blansten said:

Philip_Ireland said:

tino_11 said:

Philip_Ireland said:

Santos L. Halper said:

RS65573 said:

Prince increase + print more = worth nothing. Way to kill the golden goose.

Real shame that flippers can't flip. Real shame.

WTF- it’s ok for bands to profit off fans but definitely not ok for fans to make a profit off of a band’s merchandise. I don’t understand your logic. 

I don’t ‘flip’ but once I buy something, isn’t it mine? Why do posters have a “Say no to flippers” sticker on the back of them? It’s only proof that they are authentic, to a third party buyer. 

How can a band like Pearl Jam police what happens to their merchandise after they sell it, and, most importantly, why should they care? 

They want the good stuff to only land in loyal fans hands, please, stop! Release the merch, let it go- you guys make millions making albums, touring and selling merchandise, please forget the merchandise that you have sold! That’s in someone else’s hands, literally.
Jack White tried this same crap too. Please stop, if I buy something from a seller - it’s mine and I am free sell it, if I wish, and so stop bitching about what I do with it! Just saying 

Haha, of course it is. They are the artists after all. They also control supply, demand and message that goes out with their product. And of course they deserve to be paid. The same can’t be said for some chancer buying things up so other have to pay an inflated price. 

People can’t stop flippers of any collectible item, but if you don’t like the messages they put out then don’t buy (to sell!). 

You are evidently missing my point. They might control, supply and message (not sure how they would control demand, like you say - make a terrible album nobody buys it?) but once the product is out of their hands(obviously, respecting licensing issues) anyone can sell it if they want. I’m not a flipper but I resent being told what I can do with something that I have bought. 

Get over yourself. If you really want to sell it they aren't stopping you from doing that on your own.

Ha, I am over myself. I don’t flip - my point is, don’t tell people what to do with stuff they buy! Someone needs to tell these guys to stop saying “not for resale” on their products- this is totally unenforceable and, obviously not legal. 

” Once the work is lawfully sold or even transferred gratuitously, the copyright owner's interest in the material object in which the copyrighted work is embodied is exhausted. The owner of the material object can then dispose of it as they see fit. Thus, one who buys a copy of a book is entitled to resell it, rent it, give it away, or destroy it.”


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

Legal? Jesus you are way too fixated on this. That "not for resale" demand is completely enforceable by 10c as they will kick your ass out if you are caught. It sounds like you have already admitted to reselling and ignoring that demand/request so I would kick you out just for that.

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

Philip_Ireland said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philip_Ireland said:

tino_11 said:

Philip_Ireland said:

Santos L. Halper said:

RS65573 said:

Prince increase + print more = worth nothing. Way to kill the golden goose.

Real shame that flippers can't flip. Real shame.

WTF- it’s ok for bands to profit off fans but definitely not ok for fans to make a profit off of a band’s merchandise. I don’t understand your logic. 

I don’t ‘flip’ but once I buy something, isn’t it mine? Why do posters have a “Say no to flippers” sticker on the back of them? It’s only proof that they are authentic, to a third party buyer. 

How can a band like Pearl Jam police what happens to their merchandise after they sell it, and, most importantly, why should they care? 

They want the good stuff to only land in loyal fans hands, please, stop! Release the merch, let it go- you guys make millions making albums, touring and selling merchandise, please forget the merchandise that you have sold! That’s in someone else’s hands, literally.
Jack White tried this same crap too. Please stop, if I buy something from a seller - it’s mine and I am free sell it, if I wish, and so stop bitching about what I do with it! Just saying 

Haha, of course it is. They are the artists after all. They also control supply, demand and message that goes out with their product. And of course they deserve to be paid. The same can’t be said for some chancer buying things up so other have to pay an inflated price. 

People can’t stop flippers of any collectible item, but if you don’t like the messages they put out then don’t buy (to sell!). 

You are evidently missing my point. They might control, supply and message (not sure how they would control demand, like you say - make a terrible album nobody buys it?) but once the product is out of their hands(obviously, respecting licensing issues) anyone can sell it if they want. I’m not a flipper but I resent being told what I can do with something that I have bought. 

Get over yourself. If you really want to sell it they aren't stopping you from doing that on your own.

Gern Blansten said:

Philip_Ireland said:

tino_11 said:

Philip_Ireland said:

Santos L. Halper said:

RS65573 said:

Prince increase + print more = worth nothing. Way to kill the golden goose.

Real shame that flippers can't flip. Real shame.

WTF- it’s ok for bands to profit off fans but definitely not ok for fans to make a profit off of a band’s merchandise. I don’t understand your logic. 

I don’t ‘flip’ but once I buy something, isn’t it mine? Why do posters have a “Say no to flippers” sticker on the back of them? It’s only proof that they are authentic, to a third party buyer. 

How can a band like Pearl Jam police what happens to their merchandise after they sell it, and, most importantly, why should they care? 

They want the good stuff to only land in loyal fans hands, please, stop! Release the merch, let it go- you guys make millions making albums, touring and selling merchandise, please forget the merchandise that you have sold! That’s in someone else’s hands, literally.
Jack White tried this same crap too. Please stop, if I buy something from a seller - it’s mine and I am free sell it, if I wish, and so stop bitching about what I do with it! Just saying 

Haha, of course it is. They are the artists after all. They also control supply, demand and message that goes out with their product. And of course they deserve to be paid. The same can’t be said for some chancer buying things up so other have to pay an inflated price. 

People can’t stop flippers of any collectible item, but if you don’t like the messages they put out then don’t buy (to sell!). 

You are evidently missing my point. They might control, supply and message (not sure how they would control demand, like you say - make a terrible album nobody buys it?) but once the product is out of their hands(obviously, respecting licensing issues) anyone can sell it if they want. I’m not a flipper but I resent being told what I can do with something that I have bought. 

Get over yourself. If you really want to sell it they aren't stopping you from doing that on your own.

Ha, I am over myself. I don’t flip - my point is, don’t tell people what to do with stuff they buy! Someone needs to tell these guys to stop saying “not for resale” on their products- this is totally unenforceable and, obviously not legal. 

” Once the work is lawfully sold or even transferred gratuitously, the copyright owner's interest in the material object in which the copyrighted work is embodied is exhausted. The owner of the material object can then dispose of it as they see fit. Thus, one who buys a copy of a book is entitled to resell it, rent it, give it away, or destroy it.”


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

Legal? Jesus you are way too fixated on this. That "not for resale" demand is completely enforceable by 10c as they will kick your ass out if you are caught. It sounds like you have already admitted to reselling and ignoring that demand/request so I would kick you out just for that.

Dude has been around forever.  He's not a flipper.  He has a valid point yet everyone wants to pile on.

This topic has been talked about ad nauseam.  Que the beating horse meme someone.

Merkin Baller

Philip_Ireland said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philip_Ireland said:

tino_11 said:

Philip_Ireland said:

Santos L. Halper said:

RS65573 said:

Prince increase + print more = worth nothing. Way to kill the golden goose.

Real shame that flippers can't flip. Real shame.

WTF- it’s ok for bands to profit off fans but definitely not ok for fans to make a profit off of a band’s merchandise. I don’t understand your logic. 

I don’t ‘flip’ but once I buy something, isn’t it mine? Why do posters have a “Say no to flippers” sticker on the back of them? It’s only proof that they are authentic, to a third party buyer. 

How can a band like Pearl Jam police what happens to their merchandise after they sell it, and, most importantly, why should they care? 

They want the good stuff to only land in loyal fans hands, please, stop! Release the merch, let it go- you guys make millions making albums, touring and selling merchandise, please forget the merchandise that you have sold! That’s in someone else’s hands, literally.
Jack White tried this same crap too. Please stop, if I buy something from a seller - it’s mine and I am free sell it, if I wish, and so stop bitching about what I do with it! Just saying 

Haha, of course it is. They are the artists after all. They also control supply, demand and message that goes out with their product. And of course they deserve to be paid. The same can’t be said for some chancer buying things up so other have to pay an inflated price. 

People can’t stop flippers of any collectible item, but if you don’t like the messages they put out then don’t buy (to sell!). 

You are evidently missing my point. They might control, supply and message (not sure how they would control demand, like you say - make a terrible album nobody buys it?) but once the product is out of their hands(obviously, respecting licensing issues) anyone can sell it if they want. I’m not a flipper but I resent being told what I can do with something that I have bought. 

Get over yourself. If you really want to sell it they aren't stopping you from doing that on your own.

Gern Blansten said:

Philip_Ireland said:

tino_11 said:

Philip_Ireland said:

Santos L. Halper said:

RS65573 said:

Prince increase + print more = worth nothing. Way to kill the golden goose.

Real shame that flippers can't flip. Real shame.

WTF- it’s ok for bands to profit off fans but definitely not ok for fans to make a profit off of a band’s merchandise. I don’t understand your logic. 

I don’t ‘flip’ but once I buy something, isn’t it mine? Why do posters have a “Say no to flippers” sticker on the back of them? It’s only proof that they are authentic, to a third party buyer. 

How can a band like Pearl Jam police what happens to their merchandise after they sell it, and, most importantly, why should they care? 

They want the good stuff to only land in loyal fans hands, please, stop! Release the merch, let it go- you guys make millions making albums, touring and selling merchandise, please forget the merchandise that you have sold! That’s in someone else’s hands, literally.
Jack White tried this same crap too. Please stop, if I buy something from a seller - it’s mine and I am free sell it, if I wish, and so stop bitching about what I do with it! Just saying 

Haha, of course it is. They are the artists after all. They also control supply, demand and message that goes out with their product. And of course they deserve to be paid. The same can’t be said for some chancer buying things up so other have to pay an inflated price. 

People can’t stop flippers of any collectible item, but if you don’t like the messages they put out then don’t buy (to sell!). 

You are evidently missing my point. They might control, supply and message (not sure how they would control demand, like you say - make a terrible album nobody buys it?) but once the product is out of their hands(obviously, respecting licensing issues) anyone can sell it if they want. I’m not a flipper but I resent being told what I can do with something that I have bought. 

Get over yourself. If you really want to sell it they aren't stopping you from doing that on your own.

Ha, I am over myself. I don’t flip - my point is, don’t tell people what to do with stuff they buy! Someone needs to tell these guys to stop saying “not for resale” on their products- this is totally unenforceable and, obviously not legal. 

” Once the work is lawfully sold or even transferred gratuitously, the copyright owner's interest in the material object in which the copyrighted work is embodied is exhausted. The owner of the material object can then dispose of it as they see fit. Thus, one who buys a copy of a book is entitled to resell it, rent it, give it away, or destroy it.”


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

When you buy a poster from 10C, you agree to their terms and conditions. 

If they find out you resold something you agreed not to resell, they can kick you out of the club. 

It's totally legal, and totally fair. 

Cry about it. 

mpedone

Wait, is it "not for resale" or "say no to flippers"?

And, here's the thing. The Ten Club can totally kick you out for flipping. They can restrict sales to club members. All of that said, you can still sell/flip whatever you'd like. They can't stop you from that, they can merely enforce certain consequences, and, perhaps adjust the supply to make flipping less possible (also known as increasing supply to meet demand). I'm really not sure why anyone is upset by any of this.

drakeheuer14

I think the question always comes back to why is the Lost Dogs section of the forum even available then? Unless they are only enforcing it post whatever year they started saying it. 

on2legs

Merkin Baller said:

Philip_Ireland said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philip_Ireland said:

tino_11 said:

Philip_Ireland said:

Santos L. Halper said:

RS65573 said:

Prince increase + print more = worth nothing. Way to kill the golden goose.

Real shame that flippers can't flip. Real shame.

WTF- it’s ok for bands to profit off fans but definitely not ok for fans to make a profit off of a band’s merchandise. I don’t understand your logic. 

I don’t ‘flip’ but once I buy something, isn’t it mine? Why do posters have a “Say no to flippers” sticker on the back of them? It’s only proof that they are authentic, to a third party buyer. 

How can a band like Pearl Jam police what happens to their merchandise after they sell it, and, most importantly, why should they care? 

They want the good stuff to only land in loyal fans hands, please, stop! Release the merch, let it go- you guys make millions making albums, touring and selling merchandise, please forget the merchandise that you have sold! That’s in someone else’s hands, literally.
Jack White tried this same crap too. Please stop, if I buy something from a seller - it’s mine and I am free sell it, if I wish, and so stop bitching about what I do with it! Just saying 

Haha, of course it is. They are the artists after all. They also control supply, demand and message that goes out with their product. And of course they deserve to be paid. The same can’t be said for some chancer buying things up so other have to pay an inflated price. 

People can’t stop flippers of any collectible item, but if you don’t like the messages they put out then don’t buy (to sell!). 

You are evidently missing my point. They might control, supply and message (not sure how they would control demand, like you say - make a terrible album nobody buys it?) but once the product is out of their hands(obviously, respecting licensing issues) anyone can sell it if they want. I’m not a flipper but I resent being told what I can do with something that I have bought. 

Get over yourself. If you really want to sell it they aren't stopping you from doing that on your own.

Gern Blansten said:

Philip_Ireland said:

tino_11 said:

Philip_Ireland said:

Santos L. Halper said:

RS65573 said:

Prince increase + print more = worth nothing. Way to kill the golden goose.

Real shame that flippers can't flip. Real shame.

WTF- it’s ok for bands to profit off fans but definitely not ok for fans to make a profit off of a band’s merchandise. I don’t understand your logic. 

I don’t ‘flip’ but once I buy something, isn’t it mine? Why do posters have a “Say no to flippers” sticker on the back of them? It’s only proof that they are authentic, to a third party buyer. 

How can a band like Pearl Jam police what happens to their merchandise after they sell it, and, most importantly, why should they care? 

They want the good stuff to only land in loyal fans hands, please, stop! Release the merch, let it go- you guys make millions making albums, touring and selling merchandise, please forget the merchandise that you have sold! That’s in someone else’s hands, literally.
Jack White tried this same crap too. Please stop, if I buy something from a seller - it’s mine and I am free sell it, if I wish, and so stop bitching about what I do with it! Just saying 

Haha, of course it is. They are the artists after all. They also control supply, demand and message that goes out with their product. And of course they deserve to be paid. The same can’t be said for some chancer buying things up so other have to pay an inflated price. 

People can’t stop flippers of any collectible item, but if you don’t like the messages they put out then don’t buy (to sell!). 

You are evidently missing my point. They might control, supply and message (not sure how they would control demand, like you say - make a terrible album nobody buys it?) but once the product is out of their hands(obviously, respecting licensing issues) anyone can sell it if they want. I’m not a flipper but I resent being told what I can do with something that I have bought. 

Get over yourself. If you really want to sell it they aren't stopping you from doing that on your own.

Ha, I am over myself. I don’t flip - my point is, don’t tell people what to do with stuff they buy! Someone needs to tell these guys to stop saying “not for resale” on their products- this is totally unenforceable and, obviously not legal. 

” Once the work is lawfully sold or even transferred gratuitously, the copyright owner's interest in the material object in which the copyrighted work is embodied is exhausted. The owner of the material object can then dispose of it as they see fit. Thus, one who buys a copy of a book is entitled to resell it, rent it, give it away, or destroy it.”


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

When you buy a poster from 10C, you agree to their terms and conditions. 

If they find out you resold something you agreed not to resell, they can kick you out of the club. 

It's totally legal, and totally fair. 

Cry about it. 

Posters and other items are flipped here all the time. The ten club seems to be fine with it. 

karl_chihiro

Very nice in person this one

Thanks again.