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Just fly out Dave Abbruzzese to Sacramento

Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,848
edited May 2022 in The Porch
VS, Vitalogy and late 90s Guns n Roses focused show.

This is the time. This is the place.

Just do it Jeff and Ed. Pick up the phone. Skype up Dave.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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  • PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,656
    One can dream right????

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,848
    edited May 2022
    But wait, they are friendly with Jack Irons so what if he shows up(?)... and with him Neil Young...


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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,743
    You read my mind.  As I was driving home from Fresno, I thought, "Would it be too much to ask to get Dave A. to Sacramento to play Vs. front-to-back?"

    (Answer: yes... but it's fun to dream, especially when your cruising down the 99 in the middle of the night with the nearly full moon overhead the whole way-- making me think of the "lyrics" to "I'm Open").
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    No thanks. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,926

    It's been almost 30 years.


    Just get over it. 


  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,717
    Irons yes.  Dave no.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,409
    Let it go. 
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  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 6,256
    The zombie horse just politely asked if y'all would stop beating it, thanks.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,335
    I understand why people want this but do think it would be more trouble than it's worth. 
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  • CantKeepmedownCantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 3,057
    Hasn't Dave A criticized the band quite a bit over the years? Maybe he needs to let it go.  Why should they reward someone who has talked shit about them for the past 30 years?
  • elwayvedderelwayvedder South Jersey Posts: 9,141
    no
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  • mpedonempedone 540xxx - Manchester, NH Posts: 1,961
    Go Animal said:
    The zombie horse just politely asked if y'all would stop beating it, thanks.
    It's not even recognizable as a horse anymore.

    CantKeepmedown said:
    Hasn't Dave A criticized the band quite a bit over the years? Maybe he needs to let it go.  Why should they reward someone who has talked shit about them for the past 30 years?
    Seriously. Whatever happened, there's still bad blood there. It's not going to happen.
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,738
    No. Please no. Let it go. 
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    mpedone said:
    Go Animal said:
    The zombie horse just politely asked if y'all would stop beating it, thanks.
    It's not even recognizable as a horse anymore.

    CantKeepmedown said:
    Hasn't Dave A criticized the band quite a bit over the years? Maybe he needs to let it go.  Why should they reward someone who has talked shit about them for the past 30 years?
    Seriously. Whatever happened, there's still bad blood there. It's not going to happen.
    Now I could be way off but I’ve always interpreted it as a lot more than the TM rift 

    I’ve always interpreted Glorified G as a song specifically slamming Dave.  Then they made him play it.  I think the bad blood is mutual 
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,554
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mpedone said:
    Go Animal said:
    The zombie horse just politely asked if y'all would stop beating it, thanks.
    It's not even recognizable as a horse anymore.

    CantKeepmedown said:
    Hasn't Dave A criticized the band quite a bit over the years? Maybe he needs to let it go.  Why should they reward someone who has talked shit about them for the past 30 years?
    Seriously. Whatever happened, there's still bad blood there. It's not going to happen.
    Now I could be way off but I’ve always interpreted it as a lot more than the TM rift 

    I’ve always interpreted Glorified G as a song specifically slamming Dave.  Then they made him play it.  I think the bad blood is mutual 
    I heard on PJ radio Jeff say Glorified G was kind of making fun of Jeff’s dad. Or at least the line “always keep it loaded” was a quote from his dad.

    Either way, if Lindsey Buckingham can write “go your own way” about Stevie sleeping around and make her sing backup on it, and they reunite a few times. Anything is possible I guess.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,717
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited May 2022
    mace1229 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mpedone said:
    Go Animal said:
    The zombie horse just politely asked if y'all would stop beating it, thanks.
    It's not even recognizable as a horse anymore.

    CantKeepmedown said:
    Hasn't Dave A criticized the band quite a bit over the years? Maybe he needs to let it go.  Why should they reward someone who has talked shit about them for the past 30 years?
    Seriously. Whatever happened, there's still bad blood there. It's not going to happen.
    Now I could be way off but I’ve always interpreted it as a lot more than the TM rift 

    I’ve always interpreted Glorified G as a song specifically slamming Dave.  Then they made him play it.  I think the bad blood is mutual 
    I heard on PJ radio Jeff say Glorified G was kind of making fun of Jeff’s dad. Or at least the line “always keep it loaded” was a quote from his dad.

    Either way, if Lindsey Buckingham can write “go your own way” about Stevie sleeping around and make her sing backup on it, and they reunite a few times. Anything is possible I guess.
    Apparently Dave came into the studio one day and announced he bought “a couple of guns” then the song happened. That’s what I’ve always heard 

    Either way, Dave clearly wasn’t aligned with the rest of the band in a lot of stuff.  Which long term wouldn’t have been sustainable anyway
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  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,074
    I’m not sure why people are responding so strongly to this suggestion? 

    Is it likely to happen? No. Was it likely that Dave K. would play with them again? Not really. Would this still be cool? Of course. 

    Lots of drummers on this totally crazy tour, why not let some people dream? 
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited May 2022
    yosi said:
    I’m not sure why people are responding so strongly to this suggestion? 

    Is it likely to happen? No. Was it likely that Dave K. would play with them again? Not really. Would this still be cool? Of course. 

    Lots of drummers on this totally crazy tour, why not let some people dream? 
    To me Dave K, and Jack left under different circumstances.  It’s way more possible (and happened with Dave K) than it is with Dave A.

    I just think the circumstances are totally different which makes the odds astronomically lower.  I think the band like the other drummers minus Dave A 

    doesnt mean I don’t think Dave A is one hell of a drummer 
    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • mpedonempedone 540xxx - Manchester, NH Posts: 1,961
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mpedone said:
    Go Animal said:
    The zombie horse just politely asked if y'all would stop beating it, thanks.
    It's not even recognizable as a horse anymore.

    CantKeepmedown said:
    Hasn't Dave A criticized the band quite a bit over the years? Maybe he needs to let it go.  Why should they reward someone who has talked shit about them for the past 30 years?
    Seriously. Whatever happened, there's still bad blood there. It's not going to happen.
    Now I could be way off but I’ve always interpreted it as a lot more than the TM rift 

    I’ve always interpreted Glorified G as a song specifically slamming Dave.  Then they made him play it.  I think the bad blood is mutual 
    From stuff I've read, Ed and Dave didn't get along. Take that for what it's worth, but yes, I think the bad blood is mutual, which is why I don't think the band is ringing him up.
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  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,074
    Cropduster-80 said:
    yosi said:
    I’m not sure why people are responding so strongly to this suggestion? 

    Is it likely to happen? No. Was it likely that Dave K. would play with them again? Not really. Would this still be cool? Of course. 

    Lots of drummers on this totally crazy tour, why not let some people dream? 
    To me Dave K, and Jack left under different circumstances.  It’s way more possible (and happened with Dave K) than it is with Dave A.

    I just think the circumstances are totally different which makes the odds astronomically lower.  I think the band like the other drummers minus Dave A 

    doesnt mean I don’t think Dave A is one hell of a drummer 
    I totally agree with you. It is way less likely that Dave A will play with them. 

    I just don’t get people saying, “get over it” when the drumming rotation this tour is literally unprecedented for the band. Let people dream. 
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  • PJammin'PJammin' Posts: 1,902
    If it didn’t happen for the Hall of Fame, it’s not ever happening. 
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,926
    PJammin' said:
    If it didn’t happen for the Hall of Fame, it’s not ever happening. 
    This. 




    A person has every right to dream. 

    With that being said, whining ad nauseum about the same thing in a public forum invites the "get over it" comments; there really isn't a lot to get there.
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited May 2022
    PJammin' said:
    If it didn’t happen for the Hall of Fame, it’s not ever happening. 
    In this situation of guest drummers, a good hypothetical is what happens if Dave A is literally the only drummer available?

    Cancel show or call him would be the only two choices.  I tend to think the former 
  • Greatplainsman...Greatplainsman... Posts: 842
    This would be an incredibly classy move by EV & Stone. Vs in its entirety! Yes Please🙏
    IT'S EVOLUTION BABY!!!!!
  • CantKeepmedownCantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 3,057
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mpedone said:
    Go Animal said:
    The zombie horse just politely asked if y'all would stop beating it, thanks.
    It's not even recognizable as a horse anymore.

    CantKeepmedown said:
    Hasn't Dave A criticized the band quite a bit over the years? Maybe he needs to let it go.  Why should they reward someone who has talked shit about them for the past 30 years?
    Seriously. Whatever happened, there's still bad blood there. It's not going to happen.
    Now I could be way off but I’ve always interpreted it as a lot more than the TM rift 

    I’ve always interpreted Glorified G as a song specifically slamming Dave.  Then they made him play it.  I think the bad blood is mutual 
    I heard on PJ radio Jeff say Glorified G was kind of making fun of Jeff’s dad. Or at least the line “always keep it loaded” was a quote from his dad.

    Either way, if Lindsey Buckingham can write “go your own way” about Stevie sleeping around and make her sing backup on it, and they reunite a few times. Anything is possible I guess.
    Apparently Dave came into the studio one day and announced he bought “a couple of guns” then the song happened. That’s what I’ve always heard 

    Either way, Dave clearly wasn’t aligned with the rest of the band in a lot of stuff.  Which long term wouldn’t have been sustainable anyway
    I believe it went:

    Dave A:  I bought a gun
    Guys in the band:  You bought a gun?
    Dave A: In fact I bought two

    Ed said he wrote the song while listening to his bandmates talk about different things and that conversation came up. Needless to say, I don't think Ed liked Dave A's politics, personality, or much of anything. It's probably softened over the years, but not to a point where they are ready to spend a day and share a stage with him for two hours. 
  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,398
    Only if you call up your ex first and go on a date with her.
    Cropduster-80 said:
    PJammin' said:
    If it didn’t happen for the Hall of Fame, it’s not ever happening. 
    In this situation of guest drummers, a good hypothetical is what happens if Dave A is literally the only drummer available?

    Cancel show or call him would be the only two choices.  I tend to think the former 
    Obviously those are not the only two choices. They have other drummers please.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,848
    CantKeepmedown said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mpedone said:
    Go Animal said:
    The zombie horse just politely asked if y'all would stop beating it, thanks.
    It's not even recognizable as a horse anymore.

    CantKeepmedown said:
    Hasn't Dave A criticized the band quite a bit over the years? Maybe he needs to let it go.  Why should they reward someone who has talked shit about them for the past 30 years?
    Seriously. Whatever happened, there's still bad blood there. It's not going to happen.
    Now I could be way off but I’ve always interpreted it as a lot more than the TM rift 

    I’ve always interpreted Glorified G as a song specifically slamming Dave.  Then they made him play it.  I think the bad blood is mutual 
    I heard on PJ radio Jeff say Glorified G was kind of making fun of Jeff’s dad. Or at least the line “always keep it loaded” was a quote from his dad.

    Either way, if Lindsey Buckingham can write “go your own way” about Stevie sleeping around and make her sing backup on it, and they reunite a few times. Anything is possible I guess.
    Apparently Dave came into the studio one day and announced he bought “a couple of guns” then the song happened. That’s what I’ve always heard 

    Either way, Dave clearly wasn’t aligned with the rest of the band in a lot of stuff.  Which long term wouldn’t have been sustainable anyway
    I believe it went:

    Dave A:  I bought a gun
    Guys in the band:  You bought a gun?
    Dave A: In fact I bought two

    Ed said he wrote the song while listening to his bandmates talk about different things and that conversation came up. Needless to say, I don't think Ed liked Dave A's politics, personality, or much of anything. It's probably softened over the years, but not to a point where they are ready to spend a day and share a stage with him for two hours. 
    What do we/you know about Dave A’s ”politics”?

    He comes off as very left leaning? So shouldn’t be an issue(?). 

    But yeah. It’s clear (from Dave A even) that Eddie din’t gel with him. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,848
    OceansJenny said:
    Only if you call up your ex first and go on a date with her.
    Cropduster-80 said:
    PJammin' said:
    If it didn’t happen for the Hall of Fame, it’s not ever happening. 
    In this situation of guest drummers, a good hypothetical is what happens if Dave A is literally the only drummer available?

    Cancel show or call him would be the only two choices.  I tend to think the former 
    Obviously those are not the only two choices. They have other drummers please.
    Did you even read Cropduster-80’s post before posting?


    If you had to choose - live your life only listening to Creed or live your life only listening to Nickelback?
    - Obviously those are not the only two choices. 
    There are other artists please.



    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    OceansJenny said:
    Only if you call up your ex first and go on a date with her.
    Cropduster-80 said:
    PJammin' said:
    If it didn’t happen for the Hall of Fame, it’s not ever happening. 
    In this situation of guest drummers, a good hypothetical is what happens if Dave A is literally the only drummer available?

    Cancel show or call him would be the only two choices.  I tend to think the former 
    Obviously those are not the only two choices. They have other drummers please.
    Did you even read Cropduster-80’s post before posting?


    If you had to choose - live your life only listening to Creed or live your life only listening to Nickelback?
    - Obviously those are not the only two choices. 
    There are other artists please.



    Creed and I would hate my life 😂
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