Imagine having the ability to by tickets to 6 Pearl Jam shows on a run, but don't bother going because you want them to play a few more songs each night.
Show seemed very short. Incomplete. Ed talks a lot . Takes up a lot of time and sort of makes the show slow paced. The last LA arena show in 2013 was 33 songs. Obviously a huge difference. The last few years shows had that Springsteen can’t go one more minute vide. This wasn’t that at all. I have tix for 5 more shows. Most of those I won’t go to.
They are still tremendous players and Ed is a super engaging front man. But this was a different thing than any of us expected. It’s a good quality show put in by a top notch live band. But not “holy cow” great like it’s been since 2003.
Hopefully the shows will get longer as the tour continues. Maybe starting tomorrow. But don’t kid yourself. 22 songs is a disappointment.
I think plenty of us expected this.
Why should we have expected this, when that hasn't been the case for many years? Can't really blame it on the opener either, because the last PJ show I went to with an opener, we still got 31 songs.
Essentially the band have removed the 5+ sloppy repetitive covers from their shows and we have a tight Pearl Jam setlist, performed well.
I've been hoping for this for some years now. Long may it continue.
Or they could add 5+ of their songs. It's not a requirement to play covers or to play 30 songs. But they have enough in their catalog to make up for it
Theorizing tonight for me - Eddie, most importantly his vocal chords, are not getting younger, I am imagining part of it is him wanting at this point to make sure he can be "on" vocally all the way through and not run out of vocal gas. I am sure PJ didn't do it just to get back to their hotels early, in that sense - they don't seem the type to do that. But if trimming the fat, so to speak, helps deliver the quality, I am totally cool with it - tonight kicked absolute butt!
I don’t think the days of longer sets are necessarily a thing of the past, I just think everyone needs to realize this tour isn’t an “Evening with PJ” format. When there’s no opening band, they can come on earlier and play a longer set with multiple encores. But when there’s an opener, there’s just not enough time for them to play 30+ song sets. It’s as simple as that.
I think most shows will be 22-24 songs on average with maybe 2-3 stops on the tour getting a 26-27 song set.
Show seemed very short. Incomplete. Ed talks a lot . Takes up a lot of time and sort of makes the show slow paced. The last LA arena show in 2013 was 33 songs. Obviously a huge difference. The last few years shows had that Springsteen can’t go one more minute vide. This wasn’t that at all. I have tix for 5 more shows. Most of those I won’t go to.
They are still tremendous players and Ed is a super engaging front man. But this was a different thing than any of us expected. It’s a good quality show put in by a top notch live band. But not “holy cow” great like it’s been since 2003.
Hopefully the shows will get longer as the tour continues. Maybe starting tomorrow. But don’t kid yourself. 22 songs is a disappointment.
Show seemed very short. Incomplete. Ed talks a lot . Takes up a lot of time and sort of makes the show slow paced. The last LA arena show in 2013 was 33 songs. Obviously a huge difference. The last few years shows had that Springsteen can’t go one more minute vide. This wasn’t that at all. I have tix for 5 more shows. Most of those I won’t go to.
They are still tremendous players and Ed is a super engaging front man. But this was a different thing than any of us expected. It’s a good quality show put in by a top notch live band. But not “holy cow” great like it’s been since 2003.
Hopefully the shows will get longer as the tour continues. Maybe starting tomorrow. But don’t kid yourself. 22 songs is a disappointment.
I think plenty of us expected this.
How so?
I‘ve seen at least one interview with Mike where he said he‘s hoping for shorter shows because he‘s getting older but especially Ed was pushing them for more songs.
Imagine having the ability to by tickets to 6 Pearl Jam shows on a run, but don't bother going because you want them to play a few more songs each night.
Or maybe just not wanting to put forward the expense and time from work because the show wasn’t as super special as I had expected and perhaps not worth it. I would try and sell the tix. It’s not like I can’t be bothered to go. Still hoping that the shows lengthen as the tour progresses.
I guess shorter setlists is going to be the new norm?
The glory days are over I guess
Even though this is a pretty unlikely explanation for the truncated sets, it is plausible that the shorter setlists are because of the band's Covid community spread concerns, since these shows are indoors, Ba2 subvariant cases are on the rise, and most/all of the mandates have been dropped.
I know the SD and LA1 setlists are only ~45 minutes less than the show lengths they were routinely playing on previous headlining tours, but maybe this might have something to do with it?
Anyway, just throwing the idea out there, as far-fetched as it may be. I am hoping for another Ohana Encore in the Fall and for PJ to headline at least one if its two nights. Enjoy the Spring leg for all of you attending!
This is pure speculation on my part but I think some fans are disappointed with the number of songs because they don't care too much about the Gigaton songs + the big hits that get played for the casual folks. If you combine these two (7 Gigaton + 5 big hits), you are only left with 10 songs. I think that is disappointing some fans. I am going to 2 Oakland shows. I am most excited about hearing Gigaton live. I also want to just see the band perform. It has been too long.
Much different vibe then one time they weee there and Ed mentioned something about Dick Cheney’s rectum on the ceiling 🤣
That was actually at the Los Angeles Sports Arena, which no longer exists.
No it was the Forum in 2006, the last time they played that venue.
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I don’t think the days of longer sets are necessarily a thing of the past, I just think everyone needs to realize this tour isn’t an “Evening with PJ” format. When there’s no opening band, they can come on earlier and play a longer set with multiple encores. But when there’s an opener, there’s just not enough time for them to play 30+ song sets. It’s as simple as that.
I think most shows will be 22-24 songs on average with maybe 2-3 stops on the tour getting a 26-27 song set.
There have been openers for many years. The norm became for PJ to routinely pay the fine and play well past curfew.
Just got back from the show, honestly the setlist number count is just a visual - the show was great and feels plenty "complete" when there for sure! Kickass night
Also - popped my "Of the Girl" opener cherry tonight! That was a really cool suprise, was not expecting to get that
Obviously they still put on a great show. Part of it is just a humble brag when comparing to other bands. I wonder if it's something serious. They played 20 minutes less than in San Diego. I guess curfew?
I rbi k it has to do with Ed singing again in 24 hours.
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I guess shorter setlists is going to be the new norm?
The glory days are over I guess
Even though this is a pretty unlikely explanation for the truncated sets, it is plausible that the shorter setlists are because of the band's Covid community spread concerns, since these shows are indoors, Ba2 subvariant cases are on the rise, and most/all of the mandates have been dropped.
I know the SD and LA1 setlists are only ~45 minutes less than the show lengths they were routinely playing on previous headlining tours, but maybe this might have something to do with it?
Anyway, just throwing the idea out there, as far-fetched as it may be. I am hoping for another Ohana Encore in the Fall and for PJ to headline at least one if its two nights. Enjoy the Spring leg for all of you attending!
Sorry that’s positively ridiculous. Omicron spreads like wild fire. If they were that worried about it, they wouldn’t be playing indoors. Bringing people together for 3 hours or 4 hours is irrelevant to the spread of COVID. An infected person in that building has spread it within the first 15-20 minutes.
The Gigaton songs seem to be DOA live on a proper tour based on the crowd reactions tonight. Wonder if SD crowd was like this. Will see if it changes tomorrow and in Phoenix
The weird part is they sound GREAT musically and the lyrics are the weak points. Not understanding or knowing any of the words doesn't help I think.
Outside of my msg and st. Louis shows glad I'm not too invested in the fall run.
Hopefully MSG gets the proper show treatment on 9/11.
SBWM,DoC, Quick Escape were well received. I was actually fooled into thinking WWS was starting band let down to Never Destination.
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Anyone attending these shows and not expecting a set list filled with Gigaton songs doesn't know PJ. This is the first opportunity they have had to play that release live. Bring it on. If you didn't see this coming and didn't enjoy it, sorry for you. You went to the wrong show. It is the same playlist had it been 2020 when Gigaton was released. If you're not familiar with the lyrics, again sorry for you. You went to the wrong show.
I don't mind Gigaton I just like a set with maybe 5 to 6 more songs than this so we can get some deeper gems in there and cover more of the albums.. I was at SD and tonight.. This was definitely the better of the two so far.
Sounds from the posts like the show was tight, band sounded great, setlist was a decent mix of songs, and some believe they are entitled to more. As someone who had to cancel a trip to see this show the last part is really a drag to see. They’re older, haven’t toured in four years, and/or maybe just don’t want to play for three hours anymore. You can bring up McCartney or Bruce and while those are relatively high-energy shows they’re a different thing than what Pearl Jam does; the comparison is a stretch, to me. We just went through two years of a pandemic and you all are complaining and bailing on shows because the band “only” plays for 2 1/2 hours? Tough for me to comprehend. The person who has tickets to five more but isn’t going is staging a “protest” so far beyond my realm of comprehension I have a hard time believing they’re serious.
I do agree that lyrically the Gigaton songs don’t really stack up but heavily representing the new record in the set is no surprise. I don’t expect that will taper until next year.
They remain one of the best live bands on the planet and by all accounts even just two shows in they’re very sharp. If you’re finding something to complain about, my assumption is you’d find something to complain about no matter what.
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What to think....what to think. Its kind of double. Im not the one to tell them what to play and how long. I just want them....to play.
Personally i think there will be sets close and over 30, wait and see.
But are the days of Crazy Mary, RITFW, Throw your arm around me, All along the watchtower, Baba, Interstellar, Comfortably numb, Miracles, imagine and for example Fucking up....over?
The band has built up an expectation for their shows over the years. That's what drives ppl to travel and go to so many shows. For us to be disappointed that that's suddenly changed doesn't mean we don't still love the band.
The band has built up an expectation for their shows over the years. That's what drives ppl to travel and go to so many shows. For us to be disappointed that that's suddenly changed doesn't mean we don't still love the band.
The person who has tickets to five more but
isn’t going is staging a “protest” so far beyond my realm of
comprehension I have a hard time believing they’re serious.
Right, that one sort of kind of puzzled me (all due respect to the person who was the one who said it ofc) - for me just personally
speaking if I loved a band enough to see them that many times anyways, I
wouldn't as a result of feeling deprived of a few more songs per show,
decide to deprive myself of every song in every show lol
People have the right to be disappointed. Have stone sing a song or two every night to give Ed a vocal break if needed. There are plenty of “tricks” they could do.
The apologists are just as bad as the people saying I am selling my tickets this sucks crowd.
With the sets as tight as they look to be it seems more likely that people will not get their “white whale” songs. Previous tours there was always a chance they may bust out that rarely played track. Now it doesn’t seem as likely. Maybe that’s what is bumming people out.
On paper this set looked light years better than San Diego and it had one less song. I’ll say it again, song selection is much more important than show length.
What I find troubling is that they added a 7th person on stage and I think they could use him more. Play some of the more complicated songs or songs with more harmonies. Play who you are with an additional percussionist. Utilize Josh more!
People have the right to be disappointed. Have stone sing a song or two every night to give Ed a vocal break if needed. There are plenty of “tricks” they could do.
The apologists are just as bad as the people saying I am selling my tickets this sucks crowd.
With the sets as tight as they look to be it seems more likely that people will not get their “white whale” songs. Previous tours there was always a chance they may bust out that rarely played track. Now it doesn’t seem as likely. Maybe that’s what is bumming people out.
On paper this set looked light years better than San Diego and it had one less song. I’ll say it again, song selection is much more important than show length.
What I find troubling is that they added a 7th person on stage and I think they could use him more. Play some of the more complicated songs or songs with more harmonies. Play who you are with an additional percussionist. Utilize Josh more!
I do agree they should use Josh more. For instance, did he play on Oceans? The album version has some definite extra little percussion things happening, that he could have provided. I hope they do utilize his skills more as he is so much more than a guitar player.
Personally I am not complaining and I look forward to my 3 show stretch in the fall, but without complete research, I am of the impression the 2 rarest songs played at each show were Amongst The Waves (51) and Of The Girl (50). I think they have a soft spot for Of The Girl where they bring it out early in tours but then maybe forget it a little. Appearing at the second show on this tour, it also appeared on the opening night of both the 2013 and 2014 fall tours.
words seem so out of place.
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Can't really blame it on the opener either, because the last PJ show I went to with an opener, we still got 31 songs.
Theorizing tonight for me - Eddie, most importantly his vocal chords, are not getting younger, I am imagining part of it is him wanting at this point to make sure he can be "on" vocally all the way through and not run out of vocal gas. I am sure PJ didn't do it just to get back to their hotels early, in that sense - they don't seem the type to do that. But if trimming the fat, so to speak, helps deliver the quality, I am totally cool with it - tonight kicked absolute butt!
I know the SD and LA1 setlists are only ~45 minutes less than the show lengths they were routinely playing on previous headlining tours, but maybe this might have something to do with it?
Anyway, just throwing the idea out there, as far-fetched as it may be. I am hoping for another Ohana Encore in the Fall and for PJ to headline at least one if its two nights. Enjoy the Spring leg for all of you attending!
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The weird part is they sound GREAT musically and the lyrics are the weak points. Not understanding or knowing any of the words doesn't help I think.
Outside of my msg and st. Louis shows glad I'm not too invested in the fall run.
Hopefully MSG gets the proper show treatment on 9/11.
It's embarrassing
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hartford 06
reading 06
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wembley 07
dusseldorf 07
nijmegen 07
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
I do agree that lyrically the Gigaton songs don’t really stack up but heavily representing the new record in the set is no surprise. I don’t expect that will taper until next year.
They remain one of the best live bands on the planet and by all accounts even just two shows in they’re very sharp. If you’re finding something to complain about, my assumption is you’d find something to complain about no matter what.
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Im not the one to tell them what to play and how long. I just want them....to play.
Personally i think there will be sets close and over 30, wait and see.
But are the days of Crazy Mary, RITFW, Throw your arm around me, All along the watchtower, Baba, Interstellar, Comfortably numb, Miracles, imagine and for example Fucking up....over?
I loved those covers
Right, that one sort of kind of puzzled me (all due respect to the person who was the one who said it ofc) - for me just personally speaking if I loved a band enough to see them that many times anyways, I wouldn't as a result of feeling deprived of a few more songs per show, decide to deprive myself of every song in every show lol
On paper this set looked light years better than San Diego and it had one less song. I’ll say it again, song selection is much more important than show length.
Personally I am not complaining and I look forward to my 3 show stretch in the fall, but without complete research, I am of the impression the 2 rarest songs played at each show were Amongst The Waves (51) and Of The Girl (50). I think they have a soft spot for Of The Girl where they bring it out early in tours but then maybe forget it a little. Appearing at the second show on this tour, it also appeared on the opening night of both the 2013 and 2014 fall tours.
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