For the first time since 1998...Tickets Unfulfilled?

JP218404

JimmyV said:

If they toured more and played more shows in the northeast then a lot of these problems would work themselves out. DMB has 11 shows this summer spread between New England, New York, New Jersey and Philly/Camden. And that is only part of their full U.S. tour. 

100%. Dead and company about to do Philly/ Hartford/ foxboro/ spac/ Pittsburgh/ NY. 

More in the area easier for everyone to get to a show or two

Vedd Hedd

25 years of "premium membership fees"?  

I mean, it was 10 bucks a year when I joined.  Lately, its been 40, but even that does not seem like "Premium membership fees", based on what I see from other bands. 

mpedone

mattcoz said:

mpedone said:

Zod said:

jtyke22 said:

122xxx member number who only trys for a single ticket so other fans have a better opportunity, and I haven't been selected for GA or reserved to any show I have tried for since Wrigley 2013!!!  I don't even try for the popular shows like MSG, Boston, etc.  I only try for shows near my hometown.   Guess I need to try moving to a smaller market like Fargo.  There has to be a better way of doing this.  Maybe people that get selected for a show should  be bumped to the back of the queue for the next batch of shows. Another possibility would be a weighted lottery based on the members proximity to the venue. Seems like PJ sells more tickets to a single show these days than they do albums.  Where are these "fans" when a new album is released??

- Frustrated 

Weighted lottery would be tough, given how small and non-encompassing pj tours are.  It would mess up so many people where PJ never plays anywhere near them.

The Ticketstoday still does weigh preference right.  So if you get tickets to New York and it was your #1 pick, then you're only going to get Camden, if everyone who wanted camden as their #1 got it first?   It sort of seems to work, unless you miss your #1.

I do like that GA/Reserved is now done together.  At least it took away the problems of going in for GA and reserved, only to have your next show be #3 priority, and someone who went reserved/reserved, was able to snipe 2 pairs of tickets for 2 shows, before someone that went ga/reserved/reserved.

I think the system's mostly working.   The tickets are going to 10c members.

I wouldn't mind if 10C audited their system. I mean, I suspect that there are some people who are really just that unlucky after years of being lucky/going for tickets when the fan club was much smaller or more regional, but maybe the system is giving preference to higher numbers?

Even if it's not, maybe limiting ticket requests could be a thing. I do feel a little guilty that I'm going to 4 shows this year, three of which I won in the lotteries. I did lose on 2 in 2020, and put in for a less popular show this year (especially given that there are still face value tickets available), but still, when I hear that there are people who got shut out in both lotteries, I do get a little pang of guilt that I took tickets from someone who might deserve them more.

You probably didn't take them though, especially not with your backup choices. If they used their first choice on the shows you used your backups on, they would have won instead of you. They probably picked the shows in high demand, so you weren't even competing with them.

Toronto and Nashville certainly seem to be in high demand. I'm pretty sure I got both of these in 2020 because of the way the lottery differentiated Canada and the US as separate draws. So Toronto was my only Canadian show, and Nashville was my #1 US show.

PB11041

I simply do not believe that the people yelling about getting shut out signed up properly.

In the 2020 round I knew I was taking a real long shot gamble and had placed Nashville and St louis as my number 1 and number 2.  I put in for a single at MSG and Baltimore below on a whim.  All selections were Best Available. Not surprising these were my results

Nashville - WON Reserved
St. Louis - WON Reserved
MSG - lost
Baltimore - lost

I ended up with a single for MSG before the tour was cancelled and was likely going to go to Baltimore and wing it for a single at the show.

This go round I added Las Vegas in US and wanted to do Quebec and Ottawa as it was more convenient for my wifes schedule (Teacher) and I knew I had takers for my extra for Nashville and St. Louis.  All selections were Best Available. They were my results

Las Vegas - WON GA
Quebec City - WON GA
Ottawa - WON Reserved

So again, either I was uncharacteristically lucky this tour, or it was a combination of hedging on high demand shows and increased access, combined with A LOT of fans accidentally only signing up for Verified Fan and not the 10C lottery.

I tend to think it had a lot to do with the accidental route.  I knew way too many people who actually won every show they put in for.  

mattcoz

Vedd Hedd said:

25 years of "premium membership fees"?  

I mean, it was 10 bucks a year when I joined.  Lately, its been 40, but even that does not seem like "Premium membership fees", based on what I see from other bands. 

And it's only 40 if you want the t-shirt, it's 20 if you just want the access to tickets. Oh, and you get access to this wonderful message board, heh.

Vedd Hedd

mattcoz said:

Vedd Hedd said:

25 years of "premium membership fees"?  

I mean, it was 10 bucks a year when I joined.  Lately, its been 40, but even that does not seem like "Premium membership fees", based on what I see from other bands. 

And it's only 40 if you want the t-shirt, it's 20 if you just want the access to tickets. Oh, and you get access to this wonderful message board, heh.

good point

OceansJenny

$20 a year is basically free. I love the people who gripe PJ is turning into a business but then demand they receive services rendered for their $20.

Zod

I feel like I've done ok.  I've been a 10c member since '98.

I managed to get tickets to most show I've wanted to go to including Groundwork 01, Gorge 05, and Seattle 02 that had reduced 10c tickets available.

I think the only one I really missed that I wanted was Seattle 2013.

I'm lucky that I've passed on the PJ bug to my wife and closest friends, which usually means we've got a few memberships between us, but overall it hasn't been to bad.

I also feel lucky here in the PNW.  Pearl Jam at an Arena in Seattle is usually hard.  PJ anywhere else in the PNW is not usually so hard.   It's got to be rough living on the East Coast with much so many more people trying to get tix.

bootlegger10

Maybe you should be grateful that you have gotten tickets easily through the Ten Club for the last 24 years instead of getting pissed off the first time you don’t get tickets the easy way. 

Saying you are mad the first time you missed out in 24 years sounds kinda petty.

JeBurkhardt

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe you should be grateful that you have gotten tickets easily through the Ten Club for the last 24 years instead of getting pissed off the first time you don’t get tickets the easy way. 

Saying you are mad the first time you missed out in 24 years sounds kinda petty.

Hmmm there is that. 

PJINFLA

Over time PJ  tickets have become more of a commodity so more scalpers are happy to pay $20 for a chance in the lottery. Plus more members are running multiple memberships (wife, siblings, kids) these days. Also the F2F feature makes it almost risk free to enter the lottery for more shows because it is easy to get your money back. Therefore watering down the chances in the lottery for the typical fan.

cp3iverson

PJ tickets will always be tough from Ticketmaster or from the 10C.  

Like others said tho this community helps people out to the max.   Had an amazing person on here hook me up with great seats.  

OceansJenny

PJINFLA said:

Over time PJ  tickets have become more of a commodity so more scalpers are happy to pay $20 for a chance in the lottery. Plus more members are running multiple memberships (wife, siblings, kids) these days. Also the F2F feature makes it almost risk free to enter the lottery for more shows because it is easy to get your money back. Therefore watering down the chances in the lottery for the typical fan.

Not true. People playing this game are going to get burned when TM drops their remaining platinum tickets below face after they open up the F2F exchange late. Lots of folks ending up eating EV tix because of this. With non-transferable tickets you can’t even give them away.

Porchsitter

It definitely stings to not get selected after a great run. Happened to me as well with this tour after a great 19 year run of "winning the lottery." I understand wanting to come to the board to vent frustrations. A lot of us in our "real life" lack the companion to commiserate with when it comes to this band so the board is really one of our few options. So I sympathize with you. 

Tickets to these shows are not an impossibility though. As others have mentioned, this collection of fans is incredible and will look out for you. We all want to see this band, and many of us want nothing more than to help those of us who were left out in any way they can because, like I said, many of us lack the people in our everyday lives who we can chat and share our fandom with so we come here. Not to get cliche or too touchy-feely here, but THAT'S the benefit of this fan club. Everything else is bonus. Best of luck with getting tickets, but I won't be surprised if you get hooked up. It happened for me.

mpedone

OceansJenny said:

PJINFLA said:

Over time PJ  tickets have become more of a commodity so more scalpers are happy to pay $20 for a chance in the lottery. Plus more members are running multiple memberships (wife, siblings, kids) these days. Also the F2F feature makes it almost risk free to enter the lottery for more shows because it is easy to get your money back. Therefore watering down the chances in the lottery for the typical fan.

Not true. People playing this game are going to get burned when TM drops their remaining platinum tickets below face after they open up the F2F exchange late. Lots of folks ending up eating EV tix because of this. With non-transferable tickets you can’t even give them away.

Maybe. There are lots of people looking for tickets. If TM drops the price of the premium tickets even to face value, they'll get snatched up pretty quickly.

I mean, I'd be okay if the people buying multiple tickets for the same show just to flip them (even at face value) got burned and thought twice about gaming the system in the future, I'm just not sure it's going to happen with this tour.

Poncier

fall by the wayside said:

Seniority. Has. Never. Mattered. For. Access. To. Tickets.

Yep.
Never understood where anyone ever got the idea that seniority helped in any way besides seat location.

Gibson

I understand the OP is disappointed - but on the bright side, 25 years of early access to prime tickets for $20 - $50 per year is pretty solid in itself. Hopefully he/she makes it into the show(s) they want through public means,

incidental immortality

PB11041 said:

I simply do not believe that the people yelling about getting shut out signed up properly.

In the 2020 round I knew I was taking a real long shot gamble and had placed Nashville and St louis as my number 1 and number 2.  I put in for a single at MSG and Baltimore below on a whim.  All selections were Best Available. Not surprising these were my results

Nashville - WON Reserved
St. Louis - WON Reserved
MSG - lost
Baltimore - lost

I ended up with a single for MSG before the tour was cancelled and was likely going to go to Baltimore and wing it for a single at the show.

This go round I added Las Vegas in US and wanted to do Quebec and Ottawa as it was more convenient for my wifes schedule (Teacher) and I knew I had takers for my extra for Nashville and St. Louis.  All selections were Best Available. They were my results

Las Vegas - WON GA
Quebec City - WON GA
Ottawa - WON Reserved

So again, either I was uncharacteristically lucky this tour, or it was a combination of hedging on high demand shows and increased access, combined with A LOT of fans accidentally only signing up for Verified Fan and not the 10C lottery.

I tend to think it had a lot to do with the accidental route.  I knew way too many people who actually won every show they put in for.  

Yes, it seems like a lot of fans like you were able to score tickets to a number of shows over the two draws.  Unfortunately, there were many in the other camp.  I put in for MSG #1 and Baltimore #2 (both best available) in 2020 and lost both.  Tried getting Baltimore through Fan-to-Fan before the tour was cancelled but never was fast enough.  This was the first time since 1996 that I missed out on tickets so I didn't focus on the negative.

But that just shows the two sides of the club member experience for this tour.  The Ten Club did seem to get a lot more tickets per venue.  That left some of the shows at 99% at the time of the draw meaning almost everyone who entered the lottery won no matter what priority.  But the high demand shows were the opposite where the demand was just too great.  

Back in 2020 I didn't worry about missing the shows because the rumors of another leg in the fall of that year.  Now that they have rescheduled the entire tour and didn't add any new shows in the east (to me Camden is a replacement for Baltimore) it just made the whole situation worse.  Fans could have missed MSG, won Baltimore (which was cancelled, and then missed out on Camden.  That's going to leave a lot of people frustrated as they see other fans posting about winning 4, 5, 6 or more shows.  For the life of me I don't understand why they couldn't have added ONE more show in the northeast.  I know we're all super spoiled up here but a second night at MSG or Hartford, or Boston, or Baltimore would have been an instant sellout and give many more fans a chance to see them on this tour.

 

JimmyV

incidental immortality said:

PB11041 said:

I simply do not believe that the people yelling about getting shut out signed up properly.

In the 2020 round I knew I was taking a real long shot gamble and had placed Nashville and St louis as my number 1 and number 2.  I put in for a single at MSG and Baltimore below on a whim.  All selections were Best Available. Not surprising these were my results

Nashville - WON Reserved
St. Louis - WON Reserved
MSG - lost
Baltimore - lost

I ended up with a single for MSG before the tour was cancelled and was likely going to go to Baltimore and wing it for a single at the show.

This go round I added Las Vegas in US and wanted to do Quebec and Ottawa as it was more convenient for my wifes schedule (Teacher) and I knew I had takers for my extra for Nashville and St. Louis.  All selections were Best Available. They were my results

Las Vegas - WON GA
Quebec City - WON GA
Ottawa - WON Reserved

So again, either I was uncharacteristically lucky this tour, or it was a combination of hedging on high demand shows and increased access, combined with A LOT of fans accidentally only signing up for Verified Fan and not the 10C lottery.

I tend to think it had a lot to do with the accidental route.  I knew way too many people who actually won every show they put in for.  

Yes, it seems like a lot of fans like you were able to score tickets to a number of shows over the two draws.  Unfortunately, there were many in the other camp.  I put in for MSG #1 and Baltimore #2 (both best available) in 2020 and lost both.  Tried getting Baltimore through Fan-to-Fan before the tour was cancelled but never was fast enough.  This was the first time since 1996 that I missed out on tickets so I didn't focus on the negative.

But that just shows the two sides of the club member experience for this tour.  The Ten Club did seem to get a lot more tickets per venue.  That left some of the shows at 99% at the time of the draw meaning almost everyone who entered the lottery won no matter what priority.  But the high demand shows were the opposite where the demand was just too great.  

Back in 2020 I didn't worry about missing the shows because the rumors of another leg in the fall of that year.  Now that they have rescheduled the entire tour and didn't add any new shows in the east (to me Camden is a replacement for Baltimore) it just made the whole situation worse.  Fans could have missed MSG, won Baltimore (which was cancelled, and then missed out on Camden.  That's going to leave a lot of people frustrated as they see other fans posting about winning 4, 5, 6 or more shows.  For the life of me I don't understand why they couldn't have added ONE more show in the northeast.  I know we're all super spoiled up here but a second night at MSG or Hartford, or Boston, or Baltimore would have been an instant sellout and give many more fans a chance to see them on this tour.

 

More shows in the northeast would alleviate a lot of this, for sure. And we are spoiled but not as spoiled as people think. They haven't played Philly or New York since 2016. They haven't played Hartford since 2013. 

2-feign-reluctance

Maybe TM is getting revenge for 1995. Maybe Tim is watching your account and fucking with you. Sometimes I say crazy things! 

PB11041

incidental immortality said:

PB11041 said:

I simply do not believe that the people yelling about getting shut out signed up properly.

In the 2020 round I knew I was taking a real long shot gamble and had placed Nashville and St louis as my number 1 and number 2.  I put in for a single at MSG and Baltimore below on a whim.  All selections were Best Available. Not surprising these were my results

Nashville - WON Reserved
St. Louis - WON Reserved
MSG - lost
Baltimore - lost

I ended up with a single for MSG before the tour was cancelled and was likely going to go to Baltimore and wing it for a single at the show.

This go round I added Las Vegas in US and wanted to do Quebec and Ottawa as it was more convenient for my wifes schedule (Teacher) and I knew I had takers for my extra for Nashville and St. Louis.  All selections were Best Available. They were my results

Las Vegas - WON GA
Quebec City - WON GA
Ottawa - WON Reserved

So again, either I was uncharacteristically lucky this tour, or it was a combination of hedging on high demand shows and increased access, combined with A LOT of fans accidentally only signing up for Verified Fan and not the 10C lottery.

I tend to think it had a lot to do with the accidental route.  I knew way too many people who actually won every show they put in for.  

Yes, it seems like a lot of fans like you were able to score tickets to a number of shows over the two draws.  Unfortunately, there were many in the other camp.  I put in for MSG #1 and Baltimore #2 (both best available) in 2020 and lost both.  Tried getting Baltimore through Fan-to-Fan before the tour was cancelled but never was fast enough.  This was the first time since 1996 that I missed out on tickets so I didn't focus on the negative.

But that just shows the two sides of the club member experience for this tour.  The Ten Club did seem to get a lot more tickets per venue.  That left some of the shows at 99% at the time of the draw meaning almost everyone who entered the lottery won no matter what priority.  But the high demand shows were the opposite where the demand was just too great.  

Back in 2020 I didn't worry about missing the shows because the rumors of another leg in the fall of that year.  Now that they have rescheduled the entire tour and didn't add any new shows in the east (to me Camden is a replacement for Baltimore) it just made the whole situation worse.  Fans could have missed MSG, won Baltimore (which was cancelled, and then missed out on Camden.  That's going to leave a lot of people frustrated as they see other fans posting about winning 4, 5, 6 or more shows.  For the life of me I don't understand why they couldn't have added ONE more show in the northeast.  I know we're all super spoiled up here but a second night at MSG or Hartford, or Boston, or Baltimore would have been an instant sellout and give many more fans a chance to see them on this tour.

 

Yeah, I lost on MSG and Baltimore too.  Granted as I said I put in for them more on a whim as lower priority because I wanted to do Nashville and St Louis to see people.  But everyone knew that MSG and Baltimore were high demand and therefore the toughest win.

I wish they would play Albany so I could sleep in my own bed after a show, but they don't anymore.

Logistically it was not possible at this time to add extra dates in existing cities nor to new northeast cities. It all has to map out.  They have not played an east coast Shed like Camden since 2008.  So that squeeze in was based on date and any available venue.

JimmyV

PB11041 said:

incidental immortality said:

PB11041 said:

I simply do not believe that the people yelling about getting shut out signed up properly.

In the 2020 round I knew I was taking a real long shot gamble and had placed Nashville and St louis as my number 1 and number 2.  I put in for a single at MSG and Baltimore below on a whim.  All selections were Best Available. Not surprising these were my results

Nashville - WON Reserved
St. Louis - WON Reserved
MSG - lost
Baltimore - lost

I ended up with a single for MSG before the tour was cancelled and was likely going to go to Baltimore and wing it for a single at the show.

This go round I added Las Vegas in US and wanted to do Quebec and Ottawa as it was more convenient for my wifes schedule (Teacher) and I knew I had takers for my extra for Nashville and St. Louis.  All selections were Best Available. They were my results

Las Vegas - WON GA
Quebec City - WON GA
Ottawa - WON Reserved

So again, either I was uncharacteristically lucky this tour, or it was a combination of hedging on high demand shows and increased access, combined with A LOT of fans accidentally only signing up for Verified Fan and not the 10C lottery.

I tend to think it had a lot to do with the accidental route.  I knew way too many people who actually won every show they put in for.  

Yes, it seems like a lot of fans like you were able to score tickets to a number of shows over the two draws.  Unfortunately, there were many in the other camp.  I put in for MSG #1 and Baltimore #2 (both best available) in 2020 and lost both.  Tried getting Baltimore through Fan-to-Fan before the tour was cancelled but never was fast enough.  This was the first time since 1996 that I missed out on tickets so I didn't focus on the negative.

But that just shows the two sides of the club member experience for this tour.  The Ten Club did seem to get a lot more tickets per venue.  That left some of the shows at 99% at the time of the draw meaning almost everyone who entered the lottery won no matter what priority.  But the high demand shows were the opposite where the demand was just too great.  

Back in 2020 I didn't worry about missing the shows because the rumors of another leg in the fall of that year.  Now that they have rescheduled the entire tour and didn't add any new shows in the east (to me Camden is a replacement for Baltimore) it just made the whole situation worse.  Fans could have missed MSG, won Baltimore (which was cancelled, and then missed out on Camden.  That's going to leave a lot of people frustrated as they see other fans posting about winning 4, 5, 6 or more shows.  For the life of me I don't understand why they couldn't have added ONE more show in the northeast.  I know we're all super spoiled up here but a second night at MSG or Hartford, or Boston, or Baltimore would have been an instant sellout and give many more fans a chance to see them on this tour.

 

Yeah, I lost on MSG and Baltimore too.  Granted as I said I put in for them more on a whim as lower priority because I wanted to do Nashville and St Louis to see people.  But everyone knew that MSG and Baltimore were high demand and therefore the toughest win.

I wish they would play Albany so I could sleep in my own bed after a show, but they don't anymore.

Logistically it was not possible at this time to add extra dates in existing cities nor to new northeast cities. It all has to map out.  They have not played an east coast Shed like Camden since 2008.  So that squeeze in was based on date and any available venue.

Albany would be such an easy place to add an overflow Northeast show. 

PB11041

JimmyV said:

PB11041 said:

incidental immortality said:

PB11041 said:

I simply do not believe that the people yelling about getting shut out signed up properly.

In the 2020 round I knew I was taking a real long shot gamble and had placed Nashville and St louis as my number 1 and number 2.  I put in for a single at MSG and Baltimore below on a whim.  All selections were Best Available. Not surprising these were my results

Nashville - WON Reserved
St. Louis - WON Reserved
MSG - lost
Baltimore - lost

I ended up with a single for MSG before the tour was cancelled and was likely going to go to Baltimore and wing it for a single at the show.

This go round I added Las Vegas in US and wanted to do Quebec and Ottawa as it was more convenient for my wifes schedule (Teacher) and I knew I had takers for my extra for Nashville and St. Louis.  All selections were Best Available. They were my results

Las Vegas - WON GA
Quebec City - WON GA
Ottawa - WON Reserved

So again, either I was uncharacteristically lucky this tour, or it was a combination of hedging on high demand shows and increased access, combined with A LOT of fans accidentally only signing up for Verified Fan and not the 10C lottery.

I tend to think it had a lot to do with the accidental route.  I knew way too many people who actually won every show they put in for.  

Yes, it seems like a lot of fans like you were able to score tickets to a number of shows over the two draws.  Unfortunately, there were many in the other camp.  I put in for MSG #1 and Baltimore #2 (both best available) in 2020 and lost both.  Tried getting Baltimore through Fan-to-Fan before the tour was cancelled but never was fast enough.  This was the first time since 1996 that I missed out on tickets so I didn't focus on the negative.

But that just shows the two sides of the club member experience for this tour.  The Ten Club did seem to get a lot more tickets per venue.  That left some of the shows at 99% at the time of the draw meaning almost everyone who entered the lottery won no matter what priority.  But the high demand shows were the opposite where the demand was just too great.  

Back in 2020 I didn't worry about missing the shows because the rumors of another leg in the fall of that year.  Now that they have rescheduled the entire tour and didn't add any new shows in the east (to me Camden is a replacement for Baltimore) it just made the whole situation worse.  Fans could have missed MSG, won Baltimore (which was cancelled, and then missed out on Camden.  That's going to leave a lot of people frustrated as they see other fans posting about winning 4, 5, 6 or more shows.  For the life of me I don't understand why they couldn't have added ONE more show in the northeast.  I know we're all super spoiled up here but a second night at MSG or Hartford, or Boston, or Baltimore would have been an instant sellout and give many more fans a chance to see them on this tour.

 

Yeah, I lost on MSG and Baltimore too.  Granted as I said I put in for them more on a whim as lower priority because I wanted to do Nashville and St Louis to see people.  But everyone knew that MSG and Baltimore were high demand and therefore the toughest win.

I wish they would play Albany so I could sleep in my own bed after a show, but they don't anymore.

Logistically it was not possible at this time to add extra dates in existing cities nor to new northeast cities. It all has to map out.  They have not played an east coast Shed like Camden since 2008.  So that squeeze in was based on date and any available venue.

Albany would be such an easy place to add an overflow Northeast show. 

Logistically though it would have had to have preceded Quebec or come after Toronto.  Would love to see them do it, the arena here is not the greatest but it always sells out for big acts.

They were supposed to due a few days of warmup here before the 2020 Canada dates.  Not a show, but apparently were going to use the venue to rehearse.