For the first time since 1998...Tickets Unfulfilled?

OceansJenny

pdalowsky said:

to be fair id be pretty grateful for the bloody good run you've had up to now 

anyone who wants to be at a show will be at that show....even when at MSG in 2016 - i saw countless people with spares available before the show.......like tons available. 

I was busy and completely missed the lottery and onsale. Got a ticket day of for face. There is always a way.

JP218404

Congrats on an amazingly lucky run via the LOTTERY. 

I meet Eddie in 91 shouldnt I get tix to every show I want 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

PJfanJen

I know we don't "deserve" anything in life, but it is disappointing to not be able to see our favorite band. I had Baltimore tickets, can't go to the Wednesday Camden show, I live 10 hours away. No lottery pick, no Ticketmaster Verified either. Maybe they will tour next year to continue this one and come to towns closer to me. This is the first tour since I joined in 2003 that I never got tickets. 

jtyke22

122xxx member number who only trys for a single ticket so other fans have a better opportunity, and I haven't been selected for GA or reserved to any show I have tried for since Wrigley 2013!!!  I don't even try for the popular shows like MSG, Boston, etc.  I only try for shows near my hometown.   Guess I need to try moving to a smaller market like Fargo.  There has to be a better way of doing this.  Maybe people that get selected for a show should  be bumped to the back of the queue for the next batch of shows. Another possibility would be a weighted lottery based on the members proximity to the venue. Seems like PJ sells more tickets to a single show these days than they do albums.  Where are these "fans" when a new album is released??

- Frustrated 

Zod

Seniority has never had an impact on getting tickets.  With the mail in 90s, F5 in the 00's, it was first come first serve.   With lotteries in the past decade, it's been randomized.  Seniority has only ever impacted seat location, not getting tickets.

In terms of putting in for 3 shows.   I think it's done by priority.  So say you put in for new york, camden, and okc, if you missed out on new york, someone who wanted new camden or okc as their #1 would get tickets first.

it's also not two pools per show.   If you choose both, when they pull your name, if GA is available you get GA.   Once GA run outs, then people just get reserved.

I feel like the 10c does an alright job.  It feels like they managed to get more tickets allocated to a fan club than most other bands can pull off.   That's a large # of tickets going to fans.

The challenge is big market shows.   Like New York, if you've got 1 arena show for a city of 10 million, surrounded by many other big cities in a 6 hour drive, that's going to be tough every time.

Sometimes you have to be strategic.

I'm kind of lucky being in the PNW.  Vancouver is always easy to get tickets too, but Seattle is insanely hard (if it's an arena show, stadium was pretty easy).

That's my thoughts.  I hit more times than I miss, but when I miss I don't really feel like I'm going to quit the 10c.  I probably would if I missed everytime, but for me I realize Seattle is big market show, with the band being from there.  I know that's always going to be a hard ticket to get.

Zod

jtyke22 said:

122xxx member number who only trys for a single ticket so other fans have a better opportunity, and I haven't been selected for GA or reserved to any show I have tried for since Wrigley 2013!!!  I don't even try for the popular shows like MSG, Boston, etc.  I only try for shows near my hometown.   Guess I need to try moving to a smaller market like Fargo.  There has to be a better way of doing this.  Maybe people that get selected for a show should  be bumped to the back of the queue for the next batch of shows. Another possibility would be a weighted lottery based on the members proximity to the venue. Seems like PJ sells more tickets to a single show these days than they do albums.  Where are these "fans" when a new album is released??

- Frustrated 

Weighted lottery would be tough, given how small and non-encompassing pj tours are.  It would mess up so many people where PJ never plays anywhere near them.

The Ticketstoday still does weigh preference right.  So if you get tickets to New York and it was your #1 pick, then you're only going to get Camden, if everyone who wanted camden as their #1 got it first?   It sort of seems to work, unless you miss your #1.

I do like that GA/Reserved is now done together.  At least it took away the problems of going in for GA and reserved, only to have your next show be #3 priority, and someone who went reserved/reserved, was able to snipe 2 pairs of tickets for 2 shows, before someone that went ga/reserved/reserved.

I think the system's mostly working.   The tickets are going to 10c members.

mattcoz

baldoallornone said:

Thanks for all the positive answers, always can count on this "community" for support and understanding. Pretty much what I felt the common response of what you guys call the "Faithful" would be. Peace

The number of people complaining about the process is just getting on everyone's nerves. Overall this is an outstandingly generous community.

mpedone

Zod said:

jtyke22 said:

122xxx member number who only trys for a single ticket so other fans have a better opportunity, and I haven't been selected for GA or reserved to any show I have tried for since Wrigley 2013!!!  I don't even try for the popular shows like MSG, Boston, etc.  I only try for shows near my hometown.   Guess I need to try moving to a smaller market like Fargo.  There has to be a better way of doing this.  Maybe people that get selected for a show should  be bumped to the back of the queue for the next batch of shows. Another possibility would be a weighted lottery based on the members proximity to the venue. Seems like PJ sells more tickets to a single show these days than they do albums.  Where are these "fans" when a new album is released??

- Frustrated 

Weighted lottery would be tough, given how small and non-encompassing pj tours are.  It would mess up so many people where PJ never plays anywhere near them.

The Ticketstoday still does weigh preference right.  So if you get tickets to New York and it was your #1 pick, then you're only going to get Camden, if everyone who wanted camden as their #1 got it first?   It sort of seems to work, unless you miss your #1.

I do like that GA/Reserved is now done together.  At least it took away the problems of going in for GA and reserved, only to have your next show be #3 priority, and someone who went reserved/reserved, was able to snipe 2 pairs of tickets for 2 shows, before someone that went ga/reserved/reserved.

I think the system's mostly working.   The tickets are going to 10c members.

I wouldn't mind if 10C audited their system. I mean, I suspect that there are some people who are really just that unlucky after years of being lucky/going for tickets when the fan club was much smaller or more regional, but maybe the system is giving preference to higher numbers?

Even if it's not, maybe limiting ticket requests could be a thing. I do feel a little guilty that I'm going to 4 shows this year, three of which I won in the lotteries. I did lose on 2 in 2020, and put in for a less popular show this year (especially given that there are still face value tickets available), but still, when I hear that there are people who got shut out in both lotteries, I do get a little pang of guilt that I took tickets from someone who might deserve them more.

mattcoz

mpedone said:

Zod said:

jtyke22 said:

122xxx member number who only trys for a single ticket so other fans have a better opportunity, and I haven't been selected for GA or reserved to any show I have tried for since Wrigley 2013!!!  I don't even try for the popular shows like MSG, Boston, etc.  I only try for shows near my hometown.   Guess I need to try moving to a smaller market like Fargo.  There has to be a better way of doing this.  Maybe people that get selected for a show should  be bumped to the back of the queue for the next batch of shows. Another possibility would be a weighted lottery based on the members proximity to the venue. Seems like PJ sells more tickets to a single show these days than they do albums.  Where are these "fans" when a new album is released??

- Frustrated 

Weighted lottery would be tough, given how small and non-encompassing pj tours are.  It would mess up so many people where PJ never plays anywhere near them.

The Ticketstoday still does weigh preference right.  So if you get tickets to New York and it was your #1 pick, then you're only going to get Camden, if everyone who wanted camden as their #1 got it first?   It sort of seems to work, unless you miss your #1.

I do like that GA/Reserved is now done together.  At least it took away the problems of going in for GA and reserved, only to have your next show be #3 priority, and someone who went reserved/reserved, was able to snipe 2 pairs of tickets for 2 shows, before someone that went ga/reserved/reserved.

I think the system's mostly working.   The tickets are going to 10c members.

I wouldn't mind if 10C audited their system. I mean, I suspect that there are some people who are really just that unlucky after years of being lucky/going for tickets when the fan club was much smaller or more regional, but maybe the system is giving preference to higher numbers?

Even if it's not, maybe limiting ticket requests could be a thing. I do feel a little guilty that I'm going to 4 shows this year, three of which I won in the lotteries. I did lose on 2 in 2020, and put in for a less popular show this year (especially given that there are still face value tickets available), but still, when I hear that there are people who got shut out in both lotteries, I do get a little pang of guilt that I took tickets from someone who might deserve them more.

You probably didn't take them though, especially not with your backup choices. If they used their first choice on the shows you used your backups on, they would have won instead of you. They probably picked the shows in high demand, so you weren't even competing with them.

JimmyV

If they toured more and played more shows in the northeast then a lot of these problems would work themselves out. DMB has 11 shows this summer spread between New England, New York, New Jersey and Philly/Camden. And that is only part of their full U.S. tour. 

JP218404

JimmyV said:

If they toured more and played more shows in the northeast then a lot of these problems would work themselves out. DMB has 11 shows this summer spread between New England, New York, New Jersey and Philly/Camden. And that is only part of their full U.S. tour. 

100%. Dead and company about to do Philly/ Hartford/ foxboro/ spac/ Pittsburgh/ NY. 

More in the area easier for everyone to get to a show or two

Vedd Hedd

25 years of "premium membership fees"?  

I mean, it was 10 bucks a year when I joined.  Lately, its been 40, but even that does not seem like "Premium membership fees", based on what I see from other bands. 

mpedone

mattcoz said:

mpedone said:

Zod said:

jtyke22 said:

122xxx member number who only trys for a single ticket so other fans have a better opportunity, and I haven't been selected for GA or reserved to any show I have tried for since Wrigley 2013!!!  I don't even try for the popular shows like MSG, Boston, etc.  I only try for shows near my hometown.   Guess I need to try moving to a smaller market like Fargo.  There has to be a better way of doing this.  Maybe people that get selected for a show should  be bumped to the back of the queue for the next batch of shows. Another possibility would be a weighted lottery based on the members proximity to the venue. Seems like PJ sells more tickets to a single show these days than they do albums.  Where are these "fans" when a new album is released??

- Frustrated 

Weighted lottery would be tough, given how small and non-encompassing pj tours are.  It would mess up so many people where PJ never plays anywhere near them.

The Ticketstoday still does weigh preference right.  So if you get tickets to New York and it was your #1 pick, then you're only going to get Camden, if everyone who wanted camden as their #1 got it first?   It sort of seems to work, unless you miss your #1.

I do like that GA/Reserved is now done together.  At least it took away the problems of going in for GA and reserved, only to have your next show be #3 priority, and someone who went reserved/reserved, was able to snipe 2 pairs of tickets for 2 shows, before someone that went ga/reserved/reserved.

I think the system's mostly working.   The tickets are going to 10c members.

I wouldn't mind if 10C audited their system. I mean, I suspect that there are some people who are really just that unlucky after years of being lucky/going for tickets when the fan club was much smaller or more regional, but maybe the system is giving preference to higher numbers?

Even if it's not, maybe limiting ticket requests could be a thing. I do feel a little guilty that I'm going to 4 shows this year, three of which I won in the lotteries. I did lose on 2 in 2020, and put in for a less popular show this year (especially given that there are still face value tickets available), but still, when I hear that there are people who got shut out in both lotteries, I do get a little pang of guilt that I took tickets from someone who might deserve them more.

You probably didn't take them though, especially not with your backup choices. If they used their first choice on the shows you used your backups on, they would have won instead of you. They probably picked the shows in high demand, so you weren't even competing with them.

Toronto and Nashville certainly seem to be in high demand. I'm pretty sure I got both of these in 2020 because of the way the lottery differentiated Canada and the US as separate draws. So Toronto was my only Canadian show, and Nashville was my #1 US show.

PB11041

I simply do not believe that the people yelling about getting shut out signed up properly.

In the 2020 round I knew I was taking a real long shot gamble and had placed Nashville and St louis as my number 1 and number 2.  I put in for a single at MSG and Baltimore below on a whim.  All selections were Best Available. Not surprising these were my results

Nashville - WON Reserved
St. Louis - WON Reserved
MSG - lost
Baltimore - lost

I ended up with a single for MSG before the tour was cancelled and was likely going to go to Baltimore and wing it for a single at the show.

This go round I added Las Vegas in US and wanted to do Quebec and Ottawa as it was more convenient for my wifes schedule (Teacher) and I knew I had takers for my extra for Nashville and St. Louis.  All selections were Best Available. They were my results

Las Vegas - WON GA
Quebec City - WON GA
Ottawa - WON Reserved

So again, either I was uncharacteristically lucky this tour, or it was a combination of hedging on high demand shows and increased access, combined with A LOT of fans accidentally only signing up for Verified Fan and not the 10C lottery.

I tend to think it had a lot to do with the accidental route.  I knew way too many people who actually won every show they put in for.  

mattcoz

Vedd Hedd said:

25 years of "premium membership fees"?  

I mean, it was 10 bucks a year when I joined.  Lately, its been 40, but even that does not seem like "Premium membership fees", based on what I see from other bands. 

And it's only 40 if you want the t-shirt, it's 20 if you just want the access to tickets. Oh, and you get access to this wonderful message board, heh.

Vedd Hedd

mattcoz said:

Vedd Hedd said:

25 years of "premium membership fees"?  

I mean, it was 10 bucks a year when I joined.  Lately, its been 40, but even that does not seem like "Premium membership fees", based on what I see from other bands. 

And it's only 40 if you want the t-shirt, it's 20 if you just want the access to tickets. Oh, and you get access to this wonderful message board, heh.

good point

OceansJenny

$20 a year is basically free. I love the people who gripe PJ is turning into a business but then demand they receive services rendered for their $20.

Zod

I feel like I've done ok.  I've been a 10c member since '98.

I managed to get tickets to most show I've wanted to go to including Groundwork 01, Gorge 05, and Seattle 02 that had reduced 10c tickets available.

I think the only one I really missed that I wanted was Seattle 2013.

I'm lucky that I've passed on the PJ bug to my wife and closest friends, which usually means we've got a few memberships between us, but overall it hasn't been to bad.

I also feel lucky here in the PNW.  Pearl Jam at an Arena in Seattle is usually hard.  PJ anywhere else in the PNW is not usually so hard.   It's got to be rough living on the East Coast with much so many more people trying to get tix.

bootlegger10

Maybe you should be grateful that you have gotten tickets easily through the Ten Club for the last 24 years instead of getting pissed off the first time you don’t get tickets the easy way. 

Saying you are mad the first time you missed out in 24 years sounds kinda petty.

JeBurkhardt

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe you should be grateful that you have gotten tickets easily through the Ten Club for the last 24 years instead of getting pissed off the first time you don’t get tickets the easy way. 

Saying you are mad the first time you missed out in 24 years sounds kinda petty.

Hmmm there is that.