“PJ Premium” on Ticketmaster?

Lerxst1992

cp3iverson said:

mcgruff10 said:

I d love a proper northeast tour one day. Something like: 
augusta, maine
burlington, vt 
albany
buffalo 
pittsburgh
philly x2
newark, nj
nyc x3
hartford
boston  x2
baltimore
dc

I’m ok with that if they follow it up with non-festival stops at:

Houston 
Dallas
New Orleans
Tampa (3 encores before!) 
Atlanta

https://youtu.be/tbU3zdAgiX8

Lifted

Lerxst1992 said:

Not a surprise msg prices are off the chart, Camden sold 27,000 tickets in a minute… So many people want to see them in the I 95 corridor, considering the population, an unreal demand. Maybe one day we’ll see the volume of shows around here so we can properly show the band and the world our appreciation. Maybe not. It’s getting late.

We'll see what happens, but how quickly the lawn at camden sold out seems very fishy to me. That lawn holds almost 20k. Selling that many lawn tickets within an hour on a presale is unheard of.

I suspect in the coming months, we will be seeing periodic tickets dumps for the lawn....and more people than usual will buy them up due to the perceived scarcity of tickets. This is all a manipulative game for ticketmaster to sell their 'premium' tickets at inflated prices, while also creating the illusion that finding a lawn ticket is a big score when it's not. They are probably sitting on thousands of lawn tickets right now, but are waiting for people to buy premiums. Fortunately it doesn't seem like people are actually paying for those, but it would certainly be tougher for ticketmaster to sell $1200 and up seats next to a vast quantity of ga lawn listings for $59.95.

Same thing goes for nyc in regard to the market. I certainly won't argue that msg is toughest ticket of the tour, that much is obvious....but this notion that the $2-4k tickets that they are listing are market value is way off the mark. These tickets are not selling. Sometimes they disappear....which again, is ticketmaster trying to create the illusion of scarcity...but the same tickets keep randomly popping back up. I have no idea how many tickets they actually have left for msg, and I dont believe it's ever going to be easy to get a ticket at a normal price....but those prices are certainly going to come down at some point. Ticketmaster isn't going to just eat them if no one wants to pay thousands of dollars for them.

I know Denver and NYC wont have f2f, but if people were actually buying the premiums in any significant numbers, they would've opened the f2f up for the other dates by now. 

rustneversleeps

Lifted said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Not a surprise msg prices are off the chart, Camden sold 27,000 tickets in a minute… So many people want to see them in the I 95 corridor, considering the population, an unreal demand. Maybe one day we’ll see the volume of shows around here so we can properly show the band and the world our appreciation. Maybe not. It’s getting late.

We'll see what happens, but how quickly the lawn at camden sold out seems very fishy to me. That lawn holds almost 20k. Selling that many lawn tickets within an hour on a presale is unheard of.

I suspect in the coming months, we will be seeing periodic tickets dumps for the lawn....and more people than usual will buy them up due to the perceived scarcity of tickets. This is all a manipulative game for ticketmaster to sell their 'premium' tickets at inflated prices, while also creating the illusion that finding a lawn ticket is a big score when it's not. They are probably sitting on thousands of lawn tickets right now, but are waiting for people to buy premiums. Fortunately it doesn't seem like people are actually paying for those, but it would certainly be tougher for ticketmaster to sell $1200 and up seats next to a vast quantity of ga lawn listings for $59.95.

Same thing goes for nyc in regard to the market. I certainly won't argue that msg is toughest ticket of the tour, that much is obvious....but this notion that the $2-4k tickets that they are listing are market value is way off the mark. These tickets are not selling. Sometimes they disappear....which again, is ticketmaster trying to create the illusion of scarcity...but the same tickets keep randomly popping back up. I have no idea how many tickets they actually have left for msg, and I dont believe it's ever going to be easy to get a ticket at a normal price....but those prices are certainly going to come down at some point. Ticketmaster isn't going to just eat them if no one wants to pay thousands of dollars for them.

I know Denver and NYC wont have f2f, but if people were actually buying the premiums in any significant numbers, they would've opened the f2f up for the other dates by now. 

they sold out the shows in camden within minutes 10 times between 98-08. they havent played philly in 6 years and its 1 night. philly/ south jersey fanbase alone would sell out camden. i'm sure they'll release some lawns along the way but I'm not surprised at all that most would be sold. theres 10s of thousands of fans just in the philadelphia area who dont have to be 10 rows from the stage or under the cover period. they are thrilled to get a cheap lawn and go to a show.  if they announced a 9/13 camden, that would sellout too. 

cp3iverson

I went to every ECenter show between 98-03.   The guy above is correct. The lawn sold out within minutes every time.  I remember being in the old school Ticketmaster line on one occasion. I got the last of the seats and they ran out of lawn tickets before half of my line even got to the counter. 

rustneversleeps

cp3iverson said:

I went to every ECenter show between 98-03.   The guy above is correct. The lawn sold out within minutes every time.  

2 nights each time within minutes. they would put night 1 on sale, it would be gone in under 5 mins. then within the hour a 2nd night would pop up, and be gone in 5 mins. 

JimmyV

rustneversleeps said:

cp3iverson said:

I went to every ECenter show between 98-03.   The guy above is correct. The lawn sold out within minutes every time.  

2 nights each time within minutes. they would put night 1 on sale, it would be gone in under 5 mins. then within the hour a 2nd night would pop up, and be gone in 5 mins. 

And all of that with multiple other shows in the northeast selling, too. This time there were no other shows. 

rustneversleeps

cp3iverson said:

I went to every ECenter show between 98-03.   The guy above is correct. The lawn sold out within minutes every time.  I remember being in the old school Ticketmaster line on one occasion. I got the last of the seats and they ran out of lawn tickets before half of my line even got to the counter. 

that lawns gonna be loud and proud on 9/14

joseph33

PJNB said:

mcgruff10 said:

Check that, 5k a seat. Sec 106 row 1

Wanna go halfers? Only if you sit on my lap,lol.

mshnayder

Lifted said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Not a surprise msg prices are off the chart, Camden sold 27,000 tickets in a minute… So many people want to see them in the I 95 corridor, considering the population, an unreal demand. Maybe one day we’ll see the volume of shows around here so we can properly show the band and the world our appreciation. Maybe not. It’s getting late.

We'll see what happens, but how quickly the lawn at camden sold out seems very fishy to me. That lawn holds almost 20k. Selling that many lawn tickets within an hour on a presale is unheard of.

I suspect in the coming months, we will be seeing periodic tickets dumps for the lawn....and more people than usual will buy them up due to the perceived scarcity of tickets. This is all a manipulative game for ticketmaster to sell their 'premium' tickets at inflated prices, while also creating the illusion that finding a lawn ticket is a big score when it's not. They are probably sitting on thousands of lawn tickets right now, but are waiting for people to buy premiums. Fortunately it doesn't seem like people are actually paying for those, but it would certainly be tougher for ticketmaster to sell $1200 and up seats next to a vast quantity of ga lawn listings for $59.95.

Same thing goes for nyc in regard to the market. I certainly won't argue that msg is toughest ticket of the tour, that much is obvious....but this notion that the $2-4k tickets that they are listing are market value is way off the mark. These tickets are not selling. Sometimes they disappear....which again, is ticketmaster trying to create the illusion of scarcity...but the same tickets keep randomly popping back up. I have no idea how many tickets they actually have left for msg, and I dont believe it's ever going to be easy to get a ticket at a normal price....but those prices are certainly going to come down at some point. Ticketmaster isn't going to just eat them if no one wants to pay thousands of dollars for them.

I know Denver and NYC wont have f2f, but if people were actually buying the premiums in any significant numbers, they would've opened the f2f up for the other dates by now. 

Highly disagree with this. This is a band that plays two nights in baseball stadiums and sells out in Boston, Chicago, and Seattle. I would argue Philly is a bigger PJ market than those cities. It's not fishy at all that they sold out of 27,000 tickets that fast with no sign of a second night being available.

I would even disagree with the NYC comment as well. I truly believe the market value to get into MSG for 1 night of PJ is around $2k. It's really not that crazy at all. The demand is there and it's simple economics. 

rustneversleeps

JimmyV said:

rustneversleeps said:

cp3iverson said:

I went to every ECenter show between 98-03.   The guy above is correct. The lawn sold out within minutes every time.  

2 nights each time within minutes. they would put night 1 on sale, it would be gone in under 5 mins. then within the hour a 2nd night would pop up, and be gone in 5 mins. 

And all of that with multiple other shows in the northeast selling, too. This time there were no other shows. 

exactly. you have only 2 nights total between NY and PHI not the usual 4, and like you said NYers didnt have to claim MSG first. and people up to Boston, and down to DC, and everywhere else going to the show. 

smile6680

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I prefer the swedish brown squirrels to the big grey ones running around NYC. But those are cute too ofc.

Looks like a Maine red squirrel. We kill them on site. They will do damage to houses and garages.

rustneversleeps

smile6680 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I prefer the swedish brown squirrels to the big grey ones running around NYC. But those are cute too ofc.

Looks like a Maine red squirrel. We kill them on site. They will do damage to houses and garages.

spiritual chaos is not going to like this 

Poncier

rustneversleeps said:

smile6680 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I prefer the swedish brown squirrels to the big grey ones running around NYC. But those are cute too ofc.

Looks like a Maine red squirrel. We kill them on site. They will do damage to houses and garages.

spiritual chaos is not going to like this 

What if he eats them after killing them and makes squirrel skin hays out of the pelts? You know using all the hunted resources a la Ted Nugent. Surely Spiritual Chaos will be OK in that case.

Lerxst1992

mshnayder said:

Lifted said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Not a surprise msg prices are off the chart, Camden sold 27,000 tickets in a minute… So many people want to see them in the I 95 corridor, considering the population, an unreal demand. Maybe one day we’ll see the volume of shows around here so we can properly show the band and the world our appreciation. Maybe not. It’s getting late.

We'll see what happens, but how quickly the lawn at camden sold out seems very fishy to me. That lawn holds almost 20k. Selling that many lawn tickets within an hour on a presale is unheard of.

I suspect in the coming months, we will be seeing periodic tickets dumps for the lawn....and more people than usual will buy them up due to the perceived scarcity of tickets. This is all a manipulative game for ticketmaster to sell their 'premium' tickets at inflated prices, while also creating the illusion that finding a lawn ticket is a big score when it's not. They are probably sitting on thousands of lawn tickets right now, but are waiting for people to buy premiums. Fortunately it doesn't seem like people are actually paying for those, but it would certainly be tougher for ticketmaster to sell $1200 and up seats next to a vast quantity of ga lawn listings for $59.95.

Same thing goes for nyc in regard to the market. I certainly won't argue that msg is toughest ticket of the tour, that much is obvious....but this notion that the $2-4k tickets that they are listing are market value is way off the mark. These tickets are not selling. Sometimes they disappear....which again, is ticketmaster trying to create the illusion of scarcity...but the same tickets keep randomly popping back up. I have no idea how many tickets they actually have left for msg, and I dont believe it's ever going to be easy to get a ticket at a normal price....but those prices are certainly going to come down at some point. Ticketmaster isn't going to just eat them if no one wants to pay thousands of dollars for them.

I know Denver and NYC wont have f2f, but if people were actually buying the premiums in any significant numbers, they would've opened the f2f up for the other dates by now. 

Highly disagree with this. This is a band that plays two nights in baseball stadiums and sells out in Boston, Chicago, and Seattle. I would argue Philly is a bigger PJ market than those cities. It's not fishy at all that they sold out of 27,000 tickets that fast with no sign of a second night being available.

I would even disagree with the NYC comment as well. I truly believe the market value to get into MSG for 1 night of PJ is around $2k. It's really not that crazy at all. The demand is there and it's simple economics. 

I commented earlier this weekend I was listening to one of the Camden shows from 2003 and Ed said something implying this. Back in the day album sales were a reliable measure, he said they sold disproportionately more albums in this region than anywhere else. I believe he was referring to the NY, PA, MA corridor. I can’t  recall ticket availability for any amount of tickets anywhere near NY or Philly over the years like a few of the shows available now . 

 It’s very curious two of the three shows added were in the CA Central Valley, considering two Oak shows were already on the schedule. Not sure if that decision matches their draw in that region, as population density in the valley is roughly 90% less than that on the other coast. 

The MSG show was on stub hub for months in 2020 and prices were sky high throughout.

cp3iverson

They’ve also acknowledged that Last Kiss would not have been a hit if not for Philadelphia deciding to play it on the radio.  It became a hit there and the rest of the country started playing it

ddeschler

Unforgivable

kosteva2

cp3iverson said:

They’ve also acknowledged that Last Kiss would not have been a hit if not for Philadelphia deciding to play it on the radio.  It became a hit there and the rest of the country started playing it

The band has always had pretty good relationship with old school terrestrial radio rock stations in Philly.  Seems like they name-drop WMMR and some of their DJs every time they play in Philly.

smile6680

rustneversleeps said:

smile6680 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I prefer the swedish brown squirrels to the big grey ones running around NYC. But those are cute too ofc.

Looks like a Maine red squirrel. We kill them on site. They will do damage to houses and garages.

spiritual chaos is not going to like this 

Well, It's better than seeing your house burn down due to the fact they love to chew electrical wires. Grey squirrels and chipmunks can come and go as they please. 

JimmyV

$4,756 before fees this morning. A new record. 

cmalisze

JimmyV said:

$4,756 before fees this morning. A new record. 

$10,920 after fees lol