Rip Taylor Hawkins

HughFreakingDillon

PeterED said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

finally read the entire article. man....two months on and it's still tough. 

I thought it was a great article. Will be interesting to see how RS responds to Matt and Chad's statements (Maybe post the entire audio?)

FF are crazy with their touring schedule - I'd say that's an objective truth. But flying to Australia for 1 show is next level. Could definitely see how people in their camp might not have been jacked about that. (If true, that is.)

what a waste....just to be "the first big show". 

bootlegger10

I was one touting FF’s commitment to touring compared to PJ but perhaps the FF model isn’t best for everyone.

smithnic

Zod said:

CantKeepmedown said:

Parksy said:

PJammer4life said:

It makes Matt and Chad look like snitches and Dave look heartless. Not very cool, but RS doesn’t care. Taylor and Dave were much more than singer and drummer. By comparison it was easy for Eddie to have Krusen and Irons walk away after conversations than a best friend.

  

To what someone said earlier... there is validity in that he was his own adult person who could have and perhaps should have just walked away. I think maybe it's easier said than done and we've seen this happen far too often with our early 90s rockers. Somehow, Pearl Jam figured out how to do this.  I couldn't help when reading this article the PJ20 doc when Stone explained... "That was the birth of 'No." Or when Neil Young talked about Kurt Cobain.... those sentiments only became relative when Kurt died. This is craziness. 

Matt touched upon that in the article. Foo Fighters are a big business. You walk away and you're affecting hundreds of other people's livelihoods. I can imagine Taylor thinking that he needs a break or needs to scale things back a bit and then thinking about how many people he would let down. Just an impossible situation. 

Given this was mostly likely out of context, I still feel like responding.

How did PJ figure this out?  I've always gotten the feeling that the band members aren't on the same page when it comes to how often and how long they should tour.  I think some members like to tour more and some members less.   The tours do tend to be on the smaller side, so they must of give a lot of weight to the members who like to tour less.

I wonder what those conversations were like and how they arrived at resolutions.   Maybe other bands could learn from them... or maybe it was trainwreck behind the scenes.. lol.

this is what struck me the most in terms of Matt's comments.  This explains PJ not playing 33+ songs on this tour.  Not even that it's Matt saying that but likely they all decided that it just isn't worth it anymore. 

lowbudgetlush

I imagine Matt Cameron and Chad smith are saving face here. They must have gotten some push back from their bands or Dave. Anyways, rolling stone can easily straighten this out. Post the full interviews. We shall see who was right or who was wrong.

sfrduder

Get_Right said:

They talked with the media. They know how this works. Kudos to Dave and the FF for keeping it private.

Exactly. 

JB16057

lowbudgetlush said:

I imagine Matt Cameron and Chad smith are saving face here. They must have gotten some push back from their bands or Dave. Anyways, rolling stone can easily straighten this out. Post the full interviews. We shall see who was right or who was wrong.

What else could they add to this interview that would've changed what they said? RS quoted what they said. Sure, they probably left out some of the pieces but what Matt and Chad were saying was the truth from personal experience and what Taylor told them.

Matt and Chad shouldn't have ever said what they said if they didn't want the public to hear their side of the story. Now they are regretting it. RS may be shite but they are just doing their job.

FF hasn't made any public comments and there's probably a reason for that. Matt and Chad eluded to some of the issues.

CROJAM95

Whenever someone dies young and under circumstances like this… things will be said

ive been to more than 1 funeral and saw a fist fight

Its all here say

HughFreakingDillon

JB16057 said:

lowbudgetlush said:

I imagine Matt Cameron and Chad smith are saving face here. They must have gotten some push back from their bands or Dave. Anyways, rolling stone can easily straighten this out. Post the full interviews. We shall see who was right or who was wrong.

What else could they add to this interview that would've changed what they said? RS quoted what they said. Sure, they probably left out some of the pieces but what Matt and Chad were saying was the truth from personal experience and what Taylor told them.

Matt and Chad shouldn't have ever said what they said if they didn't want the public to hear their side of the story. Now they are regretting it. RS may be shite but they are just doing their job.

FF hasn't made any public comments and there's probably a reason for that. Matt and Chad eluded to some of the issues.

just because it's an actual quote doesn't mean it wasn't taken out of context. context matters. 

Ledbetterman10

HughFreakingDillon said:

JB16057 said:

lowbudgetlush said:

I imagine Matt Cameron and Chad smith are saving face here. They must have gotten some push back from their bands or Dave. Anyways, rolling stone can easily straighten this out. Post the full interviews. We shall see who was right or who was wrong.

What else could they add to this interview that would've changed what they said? RS quoted what they said. Sure, they probably left out some of the pieces but what Matt and Chad were saying was the truth from personal experience and what Taylor told them.

Matt and Chad shouldn't have ever said what they said if they didn't want the public to hear their side of the story. Now they are regretting it. RS may be shite but they are just doing their job.

FF hasn't made any public comments and there's probably a reason for that. Matt and Chad eluded to some of the issues.

just because it's an actual quote doesn't mean it wasn't taken out of context. context matters. 

Yeah but on the other hand, look at these quotes....

“He had a heart-to-heart with Dave and, yeah, he told me that he ‘couldn’t fucking do it anymore’ — those were his words,” says Pearl Jam drummer Matt Cameron, a close friend of Hawkins’ for decades who recorded music with him recently under the banner Nighttime Boogie Association, one of Hawkins’ many side projects. “So I guess they did come to some understanding, but it just seems like the touring schedule got even crazier after that.”

“He tried to keep up,” Cameron says. “He just did whatever it took to keep up, and in the end he couldn’t keep up.”

Hawkins turned to Cameron for advice, since the Pearl Jam drummer faced similar pressures. “There’s only a handful of guys in our profession that still play this intense high-energy, Nineties rock music,” Cameron says. “We both had to strike that balance of ‘We never want to complain,’ but there are real, specific things about what we do that’s really fucking challenging and really difficult. … It’s like we have to be able to sort of run a marathon every time we hit the stage, just because the music sort of calls for that type of energy.”



After reading the article a second time, I think Matt's quotes were used pretty fairly. He said in his Instagram post that he thought the point of the article was to pay tribute to Taylor. Well, Matt could've paid tribute (which he does during other parts of the article) without saying "he couldn't fucking do it anymore" and noting "their tour schedule got even crazier after that." But he said what he said. I don't think these quotes were taken out of context. 

HughFreakingDillon

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JB16057 said:

lowbudgetlush said:

I imagine Matt Cameron and Chad smith are saving face here. They must have gotten some push back from their bands or Dave. Anyways, rolling stone can easily straighten this out. Post the full interviews. We shall see who was right or who was wrong.

What else could they add to this interview that would've changed what they said? RS quoted what they said. Sure, they probably left out some of the pieces but what Matt and Chad were saying was the truth from personal experience and what Taylor told them.

Matt and Chad shouldn't have ever said what they said if they didn't want the public to hear their side of the story. Now they are regretting it. RS may be shite but they are just doing their job.

FF hasn't made any public comments and there's probably a reason for that. Matt and Chad eluded to some of the issues.

just because it's an actual quote doesn't mean it wasn't taken out of context. context matters. 

Yeah but on the other hand, look at these quotes....

“He had a heart-to-heart with Dave and, yeah, he told me that he ‘couldn’t fucking do it anymore’ — those were his words,” says Pearl Jam drummer Matt Cameron, a close friend of Hawkins’ for decades who recorded music with him recently under the banner Nighttime Boogie Association, one of Hawkins’ many side projects. “So I guess they did come to some understanding, but it just seems like the touring schedule got even crazier after that.”

“He tried to keep up,” Cameron says. “He just did whatever it took to keep up, and in the end he couldn’t keep up.”

Hawkins turned to Cameron for advice, since the Pearl Jam drummer faced similar pressures. “There’s only a handful of guys in our profession that still play this intense high-energy, Nineties rock music,” Cameron says. “We both had to strike that balance of ‘We never want to complain,’ but there are real, specific things about what we do that’s really fucking challenging and really difficult. … It’s like we have to be able to sort of run a marathon every time we hit the stage, just because the music sort of calls for that type of energy.”



After reading the article a second time, I think Matt's quotes were used pretty fairly. He said in his Instagram post that he thought the point of the article was to pay tribute to Taylor. Well, Matt could've paid tribute (which he does during other parts of the article) without saying "he couldn't fucking do it anymore" and noting "their tour schedule got even crazier after that." But he said what he said. I don't think these quotes were taken out of context. 

um, since you were only given the quotes that were printed, and having not seen the full context, how could you claim to believe they weren't taken out of context? that can't possibly known without the context! 

The_Giant_Midget

to me this seems like Taylor had an issue with Dave's touring schedule, vented to Matt and Chad. Matt/Chad told RS some stuff Taylor mentioned. RS prints their quotes now it looks like Matt/Chad are solely blaming Dave for this. That would explain their retraction because 1. im sure there were other factors involved with his death and 2. Matt/Chad aren't trying to get into a war with Dave. Messy situation all around

Ledbetterman10

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JB16057 said:

lowbudgetlush said:

I imagine Matt Cameron and Chad smith are saving face here. They must have gotten some push back from their bands or Dave. Anyways, rolling stone can easily straighten this out. Post the full interviews. We shall see who was right or who was wrong.

What else could they add to this interview that would've changed what they said? RS quoted what they said. Sure, they probably left out some of the pieces but what Matt and Chad were saying was the truth from personal experience and what Taylor told them.

Matt and Chad shouldn't have ever said what they said if they didn't want the public to hear their side of the story. Now they are regretting it. RS may be shite but they are just doing their job.

FF hasn't made any public comments and there's probably a reason for that. Matt and Chad eluded to some of the issues.

just because it's an actual quote doesn't mean it wasn't taken out of context. context matters. 

Yeah but on the other hand, look at these quotes....

“He had a heart-to-heart with Dave and, yeah, he told me that he ‘couldn’t fucking do it anymore’ — those were his words,” says Pearl Jam drummer Matt Cameron, a close friend of Hawkins’ for decades who recorded music with him recently under the banner Nighttime Boogie Association, one of Hawkins’ many side projects. “So I guess they did come to some understanding, but it just seems like the touring schedule got even crazier after that.”

“He tried to keep up,” Cameron says. “He just did whatever it took to keep up, and in the end he couldn’t keep up.”

Hawkins turned to Cameron for advice, since the Pearl Jam drummer faced similar pressures. “There’s only a handful of guys in our profession that still play this intense high-energy, Nineties rock music,” Cameron says. “We both had to strike that balance of ‘We never want to complain,’ but there are real, specific things about what we do that’s really fucking challenging and really difficult. … It’s like we have to be able to sort of run a marathon every time we hit the stage, just because the music sort of calls for that type of energy.”



After reading the article a second time, I think Matt's quotes were used pretty fairly. He said in his Instagram post that he thought the point of the article was to pay tribute to Taylor. Well, Matt could've paid tribute (which he does during other parts of the article) without saying "he couldn't fucking do it anymore" and noting "their tour schedule got even crazier after that." But he said what he said. I don't think these quotes were taken out of context. 

um, since you were only given the quotes that were printed, and having not seen the full context, how could you claim to believe they weren't taken out of context? that can't possibly known without the context! 

What kind context do you need for these quotes? Especially the first two. 

JimmyV

Context or not, it was strange to read quotes like this from Matt. Particularly so in a magazine like Rolling Stone that has earned the contempt many are showing it in this thread. 

HughFreakingDillon

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JB16057 said:

lowbudgetlush said:

I imagine Matt Cameron and Chad smith are saving face here. They must have gotten some push back from their bands or Dave. Anyways, rolling stone can easily straighten this out. Post the full interviews. We shall see who was right or who was wrong.

What else could they add to this interview that would've changed what they said? RS quoted what they said. Sure, they probably left out some of the pieces but what Matt and Chad were saying was the truth from personal experience and what Taylor told them.

Matt and Chad shouldn't have ever said what they said if they didn't want the public to hear their side of the story. Now they are regretting it. RS may be shite but they are just doing their job.

FF hasn't made any public comments and there's probably a reason for that. Matt and Chad eluded to some of the issues.

just because it's an actual quote doesn't mean it wasn't taken out of context. context matters. 

Yeah but on the other hand, look at these quotes....

“He had a heart-to-heart with Dave and, yeah, he told me that he ‘couldn’t fucking do it anymore’ — those were his words,” says Pearl Jam drummer Matt Cameron, a close friend of Hawkins’ for decades who recorded music with him recently under the banner Nighttime Boogie Association, one of Hawkins’ many side projects. “So I guess they did come to some understanding, but it just seems like the touring schedule got even crazier after that.”

“He tried to keep up,” Cameron says. “He just did whatever it took to keep up, and in the end he couldn’t keep up.”

Hawkins turned to Cameron for advice, since the Pearl Jam drummer faced similar pressures. “There’s only a handful of guys in our profession that still play this intense high-energy, Nineties rock music,” Cameron says. “We both had to strike that balance of ‘We never want to complain,’ but there are real, specific things about what we do that’s really fucking challenging and really difficult. … It’s like we have to be able to sort of run a marathon every time we hit the stage, just because the music sort of calls for that type of energy.”



After reading the article a second time, I think Matt's quotes were used pretty fairly. He said in his Instagram post that he thought the point of the article was to pay tribute to Taylor. Well, Matt could've paid tribute (which he does during other parts of the article) without saying "he couldn't fucking do it anymore" and noting "their tour schedule got even crazier after that." But he said what he said. I don't think these quotes were taken out of context. 

um, since you were only given the quotes that were printed, and having not seen the full context, how could you claim to believe they weren't taken out of context? that can't possibly known without the context! 

What kind context do you need for these quotes? Especially the first two. 

the question asked and the full answer. 

opsopcopolis

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JB16057 said:

lowbudgetlush said:

I imagine Matt Cameron and Chad smith are saving face here. They must have gotten some push back from their bands or Dave. Anyways, rolling stone can easily straighten this out. Post the full interviews. We shall see who was right or who was wrong.

What else could they add to this interview that would've changed what they said? RS quoted what they said. Sure, they probably left out some of the pieces but what Matt and Chad were saying was the truth from personal experience and what Taylor told them.

Matt and Chad shouldn't have ever said what they said if they didn't want the public to hear their side of the story. Now they are regretting it. RS may be shite but they are just doing their job.

FF hasn't made any public comments and there's probably a reason for that. Matt and Chad eluded to some of the issues.

just because it's an actual quote doesn't mean it wasn't taken out of context. context matters. 

Yeah but on the other hand, look at these quotes....

“He had a heart-to-heart with Dave and, yeah, he told me that he ‘couldn’t fucking do it anymore’ — those were his words,” says Pearl Jam drummer Matt Cameron, a close friend of Hawkins’ for decades who recorded music with him recently under the banner Nighttime Boogie Association, one of Hawkins’ many side projects. “So I guess they did come to some understanding, but it just seems like the touring schedule got even crazier after that.”

“He tried to keep up,” Cameron says. “He just did whatever it took to keep up, and in the end he couldn’t keep up.”

Hawkins turned to Cameron for advice, since the Pearl Jam drummer faced similar pressures. “There’s only a handful of guys in our profession that still play this intense high-energy, Nineties rock music,” Cameron says. “We both had to strike that balance of ‘We never want to complain,’ but there are real, specific things about what we do that’s really fucking challenging and really difficult. … It’s like we have to be able to sort of run a marathon every time we hit the stage, just because the music sort of calls for that type of energy.”



After reading the article a second time, I think Matt's quotes were used pretty fairly. He said in his Instagram post that he thought the point of the article was to pay tribute to Taylor. Well, Matt could've paid tribute (which he does during other parts of the article) without saying "he couldn't fucking do it anymore" and noting "their tour schedule got even crazier after that." But he said what he said. I don't think these quotes were taken out of context. 

um, since you were only given the quotes that were printed, and having not seen the full context, how could you claim to believe they weren't taken out of context? that can't possibly known without the context! 

What kind context do you need for these quotes? Especially the first two. 

the question asked and the full answer. 

Exactly. We have no idea whether the "He tried to keep up quote" came from the same question as the previous one about touring schedule and talking to Dave. I'd guess not, and using them in conjunction like that paints a pretty accusatory picture 

Ledbetterman10

Well articles like this don’t work like that. Especially with pathetic rag like Rolling Stone. And Matt and Chad know that. 

PJALK

Ledbetterman10 said:

Well articles like this don’t work like that. Especially with pathetic rag like Rolling Stone. And Matt and Chad know that. 

RS is BS rag mag.  Politically biased as well.  I am sure TH was just venting frustration and pressure to support the FF tours to his buddies. But why would Matt and Chad talk to this rag mag?  This rag mag is looking for shock and awe stories and clicks.   

HughFreakingDillon

Ledbetterman10 said:

Well articles like this don’t work like that. Especially with pathetic rag like Rolling Stone. And Matt and Chad know that. 

now you've changed the argument. But to this comment; maybe they knew the "journalist" in question. Maybe they trusted them. Maybe they were given assurances that later came to be untrue, as they both have stated on their socials. 

The entire point is, none of us can know exactly what the full context was or why they said what they said and under what circumstance. The fact that it was two of Taylor's closest friends/colleagues should call into question the motivations of the writer or editor of the story. 

Ledbetterman10

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Well articles like this don’t work like that. Especially with pathetic rag like Rolling Stone. And Matt and Chad know that. 

now you've changed the argument. But to this comment; maybe they knew the "journalist" in question. Maybe they trusted them. Maybe they were given assurances that later came to be untrue, as they both have stated on their socials. 

The entire point is, none of us can know exactly what the full context was or why they said what they said and under what circumstance. The fact that it was two of Taylor's closest friends/colleagues should call into question the motivations of the writer or editor of the story. 

Well if you’re gonna “‘maybe this and maybe that,” maybe Matt and Chad thought they were being sympathetic to Taylor with those quotes, but didn’t think about how they made Dave look until the article came out…and now they’re doing damage control. Maybe….

JB16057

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Well articles like this don’t work like that. Especially with pathetic rag like Rolling Stone. And Matt and Chad know that. 

now you've changed the argument. But to this comment; maybe they knew the "journalist" in question. Maybe they trusted them. Maybe they were given assurances that later came to be untrue, as they both have stated on their socials. 

The entire point is, none of us can know exactly what the full context was or why they said what they said and under what circumstance. The fact that it was two of Taylor's closest friends/colleagues should call into question the motivations of the writer or editor of the story. 

Well if you’re gonna “‘maybe this and maybe that,” maybe Matt and Chad thought they were being sympathetic to Taylor with those quotes, but didn’t think about how they made Dave look until the article came out…and now they’re doing damage control. Maybe….

This sounds way more plausible than RS didn't run the whole story. RS didn't mix and match words from sentences. These were full sentences. This was information that was not public before so of course RS is going to jump on what these guys said. That's the other thing, it wasn't one random guy talking. It was 2 different well known rock starts that told the same story about Taylor.

The only context that would've made a difference is if Matt and Chad both said, "Everything we are saying is not true."