Lost Dogs Vinyl $50

apirk72

The crazy thing is a lot of record stores sell these types of boots, not just the shitty live bootlegs but straight up counterfeit records.  IT sucks because it seems a lot of people don't know what they are buying and then they get sent back into the wild as legit records.  It was nice to see MBV reissue Loveless because the amount of counterfeits of this was insane, same with alot of the 80's - early 90's Tom Waits records.

Loujoe

I've said it before, the store I went to sell boots as imports for lots of money. I'm 99% sure 'import' means 'boot'. And it is misleading. I'd have less of a problem with it if they said bootleg copy so buyers know. 

Lost In Ohio

BF25394 said:

I had no idea this is such a hot item. I bought it when it was released just like every other album. Why is this one so valuable? Did they manufacturer fewer of them than usual?

Who knew that thing sitting on my shelf that cost $20 is worth hundreds of dollars?  (Well, apparently, you all knew.)

Until the vinyl resurgence really took off, stuff was pressed in very small numbers. With the vinyl resurgence, a lot of that stuff is harder to find, especially now that people are buying records "just because."

Lost In Ohio

Cropduster-80 said:

How do these even get pressed?  I assume no reputable vinyl plant would press something that is clearly a copyright infringement and illegal.

whoever pressed it may not be the bank robber, but they definitely are the getaway driver and thus involved.  It seems a bit more involved than just bootlegging CD’s .  Are there basement pressing plants or something?

i mean even YouTube takes stuff down that violates the copyright holders rights  

I'm not so sure about records, but there's factories in Asia that manufacture clothing. When they close for the night, the bootleggers come in the back door, make knockoff stuff and sell those shoes and jerseys for $50, sometimes even on Amazon.

A lot of times, you can't even tell the difference.

PSUS2H

I'm anti-boot. If its not legit I dont want it.

Lost In Ohio

Loujoe said:

I've said it before, the store I went to sell boots as imports for lots of money. I'm 99% sure 'import' means 'boot'. And it is misleading. I'd have less of a problem with it if they said bootleg copy so buyers know. 

Yeah. When it's marked as "special European release" or "import version" or whatever, it's usually a bootleg.


www.PJCollectors.com has an in-depth list of all the official releases from cassette tapes to mini-discs to vinyl to all the different CD releases, etc.

This is not an authoritative list of "authentic vs bootleg" but it's what I can remember. I'm sure other people can add on what they know.

Ten has a basketball picture disc released in Europe. This has been bootlegged and the small print is blurry on the bootleg. There's also a Japanese version on black vinyl. The Japanese CD has "I've Got A Feeling" and the European CD has a live version of Alive along with studio versions of Dirty Frank and Wash.

Vs has a blue version released in South America. Apparently this blue one was a mistake. It's quite rare and hard to find.

Vitalogy and No Code...I'm sure someone bootlegged these. If they exist, I'm unaware.

A bootlegged version of Yield has the yield sign printed on the cover. The authentic one is die-cut.

There is a legit white copy of Backspacer. I've seen one that was a black/white marble which was claimed to be legit. The record plant seemingly didn't clear their machines before making the different color.

The Fixer 7" is white in the USA and black in Europe. There's an orange copy which was released to USA record stores as part of a promotion. There's a blue version which was limited to 50 or 100 copies and given to friends and family. There may or may not be a different shade of blue. I used to believe there was a blue and light blue, but later on I heard it was just one. Orange, black, white, blue.

There's a green version of Amongst The Waves, which I believe was released in Europe.

Avocado has been bootlegged. The one I saw was an obvious fake because the "PEARL JAM" on the spine is upside down.

Binaural's bootleg typically has a "PEARL JAM" logo above the nebula.

The red Lightning Bolt was released to random 10C members who bought the album from the PJ shop.

Any colored copy of Yield (usually white), Ukulele Songs (usually green), or Binaural (usually orange) is a bootleg.

There is a legit copy of Soldier Field 95 which was apparently released to a radio station to distribute. I'm not sure of the exact details, but apparently it's not fully authorized, but not a true bootleg. It's been described as "toothpaste green" and has been bootlegged into other colors.

Of course, if it's not Sony/Epic, J Records or Monkeywrench, it's probably bootleg. And yes, "Suck On My Dick Presents" is an obvious bootleg.

And no, I didn't make that last one up. It's apparently a test pressing of a bootleg copy of Melbourne 98.

Patrick_Sea3

Cropduster-80 said:

Patrick_Sea3 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

How do these even get pressed?  I assume no reputable vinyl plant would press something that is clearly a copyright infringement and illegal.

whoever pressed it may not be the bank robber, but they definitely are the getaway driver and thus involved.  It seems a bit more involved than just bootlegging CD’s .  Are there basement pressing plants or something?

i mean even YouTube takes stuff down that violates the copyright holders rights  

Europe has less strict laws, and I highly doubt they are pressed in a basement.  Bootlegs have been around forever, and where there is a will there is a way.

Maybe but I still have memories when college kids in their dorm rooms got sued personally for using Napster for copyright infringement. 

I wouldn’t want to be that guy selling boots online.

less strict or not in Europe, once it’s here and you are selling it, that’s a risk I wouldn’t take.  Sooner or later a record company is going to make an example of someone 

Easy Street records sells them, Pearl Jam 20 and Rear View Mirror, among others…

Loujoe

Saw a red lost dogs today.. 50 and it sold.

demetrios

Loujoe said:

Saw a red lost dogs today.. 50 and it sold.

Saw that too on Instagram. How many colored bootleg variants are out there on Lost Dogs so far? Here's hoping PJ Co. sees this garbage and officially reissues it. 

apirk72

They'll keep making them if people foolishly keep buying them, it isn't like they have to follow any rules.

joe159

Was in St. Louis yesterday and stopped at Vintage Vinyl, they had a copy of Lost Dogs (bootleg) for around $50. They also had a some copies of Alice In Chains The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here  which got me super stoked at first as I love that album and want it on vinyl but alas it was a boot as well. Not paying $50 for a boot.

FR181798

Important thing is to do your research, the coloured pressings are usually a giveaway. The hardest ones to tell are when the original release was just a lightweight black record in single pocket sleeve. If you look close enough you can often see the small print has lost bits or sharpness when it's been scanned. Saying that I've seen some poor quality sleeves on reissues. In Utero springs to mind.

apirk72

And as always if the price seems to good to be true it is.  You aren't going to find a mint copy of Rain Dogs for $25 or any long expensive OOP record.  This isn't the good old days where you can find deals, literally everyone knows exactly how much stuff is worth.

Lost In Ohio

apirk72 said:

And as always if the price seems to good to be true it is.  You aren't going to find a mint copy of Rain Dogs for $25 or any long expensive OOP record.  This isn't the good old days where you can find deals, literally everyone knows exactly how much stuff is worth.

And we all know the smartest people at record stores aren't putting that rare OOP copy of a record on their regular rack for $30.

Oh no. It goes behind the glass for $300 or on eBay.

JeBurkhardt

I walked into a record store one time and saw the AIC self titled record sitting on a shelf. I did a double take and checked it out, only to realize it was a boot. 

FR181798

apirk72 said:

And as always if the price seems to good to be true it is.  You aren't going to find a mint copy of Rain Dogs for $25 or any long expensive OOP record.  This isn't the good old days where you can find deals, literally everyone knows exactly how much stuff is worth.

Occasionally I'll find a good deal. Usually online places that have a high turnover in stock and usually deal in books and cds.  Sometimes places that have one last copy of something that has recently sold out but haven't priced it at the going rate. Less than 5 years ago I bought a near mint genuine copy of Lost Dogs just browsing through an online store for less than £100gbp. Think it was about £95 plus postage. Even what I resold it for was probably a good price for someone.