Ketanji Brown Jackson nominated to be first Black woman to sit on Supreme Court

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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    talk to the us congress, as they are the ones that SET THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES for crimes like this.
    Yeah. And then maybe go and complain about all the Trump appointees who also imposed sentences below the guidelines. The same Republicans making a big deal out of this, voted for all of them too. Hypocrites. All of them. 
    Give me a list and I will.

  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    talk to the us congress, as they are the ones that SET THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES for crimes like this.
    You are correct. As you may or may not have noticed, out of these 8, 6 of these are lower than the sentencing guideline. It is not the fault of congress that this judge went lighter than the sentencing guidelines.

    Sex crimes involving children should get no leniency. Ask the victims of sex crimes how they feel about it.

  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
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    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    talk to the us congress, as they are the ones that SET THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES for crimes like this.
    Yeah. And then maybe go and complain about all the Trump appointees who also imposed sentences below the guidelines. The same Republicans making a big deal out of this, voted for all of them too. Hypocrites. All of them. 
    Give me a list and I will.

    No. How about that?

    You want to engage in a disingenuous argument? Well then you go and read some articles and find out for yourself. It's not hard to do. The article I linked to mentions some of them.


    Stop falling for the bullshit. There is more to the story than snappy headlines or out of context soundbites or some random chart some bot on twitter tweeted that gets passed around the right wing ecosphere like candy.....but they know so many of their constituents only bother to consume that much of the story. Dig deeper. Prove them wrong. 

    Godspeed. 
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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    The Juggler said:
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    talk to the us congress, as they are the ones that SET THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES for crimes like this.
    Yeah. And then maybe go and complain about all the Trump appointees who also imposed sentences below the guidelines. The same Republicans making a big deal out of this, voted for all of them too. Hypocrites. All of them. 
    Give me a list and I will.

    No. How about that?

    You want to engage in a disingenuous argument? Well then you go and read some articles and find out for yourself. It's not hard to do. The article I linked to mentions some of them.


    Stop falling for the bullshit. There is more to the story than snappy headlines or out of context soundbites or some random chart some bot on twitter tweeted that gets passed around like candy.....but they know so many of their constituents only bother to consume that much of the story. Dig deeper. Prove them wrong. 

    Godspeed. 
    You're the one that brought it up. I don't care which side you are on. Sex crimes involving minors should be punished to the full extent of the law, NO MATTER WHAT.
  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    The Juggler said:
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    talk to the us congress, as they are the ones that SET THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES for crimes like this.
    Yeah. And then maybe go and complain about all the Trump appointees who also imposed sentences below the guidelines. The same Republicans making a big deal out of this, voted for all of them too. Hypocrites. All of them. 
    Give me a list and I will.

    No. How about that?

    You want to engage in a disingenuous argument? Well then you go and read some articles and find out for yourself. It's not hard to do. The article I linked to mentions some of them.


    Stop falling for the bullshit. There is more to the story than snappy headlines or out of context soundbites or some random chart some bot on twitter tweeted that gets passed around the right wing ecosphere like candy.....but they know so many of their constituents only bother to consume that much of the story. Dig deeper. Prove them wrong. 

    Godspeed. 
    This is a bigger part of the story to those that have been through this kind of trauma.

  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited April 2022
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    talk to the us congress, as they are the ones that SET THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES for crimes like this.
    Yeah. And then maybe go and complain about all the Trump appointees who also imposed sentences below the guidelines. The same Republicans making a big deal out of this, voted for all of them too. Hypocrites. All of them. 
    Give me a list and I will.

    No. How about that?

    You want to engage in a disingenuous argument? Well then you go and read some articles and find out for yourself. It's not hard to do. The article I linked to mentions some of them.


    Stop falling for the bullshit. There is more to the story than snappy headlines or out of context soundbites or some random chart some bot on twitter tweeted that gets passed around like candy.....but they know so many of their constituents only bother to consume that much of the story. Dig deeper. Prove them wrong. 

    Godspeed. 
    You're the one that brought it up. I don't care which side you are on. Sex crimes involving minors should be punished to the full extent of the law, NO MATTER WHAT.

    If everyone was punished to the full extent of the law for these types of crimes that would mean someone who accidentally clicked on one of these videos gets the same sentence as the sicko who actually filmed the video, or the sicko who watched it and others like it hundreds and hundreds of times. That does not make any sense. 




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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    talk to the us congress, as they are the ones that SET THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES for crimes like this.
    Yeah. And then maybe go and complain about all the Trump appointees who also imposed sentences below the guidelines. The same Republicans making a big deal out of this, voted for all of them too. Hypocrites. All of them. 
    Give me a list and I will.

    No. How about that?

    You want to engage in a disingenuous argument? Well then you go and read some articles and find out for yourself. It's not hard to do. The article I linked to mentions some of them.


    Stop falling for the bullshit. There is more to the story than snappy headlines or out of context soundbites or some random chart some bot on twitter tweeted that gets passed around the right wing ecosphere like candy.....but they know so many of their constituents only bother to consume that much of the story. Dig deeper. Prove them wrong. 

    Godspeed. 
    This is a bigger part of the story to those that have been through this kind of trauma.

    Those who have been through it are probably way more informed about it and realize there's a bigger issue here. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Prosecutors will generally push for jail terms to the fullest extent of those possible under law, particularly in the US, where such things are political rather than evidence-based. Defense attorneys will generally push for the lightest sentence possible under the law. It is the job of the judge to listen to the evidence, weigh competing factors and decide on the appropriate sentence. Any judge who is consistently deciding on the harshest possible sentence is not doing their job, because each case has both aggravating and mitigating factors.

    And of course that is totally separate from what evidence suggests reduces risk, which is different than what the public may loudly call for. 

    A quick look at the Hawkins case shows why the sentence was lighter than the recommendation of prosecution, for valid reasons.  
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,385
    edited April 2022
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    talk to the us congress, as they are the ones that SET THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES for crimes like this.
    Yeah. And then maybe go and complain about all the Trump appointees who also imposed sentences below the guidelines. The same Republicans making a big deal out of this, voted for all of them too. Hypocrites. All of them. 
    Give me a list and I will.

    No. How about that?

    You want to engage in a disingenuous argument? Well then you go and read some articles and find out for yourself. It's not hard to do. The article I linked to mentions some of them.


    Stop falling for the bullshit. There is more to the story than snappy headlines or out of context soundbites or some random chart some bot on twitter tweeted that gets passed around the right wing ecosphere like candy.....but they know so many of their constituents only bother to consume that much of the story. Dig deeper. Prove them wrong. 

    Godspeed. 
    This is a bigger part of the story to those that have been through this kind of trauma.

    Those who have been through it are probably way more informed about it and realize there's a bigger issue here. 
    I have been through it so (comment deleted by admin)


    take it from someone who knows from experience. this is out of bounds.

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  • The Juggler
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    edited April 2022
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    talk to the us congress, as they are the ones that SET THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES for crimes like this.
    Yeah. And then maybe go and complain about all the Trump appointees who also imposed sentences below the guidelines. The same Republicans making a big deal out of this, voted for all of them too. Hypocrites. All of them. 
    Give me a list and I will.

    No. How about that?

    You want to engage in a disingenuous argument? Well then you go and read some articles and find out for yourself. It's not hard to do. The article I linked to mentions some of them.


    Stop falling for the bullshit. There is more to the story than snappy headlines or out of context soundbites or some random chart some bot on twitter tweeted that gets passed around the right wing ecosphere like candy.....but they know so many of their constituents only bother to consume that much of the story. Dig deeper. Prove them wrong. 

    Godspeed. 
    This is a bigger part of the story to those that have been through this kind of trauma.

    Those who have been through it are probably way more informed about it and realize there's a bigger issue here. 
    I have been through it so (Comment deleted by admin.)

    I don't appreciate that kind of language.

    Sorry you went through that. But, seriously man....dig deeper than just a random chart making its way through twitter. The problem is not KBJ. Congress can set stiffer penalties if they want to. There's nothing out of the ordinary with how she's ruled. 
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    What did other Judges in the same position give for the same or similar crimes with similar sentencing recommendations? If we're talking about who is qualified to sit on the Supreme Court, a comparison to recommendations without a comparison to peers and how they acted, we're missing an 'apple to apple' comparison.

    Next point - it's been explained numerous times that the sentencing guidelines (on which presumably sentencing recommendations are generated) are dated and flawed, particularly with pornographic content in the era of the internet. This adds more credence to needing to see what Jackson's peers have done on similar cases.

    Next - on giving the full sentencing, think about the impact on the USA's notoriously overcrowded prisons. 

    Finally, the comment about giving full sentencing to any category is a great reason for you not to be a judge, who by definition are meant to be reasonable and nuanced. To me, a fixed sentencing policy from a Judge to me, would be outrageous, unreasonable, and lacking the nuance the job requires.
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  • static111
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    benjs said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    What did other Judges in the same position give for the same or similar crimes with similar sentencing recommendations? If we're talking about who is qualified to sit on the Supreme Court, a comparison to recommendations without a comparison to peers and how they acted, we're missing an 'apple to apple' comparison.

    Next point - it's been explained numerous times that the sentencing guidelines (on which presumably sentencing recommendations are generated) are dated and flawed, particularly with pornographic content in the era of the internet. This adds more credence to needing to see what Jackson's peers have done on similar cases.

    Next - on giving the full sentencing, think about the impact on the USA's notoriously overcrowded prisons. 

    Finally, the comment about giving full sentencing to any category is a great reason for you not to be a judge, who by definition are meant to be reasonable and nuanced. To me, a fixed sentencing policy from a Judge to me, would be outrageous, unreasonable, and lacking the nuance the job requires.
    ...so you're soft on crime?
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  • lindamarie73
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i am sure if she had given the maximum in all cases some people would be upset for her heavy handed sentences...
    Not anyone who has skin in the game who was abused or has a loved one who was abused.  Anyone upset by a maximum sentence for a child abuser really needs to re-evaluate everything about one’s self…
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    edited April 2022
    lindamarie73 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i am sure if she had given the maximum in all cases some people would be upset for her heavy handed sentences...
    Not anyone who has skin in the game who was abused or has a loved one who was abused.  Anyone upset by a maximum sentence for a child abuser really needs to re-evaluate everything about one’s self…
    No one defends child abuse, but you'd think that was what was going on. Generalizations make it easy to say things like this. Also, apparently once they turn 18 it's okay to be abusive and assault them, right? I mean, these same people concerned about the next justice on the bench voted for and supported Trump, but conveniently they have an issue now. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    JB16057 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    talk to the us congress, as they are the ones that SET THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES for crimes like this.
    You are correct. As you may or may not have noticed, out of these 8, 6 of these are lower than the sentencing guideline. It is not the fault of congress that this judge went lighter than the sentencing guidelines.

    Sex crimes involving children should get no leniency. Ask the victims of sex crimes how they feel about it.

    but the congress sets the sentencing guidelines with a host of things that the judges have to consider when sentencing. what do you not understand about that?
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  • brianlux
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    static111 said:
    benjs said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    What did other Judges in the same position give for the same or similar crimes with similar sentencing recommendations? If we're talking about who is qualified to sit on the Supreme Court, a comparison to recommendations without a comparison to peers and how they acted, we're missing an 'apple to apple' comparison.

    Next point - it's been explained numerous times that the sentencing guidelines (on which presumably sentencing recommendations are generated) are dated and flawed, particularly with pornographic content in the era of the internet. This adds more credence to needing to see what Jackson's peers have done on similar cases.

    Next - on giving the full sentencing, think about the impact on the USA's notoriously overcrowded prisons. 

    Finally, the comment about giving full sentencing to any category is a great reason for you not to be a judge, who by definition are meant to be reasonable and nuanced. To me, a fixed sentencing policy from a Judge to me, would be outrageous, unreasonable, and lacking the nuance the job requires.
    ...so you're soft on crime?

    Are you having trouble reading?

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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    benjs said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    What did other Judges in the same position give for the same or similar crimes with similar sentencing recommendations? If we're talking about who is qualified to sit on the Supreme Court, a comparison to recommendations without a comparison to peers and how they acted, we're missing an 'apple to apple' comparison.

    Next point - it's been explained numerous times that the sentencing guidelines (on which presumably sentencing recommendations are generated) are dated and flawed, particularly with pornographic content in the era of the internet. This adds more credence to needing to see what Jackson's peers have done on similar cases.

    Next - on giving the full sentencing, think about the impact on the USA's notoriously overcrowded prisons. 

    Finally, the comment about giving full sentencing to any category is a great reason for you not to be a judge, who by definition are meant to be reasonable and nuanced. To me, a fixed sentencing policy from a Judge to me, would be outrageous, unreasonable, and lacking the nuance the job requires.
    ...so you're soft on crime?

    Are you having trouble reading?

    static is being sarcastic brian
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    benjs said:
    JB16057 said:

    I take issues with any judge that doesn't give the full sentencing to any child porn offender. I'm not going to call everyone a pro pedophile but that doesn't mean her record shouldn't be looked at. She's had 14 child porn cases in front of her. The 8 listed above were ones that she went lighter on. Going light on 8 of 14 doesn't have the best optics. Say what you want but then ask victims of these crimes how they feel.
    What did other Judges in the same position give for the same or similar crimes with similar sentencing recommendations? If we're talking about who is qualified to sit on the Supreme Court, a comparison to recommendations without a comparison to peers and how they acted, we're missing an 'apple to apple' comparison.

    Next point - it's been explained numerous times that the sentencing guidelines (on which presumably sentencing recommendations are generated) are dated and flawed, particularly with pornographic content in the era of the internet. This adds more credence to needing to see what Jackson's peers have done on similar cases.

    Next - on giving the full sentencing, think about the impact on the USA's notoriously overcrowded prisons. 

    Finally, the comment about giving full sentencing to any category is a great reason for you not to be a judge, who by definition are meant to be reasonable and nuanced. To me, a fixed sentencing policy from a Judge to me, would be outrageous, unreasonable, and lacking the nuance the job requires.
    ...so you're soft on crime?

    Are you having trouble reading?

    static is being sarcastic brian

    Oops, sorry static!
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,410
    tbergs said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i am sure if she had given the maximum in all cases some people would be upset for her heavy handed sentences...
    Not anyone who has skin in the game who was abused or has a loved one who was abused.  Anyone upset by a maximum sentence for a child abuser really needs to re-evaluate everything about one’s self…
    No one defends child abuse, but you'd think that was what was going on. Generalizations make it easy to say things like this. Also, apparently once they turn 18 it's okay to be abusive and assault them, right? I mean, these same people concerned about the next justice on the bench voted for and supported Trump, but conveniently they have an issue now. 
    The people who are grasping at anything minutely negative about KBJ are the same people who don't care about tfg "grabbing them by the pu$$y" or matt gaetz trafficking a 17 yr old, or gym jordan ignoring sexual assaults, or any of the QtRUmplican politicians who regularly break laws.


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